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WilliamSmith wrote:
July 20th, 2023, 4:39 pm
Addressing your original post here (as opposed to the colorful imbroglio with CaptainSkelebob and Mr Mistofelees) I'm guessing you are asking about the jewnited states (not overseas, where it can vary widely by culture and territory)?

Objectively speaking there's been consistently lower and lower recorded testosterone levels amongst newer generations (Gen Z being the worst thus far for this) including mushrooming and growing numbers of homosexuals, as well as declining IQ scores.
Hey William, I just remembered this post of yours today while I was waiting at the bus station in a local city. I was doing a bit of people watching to pass the time until my bus arrived and was astonished by how unmasculine and unfit so many of the males were, especially among those who belonged to the cohort commonly referred to as Gen-Z.

What you mentioned about a generational decline in testosterone levels (as well as other measures of health) is 100% an undeniable reality. Studies have shown that both total testosterone and free testosterone in the US and other advanced industrial nations have been falling at a rate of about 1% each year since the 1950s. Millennials definitely have significantly lower T than the Gen-X men who grew up in the 80s. Gen-Z has the lowest T ever recorded.

Here is one such study which compares average testosterone levels of males in the late 80s, mid 90s and early 2000s published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism:

Travison, T.G., Araujo, A.B., O’Donnell, A.B., et al. (2007). A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17062768/

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Source: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007;92:196-202.


The scary thing is that that study was from the 2000s. A decade and half later and the situation is undeniably much worse.

I've been arguing for a long time now that the degradation of the last few generations is primarily biological. Social engineering and negative cultural trends are merely secondary factors. For many decades now our living environment has been flooded with all kinds of harmful toxins and pollutants that have served to thoroughly demolish testosterone levels in men and give rise to various developmental disorders such as autism and ADHD. These include things like xenoestrogens and endocrine disrupters in the case of the former and common toxins such as Bisphenol A, heavy metals and certain pharma drugs in the case of the latter.

The truth is that we've been increasingly poisoning ourselves in a cesspool of toxic filth for almost half a century now and each generation has turned out more unmasculine, ill-constituted and hormonally messed up than the previous one. We went from the relatively macho and well-constituted men of the 80s to the puny, depressed, effeminate low-test dweebs of Gen-Z. I know that @gsjackson has noticed the stark difference in virility across generations as an old-timer born in the 1950s. We spoke about this topic via private message and his observation was similar to mine.

Modern life has certainly taken its toll on the biological fitness of recent generations but the conspiracy theorist in me observes that all of this is by design - the NWO has an agenda to feminize a large portion of the male population and turn as many men as possible into weak, passive, depressed and cowardly serfs totally incapable of resisting their upcoming enslavement plan (aka Great Reset).

Let's be honest, a significant subset of millennial and Gen-Z males (with Gen-Z being considerably worse) are hormonally unhealthy and biologically degraded as evidenced by the sharp decline in testosterone levels and the abrupt increase of various developmental disorders in the last few decades. No wonder there are now so many incels and dateless men. Women simply sense that those men are hormonally unhealthy and biologically degraded and don't want anything to do with such undesirable specimens. Most of those men are unaware of the biological nature of their problem.

In fact, Caleb Jones (who @WilliamSmith recommended to me) talks about this same phenomenon. As a Gen-X guy who experienced the 80s first hand, he explains how even the average guy in that decade was still relatively virile and attractive and had no problem getting girls while the subsequent generations of men had a much harder time getting girls and a much higher incidence of inceldom, which he attributes primarily to the abnormal decline in test levels and the resulting biological degradation of men. Here is a lucid video on the subject:




For some reason, the topic of declining T levels is strangely omitted from the discussion, despite it being so fundamental. I think that Caleb is absolutely on point.

Another video in which Caleb explains the myriad benefits of (moderately) high T vs. the abnormally low T of the typical Western male:




T level is something that any remotely self-aware male should be paying attention to and actively trying to improve.
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Lucas88 wrote:
October 18th, 2023, 5:03 pm
WilliamSmith wrote:
July 20th, 2023, 4:39 pm
Addressing your original post here (as opposed to the colorful imbroglio with CaptainSkelebob and Mr Mistofelees) I'm guessing you are asking about the jewnited states (not overseas, where it can vary widely by culture and territory)?

Objectively speaking there's been consistently lower and lower recorded testosterone levels amongst newer generations (Gen Z being the worst thus far for this) including mushrooming and growing numbers of homosexuals, as well as declining IQ scores.
Hey William, I just remembered this post of yours today while I was waiting at the bus station in a local city. I was doing a bit of people watching to pass the time until my bus arrived and was astonished by how unmasculine and unfit so many of the males were, especially among those who belonged to the cohort commonly referred to as Gen-Z.

What you mentioned about a generational decline in testosterone levels (as well as other measures of health) is 100% an undeniable reality. Studies have shown that both total testosterone and free testosterone in the US and other advanced industrial nations have been falling at a rate of about 1% each year since the 1950s. Millennials definitely have significantly lower T than the Gen-X men who grew up in the 80s. Gen-Z has the lowest T ever recorded.

Here is one such study which compares average testosterone levels of males in the late 80s, mid 90s and early 2000s published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism:

Travison, T.G., Araujo, A.B., O’Donnell, A.B., et al. (2007). A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17062768/

Image

Source: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007;92:196-202.


The scary thing is that that study was from the 2000s. A decade and half later and the situation is undeniably much worse.

I've been arguing for a long time now that the degradation of the last few generations is primarily biological. Social engineering and negative cultural trends are merely secondary factors. For many decades now our living environment has been flooded with all kinds of harmful toxins and pollutants that have served to thoroughly demolish testosterone levels in men and give rise to various developmental disorders such as autism and ADHD. These include things like xenoestrogens and endocrine disrupters in the case of the former and common toxins such as Bisphenol A, heavy metals and certain pharma drugs in the case of the latter.

The truth is that we've been increasingly poisoning ourselves in a cesspool of toxic filth for almost half a century now and each generation has turned out more unmasculine, ill-constituted and hormonally messed up than the previous one. We went from the relatively macho and well-constituted men of the 80s to the puny, depressed, effeminate low-test dweebs of Gen-Z. I know that @gsjackson has noticed the stark difference in virility across generations as an old-timer born in the 1950s. We spoke about this topic via private message and his observation was similar to mine.

Modern life has certainly taken its toll on the biological fitness of recent generations but the conspiracy theorist in me observes that all of this is by design - the NWO has an agenda to feminize a large portion of the male population and turn as many men as possible into weak, passive, depressed and cowardly serfs totally incapable of resisting their upcoming enslavement plan (aka Great Reset).

Let's be honest, a significant subset of millennial and Gen-Z males (with Gen-Z being considerably worse) are hormonally unhealthy and biologically degraded as evidenced by the sharp decline in testosterone levels and the abrupt increase of various developmental disorders in the last few decades. No wonder there are now so many incels and dateless men. Women simply sense that those men are hormonally unhealthy and biologically degraded and don't want anything to do with such undesirable specimens. Most of those men are unaware of the biological nature of their problem.

In fact, Caleb Jones (who @WilliamSmith recommended to me) talks about this same phenomenon. As a Gen-X guy who experienced the 80s first hand, he explains how even the average guy in that decade was still relatively virile and attractive and had no problem getting girls while the subsequent generations of men had a much harder time getting girls and a much higher incidence of inceldom, which he attributes primarily to the abnormal decline in test levels and the resulting biological degradation of men. Here is a lucid video on the subject:




For some reason, the topic of declining T levels is strangely omitted from the discussion, despite it being so fundamental. I think that Caleb is absolutely on point.

Another video in which Caleb explains the myriad benefits of (moderately) high T vs. the abnormally low T of the typical Western male:




T level is something that any remotely self-aware male should be paying attention to and actively trying to improve.
I dont understand why guys like this are always attacking men. We live in a different time and era, plus you have to understand most Western countries and even in Asia raped the masculinity out of men. In American schools boys are being groomed to be gay and passive. So how is that their fault if they turn out a certain way as they get older? We've been forced to accept and tolerate a lot of shit that defeat us or else you are threaten if you don't.
Granted if masculinity was promoted in Western countries we wouldn't have this problem.

But in the 80s clearly there wasn't a lot of forced tolerant shit, males weren't being groomed to be passive self hating losers either that view themselves as inferior to other men. Pornography only made it worse by promoting such kinks and fetishes especially the interracial side of it. I mean hell BLACKED profited off low self esteem men BIG, and now you see all these cuckold type men with wives who get off on being humiliated because they embrace the idea of being a failure. The fact is as long as men are discouraged from being men or punished for it, and have to deal with women forcing themselves into masculine roles.

It's going to be harder. And this guy is full of shit if he thinks getting girls is easier today than it was many years ago. If anything shit like Onlyfans, tiktok, Cellphone culture, etc has made getting a woman tremendously impossible and much more harder than it's ever been. Women just aren't willing to settle for one guy, incels exist because society created incels. If you have a society full of gays, and passive men you can easily take over that society. I've stopped caring about my health a long time ago, and as for women...They aren't in no position to judge whether or not men are healthy when the vast majority of women are either fat f***s, or have a lot of fake ass plastic surgery done to themselves. Any woman trying to talk shit about the health of men is a joke.
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WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 18th, 2023, 11:50 pm
I dont understand why guys like this are always attacking men. We live in a different time and era, plus you have to understand most Western countries and even in Asia raped the masculinity out of men. In American schools boys are being groomed to be gay and passive. So how is that their fault if they turn out a certain way as they get older? We've been forced to accept and tolerate a lot of shit that defeat us or else you are threaten if you don't.
Granted if masculinity was promoted in Western countries we wouldn't have this problem.
I don't perceive that Caleb is attacking men. :? The whole purpose of his channel is to help men become better through maximization of testosterone (which can be done through lifestyle changes) and self-improvement. He just has a no-nonsense "tough love" kind of approach.

It is important to understand the fundamental reason why so many men are weak and unmasculine in this day and age. Caleb lucidly explains it – it's because testosterone levels have plummeted so bad in recent decades (due to the myriad toxins and pollutants in the environment) and men have been progressively pussified on a biological level as a result of this. That's the fundamental reason why millennials and Gen-Z are in such a bad state physically and psychologically.

Why do you think that so many men today put up with all of the abuse from a feministic education system and allow themselves to suffer humiliation after humiliation? Because they've already been robbed of their natural testosterone and been rendered weak and unmasculine. No generation with high test would passively accept that kind of abuse like today's generation does. Could you imagine men from the 80s (or any earlier decade) being told that masculinity is toxic and that they are the problem and just putting up with it? They'd be like GTFOH!

Yes, on a macro level, it's not millennial and Gen-Z men's fault. We were simply born into a world laden with harmful toxins, endocrine disruptors and xenoestrogens that severely hindered our natural test production and messed many of us up. The NWO has really done a number on the last two generations of men and its vicious attack against us has been primarily biological – something which few people ever talk about but which I've been talking about for a long time. Biology is fundamental. The NWO attacks us on that level first and foremost because a dysfunctional body will allow for a dysfunctional mind.

Nevertheless, it is absolutely our own responsibility as men to do something about the problem once we become aware of it. We must strive to take care of our health and restore our own testosterone through physical training, better diet, and avoidance of xenoestrogens. That's the essence of the warrior spirit – to build yourself up in the face of adversity while flipping off whatever external factors conspire to hold you back. 8)
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October 18th, 2023, 11:50 pm
And this guy is full of shit if he thinks getting girls is easier today than it was many years ago. If anything shit like Onlyfans, tiktok, Cellphone culture, etc has made getting a woman tremendously impossible and much more harder than it's ever been. Women just aren't willing to settle for one guy, incels exist because society created incels.
I don't know if you watched the full video, but Caleb is saying that getting girls is easier today for guys who increase their testosterone and act like men (high test makes guys act more masculine just as low test makes guys act weak and unmasculine) precisely because there is so little competition from the multitude of typical low-test millennial and Gen-Z males. Yes, the low-test males who have been deprived of their natural masculinity are facing increasing levels of inceldom but most females are now easy pickings for the high-test males who haven't been turned into unmasculine pussies.

The solution? A restoration of testosterone and masculinity from the biological level upwards (requires a complete overhaul of our collective environment).

As for Instagram and whatnot, Caleb addresses those things in the video and explains that they're not real life and therefore have no influence on us (unless we allow them to do so). Most people in the real world aren't Instagram thots or OnlyFans models.
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Lucas88 wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 5:40 am
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 18th, 2023, 11:50 pm
I dont understand why guys like this are always attacking men. We live in a different time and era, plus you have to understand most Western countries and even in Asia raped the masculinity out of men. In American schools boys are being groomed to be gay and passive. So how is that their fault if they turn out a certain way as they get older? We've been forced to accept and tolerate a lot of shit that defeat us or else you are threaten if you don't.
Granted if masculinity was promoted in Western countries we wouldn't have this problem.
I don't perceive that Caleb is attacking men. :? The whole purpose of his channel is to help men become better through maximization of testosterone (which can be done through lifestyle changes) and self-improvement. He just has a no-nonsense "tough love" kind of approach.

It is important to understand the fundamental reason why so many men are weak and unmasculine in this day and age. Caleb lucidly explains it – it's because testosterone levels have plummeted so bad in recent decades (due to the myriad toxins and pollutants in the environment) and men have been progressively pussified on a biological level as a result of this. That's the fundamental reason why millennials and Gen-Z are in such a bad state physically and psychologically.

Why do you think that so many men today put up with all of the abuse from a feministic education system and allow themselves to suffer humiliation after humiliation? Because they've already been robbed of their natural testosterone and been rendered weak and unmasculine. No generation with high test would passively accept that kind of abuse like today's generation does. Could you imagine men from the 80s (or any earlier decade) being told that masculinity is toxic and that they are the problem and just putting up with it? They'd be like GTFOH!

Yes, on a macro level, it's not millennial and Gen-Z men's fault. We were simply born into a world laden with harmful toxins, endocrine disruptors and xenoestrogens that severely hindered our natural test production and messed many of us up. The NWO has really done a number on the last two generations of men and its vicious attack against us has been primarily biological – something which few people ever talk about but which I've been talking about for a long time. Biology is fundamental. The NWO attacks us on that level first and foremost because a dysfunctional body will allow for a dysfunctional mind.

Nevertheless, it is absolutely our own responsibility as men to do something about the problem once we become aware of it. We must strive to take care of our health and restore our own testosterone through physical training, better diet, and avoidance of xenoestrogens. That's the essence of the warrior spirit – to build yourself up in the face of adversity while flipping off whatever external factors conspire to hold you back. 8)
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 18th, 2023, 11:50 pm
And this guy is full of shit if he thinks getting girls is easier today than it was many years ago. If anything shit like Onlyfans, tiktok, Cellphone culture, etc has made getting a woman tremendously impossible and much more harder than it's ever been. Women just aren't willing to settle for one guy, incels exist because society created incels.
I don't know if you watched the full video, but Caleb is saying that getting girls is easier today for guys who increase their testosterone and act like men (high test makes guys act more masculine just as low test makes guys act weak and unmasculine) precisely because there is so little competition from the multitude of typical low-test millennial and Gen-Z males. Yes, the low-test males who have been deprived of their natural masculinity are facing increasing levels of inceldom but most females are now easy pickings for the high-test males who haven't been turned into unmasculine pussies.

The solution? A restoration of testosterone and masculinity from the biological level upwards (requires a complete overhaul of our collective environment).

As for Instagram and whatnot, Caleb addresses those things in the video and explains that they're not real life and therefore have no influence on us (unless we allow them to do so). Most people in the real world aren't Instagram thots or OnlyFans models.
I don't think I need some ugly old guy on some video that barely got any views or replies telling me the crises we men face.
If men in the 80s were forced to surrender to liberalism like what's going on today it still would have worked. People are scared of being labeled racist, phobe, sexist, misgonist, etc. Why aren't they worried in Muslim countries? Because they don't have a government that's trying to intentionally make them weak or promoting women in leadership roles either. Instead they have leaders telling them to kill, rape, dominate, and conquer. Old skool style savagery shit, "Take what you want at any means necessary" there's no way they'll ever promote anything to weaken their male population because they want them strong enough to overthrow the West while the West is doing shit in the complete opposite direction. They put women in leadership roles and then said women advocate to hurt their own people.

Plus not all women are wired the same way either. You have women who are willing to even date transsexuals now. The fact is the West don't want masculine men, masculine men would be a threat to the people running the country.

Conservative men try to act "masculine" but even they aren't ballsy enough to launch a full scale revolution against a corrupt Government. Jan 6 proved how fragile they were when they got arrested and one of the men broke down and cried after he was harassed hard by prosecutors, he eventually killed himself when they told him they were going to give him 20+ years in prison.

Times have certainly changed a lot, some men continue to dominate the sexual market but these men also have the look and appearance of such men capable of doing this. The majority of men that identify as incels aren't the best looking men in the world and sometimes being confident just isn't enough to pursuade attractive girls in the West to consider giving you a chance. Dating definitely isn't nowhere near as easy as it was in the past. In the past almost any man who wanted a girlfriend could easily get one and had one. Cell phone culture, tiktok, only fans, none of that stuff was around to influence Western women either. But when you have girls as young as 8 on Tiktok dancing like a whore, that alone tells you Tiktok is definitely an influence to reality to some degree.

Let me put it to you like this, I use to approach women a lot in college, never came off as someone that was weak either. And even then I couldn't get women to go beyond "friend" status. I noticed the majority of good looking women was always with a good looking man that was normally taller than they were and most likely had everything together with the exception of men in prison that have women waiting for them on the outside.

When I opened up to women in the Philippines it was different, I could have easily gotten a woman anywhere in that country if I wanted one. But in the West? It was extra harder to damn near impossible. This guy is full of shit, it's the demographics that really matter and Western women aren't easy to get in todays environment. Low T or not. It amazes me sometimes when these guru types try to act like they understand anything when clearly men have been forced in the West to give up everything they have to prop up women. You have men in the work place that won't even give women eye contact out of fear of being accused of sexual harassment.

Resisting isn't easy for the majority, without strong leadership, strong fathers, etc. Men will continue to be directionless. Some men will manage to survive even without all of that, the majority of us won't. Just look at all the liberal white countries today and see where they are all headed. Without tough nationalistic leaders they are royally f***ed. And the men have been forced to tolerate liberalism for so long they forgot how to even fight. The ones who haven't get banished a racist because they beat up some black or muslim rapist.
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WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
I don't think I need some ugly old guy on some video that barely got any views or replies telling me the crises we men face.
Young men (millennials and Gen-Z'ers) most definitely do need somewhat older guys with greater experience and a broader perspective of the world to tell them what crises they are facing and what the possible solutions are. Otherwise, they wouldn't be wallowing in loneliness and despair. The truth is that most men today are clueless about the most fundamental cause of their plight and have no insight with regard to practical solutions. They need men with deeper understanding to educate and guide them.

Caleb Jones, who is actually a successful dating and business coach and simply uses a small YouTube channel to gain more clients, identifies generational decline in testosterone as the fundamental cause of men's plight in the last few decades. I agree with his observation. The data is unambiguous – test levels have plummeted at an alarming rate and men have become increasingly weak, unmasculine, pussified and unattractive to women. They've undeniably been degraded on a biological level.

Despite the clear statistical evidence, you don't often hear men in the Manosphere talking about this. They usually only talk about things like feminism, misandry, the legal system, etc. While all of those things are real problems and form part of an overarching agenda, none of them are as fundamental as the complete demolition of test levels over the last two or three generations. Most commentators touch on surface-level things but don't hit the mark.

With test levels at 300 ng/dl (or sometimes even less ☹️), a large subset of men today lack virility, are unhealthy (low test correlates with health problems), are susceptible to depression and other mental problems, weak-minded, and submissive (they're what the Manosphere types colloquially call "beta"). Let's be clear, with abnormally low test, these guys are shells of men in comparison to previous generations. This hormonal decline – a real tangible biological problem – is the primary reason why so many men today cannot attract a woman.

Yes, it's tragic. The NWO elites, who allowed their multinational corporations to liberally flood our living environment with all kinds of toxins, endocrine disruptors, xenoestrogens and other harmful pollutants, have really f***ed over and doomed several generations of men with each one turning out worse than the previous. Those assholes have turned men into unmasculine sissies first on a biological level, and then on an ideological level with misandry and anti-male propaganda, and more recently with the LGBT garbage being taught in schools to kids as young as 5. They're trying to destroy masculinity because they want to make men weak and ensure submission, and it all began with the demolition of testosterone.

Regardless of whether you regard Caleb as a source of wisdom or an ugly old has-been, he's certainly on point about this issue. I've already known about the generational decline in testosterone for years. Caleb was just explaining what those of us who are into training and test already know (but what many others ignore). His solution is for men to raise their test levels, create a location-independent business, and live abroad (in order to get away from the US legal system). A pretty practical solution if you ask me.
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
Times have certainly changed a lot, some men continue to dominate the sexual market but these men also have the look and appearance of such men capable of doing this. The majority of men that identify as incels aren't the best looking men in the world and sometimes being confident just isn't enough to pursuade attractive girls in the West to consider giving you a chance. Dating definitely isn't nowhere near as easy as it was in the past. In the past almost any man who wanted a girlfriend could easily get one and had one. Cell phone culture, tiktok, only fans, none of that stuff was around to influence Western women either. But when you have girls as young as 8 on Tiktok dancing like a whore, that alone tells you Tiktok is definitely an influence to reality to some degree.
Yes, dating was indeed much easier for the average guy in the 80s. That's because even the average guy back then had decent test levels, was pretty masculine and was okay enough to attract a girl with relative ease. However, nowadays in the 2020s, the average guy isn't okay at all. His test levels are in the gutter, he's unmasculine and often a bit of a p***y, he's hormonally unhealthy, he just isn't attractive to most women if any at all. The biologically degraded, low-test average guy of today has it really bad.

Caleb says this in his video. He explains that the average guy of today with his abysmally low test levels has little chance with women while at the same time the guy (outlier) who raises his testosterone and masculinity even to the same level as the average guy of the 80s has it much easier than before since there is almost no competition from the masses of low-test average guys of today. His point makes sense.

This is the reason why Caleb emphasizes the importance of testosterone maximization as part of his proposed individual solution (if most men today are low-test due to environmental factors, then the logical solution is to do something about it).
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October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
Resisting isn't easy for the majority, without strong leadership, strong fathers, etc. Men will continue to be directionless. Some men will manage to survive even without all of that, the majority of us won't. Just look at all the liberal white countries today and see where they are all headed. Without tough nationalistic leaders they are royally f***ed. And the men have been forced to tolerate liberalism for so long they forgot how to even fight. The ones who haven't get banished a racist because they beat up some black or muslim rapist.
Exactly. Young men need strong masculine mentors and role models who can show them the ropes and teach them important things – men like Caleb (a shrewd guy with valuable information, in my opinion) and @WilliamSmith (the most "based" guy on this forum if you ask me. Lol! 😂). That was my point in the opening paragraph of this response.

As for the collective situation, not to sound like too much of a doomer, but I think that most recent generations of men (millennials and Gen-Z'ers) are pretty much screwed at this point. Many of them are biologically degraded with low-test, broken down and confused with all kinds of indoctrination, and I don't see anybody capable of doing anything about our progressive enslavement and destruction at the hands of the New World Order as of now. Add to that the 70-80% of the population who passively accepted the NWO death shot and the situation is really grim. The Jews (Kabbalists) have really f***ed us up. :(

The only solution that I can foresee is that a significant portion of the population wake up and make a concerted effort to resist the NWO in light of growing poverty and absolute desperation (in conjunction with an increased awareness of the true nature of the evil elites) as the evil elites attempt to implement their envisioned "Great Reset". If enough people wake up and resist during that possible window of opportunity, then maybe there will be some hope.
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Lucas88 wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 5:35 pm
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
I don't think I need some ugly old guy on some video that barely got any views or replies telling me the crises we men face.
Young men (millennials and Gen-Z'ers) most definitely do need somewhat older guys with greater experience and a broader perspective of the world to tell them what crises they are facing and what the possible solutions are. Otherwise, they wouldn't be wallowing in loneliness and despair. The truth is that most men today are clueless about the most fundamental cause of their plight and have no insight with regard to practical solutions. They need men with deeper understanding to educate and guide them.

Caleb Jones, who is actually a successful dating and business coach and simply uses a small YouTube channel to gain more clients, identifies generational decline in testosterone as the fundamental cause of men's plight in the last few decades. I agree with his observation. The data is unambiguous – test levels have plummeted at an alarming rate and men have become increasingly weak, unmasculine, pussified and unattractive to women. They've undeniably been degraded on a biological level.

Despite the clear statistical evidence, you don't often hear men in the Manosphere talking about this. They usually only talk about things like feminism, misandry, the legal system, etc. While all of those things are real problems and form part of an overarching agenda, none of them are as fundamental as the complete demolition of test levels over the last two or three generations. Most commentators touch on surface-level things but don't hit the mark.

With test levels at 300 ng/dl (or sometimes even less ☹️), a large subset of men today lack virility, are unhealthy (low test correlates with health problems), are susceptible to depression and other mental problems, weak-minded, and submissive (they're what the Manosphere types colloquially call "beta"). Let's be clear, with abnormally low test, these guys are shells of men in comparison to previous generations. This hormonal decline – a real tangible biological problem – is the primary reason why so many men today cannot attract a woman.

Yes, it's tragic. The NWO elites, who allowed their multinational corporations to liberally flood our living environment with all kinds of toxins, endocrine disruptors, xenoestrogens and other harmful pollutants, have really f***ed over and doomed several generations of men with each one turning out worse than the previous. Those assholes have turned men into unmasculine sissies first on a biological level, and then on an ideological level with misandry and anti-male propaganda, and more recently with the LGBT garbage being taught in schools to kids as young as 5. They're trying to destroy masculinity because they want to make men weak and ensure submission, and it all began with the demolition of testosterone.

Regardless of whether you regard Caleb as a source of wisdom or an ugly old has-been, he's certainly on point about this issue. I've already known about the generational decline in testosterone for years. Caleb was just explaining what those of us who are into training and test already know (but what many others ignore). His solution is for men to raise their test levels, create a location-independent business, and live abroad (in order to get away from the US legal system). A pretty practical solution if you ask me.
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
Times have certainly changed a lot, some men continue to dominate the sexual market but these men also have the look and appearance of such men capable of doing this. The majority of men that identify as incels aren't the best looking men in the world and sometimes being confident just isn't enough to pursuade attractive girls in the West to consider giving you a chance. Dating definitely isn't nowhere near as easy as it was in the past. In the past almost any man who wanted a girlfriend could easily get one and had one. Cell phone culture, tiktok, only fans, none of that stuff was around to influence Western women either. But when you have girls as young as 8 on Tiktok dancing like a whore, that alone tells you Tiktok is definitely an influence to reality to some degree.
Yes, dating was indeed much easier for the average guy in the 80s. That's because even the average guy back then had decent test levels, was pretty masculine and was okay enough to attract a girl with relative ease. However, nowadays in the 2020s, the average guy isn't okay at all. His test levels are in the gutter, he's unmasculine and often a bit of a p***y, he's hormonally unhealthy, he just isn't attractive to most women if any at all. The biologically degraded, low-test average guy of today has it really bad.

Caleb says this in his video. He explains that the average guy of today with his abysmally low test levels has little chance with women while at the same time the guy (outlier) who raises his testosterone and masculinity even to the same level as the average guy of the 80s has it much easier than before since there is almost no competition from the masses of low-test average guys of today. His point makes sense.

This is the reason why Caleb emphasizes the importance of testosterone maximization as part of his proposed individual solution (if most men today are low-test due to environmental factors, then the logical solution is to do something about it).
WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 2:10 pm
Resisting isn't easy for the majority, without strong leadership, strong fathers, etc. Men will continue to be directionless. Some men will manage to survive even without all of that, the majority of us won't. Just look at all the liberal white countries today and see where they are all headed. Without tough nationalistic leaders they are royally f***ed. And the men have been forced to tolerate liberalism for so long they forgot how to even fight. The ones who haven't get banished a racist because they beat up some black or muslim rapist.
Exactly. Young men need strong masculine mentors and role models who can show them the ropes and teach them important things – men like Caleb (a shrewd guy with valuable information, in my opinion) and @WilliamSmith (the most "based" guy on this forum if you ask me. Lol! 😂). That was my point in the opening paragraph of this response.

As for the collective situation, not to sound like too much of a doomer, but I think that most recent generations of men (millennials and Gen-Z'ers) are pretty much screwed at this point. Many of them are biologically degraded with low-test, broken down and confused with all kinds of indoctrination, and I don't see anybody capable of doing anything about our progressive enslavement and destruction at the hands of the New World Order as of now. Add to that the 70-80% of the population who passively accepted the NWO death shot and the situation is really grim. The Jews (Kabbalists) have really f***ed us up. :(

The only solution that I can foresee is that a significant portion of the population wake up and make a concerted effort to resist the NWO in light of growing poverty and absolute desperation (in conjunction with an increased awareness of the true nature of the evil elites) as the evil elites attempt to implement their envisioned "Great Reset". If enough people wake up and resist during that possible window of opportunity, then maybe there will be some hope.
I feel hopeless after reading the last few parts to the end of this.
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Re: Crisis of Masculinity?

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WanderingProtagonist wrote:
October 19th, 2023, 5:41 pm
Reading some of this just made me depressed even more, I know it wasn't your intention to do this. But it did.
I'm sorry, man. I know that this stuff gets to you. The world is undeniably a pretty awful place right now. Hey, at least you're honest enough to recognize all of the crazy shit without burying your head in the sand like so many other people do.

My advice would be to take a short timeout and do something that you truly enjoy without paying attention to anything negative. Send me a PM if ever you want to talk about anything.
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