Are restrictions on meeting with people justified?

[mattyman]

It's important to consider where excess deaths have occurred due to covid 19

• Care homes

• Older (60+) people in the workforce without the option to work from home

• People living in multi-generation households

The truth is there's better ways of protecting them from infection that don't involve shutting down society. All it takes is a bit of imagination.

[yick]

It's important to consider where excess deaths have occurred due to covid 19

• Care homes

• Older (60+) people in the workforce without the option to work from home

• People living in multi-generation households

The truth is there's better ways of protecting them from infection that don't involve shutting down society. All it takes is a bit of imagination.

So what? They're not the ones SPREADING it.

It's simple. You have to stop the spreaders.

Now we have a vaccine, we now have a way forward - don't tell me - you won't be taking it.

[mattyman]

RE
The people listed are people that need protection
"It's simple. You have to stop the spreaders."
There's better ways of protecting these segments than restricting freedom of movement, e.g. older/c;inically-vulnerable should get croceries/medicines delivered, they shold avoid public transport where possible, should hav the option to book a seat with distancing etc.

Dear Yick, why are you so fanatical about lockdowns (movement restrictions, restrictions on meeting people, shutting-down social venues). I can only conclude you're in love with your tv and the mainstream news. It's very clear you haven't listened to anything I've said on both threads, this one and the one on facts of covid.

[yick]

RE
The people listed are people that need protection
"It's simple. You have to stop the spreaders."
There's better ways of protecting these segments than restricting freedom of movement, e.g. older/c;inically-vulnerable should get croceries/medicines delivered, they shold avoid public transport where possible, should hav the option to book a seat with distancing etc.

Dear Yick, why are you so fanatical about lockdowns (movement restrictions, restrictions on meeting people, shutting-down social venues). I can only conclude you're in love with your tv and the mainstream news. It's very clear you haven't listened to anything I've said on both threads, this one and the one on facts of covid.

That's right - they need protection from the people spreading it - therefore - the spreaders need to be quarantined.

It isn't hard is it? Like any virus or disease - it is the spreader of the virus/disease that needs to be cured and have preventive measures took against them.

Restricting 'Freedom of Movement' works - it worked in China, it worked in Japan, South Korea, Mongolia - which is why none of those countries have a 73000 death toll. I understand you DON'T want to do it but this is why our country has the death rate it has, because of the weakest link.

You don't care about anyone but yourself - you're selfish - but you're in good company - which is why there are 73000 people dead where you are (and rising...)

[mattyman]

Sir, I think you'll be thinking more rationally when you're sober and had a good sleep. I'm more than happy to continue this conversation when sober (the state that I was in when started).

Accusations of selfishness. Only quoting total number of deaths from covid and leaving out other causes of death (heart disease, cancers, dementia; context?). Golly. This is the usual tactic of people who lose an argument. Look at the text size mine vs. yours, you're clearly the loser of the argument.

I'd advise you to sober up and give other member the opportunity to contribute to this discussion.

[yick]

Sir, I think you'll be thinking more rationally when you're sober and had a good sleep. I'm more than happy to continue this conversation when sober (the state that I was in when started).

Accusations of selfishness. Only quoting total number of deaths from covid and leaving out other causes of death (heart disease, cancers, dementia; context?). Golly. This is the usual tactic of people who lose an argument. Look at the text size mine vs. yours, you're clearly the loser of the argument.

I'd advise you to sober up and give other member the opportunity to contribute to this discussion.

It is midday here in China - I have a job - you're the bum on the dole who is arguing this crap at 4 am - not me.

Instead of worrying about such things - have you thought about going back to school or getting a job? You have been on this site for years but you are still back in England and unhappy. Sort your own life out before you think you're an authority to sort anything else out.

I bet you voted for Brexit too.

[mattyman]

^Guys, this is the usual shut-downs you'll get from a troll; name-callung, argumentum ad-hominem. Ignore that garbage.

I don't know this guy, he doesn't like my opinions on lockdowns. There's better ways to behave if you don't like someone's opinion.

[yick]

^Guys, this is the usual shut-downs you'll get from a troll; name-callung, argumentum ad-hominem. Ignore that garbage.

I don't know this guy, he doesn't like my opinions on lockdowns. There's better ways to behave if you don't like someone's opinion.

Well, I gave you a country that has done lockdowns and have had low death rates - Singapore - but you don't like those numbers because it doesn't align to your clueless world view.

And you have insulted me - but with the constant victim rhetoric that makes up your posting history, you're the victim now like you are the victim of COVID because it has stopped you from going to Armenia.

[mattyman]

All you've done sir is derailed my thread.

As I will keep saying, look at other countries besides Singapore. You can't base your sample on just one country.

You say you've had a bad experience of covid? May I suggest you start a thread on that rather than hurl abuse at me and derail my thread?

[yick]

All you've done sir is derailed my thread.

As I will keep saying, look at other countries besides Singapore. You can't base your sample on just one country.

You say you've had a bad experience of covid? May I suggest you start a thread on that rather than hurl abuse at me and derail my thread?

Come on! Your thread was a bag of shite! And nothing to do with 'happier abroad'

What's wrong with Singapore? Or Mongolia? Where one person died, or South Korea where 900 people died?

It's about people and culture - they complied with the lockdown because they believe in a greater good - they aren't selfish regards this. Lockdown works if people actually do it, if they don't then it doesn't.

And if you don't want abuse thrown at you then don't throw it at me.

[mattyman]

You've ignored everything on the OP. My thread was everything about HA, getting fundamentsl freedoms back.

Anyway, your replies are recorded in a paper notebook. Don't troll my posts again in this manner. Is that clear?

[yick]

You've ignored everything on the OP. My thread was everything about HA, getting fundamentsl freedoms back.

Anyway, your replies are recorded in a paper notebook. Don't troll my posts again in this manner. Is that clear?

Because your OP is just utter shite.

You have yet to go abroad in what... nine years, this aint stopped you, you're lack of anything has stopped you.

[mattyman]

You're welcome to make a thread re 'what's stopped me'. Making insults is not acceptable and will get you banned. Do I make this loud and clear? Making insults is not exercising right to free speech.

Are you Paulo Alto Guy?

[yick]

You're welcome to make a thread re 'what's stopped me'. Making insults is not acceptable and will get you banned. Do I make this loud and clear? Making insults is not exercising right to free speech.

Are you Paulo Alto Guy?

wah wah wah... victim, you're always the victim.

Thailand - country with strict lockdown - 61 deaths

Lockdowns work.

[mattyman]

I hope everyone's had a lesson of how lockdown fanatics argue their point, they can't provide any evidence and data to back-up their claims and have to resort to insults and ad-hominem.

People are very welcome to have a different opinion to me. Different viewpoints are welcome. There's no need to resort to insults and ad-hominem attacks, that's not how adults deal with differences in opinion. If it carries on my patiences is going to run low. Is that clear?