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MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.
Have you been trying to work in Europe? You don't have to have a second language in many parts of Asia.
I want to have job security and pay into a pension, and social benefits system. There's absolutely no reason someone would work in a "gig economy" (like the US) because it wouldn't do anything for them.
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November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
I expect an easy time improving my life at this point. I am honestly desperate and desperate people end up doing desperate things. If I had 50,000 or 100,000 then my life would be different and I could improve it.
Get a job then.
That's not advice. People don't get jobs, they get selected for jobs. No entrepreneur started at $0 (unless they got investors to give them startup money). People don't get jobs by applying anymore. It's about who they know. The only chance a person has to get a job is before they graduate a university. After that, if they don't have one, it's almost impossible to get one.
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Tsar where you at?
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Based on my trackers I think Tsar is still in México.

@Tsar did you change places or are you still living in the same hotel?
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wickedtraveller wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 12:49 am
Tsar where you at?
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@Voyager1 Why do you always want to attempt to learn my location? Why have you had an obsession with my posts and trying to track me since 2017?

It seems whenever I made controversial posts like "I love teen girls" or "Maybe I should start a drug business in Europe" you get out an IP Tracker?

Do you honestly think I care if you know my location?

@Voyager1 Are you going to contact Europol and say "There's a guy online that is contemplating starting a drug business because he's too poor to do anything and doesn't qualify for any sort of help. You should try to track him."

Then if they were to ask "Where does he live? How do you know this person?"

You say "He's homeless and I know him from the internet."

They will be laughing at you because it's a really unbelievable story.

Also, if I were able to spend a few years in most prisons of the wealthiest EU nations, I would consider myself lucky to get an apartment style cell all to myself without any worries about being homeless or having to pay for medical care or not eating enough because I am broke.

So what exactly are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think you could do with an IP address anyway?

I'm sure everyone wants to know.
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Tsar wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 2:12 am
wickedtraveller wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 12:49 am
Tsar where you at?
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@Voyager1 Why do you always want to attempt to learn my location? Why have you had an obsession with my posts and trying to track me since 2017?

It seems whenever I made controversial posts like "I love teen girls" or "Maybe I should start a drug business in Europe" you get out an IP Tracker?

Do you honestly think I care if you know my location? [/quoite]

You make it sounds rather ridiculous. Are you using the forum to blow off steam, or maybe 'troll' a bit and see what people's reactions are?
Also, if I were able to spend a few years in most prisons of the wealthiest EU nations, I would consider myself lucky to get an apartment style cell all to myself without any worries about being homeless or having to pay for medical care or not eating enough because I am broke.
You make it sound nice. They might serve French food. You might even pick up a foreign language.

But do they do the gay rape thing in EU prisons. That's not the way you want to lose your 'virginity.'

You mentioned getting a degree. Did you get one, or did I misunderstand?

Why don't you call a community college director or dean the last place you lived, or near your parents house and ask if there is funding for some short courses that they have set up interviews or an employment pipeline for to employers. I know of a community college that has that set up for manufacturing and cell phone tower installation/repair and a few other specialties, but only for people who live in the state or local area. This is in a different state from where I live, but it sounds pretty good for residents. See if your location has 'vocational rehab' or something like that to pay for college education if you don't have and want a degree. I know someone with health issues who got vocational rehab to pay for her last years of college education, but I think she may be drawing disability anyway now.

So what exactly are you hoping to accomplish? What do you think you could do with an IP address anyway?

If you cannot do something entrepreneurial that is legal and beneficial to others, get in one of the 'niches' already carved out for you in an industry like most people do-- take a job, sell real estate, or something. You might start flipping burgers to get a work history. If you are in Mexico now, you can try to find avenues to practice your Spanish.
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Tsar wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 12:08 am
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.
Have you been trying to work in Europe? You don't have to have a second language in many parts of Asia.
I want to have job security and pay into a pension, and social benefits system. There's absolutely no reason someone would work in a "gig economy" (like the US) because it wouldn't do anything for them.
I have reasonable job security for the next two years, and then, Lord willing, if I get tenure, two years for that I will have very strong job security. Otherwise, if I want to stay in the same field, I may have to get on the job market and start over if I want to stay in the same field.

I pay into a pension, not the traditional pension with a set salary no matter what because I wouldn't be paying in enough years to make it worthwhile, but there is a retirement program. I work in the US.

Maybe Europe has job security, pension, and a social benefits system, but the US has a lot more of what you are talking about than a lot of other countries.

If you don't try, and you don't apply, how are you going to get this? If you are homeless and do not have the wherewithal to apply, but you were able to live in Mexico. You could also apply for jobs in the US or EU from Mexico if you do it online.
That's not advice. People don't get jobs, they get selected for jobs. No entrepreneur started at $0 (unless they got investors to give them startup money). People don't get jobs by applying anymore. It's about who they know. The only chance a person has to get a job is before they graduate a university. After that, if they don't have one, it's almost impossible to get one.
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I found out about two jobs I got as a teen-- ringing a bell for the Salvation Army-- that I got through my sister who had applied to do the same thing. That is an actual job this time of year. Back then, it paid more than minimum wage, probably $8 or $9 in today's dollars. I got a gig for a short while doing office work through another teenage friend, also.

I think every other job I have gotten has been through a blind application process. I have had two full-time jobs in my current field. I did not count, but I believe I sent out more than 100 applications online for that first job. A classmate of mine in the program said he filled out about 100 applications. I think it was 5 interviews he got, 3 on-site interviews and one offer. The numbers have been similar for me. But I am in a niche field.

When I used to teach English, I'd get calls back all the time. I had this strange impression as a young man that jobs were very easy to get. I turned jobs down because they did not pay enough a lot in Indonesia, and for jobs in Korea, I'd ask about the hours, etc., and turn down split shifts that were too extreme or Saturday or whatever criteria I did not like. When I got to the US, I did have some difficulty finding a job, but it is possible to do it.

And if you think it is a matter of who you know, choose a field and get to know people in that field.

Here's a tip-- don't mention anything about teenage girls, sluts, or drugs in your cover letter or your interview. :D

Btw, there is probably some entrepreneur who started with a rag washing windows, went up to a proper sponge and squeegee on a stick, who eventually started a successful business doing something. I can think of someone who started rolling cigarettes (the legal, but still unhealthy kind) in his house who grew that until it became a multi-billion dollar family business.

If you have a degree, what is it in? The English teacher gig in Korea, the last I heard, was open to all graduates of 4-year bachelors degrees from English speaking countries. There are countries where you can do that. If you have a year or two of work history on a resume, doing anything, that's a start. If you have nothing, you can just say you had some health issues, which you did recently. Employers in the US may not pry about that. For all they know, you could have fallen into a coma since your last job. Going forward, try to have something covering every period of time on your resume. Owning a small business (an LLC on paper that does something as you need) could help.

Here is an idea, another poster said you got $1000 a month. I sold stuff at a trade show once. You know big cities have those arenas or whatever and they rent out venues to booths. You may have to pay $300 or $600 for a booth or whatever. This one guy had a booth selling kind of fruit tea he'd mixed up. It was hot, and he was near the front of one of the isles. They'd set us up with a fold up table. he had put a platform on top of that or used his raised table and had a table cloth there, and glasses of iced tea waiting for people. He'd ask the crowd, moving slowly through like they were standing in line, if they wanted some tea, and charged $3 a piece. Someone who worked there let slip that he could sell $5000 a day, at least one day there, in tea. Then the guy realized he shouldn't have shared that and clammed up when I asked for more details. His operation was a lot cheaper than mine to set up, just two guys, tea, something to mix it in, his fruit juice or whatever ingredients. He probably had to make runs for ice. We were there 3 days. The mark-up on tea would have to be high. I would not be surprised if he'd cleared $10-12K during that trade show.

Other trade shows there in my experience were not as crowded or profitable. But I only saw him at that one annual show.

A cotton candy machine costs about $100. Some cities have annual events. Some carnivals allow for outside vendors.

I used to by hot dogs off the street in a southern college town. A friend of mine worked for him in the 1990's. He could make $500 in sales in a day. There are lots of niches to work in if you can't find a job for someone else, as long as you can scrape up cash. But you can also go work fast food. They have signs all over the place in the US.
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Re: I am taking gsjackson's suggestion about drugs

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Cornfed wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 5:25 pm
rudder wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 5:21 pm
You know what would be better than online english teaching. Delivering online psychotherapy sessions. Just sit back and listen to people moan and whine, and say canned responses like, "I see" and my personal favorite, "but how did that make you feel?"

I figure Happier Abroaders would be great at it, because that's basically what you do all day on these forums anyway.
Yeah, you could just have a version of the ELIZA program running and modify that a bit, assuming that is not what people are already doing.
I believe most pyschotherapists are in fact cyborgs that have been programmed with ELIZA.
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MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:50 pm
Tsar wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 1:10 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 10:57 am
I agree with Huddo. Go get a job.

Another alternative is to get an education.
Tell me how either works?

Don't you think I tried to get a job for 10 years in America. I shouldn't have even bothered getting a degree in America because it turned out to be useless.

As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.
So you do have a degree? It may have changed, but for much of my career, if you had a four-year degree from an English-speaking country and you were a native speaker, especially if you had a white face, you could get a job teaching English in Korea rather easily. I did this in the mid-1990's for a year before going to a lower paying but what felt to me like the more adventurous and country of Indonesia (after many months in between in the US.) At the time, South Korea paid $1500 a month outside of Seoul and $1600 in Seoul. I managed to get $1600 a month outside of Seoul because I worked for a franchise of a school based in school.

You can check the pay on Dave's ESL Cafe at eslcafe.com. They have a Korean and China job board...or did. I don't know if China still has foreign English teachers. They were running them off. Competition in Korea might be a bit stiffer if that is the case, but it is worth looking into. Back when I was in Korea, Chinese jobs paid only $400 a month or so, and that was a large salary there. I heard one teacher got the special foreigner apartment at a university, and there was a toilet bowl in the kitchen. I have since seen a Chinese university apartment. It was a little small by US standards and the mattress felt like it was made of wood, but it was reasonably nice. That was for professors though, not English teachers with a bachelors. The last I checked, out of curiosity, South Korea was paying $2000 a month or so, maybe $2200. That was a few years back.

But the upside to the Korea gig is you get an apartment-- probably shared with one or two other people. Still, that removes housing from your expenses. I think it is typical that health insurance is included. You So basically, you work, and

I do not know about their COVID-19 regulations or if they are locked down. I wasn't able to get a job in Japan back when I was looking, before jobs on the Internet were really a thing back in the 1990's. Getting ESL/EFL jobs online became a thing probably while I was in Korea or the following year.

There are other countries that pay lower, but have lower costs of living. Again... there is COVID. Back around 2000, English First (EF) set up a deal with a master franchiser in Indonesia. Somehow, they were able to get fresh college grads willing to work for $700 a month for the experience of working abroad. It kind of ruined the salary market for a lot of us, but I managed to be selective and hold out for better paying jobs--though it meant excessively long unemployment overseas and eating up my savings once.

After (or before) school, South Korean children go to after hours programs to improve their English, math, etc. Business owners set up the schools. The English schools hire foreigners. The school I was at catered mostly to college students, but I had a couple of middle-aged professionals in my classes and a class of middle school students. The schedule is rough. If you teach high school students and adults, you might work 5 days a week, but a split shift where you teach morning and late classes. For me that meant not getting 8 hours of sleep while jetlagged. It took me a while to recover. The other alternative was teaching at a school that specializes on teaching little kids which is afternoons but includes a Saturday morning shift. That seemed to be the standard 26 years ago or so.

Teachers are respected in Korea due to Confucian cultural influence. So in a way it was a high status job. When I was there, salaries were low, and I was getting paid, I was told, what a starting engineer made. In real (inflation adjusted) terms, my salary was probably close to $3000 in today's dollars, but it is probably still a pretty decent gig since the salary is spending money if you get a job that provides the apartment and ticket home.

You seemed to express more interest in Russian-- thin pretty white girls. But I remember your expressing an interest in Asians. When I used to visit Seoul and stay with a friend in Kangnam, the place was densely packed with college-aged people. It seemed like there was an army of sevens there. There is an occasional 8 or 9 or whatever, but the 'average' girl was kind of good-looking, not just average, but maybe fewer that went to the higher end of the scale for looks in my opinion. But since the scale broke (due to the extra 30 pounds) in the US, my guess is the girls are even better looking by comparison to girls in the US, since they aren't so far.

Dating culture when I was there worked like this-- from age seven to high school, girls and boys go to different schools. I taught a mixed middle school class full of students. They were so uncomfortable, it was hard to get them to say a word (which is a problem in class in general, but many times worse.) They said high school students had to focus on their studies. Only the naughty ones had boyfriends/girlfriends. Then when they went to college, one of their 'seniors' (anyone a year older in the system they use to measure age) would match boys and girls up on 'meetings'-- basically a three-person blind date that included the person making the intro. Freshman might date several times in a week until they settled on a boyfriend/girlfriend.

My students asked me to meet them somewhere. They were actually setting me up with a student in my class-- who was short and petite, but had maybe a 9 or so for facial beauty. I didn't want to date my student and she was a Buddhist. I didn't see it working out long term, so I didn't pursue it.

Doing favors for people is part of Korean culture, and students will want to take you out to eat. It might be eating noodles with college students. You can ask students to match you up with people. A white friend of mine was married to a pretty younger Korean wife. She showed me a picture of a friend from her office. I wasn't attracted to her and turned her down. Later, they took me to an amusement part with her parents and nephew. Her friend was there with this absolute knockout other fellow co-worker. I said maybe I could just leave you to the kiddy rides and go with those two girls. My friend said I blew my chance when I shot one of them down for a 'meeting.' I couldn't speak Korean and he was my guide/interpreter, so there was no way out.

I did date a couple of girls when i was in Korea. 'International marriage' or dating was a big deal there back then, but I think it may be less so since rural farmers have been importing Vietnamese and Filippina brides.

Koreans tend to like to have similar levels of education between potential spouses. I suppose a man could have more education. I heard one of them say the man being three years older than the woman was optimal. If you took a job like that, a lot of your students might be in the 18 to 22 range for girls. If you don't want to date students, you could ask.. probably the male students... to set you up with friends. If you think higher education might offset an excessive age gap, you could tell them setting you up with non-college-educated girls is fine.

Anyway, that's just one possible scenario.
I don't have credit.

I tried that several years ago to sell clothing and I did make sales but it was nothing and someone had me shutdown. So that idea was crossed out.

I expect an easy time improving my life at this point. I am honestly desperate and desperate people end up doing desperate things. If I had 50,000 or 100,000 then my life would be different and I could improve it.
Getting a job at Burger King might be a little desperate, but it would also be legal.
When Americans were surveyed if they'd rather speak in front of an audience or die, they often chose death as their preference. Gee imagine only $1600 USD per month to do something worse than death! And to think most countries pay waaaay less than that!
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@MrMan I thought you lived and worked in Indonesia.

I don't really know if cotton candy is an everyday thing in other countries. I have seen a Kyrgyz girl eating it in a picture while she was in a park. I would try it abroad but I would probably need a license and if not somewhere I can legally work then I need a work visa.

Most of the things I would be really good at require SEED money and because it's:
1. Not tech
2. I am not a Jew
3. I am not a female

I can't get free money or investors.

If I want to work somewhere, I need to become a resident if I want to start a business.

I really am just thinking of getting a tent and a €2,000 solar panel charger for an kettle and phone, and just be outdoors most of the time.

There are places I can afford rent but I would need a lawyer to help me with the management of utilities and internet. But I can't get a job in those places.

In the places I could afford rent, I can't afford health insurance and I don't actually qualify because being a student is a requirement for the rent because it's relatively low but still would be 70%-80% of my money for rent.

Then in the places I could legally stay, I can't afford.

I am never going back to the US. It offers me nothing in life that I want.

I posted months ago that I am never leaving Europe again.

And my life is messed up because I lived in the worst possible place in America and because America is a schießer nation for anyone not in the Top 20% of either money or looks, not a Jew or Women or African or Queer, and not a tall charismatic steroid junkie. Also, I really don't feel comfortable in America as much I do it in other places.

It I was anywhere else in America during the most important years of my life then my life might have turned out differently.
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Re: I am taking gsjackson's suggestion about drugs

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MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:56 pm
You can also look up Russell Brunsen, buy one of his books and start thinking through ideas to sell something online. I would suggest going the WordPress route rather than using Click Funnels, but you can get a lot of ideas for how to sell something online from watching videos like that and brainstorming. There are so many ways out there to earn a living.

You could ask our resident truck driver if it is easy to get a job doing that with no work history, and sleep in the back of the cab?
I used to drive a truck too. Not very long ago, in fact. I much preferred staring at a road over staring at a computer screen. It wasn't bad for the most part, but I did have my wife with me, so it made things a lot easier.

BTW, nice write-up about TEFL in Asia. I dabbled in TEFL once before. Are you naturally an extroverted person? What you say about your students not hardly saying a word, kind of made me laugh. That would be extremely uncomfortable for most people. In my TEFL certificate course they taught us that we should teach class with an 80/20 method, where the students should be producing English 80% of the time, and you should only be explaining things 20% of the time. Still though, I taught some teenagers in South America, and they often would be too shy to speak up. The guys were kind of goofs, which is probably the same in most cultures. The girls were great though. They were so respectful, and I could tell they almost always tried to impress me. The best thing was to get them to do group work, and then I just hovered around and corrected the occasional mistake from time to time.

Still, I think group classes suck. So did online private classes to a degree. The best was just private one-on-one lessons in person. That's what I'm going to focus on in the future. Better yet, I'll just call myself a "tutor." That way, I won't have to even come up with lesson plans or anything. Just have the student show up with their homework and go over it together and talk to each other in English. The good thing about Latin American culture is that the students aren't usually too shy, and aren't too afraid to look silly when attempting to speak. I'm not sure how you'd handle one of those taciturn cultures like Japan, where students could write novels in English, but couldn't even talk to you about their day.
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Cornfed wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 8:15 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 8:08 pm
Cornfed wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 8:01 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
I don't remember every post, but I do remember some negativity. Could it be that you have talked yourself out of trying to succeed at even something small?
Could it be that you are confusing cause and effect.
You are another negative poster who constantly comes up with excuses for why things won't succeed instead of figuring out how to make something work.
I don't have anything to excuse and I am leading an OK life while all the morons at home are living under the covaids tyranny and living on borrowed time after taking their killshot. The fact is that we are not living in the 60s, so most or what you think are business opportunities are in fact stupid.
There are job opportunities out there for people who are starting at zero to at least get started with some kind of income and to start building a resume.
Rattling off random silly things without any particular thought behind them is a silly thing that boomers do when they are ready for the nearest dementia unit. it is annoying and stupid.
LOL. Man, who are you!? All your posts are freaking hilarious. This one also happens to be true for the most part. How old are you?

My parents are boomers and do exactly what you describe. My mom especially. If I talk about how I don't know what to do about something or what to do next, she'll almost always immediately throw out a "how about...?" suggestion. It drives me crazy, because she's a smart individual, but you can tell she's a product of her time who was always able to score a decent job sitting on her butt, just by being born in a certain time period and having a BA degree. BA degrees for people my age might as well just be a roll of toilet paper. She never had to worry about building her own business, identifying a market need, and then developing a plan to fill that need. I mean there's nothing inherently bad about any suggestions she throws out most of the time, but I myself could sit around all day throwing ideas at the wall, and not really have a clue about how to implement any of them, or if it would even be worthwhile to try.

The covaids thing is also a really big curveball for them. I don't think most boomers can even process that one on any meaningful level. Hence, most of them are being good little citizens and falling in line, while lining the pockets of big pharma, only to be shocked later to find out that their government would actually put them in harm's way. Do you know what a crapshoot this world is now for someone my age who is not already retired? Now you have to factor in some country closing it's borders and mandating intrusive, dangerous, genocidal medical procedures just to get from point A to point B. If this were only one decade ago, I wouldn't even hesitate to pack up my bags from the third world, and head back to my home country to keep working a job that has allowed me to invest abroad. Now you really have to weigh the potential risks and rewards.

Yep, them boomers are a pretty naive bunch. I don't think they can come to grips with the modern changes in their world, and are mostly unable to put themselves in the shoes of their children and grandchildren in any meaningful way so as to help them with the nuts and bolts of elaborating a successful life plan.
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Re: I am taking gsjackson's suggestion about drugs

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gsjackson wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 9:20 pm
rudder wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 5:09 pm
gsjackson wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 1:54 pm
Tsar wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 1:10 pm
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 10:57 am
I agree with Huddo. Go get a job.

Another alternative is to get an education.
Tell me how either works?

Don't you think I tried to get a job for 10 years in America. I shouldn't have even bothered getting a degree in America because it turned out to be useless.

As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.

I don't have credit.

I tried that several years ago to sell clothing and I did make sales but it was nothing and someone had me shutdown. So that idea was crossed out.

I expect an easy time improving my life at this point. I am honestly desperate and desperate people end up doing desperate things. If I had 50,000 or 100,000 then my life would be different and I could improve it.

Why is the internet gig economy something you don't even consider? You could go on Cambly right now and make $10/hr just for having conversations in English. You write well enough you could probably find some work free lance writing, which some people, who aren't necessarily talented writers, are making a killing with. Probably somewhere close to a majority of people now are shut out of the traditional get-a-job scene, not just you.
Where do you come up with $10 per hour on cambly? I went on and clicked on pricing, did the math, and it turns out from where I am, as a customer, you'd pay less than $10 per hour. That also doesn't factor in the fact that cambly undoubtedly takes their cut as the middle man. So what is left for the teacher is obviously going to be significantly less than $10.

Maybe it's just the country I'm accessing the website from? If I set my VPN to a more developed nation, will the pricing website show that it costs the customer significantly more than $10 per hour?
I don't know. I read $10.20/hr. for Cambly "tutors," and they all complain about how low the pay is.

Tsar, if you have a degree, and in many places in the U.S. even if you don't, you can substitute teach. You work whenever you want to, and as much as you want to, especially now that the scamdemic has dramatically lowered the pool of available subs and they are needed every day school is in session. Nothing is required. You just take attendance, give them their assignment, and then try to keep them from destroying the classroom. Pay tends to be in the $90-135/day range, and going up to attract more people. Fresno, California just raised pay to $207/day in desperation. The need is so great that you probably wouldn't need a car, because you could work enough just in the schools within walking distance.

And you don't need to work much anyway, since you have $1K/mo in passive income and don't operate a vehicle. Do you have any idea how hard some people work and save over many years to buy half a dozen rental properties and net $1K/mo?
Either way, thanks for pointing out the resource. Being a tutor is way better than being a teacher.

If he's going to substitute teach he should do it in a country where his female students like him. That won't be in the USA.

Man, that's $1k per month! Share the wealth, Tsar! That would be enough for me here to take care of all my living and farm expenses, and after a couple years it would be more than enough.
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Tsar wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 12:08 am
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.
Have you been trying to work in Europe? You don't have to have a second language in many parts of Asia.
I want to have job security and pay into a pension, and social benefits system. There's absolutely no reason someone would work in a "gig economy" (like the US) because it wouldn't do anything for them.
Now you're starting to sound like a boomer. You don't need pension, because you won't hold a job for more than a couple years anyway. Once I thought I should work at the post office, because I wanted all that same stuff. Then I started and my manager had a very abrasive personality, so I only lasted for two weeks after jumping through all their bureacratic hoops just to land the unstable job position, which wouldn't even turn into a full time position for X number of years.

I tried working at UPS for the same reasons as the entry level dock worker position. It was the holidays. Start times were Monday 12:30am. Tuesday 1:00am, Wednesday 1:15am, Thursday 12:45am, etc. Mountains of packages, unreasonable expectations, supervisors breathing down your neck criticizing everything, sleep deprivation. It was a nightmare. I couldn't make it until Christmas. The driver helper position was fun though, but that's only a temporary position. Maybe you should just do that for the holidays to make a quick buck.
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rudder wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 10:02 am
When Americans were surveyed if they'd rather speak in front of an audience or die, they often chose death as their preference. Gee imagine only $1600 USD per month to do something worse than death! And to think most countries pay waaaay less than that!
I looked online and $1600 when I started work in South Korea was $2903 or so in today's dollars. Housing, travel to and from, and insurance was taken care of. I came home, paid off my student loan debts, and bought a car.

A lot of English teachers were making up to $35 an hour teaching extra private courses, too. I did not even mention that. One American English teacher I had met in South Korea worked in Japan for a year and went back to the US and bought a house with his earnings.

But the English school salary plus housing is not that bad if you compare it with being homeless or paying rent out of $1000 a month.

This site says the average studio rents for $1691 in the US https://www.rent.com/research/national- ... -analysis/ if I skimmed it right. I must live in a below average rent area. It's $2017 for a three bedroom. That comes out to about $672 a month if you share with two roommates. And the pay is around $2,000 a month plus housing and benefits now, not

These jobs, for example, pay around $2000 a month, typically with housing, medical, and some have a pension program.
https://www.eslcafe.com/postajob-detail ... lpagesize=

It's not a bad job for someone single who wants to live overseas. The classroom hours are (or were) 20 to 25 classroom hours a week. If you get a teacher's manual for the book and study carefully and plan it out, the manual gives you a lot of ideas for teaching the class.

When I was there, it was pretty easy to make friends with students, and some of the expats there are looking for expat friends to hang out with. I should say 'foreigner' since that is (or was) the term used there rather than expat.

Some of the jobs in that list are looking for MA TESOL or teaching certificates.

You may be right about $1600, because this job pays around $1692, but seems to have a lower threshold for qualifications:
https://www.eslcafe.com/postajob-detail ... lpagesize=

So let's add even the very low-end $1692 salary to the $672 and you get$ 2364. Times 12 is $28K. At the low end of the normal 2.3 to 2.5 million won pay range, with that housing figure, it would be the equivalent of $31404 a year. That's not great, but it beats being homeless, and it beats $1000 a month. It brings a single man to a point where he can save money. Private lessons could double or triple earnings, too. And it is quite an experience. To get a better idea, you have to figure in South Korean tax rates. I think it would be 15% of taxable income, but with on exemption, and I do not know that worked. I think they cut a little out of my check.

I just read online they usually take 3 to 5% out of a teacher's check. This is a page on some of the prices of food there that appears to be from last year. https://www.globalprice.info/en/?p=sout ... s-in-korea

If you are comparing no job or comparing $1000 a month versus working in South Korea as an English teacher, you end up with more as the English teacher without the side income for private classes.

Americans can also exempt up to some amount around $90K of overseas earned income on their US taxes. But if Biden is doling out the cash or there is some other benefit at that income range, exempting taxes paid to South Korea is another choice that might not exempt one from getting tax refunds back.

When I was last considering international job possibilities, I would run a spreadsheet comparing job and cost of living scenarios to the US, subtracting out housing costs and taxes at each location.

ESL money was okay for me until I got to the point where I had two of my kids kids that I wanted to give an English-language education and one of them had started preschool. I went back to grad school at that point, for a number of reasons.

The money is fine for a single person.. It's also probably a lot less depressing than camping out in a motel in a foreign country not meeting people for the 'happier abroad' experience. It is not hard to make friends with the students. A lot of the students who study English like to know what it is like in a foreign country, to practice their English. There might be a pretty girl in the class who likes her teacher. (By girl, I am thinking of college students. Some might actually still be teens, which is Tsar's thing.) If not, it is (or was) their culture to match people up on blind dates. It isn't for everyone. One would have to be adventurous and flexible to live abroad, be professional, and reasonably articulate.

Standing in front of a classroom is unnerving. I had almost forgotten about that. I had a part-time job where I had to make presentations. I could feel my heartbeat and my throat closing up practicing my presentation in front of five or so co-workers, and gradually got over the stage fright. I had just a little left when I started in the classroom.

Since then, I have spoken in front of as many as 500 or so people, present in the room, without feeling that feeling. I do not feel stage fright when I teach classes nowadays. That can be scary for some people, but it can diminish if you do it often.

The split schedule was tough, especially during jet lag recovery. But there is plenty of time during the day for a teacher to do something productive like do an online business or teach English to someone, or learn computer programming, learn Korean, date a college student, etc. If Tsar can get his head on right about girls, his desires, his motivation, etc., this kind of job might push him into a situation where he could easily have a bit of a social life.

There is also something about status, standing up in front of the class and teaching people, especially in a teacher-honoring culture, that might give him a little status in some girl's eyes over there, maybe a nice sweet virgin girl, legal, but on the young side. I am not sure how likely it is for a Korean girls parents to be down with her marrying a foreigner, but a number of English teachers...and soldiers... over there have married Koreans.
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Re: I am taking gsjackson's suggestion about drugs

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rudder wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 11:58 am
Tsar wrote:
November 17th, 2021, 12:08 am
MrMan wrote:
November 16th, 2021, 7:55 pm
As for other places, most users told me without a second language I am not getting a job.
Have you been trying to work in Europe? You don't have to have a second language in many parts of Asia.
I want to have job security and pay into a pension, and social benefits system. There's absolutely no reason someone would work in a "gig economy" (like the US) because it wouldn't do anything for them.
Now you're starting to sound like a boomer. You don't need pension, because you won't hold a job for more than a couple years anyway. Once I thought I should work at the post office, because I wanted all that same stuff. Then I started and my manager had a very abrasive personality, so I only lasted for two weeks after jumping through all their bureacratic hoops just to land the unstable job position, which wouldn't even turn into a full time position for X number of years.

I tried working at UPS for the same reasons as the entry level dock worker position. It was the holidays. Start times were Monday 12:30am. Tuesday 1:00am, Wednesday 1:15am, Thursday 12:45am, etc. Mountains of packages, unreasonable expectations, supervisors breathing down your neck criticizing everything, sleep deprivation. It was a nightmare. I couldn't make it until Christmas. The driver helper position was fun though, but that's only a temporary position. Maybe you should just do that for the holidays to make a quick buck.
A lot of people have 401Ks and other number-coded retirement plans that they can take with them from one employer to the next, or add them to the other employers investment plan. The defined benefit plan where you make X% of your salary based on your highest so many years of earnings and years of service makes sense for state jobs if you get in there young. But it does not give you as much freedom to job hop, and if a company gives you that kind of deal, they could go bankrupt, anyway.
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