Was Roosh right about American women and anti-intellectualism?

[jamesbond]

This idea that you need to "game" women is only true in Anglo countries. Fortunately, in most countries "game" is not needed to meet women. The PUA industry only exists in english speaking countries for a reason.

[Outcast9428]

American women have become more immature than ever. Look at social media such as Tik Tok. You have adult women, in some cases middle aged, doing stupid dances and acting like immature teenagers. It's embarrassing. It's amazing that in the west people shame immature men for being "manchilds" but you never hear anyone shaming these "womenchilds". As a result they never fully grow up to be adults and many of them are now are placed in powerful positions in society, which is why the U.S. is becoming such a dysfunctional laughing stock.

Some of the dances are stupid, but your blind as hell if you think only American females are on tiktok doing that. There are Asian women and women globally from other countries that be on tiktok doing the same stuff the American women are doing because I use to see people posting compilations of women from Asia doing the same dumbass dancing on there. Don't know why you people always feel the need to single out American women like women everywhere else in the world don't possess the same kind of attention whorish traits.
If a woman has access to cellphones, the internet, and the same websites Western women use, they are going to be using the same sites themselves for the same reasons. That's like saying only Western women use Onlyfans and only Western males simp for their content but some women made youtube videos and even they admitted that get foreign men paying for their content. Everybody has an Onlyfans including Chinese people, all of them on there doing the same stuff Westerners are on there doing. Foreign women are all over Instagram too.

God I am so f***ing sick of this “everywhere is the same” mentality. Y’all are the type of people who will point at one or two girls they found on Instagram and be like “see! Things are just as bad over there as it is here!”

It’s like you guys are incapable of fathoming that everybody is simply saying ITS LESS COMMON. Not that nobody does it. But there is a lot less of it.

Less common to me is nothing but a soft word for bullshit. I don't sugarcoat anything, and I'm not on here to kiss the foreign worlds ass either. I know what I see and Tiktok, Onlyfans, Instagram is full of women from other countries, not just the U.S. some of you are so damn blind that it's the only nation you can find shit bad about and pick on while neglecting how shitty some of these other countries are and I'm not talking about Western countries only. And tiktok, Onlyfans is full of women from everywhere else than just having one or two. I guess next you'll be saying only a few foreign women do pornographic movies when every country has a huge population of their own women involved in it and the laws don't mean shit when people are still filming and recording it. India made porn illegal but there is still plenty of Indians making porn in India.

Russia doesn't even promote porn yet if you typed in Russian porn a huge f***ing list of Russian women involved with porn will show up showing Russian women. So what makes you think it;s only Western women guilty of being on tiktok, and Onlyfans? Because you people want to believe in this false sense that foreign women are perfect and have no flaws. That's just your inner hate of America making you believe in this garbage. America is also a country full of people from other parts of the world, I've met plenty of Russians up here, Hmong, Samoans, and Indians. Like I said, no one is perfect.
Every country on earth has flaws, and so do its people. I have enough experience to know that women are women no matter what part of the world they are from. And tiktok, Onlyfans has made it just as easy as owning a cellphone for women all over the world to be hooked to getting attention from those applications. That's why when I used this Penpal site, almost every single foreign woman on those sites no matter what part of the world they were from. They denied and rejected men constantly.

They were just as uppity and stuck up like all the Western women some of you crap on too. And guess what? They outnumbered American women on that penpal platform, yet none of them gave any man the time of day. Attractive women in any country is going to have an attitude if they start getting a lot of attention. I like the articles that actually expose people that BS about these foreign nations and their women being better. Especially by extremely experienced men that tell it like it is. My favorite one are the articles that tell the truth about Russian women and how dumb men are that go around assuming that all Asian women are passive. And Latin America isn't paradise, I'm looking at the paradise they built in my state of California. I find it hilarious how people put Latin America on a pedestal when places like El Salvador are far from being a paradise of anything. Some of you guys go to a few nice parts in these countries and just outright assume they are superior. I know America is crap, and I know America have garbage women. But at the same time I'm not going to sit here and front like half the world is Heaven on earth just because I hate this damn country.

You’re getting your opinion of foreign women from the fact that they exist on OnlyFans, Tik Tok or whatever without considering what a tiny fraction of women actually use these sites. Who cares if 1 out of 1,000 women in Russia did porn? It’s such a tiny f***ing number that it’s basically meaningless.

In the Philippines, 32% of their population doesn’t even have access to the internet at all yet you’re acting like some random chicks you met on the internet represent the whole country.

Behavior is different depending on the country, hell it’s different even from state to state. I can feel a huge difference just talking to girls from Virginia compared to girls from Florida compared to girls from Alabama. Your whole “women are women no matter the country” is a giant lump of bullshit. If that were true then why does 50% of the UK never marry whereas only 10% of the Philippines never marries?

I had a Japanese girl literally walk up to me, ask me for directions, get my phone number, message me and then ask me out on a date. She’s the only girl I’ve ever met from Japan and also the only girl who has ever done that (well my ex girlfriend kind of did that too in a more subtle way but once again she’s Asian).

In the Philippines and Thailand I feel like most of the never married group of people are just gay. The percentage of people there who truly experience life long rejection is a much smaller percentage of the population then in European countries or the US.

[WilliamSmith]

Nothing against you sir (or the other guy Mr Peabody who I've seen contributing some quality posts elsewhere), but what you wrote her about PUA/seduction stuff only selling (or working / being in demand) in Anglo countries is completely dead wrong (though part of the picture is to differentiate where it's needed and in-demand vs where it sells):
It is true you can say you don't need it to just get some women in a foreign country where it's less frustrating for any given MGTOW than where he came from, but saying it doesn't work makes no sense because it's just a learnable skill with tons of different contributors writing about their approach, like martial arts or painting or lots of other learnable skills.

PUA stuff only sells in Anglo countries and no where else in the world.

Your right, you don't need PUA crap with Latin American women or any other women outside of english speaking countries. Women in continental Europe, South America and Asian countries don't want a guy who is into "Pickup artist" stuff, they want a normal guy.

These PUA artists only sell their courses and seminars in the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These are the only places in the world where this stuff sells.

So, for one thing, saying it only sells or works in Anglo countries is totally objectively wrong and it's in demand all over the world:

Tons of Latinos are interested in this stuff bigtime too because I've talked with them about it + since I started even cursory Spanish language study I found lots of material translated into Spanish, ranging for PUA stuff to seduction and tantric sex books, good stuff. As a broad generalization it's true that many (not necessarily most, but many) Latinos are less emasculated and clueless about women and sex then emasculated weak whites and Asians (or countries full of anti-sexual religious nutcases, a whole other can of worms). So sometimes Latinos pick up more natural "knowhow" without having to study it consciously, but certainly not all of them are that way, and lots of them are interested in it to learn just like men are interested in studying learnable skills like boxing, martial arts, playing cards, etc. I've also seen some Latinos (a Brazilian, for example) who started out as an emotionally train wrecked monogamy hodler going through the typical BS of being devastated from putting his emotional investment into one chick who then lost interest in him and dumped him, and he was all f***ed up until he learned it (after which his woman problems were solved).

Talking about how it's not in demand in continental Europe is even more insanely off the mark:
Western and to some degree Norther Europeans are the most disastrously emasculated and weak group of men whose women have also become among the easiest for foreigners to lay precisely because the men have become so unmasculine, feminized, and politically correct, which is why foreigners from pretty much any more masculine area with a bit of PUA/seduction knowhow have been able to easily lay their chicks like crazy.
I also recall reading the reports of enthusiastic wussy Europeans who were hugely enthused on learning some PUA stuff. I even remember a European from that book "The Game" going off about how awesome it was because it took him from a hopelessly frustrated chump to a guy excited about using his new skills, and he compared how each time he'd learn some new technique then it was exciting like having a new weapon or spell in an RPG, LOL. That was what he himself compared it to.

The Asians are the other ones who probably need it the most, because even though I like their cultures the most in a lot ways, tons of them have become soft, unmasculine and weak in similar ways to the Europeans (though the Europeans are even worse off because most Asian countries aren't subverted by openly anti-European elements in their own countries, though Japan is going that way, but that's a side topic):

There's an entire Japanese PUA scene (軟派, in kana: なんぱ nanpa they call it), i.e. for Japanese natives in Japanese (not just gaijins chasing Japanese women).

Of course, it wouldn't sell in Chinese majority areas because they'll just steal and pirate everything and then fill the net with pirate course selling web sites try to re-sell pirated versions of other peoples' stuff, LOL, but they still need to learn from it even if they don't pay for it.

I never paid for anything in the past either, as it happens (unless you count used books and James Bond DVDs and a handful of other DVDs where you could learn some good stuff from actors): The material accumulated from the 80s-90s up to early 2000s era was much better than anything I've seen in modern times so far. The only stuff I saw that struck me as solid so far was that Caleb Jones who seems to be solid enough and is one of the few who wrote a book about handling multiple women in open relationships, even though I still haven't read that yet. (Though I think he has been around since the old days when the material was less of a bunch of bullshit like this complete garbage newer wave of fixation on "SMV" and "men's rights" whining.)

My overall point: Wimpy feminized Europeans and Asians need PUA/seduction stuff the most, and they both translate foreign stuff and have their own scenes a lot of times in their native languages. Latinos are also into it, and many need it, and again they both translate and have Spanish only stuff.
Not sure about black Africans and Caribbeans (Jamaicans, for example) who often seem to have a better instinct for just going after the women aggressively without having to learn knowhow for that part, but some of them certainly need it too, and also a lot of guys who do OK on approaches also have problems keeping the chicks they actually want around (LOL), so everyone can learn from it.
And it sells everywhere, even though people in many developing areas and Chinese areas are more likely to steal everything from someone else from another country and republish pirated versions or translated versions into their own language, rather than actually pay foreigners for it.

[kangarunner]

Nothing against you sir (or the other guy Mr Peabody who I've seen contributing some quality posts elsewhere), but what you wrote her about PUA/seduction stuff only selling (or working / being in demand) in Anglo countries is completely dead wrong (though part of the picture is to differentiate where it's needed and in-demand vs where it sells):
It is true you can say you don't need it to just get some women in a foreign country where it's less frustrating for any given MGTOW than where he came from, but saying it doesn't work makes no sense because it's just a learnable skill with tons of different contributors writing about their approach, like martial arts or painting or lots of other learnable skills.

PUA stuff only sells in Anglo countries and no where else in the world.

Your right, you don't need PUA crap with Latin American women or any other women outside of english speaking countries. Women in continental Europe, South America and Asian countries don't want a guy who is into "Pickup artist" stuff, they want a normal guy.

These PUA artists only sell their courses and seminars in the UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These are the only places in the world where this stuff sells.

So, for one thing, saying it only sells or works in Anglo countries is totally objectively wrong and it's in demand all over the world:

Tons of Latinos are interested in this stuff bigtime too because I've talked with them about it + since I started even cursory Spanish language study I found lots of material translated into Spanish, ranging for PUA stuff to seduction and tantric sex books, good stuff. As a broad generalization it's true that many (not necessarily most, but many) Latinos are less emasculated and clueless about women and sex then emasculated weak whites and Asians (or countries full of anti-sexual religious nutcases, a whole other can of worms). So sometimes Latinos pick up more natural "knowhow" without having to study it consciously, but certainly not all of them are that way, and lots of them are interested in it to learn just like men are interested in studying learnable skills like boxing, martial arts, playing cards, etc. I've also seen some Latinos (a Brazilian, for example) who started out as an emotionally train wrecked monogamy hodler going through the typical BS of being devastated from putting his emotional investment into one chick who then lost interest in him and dumped him, and he was all f***ed up until he learned it (after which his woman problems were solved).

Talking about how it's not in demand in continental Europe is even more insanely off the mark:
Western and to some degree Norther Europeans are the most disastrously emasculated and weak group of men whose women have also become among the easiest for foreigners to lay precisely because the men have become so unmasculine, feminized, and politically correct, which is why foreigners from pretty much any more masculine area with a bit of PUA/seduction knowhow have been able to easily lay their chicks like crazy.
I also recall reading the reports of enthusiastic wussy Europeans who were hugely enthused on learning some PUA stuff. I even remember a European from that book "The Game" going off about how awesome it was because it took him from a hopelessly frustrated chump to a guy excited about using his new skills, and he compared how each time he'd learn some new technique then it was exciting like having a new weapon or spell in an RPG, LOL. That was what he himself compared it to.

The Asians are the other ones who probably need it the most, because even though I like their cultures the most in a lot ways, tons of them have become soft, unmasculine and weak in similar ways to the Europeans (though the Europeans are even worse off because most Asian countries aren't subverted by openly anti-European elements in their own countries, though Japan is going that way, but that's a side topic):

There's an entire Japanese PUA scene (軟派, in kana: なんぱ nanpa they call it), i.e. for Japanese natives in Japanese (not just gaijins chasing Japanese women).

Of course, it wouldn't sell in Chinese majority areas because they'll just steal and pirate everything and then fill the net with pirate course selling web sites try to re-sell pirated versions of other peoples' stuff, LOL, but they still need to learn from it even if they don't pay for it.

I never paid for anything in the past either, as it happens (unless you count used books and James Bond DVDs and a handful of other DVDs where you could learn some good stuff from actors): The material accumulated from the 80s-90s up to early 2000s era was much better than anything I've seen in modern times so far. The only stuff I saw that struck me as solid so far was that Caleb Jones who seems to be solid enough and is one of the few who wrote a book about handling multiple women in open relationships, even though I still haven't read that yet. (Though I think he has been around since the old days when the material was less of a bunch of bullshit like this complete garbage newer wave of fixation on "SMV" and "men's rights" whining.)

My overall point: Wimpy feminized Europeans and Asians need PUA/seduction stuff the most, and they both translate foreign stuff and have their own scenes a lot of times in their native languages. Latinos are also into it, and many need it, and again they both translate and have Spanish only stuff.
Not sure about black Africans and Caribbeans (Jamaicans, for example) who often seem to have a better instinct for just going after the women aggressively without having to learn knowhow for that part, but some of them certainly need it too, and also a lot of guys who do OK on approaches also have problems keeping the chicks they actually want around (LOL), so everyone can learn from it.
And it sells everywhere, even though people in many developing areas and Chinese areas are more likely to steal everything from someone else from another country and republish pirated versions or translated versions into their own language, rather than actually pay foreigners for it.

I have to comment on this. First of all, forget PUA tactics or techniques or ninja skills. Yes I agree with you that men all over the world want to learn. But what they truly want is to learn how a woman's brain thinks and feels. People who need to learn this shit are not weak men or strong men but men who are clueless about women in general. What most inexperienced guys need is an older, more experienced mentor who already has been there and done that and can offer the black belt knowledge of women to the student.

The best guy I know on this is Hans Comyn. I've heard him say that there is no need for PUA tactics and methods because nature has already made the rules for attraction between men and women. Let nature do its thing. Meaning if a woman doesn't feel chemistry with you in the first 2 minutes of talking with her, then there is no PUA tactic or method that will MAKE her want to f**k.

I've also heard him say that the BEST....yes you heard that right, "the best" thing you can do to have more success with women is not to learn PUA tactics or methods, but to create abundance in your dating options. This is where we all agree to physically go to places in the world where you have more dating options and where you can find the women you truly want.

As far what PUA teaches, YES, I do think there are general concepts that are very useful to know and have a grip on. For example, shit such as "push / pull", "chemistry", "banter", understanding a woman's body language (to indicate if she's into your or NOT into you).

Honestly, the best thing you can do to understand women is to have tons of experience with many of them where you try and fail and learn from what you did wrong. Another thing is to just be yourself, be cool, calm, confident, and don't take going on a date too seriously. Also, never look needy at all. It's a total turn off to women. Behave in a way that you can get tons of women if you wanted. And also, don't chase them too much because that turns them away too. A few Vietnamese and Thai stunners got away from me because I chased them too hard.

There's one method I use now on every date I go on. Basically, I watch the hoe's body language towards me within the FIRST 2 MINUTES to see if she's interested / chemistry. If she's not, then I walk the f**k out. Another thing I'll do is when I go on a date, I never have her sit in front of me, I go to some coffee place where she sits next to me. That way I can do the "hand on the knee" test. If I put my hand on her knee and she lets me and she's comfortable with it, then she's down to f**k. But if she pushes my hand away, then she's not and I walk the f**k out and never talk to her again.

"A key that can open many locks is a good key. But a lock that can be opened by many keys is a bad lock."

[MrMan]

Hey guys,

This is not to "bash American women." Instead, its an observation I've made based on what Roosh and his friends would write.

I used to read Roosh's and his entourage posts. I remember Roosh said that one striking difference he found in American women and women from some countries he visited, was anti-intellecturalism.

He said in American women wanted more of a "fun meathead" type of guy. Meanwhile, in many other countries that he visited women would respect a man who showed education and intelligence.

For instance, he said one of his friends went on a trip to Cancun and women respected him since he was educated and was talking to them about what he learned about Spanish culture.

Meanwhile, he said one of his students would approach American women and the women would shoot him down if he couldn't be "flirty and funny" or how Roosh called it, "A talking clown," .

What do you guys think?

Was this back when Roosh was a pickup artist?

It could be the types of girls in whatever venues he was in-- bars, etc. went for meathead types. I think was pretty common in high school for girls to rank boys according to social pecking order to some degree. With cheerleaders, football players had some sort of status. And plenty of women would consider NFL, NBA, athletes to have status. Some women go for muscular firemen, too. Of course, a man doesn't have to be a meathead to be in these roles, but some women go for the physically strong man.

Even in a society that isn't that highly socially stratified like the US, don't you think girls with college degrees usually prefer men with college degrees? Education and intelligence is a plus if a woman values that.

[WilliamSmith]

@kangarunner some interesting points you made there, thank you.
American females pushed alcohol on my yet again tonight so I might only be partly coherent in my responses.
I have some differences in perspective, some in philosophy, but the main difference of opinion I keep seeing in talking with other guys about "PUA" mainly rides on how lots of guys seem to have something over-specific in mind when they define "PUA/seduction" techniques, but I only mean broadly: Basic skills and knowhow with dealing with women in a sexual/romantic context, so you can have a set of principles and techniques similar to what you want to internalize when you step into a boxing ring, but in this case to get out there and go get the women, find the ones who actually like you (so at least in their "maybe" or "yes" categories from the start), and how to escalate enough to either get laid or at least excite them, so if it's a more traditional relationship you're after then the women at least think they've scored themselves a real man who knows how to go take what he wants. Many of us have at least some instinct for some of this stuff in part, but a lot of guys are totally clueless about it (and I'm not picking on them, but we are literally living in the edge of "incels," non-existent "non-binary" gender identities, and men putting on women's clothing in public, as well as MGTOW), so it does help those types to study PUA stuff a lot of times, and many have gone on to become successful with women.

I have to comment on this. First of all, forget PUA tactics or techniques or ninja skills. Yes I agree with you that men all over the world want to learn. But what they truly want is to learn how a woman's brain thinks and feels. People who need to learn this shit are not weak men or strong men but men who are clueless about women in general.

If you had to choose between the two then I think fundamentals of primal masculinity and learning female biology and psychology to understand what women tend to crave in a man on a near universal basis is better than more superficial PUA techniques (not sure what "ninja skills" is, might be a term from you younger gents), but can't agree that you should just forget PUA tactics or techniques: The literature is quite broad and isn't merely a bunch of gimmicky superficial tricks and canned routines, but even some of those like having a variety of relatively smooth ways to open conversations with women and topics that can evoke certain positive emotional/physiological states in them to make the women happier as you converse are certainly worth knowing, then there's the "escalation" stuff where many guys who claim you just need to "be yourself" with ordinary social skills get completely derailed because they don't look for or create chances to get more hands on with the women. (You brought this up yourself with your "knee test," which I totally agree with as one of many learnable skills you can learn how to use to find the women who already like you, but that's proving my point: Many guys would never even have thought of that type of thing unless they'd read and learned about it in PUA/seduction literature, or modern equivalent.)

Wanting to learn how a women's brains and biology works (as well as more "archetypal" stuff) also isn't necessarily for men who are clueless about women: After all, many naturals who have a good algorithmic or instinctual approach to getting laid a lot don't know anything about those subjects either. I agree wanting to learn about women has nothing to do with weak vs strong men: Strong men who can get laid easy based on raw masculinity earlier in life are also sometimes some of the most clueless about this subject, and may even end up in even worse devastating post-monogamy trainwrecks later in life than the goofballs (not intended as an insult, more a term of endearment) who learn through arduous study and effort via the PUA scene, and end up staying good with women for a lifetime because of having a better foundation of knowledge.

What most inexperienced guys need is an older, more experienced mentor who already has been there and done that and can offer the black belt knowledge of women to the student.

Fair enough in theory, but I've never seen any such mentor option in my entire life (guys who get laid a lot, yes, but guys who actually know enough to qualify to be a "mentor" and/or are willing to be in some kind of a mentor role, never), so that's exactly why some of us looked into this subject to begin with: To learn from experienced veteran men who know what they're doing and see what they've written, and how they validate that in open discussion with other men with similar interests. The PUA scene is a hodgepodge of humorous personalities IMO, and it's better to try to get a grasp of unifying principles and understand what worked for a lot of divergent personality types.
Of course, if you were actually fortunate enough to find some mentor, great, but how many young men can actually find that? That's why I think the literature is good, because if you just get it for free or dirt-cheap you don't need to put any trust in mentors who might be scammers (or maybe not, but their advice might still not suit you even if you shelled out for some kind of seminar or consulting fees, which I've never done and it sounds iffy to me).

The best guy I know on this is Hans Comyn. I've heard him say that there is no need for PUA tactics and methods because nature has already made the rules for attraction between men and women. Let nature do its thing. Meaning if a woman doesn't feel chemistry with you in the first 2 minutes of talking with her, then there is no PUA tactic or method that will MAKE her want to f**k.

I'll look up this Comyn you recommended (never heard of him before but I don't know any names that weren't from decades earlier). I agree with the second part strongly: Let nature do its thing, look for indications of interest up front ideally, but otherwise enough chemistry in the first few minutes or so to get a strong idea if you're at least in the "yes" or at worst "maybe" category with her.
"Making her want to !@#$" if she isn't even interested in you definitely isn't anything I had in mind in putting in a good word for reading the PUA/seduction literature though! I agree you shouldn't waste time pursuing uninterested women (but there again, that's something some guys don't even understand until they do in fact get into PUA/seduction literature or media). I was just talking about "knowhow" for making it easier for a man to go out after the women and treat is as a learnable and enjoyable skill.

I've also heard him say that the BEST....yes you heard that right, "the best" thing you can do to have more success with women is not to learn PUA tactics or methods, but to create abundance in your dating options. This is where we all agree to physically go to places in the world where you have more dating options and where you can find the women you truly want.
As far what PUA teaches, YES, I do think there are general concepts that are very useful to know and have a grip on. For example, shit such as "push / pull", "chemistry", "banter", understanding a woman's body language (to indicate if she's into your or NOT into you).

Definitely: The stuff you're talking about here about even being able to converse with women smoothly and read women's body language and reactions to you and understand a lot of things from their point of view are all topics a lot of guys are literally clueless about (through no fault of their own necessarily though, just inexperience a lot of times), so that's precisely why they actually can learn a lot about this stuff from PUA literature alone even if you don't have any kind of help from veteran ladies' men.....

Honestly, the best thing you can do to understand women is to have tons of experience with many of them where you try and fail and learn from what you did wrong. Another thing is to just be yourself, be cool, calm, confident, and don't take going on a date too seriously. Also, never look needy at all. It's a total turn off to women. Behave in a way that you can get tons of women if you wanted. And also, don't chase them too much because that turns them away too. A few Vietnamese and Thai stunners got away from me because I chased them too hard.

100% agree on the parts I bolded because that's 100% rock-solid advice, but it's proving my point again: Tons of guys never even learn to think like what you just described until after they read PUA stuff to learn these important principles. Guys who naturally understand this can scoff at it if they want to pick on guys who lack natural instincts, but the fact there's so many "incels" talking complete BS about "SMV" or over-politicizing everything about scoring with women proves the point that the PUA stuff to actually learn to think like what you just described is something that can help frustrated men.
I don't really agree on the part about letting your experience and analyzing it though, for this reason: Tons of men are very cerebral and analytical and can come to logical conclusions based on their experience, yet fully logical conclusions are sometimes still wildly off the mark or even dead wrong. That's where a lot of the worst disinfo in the contemporary scene comes from (SMV being my personal most disliked theme, but not the only one).
So my view is that it's fun to read lots of PUA/seduction stuff from numerous time periods (and my own personal thing for bodice ripper romance novels which is even better), so you have some context learning from hundreds of other veteran ladies' men's experience.

I agree it's a good idea to relocate (partly because I think USSA is a sinking titanic for other reasons than being as critical of American women as many MGTOW types), but some of us who are into travel and expat stuff still have built what successes we have with American women only so far (or foreign women who came in here for study or immigration, but I don't personally think all the American born ones are worse than the foreign ones, it depends). And the best PUA/seduction stuff works on all women including American ones.

There's one method I use now on every date I go on. Basically, I watch the hoe's body language towards me within the FIRST 2 MINUTES to see if she's interested / chemistry. If she's not, then I walk the f**k out. Another thing I'll do is when I go on a date, I never have her sit in front of me, I go to some coffee place where she sits next to me. That way I can do the "hand on the knee" test. If I put my hand on her knee and she lets me and she's comfortable with it, then she's down to f**k. But if she pushes my hand away, then she's not and I walk the f**k out and never talk to her again.

"A key that can open many locks is a good key. But a lock that can be opened by many keys is a bad lock."

LOL, you call potentially nice girls you meet even in other non-American countries "hoes?" Do I detect a note of cynicism here?
I am way more open to romance and less cynical than that myself, and never call women "hoes," but otherwise you're proving my point by talking about those solid basic techniques: You and I both look for indications of interest from women or else don't waste any time going further with those particular women. Unless it was just a friendly conversation you might otherwise have with any other human being, but I couldn't agree more you should never waste time on sexual pursuit of women who don't give you indications of interest or "yes" signals.
And the "knee test" concept to make sure she's comfortable with some physical escalation is gold, but yet again this is proving my point: Most of us learn the "parameters" of what works well to get escalation going by studying PUA/seduction stuff or we wouldn't necessarily have figured it out to begin with.
Unlike our friend @Outcast9428 who thinks going for quick lays is inherently "degenerate," I don't think it's that bad as long as the girls are happy about it and not being mistreated, but I'll also be the Pollyanna here to observe that all these techniques work to find the women who actually like you, so could be used just as effectively for the start of a much more conservative and traditional romantic relationship as well, if a leaner is more in the tradpill camp like some of the guys on here who want a monogamous wife and so on.

[Mew6ix]

The dumbing down of America does coincide with the rise of feminism.

For example: These days, the average reader reads at a Grade Six level. It's even lower for women magazines, like Grade 3 or 4.

Anyone who studies journalism or content writing knows that the bar is set lower and lower.

In the future, because of dumb American women, our language will only consists of sounds when the modern American woman is being f***ed in the ass by Tyrone.