should beta and omega males become ladyboys???

[CaptainSkelebob]

As for the topic at hand, I really don't see what is so bad about some guys dating or sleeping with Tgurls. Aren't Tgurls people too? Don't they deserve love and romance? I don't see how a man going with a Tgurl harms anybody.

Consider the following:

There is a subset of Tgurls who occur in the natural world regardless of culture or epoch. They are sexual inverts from birth and display effeminate behavior from early childhood. Even modern brain scans have shown that some gays and transformers have partially feminized brains even before any HRT. Such true Tgurls are a natural phenomenon and exist whether people like it or not. Moreover, they are different from the autogynephilic fetishists and the gender-fluid freaks who heavily populate the various LGBT and "woke" movements of today.

Some true Tgurls are far more attractive than many women. Some of them look exactly like or almost like real women and possess all of the feminine attractors that attract any heterosexual male.

Butt-fcuking a pre-op Tgurl is no worse than butt-fcuking a woman if you really think about it (I personally find all anal sex utterly gross). I wouldn't think any less of a man who butt-fcuked a pre-op Tgurl than I would of a man who butt-fcuked a woman. It's still the same act of butt-fcuking.

Some Tgurls get sex change operations and therefore have a post-op Tgurl pvssy. Fcuking a feminine post-op Tgurl probably isn't much different from fcuking a woman. Post-op Tgurl pvssies are artificial but they are constructed using homologous anatomical features which begin to diverge only after the sex of the fetus has been determined. Moreover, nature is chaotic and full of flaws; some artificial interventions serve to correct nature's flaws or make nature better (e.g., agriculture, civilization, anabolic steroids, fake tits, etc.).

Tgurls are unable to conceive a child but not all sexual relationships are aimed at procreation. People have sex just for pleasure too. Moreover, people generally have multiple sexual partners throughout their lives. Some guys who sleep with Tgurls out of sexual attraction or horniness already have kids who they engendered with a previous female sexual partner.

Some people call men who sleep with Tgurls gay or say that such a relationship is a "sin", but getting caught up on modern sexual identities such as "gay", "straight", "bi", etc. is just a silly thing, and the notion of sexual sin is nothing more than the fruit of unfounded and most likely completely made-up dogmas of primitive Jewish slave religions that only exist in the myopic and paranoid minds of believers. There is really no reason to take such a notion seriously. Even ancient peoples like Greeks and Romans weren't so hung-up on such bullshit.

I am a spiritual person and my mystical experiences with Ayahuasca have shown me that love is one of the most important things and the nature of the Divine and that most religious doctrines are manmade and don't represent reality in any way. Moreover, things such as sexuality, gender, and all of the other things that people get so caught up on are absolutely trivial in comparison to the sublime love and the vast transcendental reality of the Divine. Such trivialities as "who is gay", "who is straight", etc. are absolutely a laughing matter before the great ineffable magnificence of the Absolute. In addition, magnanimity and respect are far superior to intolerance and hatred. People who talk about homosexuals and Tgurls being abominations unto god and deserving to burn in hell are not truly spiritual at all. Many self-described religious people have absolutely no notion of true spirituality. That is the reason for which they are so superfluously judgmental.

But yes, Tgurls are human and deserve love and romance too. Guys who go with them shouldn't be harshly condemned either.

Bravo!!
Well said fella!!!
There are a few judgemental ppl in this forum
Queen bitch @Outcast9428 who wants to police the globe with traditional prison world
And his beta messiah @MrMan who is supposed to be someone worthy of envy but he is just another judgemental beta
Tranny girls deserve a good seeing to as well!!
Im not ashamed to admit Ive pounded a few ladyboys
Its somethin exotic!! Eh??
It isnt gay if they have a p***y

[MrMan]

It isnt gay if they have a p***y

A castrated man with a mutilated hole made to look like a woman's.

[Lucas88]

I think you could probably beat the trans out of a kid if you caught on to the effeminacy early enough. Instead of a tranny the kid would grow up a regular gay bloke and at least keep his balls. Seems like a more natural and sensible way to go about this whole fad. "Tgirls" aren't 'girls' at all, they are a cheap imitation, a parody almost of what an effeminate gay dude thinks a girl is like after jealously observing them for a lifetime. They are not and never will be the real deal... its like f***ing a very dedicated method actor.

You can't really beat the effeminacy out of a sexual invert/Tgurl. In the case of the true ones, they're just wired that way (as modern brain scan techniques have shown) and are often unable to hide their effeminacy or even adopt a masculine role despite years of chastisement on the part of the parents. In Latin America it is common for fathers to attempt to beat masculinity into their effeminate homosexual sons or even take them to a brothel in order to "make them straight", but it doesn't work and, in the absence of family support, many Tgurls leave home at a young age and make their own way in life. This scenario can be particularly dangerous. Many take up prostitution as a way to survive. In that kind of seedy environment and already with psychological traumas from their father's chastisement some of them also get hooked on drugs. All of this usually could have been avoided if the parents had been more accepting and supportive. The "beat out the effeminacy" approach is usually counterproductive.

Many Tgurls (probably most) outside of the Woke West don't even claim to be real women. They consider themselves "trans" and identify as such. The whole "transwomen are women" thing is more of a recent Western narrative being pushed by LGBT ideologues in the Woke age. Outside of the Woke West many Tgurls are more honest about their sexual condition and indeed do call a spade a spade.

As for whether some trannies look better than landwhales? Sure, at first glance, provided they do not open their mouth and talk as the atrocious "gay voice" is a dead give away almost always. A shemale is and always will be a cheap and pitiful imitation of the real thing.

Some trannies do indeed look way better than many women. Plenty of real women look fcukin' awful. That's just the truth. I suppose that for a guy who only cares about beauty a hot tranny is still better than an ugly or even an average-looking female.

Not all transformers have that "gay voice", by the way. Some are naturally able to speak like a woman and now there are even surgeries to feminize vocal cords.

I also wonder....since most Asian ladyboys never undergo an operation, how does a "heterosexual" man go about boning what is essentially a highly effeminate gay male that still has a dick and a pair of balls dangling around? There is a whole lot of denialism and coping mechanisms involved. Highly suspicious to be frank lol. I mean folks by all means "do you" but lets call a spade a spade.

There's no need to wonder here. Guys who bone pre-op Tgurls engage in bumming. I personally think that bumming is gross even among heterosexual couples and would never want to do it myself since I'd never want to put my dick in a poop hole. But even heterosexual couples do it nevertheless. It's not exclusively a gay thing. If I've understood correctly, even @CaptainSkelebob drew the line at bumming a pre-op and decided to get sucked off instead!

In the interest of calling a spade a spade, many guys who watch shemale porn and go with pre-ops do so because they are interested in the idea of a "chick with a dick". That's the truth of the matter. Some guys might sleep with a pre-op out of pure horniness after being beguiled the shemale's feminine appearance but in many cases those who specifically look to sleep with shemales are indeed fixated on the dick. They're not 100% straight, denialism notwithstanding.

[MrMan]

As for the topic at hand, I really don't see what is so bad about some guys dating or sleeping with Tgurls. Aren't Tgurls people too? Don't they deserve love and romance? I don't see how a man going with a Tgurl harms anybody.

Consider the following:

There is a subset of Tgurls who occur in the natural world regardless of culture or epoch. They are sexual inverts from birth and display effeminate behavior from early childhood. Even modern brain scans have shown that some gays and transformers have partially feminized brains even before any HRT. Such true Tgurls are a natural phenomenon and exist whether people like it or not. Moreover, they are different from the autogynephilic fetishists and the gender-fluid freaks who heavily populate the various LGBT and "woke" movements of today.

Some true Tgurls are far more attractive than many women. Some of them look exactly like or almost like real women and possess all of the feminine attractors that attract any heterosexual male.

Butt-fcuking a pre-op Tgurl is no worse than butt-fcuking a woman if you really think about it (I personally find all anal sex utterly gross). I wouldn't think any less of a man who butt-fcuked a pre-op Tgurl than I would of a man who butt-fcuked a woman. It's still the same act of butt-fcuking.

Some Tgurls get sex change operations and therefore have a post-op Tgurl pvssy. Fcuking a feminine post-op Tgurl probably isn't much different from fcuking a woman. Post-op Tgurl pvssies are artificial but they are constructed using homologous anatomical features which begin to diverge only after the sex of the fetus has been determined. Moreover, nature is chaotic and full of flaws; some artificial interventions serve to correct nature's flaws or make nature better (e.g., agriculture, civilization, anabolic steroids, fake tits, etc.).

Tgurls are unable to conceive a child but not all sexual relationships are aimed at procreation. People have sex just for pleasure too. Moreover, people generally have multiple sexual partners throughout their lives. Some guys who sleep with Tgurls out of sexual attraction or horniness already have kids who they engendered with a previous female sexual partner.

Some people call men who sleep with Tgurls gay or say that such a relationship is a "sin", but getting caught up on modern sexual identities such as "gay", "straight", "bi", etc. is just a silly thing, and the notion of sexual sin is nothing more than the fruit of unfounded and most likely completely made-up dogmas of primitive Jewish slave religions that only exist in the myopic and paranoid minds of believers. There is really no reason to take such a notion seriously. Even ancient peoples like Greeks and Romans weren't so hung-up on such bullshit.

I am a spiritual person and my mystical experiences with Ayahuasca have shown me that love is one of the most important things and the nature of the Divine and that most religious doctrines are manmade and don't represent reality in any way. Moreover, things such as sexuality, gender, and all of the other things that people get so caught up on are absolutely trivial in comparison to the sublime love and the vast transcendental reality of the Divine. Such trivialities as "who is gay", "who is straight", etc. are absolutely a laughing matter before the great ineffable magnificence of the Absolute. In addition, magnanimity and respect are far superior to intolerance and hatred. People who talk about homosexuals and Tgurls being abominations unto god and deserving to burn in hell are not truly spiritual at all. Many self-described religious people have absolutely no notion of true spirituality. That is the reason for which they are so superfluously judgmental.

But yes, Tgurls are human and deserve love and romance too. Guys who go with them shouldn't be harshly condemned either.

I think you could probably beat the trans out of a kid if you caught on to the effeminacy early enough. Instead of a tranny the kid would grow up a regular gay bloke and at least keep his balls. Seems like a more natural and sensible way to go about this whole fad.

There was apparently a whole body of psychological literature that argued/found that lack of bonding with one's father or father-figure was at the root of male homosexuality-- that a man eroticizes male attention. I suspect sexual libertinism could also lead to a lot of men going into it. There were apparently a lot of men in Greece and Rome having sex with boys who also had wives. Maybe the society had become so degenerate and lost it's sense of decency and reasonable social mores related to sex. That's one of the dangers in our society.

There is a natural sense of loathing that a lot of men have toward the idea of homosexuality, sex with other men, etc. Our culture used to support and nurture that healthy revulsion. But now the left is trying hard to do away with this in young men. LGBT men and women will have a crop of brainwashed foolish young people willing to try stuff when they turn 18, who were brainwashed to think that it is evil to be repulsed by such activity.

Beating the trannie out of a boy is not a good solution. That sort of thing contributes to their high suicide rates-- which are already. Pushing this evil trans gender fluid stuff on foolish, easily brainwashable kids is leading more of them into a category where suicide rates are high. From what I have read, male homosexual suicide rates are higher than normal. But male-to-female trans suicide rates and attempted suicide rates are very, very high. The data doesn't show the same alarming numbers for women who try to become men. There was a study that lesbian households had more domestic violence.

[MrMan]

I don't remember the details, but there was, I think it was an American, in the Philippines who was doing something sexual with some individual. Come to find out, it was actually a man who was trans that was doing this to them. He killed her. I don't remember if the court gave him a light sentence or let him off. I think he might have been really drunk. I think there was a link on this forum several years ago, and I didn't read all the details of the case, and the memory is fuzzy.

One of the posts here says a man going for beauty should go for a t-girl? For me, I would feel a man who looks like a woman who is prettier than most women.... is a repulsive idea. It's just gross. Most of the time, these trans they say are pretty still have masculine features. Some men think a real woman is pretty, but if she has features that seem masculine to me-- large jaw. masculine brow, etc., I don't see the beauty.

Be that as it may, the sense of revulsion toward a man pretending to be a woman is a healthy normal thing. I do not endorse men going around and getting oral sex from strangers, or getting drunk for that matter, or being the violent type. But if one did such things, I can understand why a drunk man who thought he was getting oral sex from a girl who found out that it was really a guy would respond with violence and beat the guy up, or in that case, beat him to death. It's a horrible violation to spring a homosexual act on a man. That was a terrible situation, and a terrible thing was done-- on both ends of the stick (sorry for the pun there.) But I understand why such a thing would happen.

I hear in Texas if you shoot someone who breaks into your home, that's pretty much it-- that you don't get charged for murder. That's a deterrent to robbers and burglars. Letting a guy get off of a murder charge because he was conned into doing something with a transexual would be a way to deter transsexuals from tricking the same biological sex. It's a huge violation for them to have sex with those of their own biological gender without telling them. On the other hand, the fact that there are post-op transvestites out there is a deterrent to men who would want to sleep around with strangers.

[publicduende]

I read a while back an interesting hypothesis from @publicduende regarding trannies; he felt that the hormones pumped into food nowadays may make their occurrence more likely in today's world compared to before. Pregnant mothers eat hotdogs and meat from cans filled with cows and pigs that were given growth hormones, then the boy is born and fed the same garbage. The Philippines has a lot of effeminate "bakla" gays and a ton of unhealthy food, with poor regulation as to what is put into it. I'm not sure about how healthy the food in the slums of Latin America is but I reckon it can't be too good. And America is noticeably awful when it comes to food quality and has plenty of trannies. Meanwhile, the Europe, food quality is taken more seriously by the European Union and I rarely encounter trannies or very effeminate gays there. They exist but there are far fewer of them compared to Asia.

The Philippines have their regulations in terms of the amount of phytoestrogens that can be used for meats to be sold for public consumption, but only large industrial conglomerates are expected to comply.

You see, many things are said about the levels of corruption in the public offices in this country but I have to admit that, at least when buying poultry, pork and beef in any large supermarket chain like SM or Robinsons, all the way up to Rustans, the chances of finding large batches of this stuff containing illegal quantities of phytoestrogens is near zero. Some of these large food suppliers are part of the same conglomerates that own the supermarket chain (like Universal Robina with Robinsons and Rustans Marketplace). Many others have been in the business for decades and none will risk getting their supply contracts thrown away, let alone their reputation with the middle and upper class, for the dubious benefit of pumping their chicken breasts and (pork) adobo cuts to make maybe 5% more profit.

This is why virtually all urban dwellers in the Philippines, including most middle and upper-class families living in the province, will buy their meat from the mall supermarket. The problem is with the much bigger working class (masa), who buys chicken and especially pork (Filipinos love eating pork!) from the local town markets (palengke) or from the farmer's roadside stalls, where regulations are either non-existent, harder to check, and/or the local inspectors are easier to bribe.

These people buy pork cuts full of fat and estrogens, paying them even 20 or 30% less than supermarket prices, from farmers who have the masa as their only market and care about that 5% extra profit much more than the large industrial groups. This the kind of meat families devour almost every day, at every party, every occasion to eat "better food", or "more food" than usual. Kids take these extra hormones day in and day out and it's no surprise that some of them, by the time they reach puberty, will have stored enough of them to turn into literal girls.

I'll never forget the first time I saw one of such cases. It was 2013 and it was my first time in the Philippines. I spent a few weeks in Samal Island, after reading a place about "the best tropical beaches you never heard about". I wanted a quiet holiday, so I booked an inexpensive hostel in the southernmost area of Samal, called Kaputian. Beautiful beach with corals and starfish, totally undeveloped - pure province, in other words.

So I popped to a local shop looking to buy water and, at the counter, I meet what appeared as a cute tween. At that time I wasn't that familiar with the Filipino stock, I would have guessed "she" was 11 or 12 tops. "She" had long hair, a very cute face, budding breasts and, as "she" turned around, a surprisingly (for Filipinas) shapely butt. As soon as "she" opened her mouth I realised that "she" was probably a "he". Her mom or auntie calling "her" a typical male nickname (something closer to "Jong" than "Jeng"), soon before I left that place, was the last confirmation I needed.

I am wondering why nobody here talks about the elephant in the room of cheap food messing with children's gendered and sexual development. Maybe it's part of the passivity and indifference that's endemic in this society: "we keep eating imported Angus from Australia and let the poor eat fatty, pumped-up pork" type of thing, just on a par with the "we get our healthcare at private clinics full of doctors who studied abroad, and let the poor collapse and die with pneumonia, or put the entire family in debt if they have a serious illness", followed by "we have always been too many in here, for all I care".

Like with many things here in PH, I could curl up in despair and cry out my 70% body water contents - it won't change a single thing. When I did try helping, many years ago in Davao, I ended up enriching "handlers" who would pocket maybe 90% of that money, if I was lucky. And I am talking about global organizations, like Rotary International, here.

Like everybody else here, I developed extra ear wax and a thick skin. I keep buying all my chicken from Robinsons and the occasional, once a month US-imported steak treat, from Rustans or S&R. If poor people would rather stuff their faces with pumped pork instead of having less of it, but better quality, it's none of my business and not my fault. As I learned here, people may die out of an excess of ignorance. Nobody ever dies here out of an excess of cynicism.

[Lucas88]

My goodness, life is complicated. I just pray never to be faced with the dilemma of having a mentally ill son like that. It seems absolutely awful. And in a sense, I pity these creatures; it must be a torturous existence to live your entire life out as the poor imitation of the one thing you're dying to be, but know you'll never become. Like your state of being is a cruel joke and you're the punchline. Just, sad.

I read a while back an interesting hypothesis from @publicduende regarding trannies; he felt that the hormones pumped into food nowadays may make their occurance more likely in today's world compared to before. Pregnant mothers eat hotdogs and meat from cans filled with cows and pigs that were given growth hormones, then the boy is born and fed the same garbage. The Philippines has a lot of effeminate "bakla" gays and a ton of unhealthy food, with poor regulation as to what is put into it. I'm not sure about how healthy the food in the slums of Latin America is but I reckon it can't be too good. And America is noticeably awful when it comes to food quality and has plenty of trannies. Meanwhile the Europe, food quality is taken more seriously by the European Union and I rarely encounter trannies or very effeminate gays there. They exist but there's far fewer of them compared to Asia.

Fate is sometimes cruel and you never know what you're going to get in life. Your own strategy of engendering a numerous brood of kids with multiple women is probably the best for ensuring a viable genetic legacy since even if one kid turns out to be a ladyboy you'll still have a handful of other sons and daughters willing to procreate with the opposite sex. But, yeah, fate can be cruel and often people's freewill is limited by biological factors and internal drives beyond their control. This is why I prefer to take a compassionate approach to those people, as long as they are innocent creatures who don't harm others, that is. I don't have the same level of tolerance for the sick ideologues who wish to push LGBT indoctrination onto children though. Those people are just plain evil and must be opposed.

I don't think that Tgurls are always a poor imitation of women though. With the extremely low quality of many women today - especially in Western countries -, some high-quality Tgurls are surpassing most of their natal female rivals in terms of beauty, femininity, class and charm. That might explain why they have become more popular with men in recent decades. Some guys who are into them even say that they act more in line with idealized femininity than most women do. I don't think that it would be an exaggeration to say that feminine Tgurls have become an alternative for men who have come to hate women.

There are already well-established scientific theories on the etiology of transsexualism. According to Ray Blanchard's clinical research with transsexual patients, there are two distinct types of transsexuals: homosexual transsexuals (HSTS) and autogynephilic transsexuals (AGPs). HSTS are true transsexuals. They are natural sexual inverts, show extreme levels of effeminacy from a young age, and are strongly and exclusively attracted to masculinity. Moreover, they feel much more comfortable in a feminine gender role and transition in order to become attractive to masculine men. AGPs on the other hand are heterosexual male fetishists who desire to become the object of their own love - a woman. These men start out as normal guys (i.e., non-sexual inverts) but their cross-dressing and female embodiment fantasies get out of hand and they decide to transition as a result of this. Many AGPs continue to date women after their transition and identify as "trans-lesbians".

Now, here's the interesting part: the majority of the "trans activists" in the Western LGBT movement are in fact AGP fetishists, not HSTS. That's why most of them look like manly androgynous creatures despite taking female hormones and push those ideologies that talk about gender being subjective. Trans activism is also why there are now so many trannies in America and other Western countries. The LGBT propaganda emboldens many AGP fetishists who in previous decades would have remained as closeted cross-dressers and encourages them to go through with actual medical transition. Please note that these people aren't true transsexuals (i.e., sexual inverts) at all but are adopting the lifestyle now that it has become fashionable and there is much less stigma attached to it.

I don't know how much hormones in cheap low-quality food contributes to the development of effeminacy but the HSTS and AGP phenomena are universal. No matter what culture you observe, you'll find both natural homosexual transsexuals and autogynephilic men. HSTS usually transition no matter what since their level of sexual inversion is extreme and they don't even know how to behave like men, but AGP fetishists tend to come out and adopt the trans lifestyle in large numbers only when the society in which they live is tolerant of transsexualism. Since Thailand and the Philippines do tolerate transsexualism and even have their own established ladyboy cultures, many AGP Thais and Filipinos will have been emboldened to become ladyboys, thus artificially inflating the prevalence of transsexualism much like in the current Western world. If out of curiosity you want to know which Filipina ladyboys are AGPs (as opposed to HSTS), they're the more masculine ones, those which are barely feminine at all and couldn't act feminine if their lives depended on it.

[CaptainSkelebob]

It isnt gay if they have a p***y

A castrated man with a mutilated hole made to look like a woman's.

It is made into a vagina... something I can f**k
There are several things made from silicone a man wouldnt f**k but most men would f**k a silicone vagina
In the same way most straight men wouldnt f**k a man or suck a dick but would f**k a ladyboy!!!
If it looks like a vagina and the ladyboy looks feminine then what does it matter if they used to be a man??
If what I am attracted to looks like a woman then does that really make me gay or not???
I wouldn't f**k a guy and I dont find men sexy

[CaptainSkelebob]

I think you could probably beat the trans out of a kid if you caught on to the effeminacy early enough. Instead of a tranny the kid would grow up a regular gay bloke and at least keep his balls. Seems like a more natural and sensible way to go about this whole fad. "Tgirls" aren't 'girls' at all, they are a cheap imitation, a parody almost of what an effeminate gay dude thinks a girl is like after jealously observing them for a lifetime. They are not and never will be the real deal... its like f***ing a very dedicated method actor.

You can't really beat the effeminacy out of a sexual invert/Tgurl. In the case of the true ones, they're just wired that way (as modern brain scan techniques have shown) and are often unable to hide their effeminacy or even adopt a masculine role despite years of chastisement on the part of the parents. In Latin America it is common for fathers to attempt to beat masculinity into their effeminate homosexual sons or even take them to a brothel in order to "make them straight", but it doesn't work and, in the absence of family support, many Tgurls leave home at a young age and make their own way in life. This scenario can be particularly dangerous. Many take up prostitution as a way to survive. In that kind of seedy environment and already with psychological traumas from their father's chastisement some of them also get hooked on drugs. All of this usually could have been avoided if the parents had been more accepting and supportive. The "beat out the effeminacy" approach is usually counterproductive.

Many Tgurls (probably most) outside of the Woke West don't even claim to be real women. They consider themselves "trans" and identify as such. The whole "transwomen are women" thing is more of a recent Western narrative being pushed by LGBT ideologues in the Woke age. Outside of the Woke West many Tgurls are more honest about their sexual condition and indeed do call a spade a spade.

As for whether some trannies look better than landwhales? Sure, at first glance, provided they do not open their mouth and talk as the atrocious "gay voice" is a dead give away almost always. A shemale is and always will be a cheap and pitiful imitation of the real thing.

Some trannies do indeed look way better than many women. Plenty of real women look fcukin' awful. That's just the truth. I suppose that for a guy who only cares about beauty a hot tranny is still better than an ugly or even an average-looking female.

Not all transformers have that "gay voice", by the way. Some are naturally able to speak like a woman and now there are even surgeries to feminize vocal cords.

I also wonder....since most Asian ladyboys never undergo an operation, how does a "heterosexual" man go about boning what is essentially a highly effeminate gay male that still has a dick and a pair of balls dangling around? There is a whole lot of denialism and coping mechanisms involved. Highly suspicious to be frank lol. I mean folks by all means "do you" but lets call a spade a spade.

There's no need to wonder here. Guys who bone pre-op Tgurls engage in bumming. I personally think that bumming is gross even among heterosexual couples and would never want to do it myself since I'd never want to put my dick in a poop hole. But even heterosexual couples do it nevertheless. It's not exclusively a gay thing. If I've understood correctly, even @CaptainSkelebob drew the line at bumming a pre-op and decided to get sucked off instead!

In the interest of calling a spade a spade, many guys who watch shemale porn and go with pre-ops do so because they are interested in the idea of a "chick with a dick". That's the truth of the matter. Some guys might sleep with a pre-op out of pure horniness after being beguiled the shemale's feminine appearance but in many cases those who specifically look to sleep with shemales are indeed fixated on the dick. They're not 100% straight, denialism notwithstanding.

The pre op thai ladyboy I had was really good looking fella!!
Not kidding
Best set of blow job lips on it ever
Thats why when I got her to the hotel and she had a cock but I just said "f**k it ur here now"
Tell you what fella!
That little horny slut knew how to suck a cock

I only f**k p***y. I dont do dicks or arseholes