Traveling for minority guys!

[Repatriate]

About teaching ESL. Fact is that ESL teachers have a racial hierarchy -- this is a white man's game unfortunately. Ladislav has a post about this, and i've seen this happen. Minority guys do not have the fallback option of teaching ESL and the sooner they realize this.. well you know.

I don't think this is true. I knew more than a few asian ESL teachers who were getting paid the same rate in Thailand. The salary ain't much from what I hear around 30k baht about ($1000) U.S. but it's doable. I know asian-american ESL teachers working in Japan and Korea too.

I have considered getting some kind of work teaching in Thailand since I can supplement it with passive income. $1000 spare cash + my passive income = pretty good life. The benefits of teaching is that you get a business visa for free (which is expensive and a hassle to get on your own) and in Thailand they generally have a few months off each school year. This means you can base out of Thailand long term and also spend time globe trotting during the long holidays.

[celery2010]

[celery2010]

E Irizarry and repatiate

Can I get your guys ethnic make-up and citizenship? Just to make the discussion clearer.

East Asian. U.S. citizen (Taiwanese/Chinese-American)

I'm probably going to be making a big trip in the near future to Europe or Latin America. I haven't decided yet. I'll be back in Bangkok in the near(er) future though.

Right now i'm leaning more towards Latin America but i'm going to learn Spanish first and not run around the continent looking like a dickhole without a clue.

Europe is very intriguing though and there's a lot of stuff in both regions that I really want to see aside from chasing tail.

Mexico is a good place that you can get a good taste of in about 1 month.

You can see most of the good parts of the country in that period of time. I disagree with what others say and say that Mexico City is a must see. Spent some time on the west coast around Guadaljara and puerto vallarta. See the colonial cities in central/northern mexico like zacatecas, puebla, san miguel de allende. Then visit the more "native" Mexico (more Indian/native): Oaxaco, San Cristobal de las Casas, Palenque. See the south coast (puerto escondido, zipolite). Then finish with a slightly carribean atmosphere in veracruz.

This is a relatively small area. It's a good warmup, but i believe for an asian it woul be better in south america.

For europe, you can do an initial 2 month tour. get a eurail pass. Make sure not to miss parts of eastern europe as well.

[AnonymousAmerican]

And who have those degrees? The upper middle class (mostly white). The middle class kids will have student debt and start at the bottom along with the herd for a very slow rise in society, wherein their nominal wages will not rise in parity with cost-of-living and they will eventually be another house in the suburb with a mortgage with fading job security. Fact is even engineering or so STEM fields will not help the new generation as research is now moving abroad. Personally I give the science fields boom another 10 years or so.

Europe is the big leagues as it will be a quick drain in resources. Winston cannot fck with Europe, nor can many posters here due to costs associated with Europe. I'm not talking about a quick 3 week vacation, I'm talking about permanent relocation. Azora is a good example, if you still have his thread, please share.

About teaching ESL. Fact is that ESL teachers have a racial hierarchy -- this is a white man's game unfortunately. Ladislav has a post about this, and i've seen this happen. Minority guys do not have the fallback option of teaching ESL and the sooner they realize this.. well you know.

Regarding Sk8board with his cost-of-living, please don't mistake standard-of-living with quality-of-life. I am think he is doing much better at his current location. In the end we are not talking about dollar and cents here, but rather the unquantifiable which is whether you will be indeed happier abroad.

I am doing a stem major right now, and from what it looks like, I will get out of school with very low debt compared to my peers. I think with that being said, i can flee out of USA in a jiffy, since I will only stay once I get my professional engineering license.

[djfourmoney]

And who have those degrees? The upper middle class (mostly white). The middle class kids will have student debt and start at the bottom along with the herd for a very slow rise in society, wherein their nominal wages will not rise in parity with cost-of-living and they will eventually be another house in the suburb with a mortgage with fading job security. Fact is even engineering or so STEM fields will not help the new generation as research is now moving abroad. Personally I give the science fields boom another 10 years or so.

Europe is the big leagues as it will be a quick drain in resources. Winston cannot fck with Europe, nor can many posters here due to costs associated with Europe. I'm not talking about a quick 3 week vacation, I'm talking about permanent relocation. Azora is a good example, if you still have his thread, please share.

About teaching ESL. Fact is that ESL teachers have a racial hierarchy -- this is a white man's game unfortunately. Ladislav has a post about this, and i've seen this happen. Minority guys do not have the fallback option of teaching ESL and the sooner they realize this.. well you know.

Regarding Sk8board with his cost-of-living, please don't mistake standard-of-living with quality-of-life. I am think he is doing much better at his current location. In the end we are not talking about dollar and cents here, but rather the unquantifiable which is whether you will be indeed happier abroad.

Why do you believe ESL teachers have racial hierarchy and for White men? I'll have you know I have seen and heard Black men from America and the UK teach English in China and Brazil without any issues and get paid well. This is a false belief. I also know a Black man from America teaching English in Poland, he blogs about it.

He (Stephen) is doing better, but his standard of living is below that of the average American and leads him to have the views he does because its location, location, location. Let's just say he doesn't live in a posh suburb of Salvador... I will let him discuss where and how he lives and if that's a major or a minor improvement over his life in one of the biggest cities in America.

He is happier abroad; For one, he's married and (2) cost of living has been reduced by the value of 2:1. That said electronics and things we take for granted in America cost a ton. A BMW X5 cost 1.3 Million Reals.... IPhone 5 goes for $1200US. Large name brand flat screen TV's and laptop PC's are very expensive in Brazil due to import tariffs. Clothes are expensive and come from same places on the planet.

I have been deeply researching Brazil and I understand why its not a popular place in Latin America for expats.

I spent 45 days in Europe and I deem it affordable but maybe not at the level needed to bag HQ women unless you speak whatever the local language is or start your own business online.

You can get a decent apartment/flat in Berlin for about $500-$650US and it won't be too small. I found a job doing entry level IT for DHL that pays pretty well, it was in the Czech Republic. Rent in Prague is reasonable about $700US, you could spend less but being a former Soviet State, I wouldn't recommend it.

Like I said the about the link, its updated and current. Recommend European countries are Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, or Bulgaria.

No EU powerhouses are mentioned.

I wouldn't really recommend Hungary if you're not White, Non-Jewish. A right wing party has been elected and anti-Jewish rhetoric is very high at the moment.

If you're a risk taker, sex is cheap and widely available.

[Mr.Darcy]

Women will always win no strings attached/polygamous relationships. This is why there are so many single american men these days because the gaming board has changed. I kind of think of it as socialism/capitalism. In socialism, everybody benefits at least, but men still hold the power which is not a bad thing. In capitalism, only the few reap most of the benefits and a lot of men are left hanging.

[mguy]

Teaching English as a non-white man? You are battling odds. The world associates American with white. If you are not white then you have extra hurdles so things may not be as smooth for you.

Bar none: blue eyed blonde guy and African-american in any country outside Anglosphere -- see who gets dib ESL job. They dont care about equality, your color just markets you.

Maybe I'm wrong but it does sure like that from what I saw. The upstarts in the Philippines applying for a government grant -- all white!! Heck, the government markets these programs with whitey. There's even a study how angel ventures prefer white.

It's a sick world, but that's why we have threads like this.

[mguy]

And who have those degrees? The upper middle class (mostly white). The middle class kids will have student debt and start at the bottom along with the herd for a very slow rise in society, wherein their nominal wages will not rise in parity with cost-of-living and they will eventually be another house in the suburb with a mortgage with fading job security. Fact is even engineering or so STEM fields will not help the new generation as research is now moving abroad. Personally I give the science fields boom another 10 years or so.

Europe is the big leagues as it will be a quick drain in resources. Winston cannot fck with Europe, nor can many posters here due to costs associated with Europe. I'm not talking about a quick 3 week vacation, I'm talking about permanent relocation. Azora is a good example, if you still have his thread, please share.

About teaching ESL. Fact is that ESL teachers have a racial hierarchy -- this is a white man's game unfortunately. Ladislav has a post about this, and i've seen this happen. Minority guys do not have the fallback option of teaching ESL and the sooner they realize this.. well you know.

Regarding Sk8board with his cost-of-living, please don't mistake standard-of-living with quality-of-life. I am think he is doing much better at his current location. In the end we are not talking about dollar and cents here, but rather the unquantifiable which is whether you will be indeed happier abroad.

I am doing a stem major right now, and from what it looks like, I will get out of school with very low debt compared to my peers. I think with that being said, i can flee out of USA in a jiffy, since I will only stay once I get my professional engineering license.

Don't count on being able to crack it being an engineer these days for entry level. Unless you go to a top-tier school or have massive internships or were recruited. Truth is we are graduating more engineers than we need and we still max out Indian engineers with masters from US schools who are willing to work much less. Unemployment lines are always filled with engineers in my experience.

[skateboardstephen]

Teaching English as a non-white man? You are battling odds. The world associates American with white. If you are not white then you have extra hurdles so things may not be as smooth for you.

Bar none: blue eyed blonde guy and African-american in any country outside Anglosphere -- see who gets dib ESL job. They dont care about equality, your color just markets you.

Maybe I'm wrong but it does sure like that from what I saw. The upstarts in the Philippines applying for a government grant -- all white!! Heck, the government markets these programs with whitey. There's even a study how angel ventures prefer white.

It's a sick world, but that's why we have threads like this.

This does have some truth to it..like in Brazil under job adds they will put.."boas aparências por favor " which is code word for attractive and European...Every one thinks i am from Brazil..because they do associate American with being white..98% of the bums down here or underemployed are black..while when you go into any air conditioned office..or facy the hotel,the mall or government building the staff seems to all be bright,light and damn near white..to white.They will however let blacks put up the trash around the building..I am not saying it is hopeless here for blacks i know some with alright jobs..but as a whole...no i met a German chick that was hired for a job before she could even get the legal documents to work in the country..while i met a Dark skin black chick..who goes to school here..i think she is from some island..saint Martin i believe it's called...she has documentation but no luck finding work..she has been looking for about 7 months...

[Repatriate]

Color barriers exist but you have to make your own reality. Think about this..Brazilian-Japanese are a pretty successful minority group. They didn't sit there and try to ride the coattails of upper class whites who controlled everything or depend on them for breaks. They cliqued up and did the usual asian thing of becoming highly educated, hard working, and started their own businesses. I know quite a few of rich in Sao Paolo are Brazilian-Japanese in fact there's a documentary about these people. Yet brazilian-Japanese aren't like asian-americans who are afraid to branch out of their little groups. They intermarried and mingled with the Brazilians too.

That's successful assimilation. Just because you can't get some shitty ESL job then find other opportunities or game the system. Sitting around crying about whitey or whoever's color barrier doesn't fix much in the long run.

[kai1275]

Nice thread going on here. Very interesting stuff.

I will throw a few bones in too.

Teaching English in China while black? It's possible. some do well, some do not. It's luck and location dependent. As a whole Chinese schools typically require a white European looking person to teach English. This is VERY common knowledge. The reason why is this. The parents are dumb quite often, and will make demands for their money to be given back if they find out the teacher is not a white guy. Would you like to be told in Mandarin, "How can this black devil teach my son English! He is not white!" I read a story about a black English teacher in China getting chased out of a school by parents. You would be far far more likely to see this in a more rural area. If you teach English there, look for English teaching for grown people. Like at a training center if you can. The better paying ones for universities, etc. are tougher to get for any non-white person (asian/chinese included!).


As for that Engineer stuff, Mguy is right. Entry level engineers are a dime a dozen big time. Indian ones with masters are even more numerous. You better have had 3-5 internships before graduating from college before coming out and have at least around a 3.5GPA or you are in for a major surprise. Also do not hold your breath on getting a PE quickly either. You will need like 3-5 years at least of industry experience before you can even test for that credential. You will be waiting a while before going abroad if that is your plan. You might as well sow oats in the US and bring a wife back like I did if that PE means that much to you. I have alot of credentials and experience for what I do as an IT consultant, and that makes it alot tougher to just leave the US, just to get shitty ass pay in some other f***ed up country. My only realistic choices, are to go to another anglo country if I want to even have a chance of making similar or more money. If you get comfortable enough to get a PE, you might get stuck too. Quite the Catch 22 eh?

[Repatriate]

There's been a big decrease in well paid expat positions overseas especially in Asia because the skill gap is closing. There are a few articles about this situation in Hong Kong. Why would some multinational or even domestic corp. hire some white expat engineer for 2-3x the salary along with visa, cultural, and attitude problems when they can get an equivalently skilled local who studied abroad? You ever wonder where all those Chinese students with student visas go if they can't get a job in the U.S. ? They go back home right into those entry level jobs where their foreign degree carries some prestige.

I hear stories of people in China hiring white expats as meat puppets to show off how big time they are but the salaries aren't anything special. It's just face value and that novelty wears thin as corporations focus more on the bottom line and efficiency.

[mguy]

Nice thread going on here. Very interesting stuff.

I will throw a few bones in too.

Teaching English in China while black? It's possible. some do well, some do not. It's luck and location dependent. As a whole Chinese schools typically require a white European looking person to teach English. This is VERY common knowledge. The reason why is this. The parents are dumb quite often, and will make demands for their money to be given back if they find out the teacher is not a white guy. Would you like to be told in Mandarin, "How can this black devil teach my son English! He is not white!" I read a story about a black English teacher in China getting chased out of a school by parents. You would be far far more likely to see this in a more rural area. If you teach English there, look for English teaching for grown people. Like at a training center if you can. The better paying ones for universities, etc. are tougher to get for any non-white person (asian/chinese included!).


As for that Engineer stuff, Mguy is right. Entry level engineers are a dime a dozen big time. Indian ones with masters are even more numerous. You better have had 3-5 internships before graduating from college before coming out and have at least around a 3.5GPA or you are in for a major surprise. Also do not hold your breath on getting a PE quickly either. You will need like 3-5 years at least of industry experience before you can even test for that credential. You will be waiting a while before going abroad if that is your plan. You might as well sow oats in the US and bring a wife back like I did if that PE means that much to you. I have alot of credentials and experience for what I do as an IT consultant, and that makes it alot tougher to just leave the US, just to get shitty a** pay in some other f***ed up country. My only realistic choices, are to go to another anglo country if I want to even have a chance of making similar or more money. If you get comfortable enough to get a PE, you might get stuck too. Quite the Catch 22 eh?

Will you please add you ethnicity just for discussion sake.

Also as an IT consultant what are the odds of relocating to Europe say France or some other first world country outside the Anglo-sphere? Do they have enough scarcity there to need your skills. Why isnt that a popular option that isn't discussed..

[mguy]

Color barriers exist but you have to make your own reality. Think about this..Brazilian-Japanese are a pretty successful minority group. They didn't sit there and try to ride the coattails of upper class whites who controlled everything or depend on them for breaks. They cliqued up and did the usual asian thing of becoming highly educated, hard working, and started their own businesses. I know quite a few of rich in Sao Paolo are Brazilian-Japanese in fact there's a documentary about these people. Yet brazilian-Japanese aren't like asian-americans who are afraid to branch out of their little groups. They intermarried and mingled with the Brazilians too.

That's successful assimilation. Just because you can't get some shitty ESL job then find other opportunities or game the system. Sitting around crying about whitey or whoever's color barrier doesn't fix much in the long run.

We are not whining about it, at least I'm not. This is just something that is specific to a minority travel based thread. If it was color blind thread then a minority guy would think he would have the same success but life isn't so.

[Repatriate]

We are not whining about it, at least I'm not. This is just something that is specific to a minority travel based thread. If it was color blind thread then a minority guy would think he would have the same success but life isn't so.

Yeah but i'm just pointing out that there's a lot of negativity about something trivial like teaching ESL. A few posts up there are making it seem like it's a certainty you will fail if you try to get an ESL job as a non white. I know for absolute certainty that asians don't have problems getting those jobs in Thailand at least. You may get rejected for a few but there are so many jobs out there that it's not a big deal. I have enough ethnic asian friends teaching in Thailand to know that.