Being a "Nice Guy" Actually Does Work...

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Lucas88

Yep... women likes men with masculine energy. It has been that way for several thousands of years. However, they couldn't find that kind of energy in average men nowadays because of all the feminist, socialist, nanny state brainwashing in the West.

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

Being a nice guy is just icing on the cake. It is not the "end all" magic bullet to get women in bed.

[Cornfed]

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

No it is more about them being dumbasses the females associate with entertainment now. The unstableness is part of that. Any masculine energy they have is just a coincidence. Skanks are into experiences with lesbians and dogs who don't have much masculine energy.

[fschmidt]

No it is more about them being dumbasses the females associate with entertainment now. The unstableness is part of that. Any masculine energy they have is just a coincidence. Skanks are into experiences with lesbians and dogs who don't have much masculine energy.

Yes of course. The "masculine energy" thing is utter bullshit in modern culture. No western woman today wants John Wayne. They prefer effeminate degenerates.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Cornfed
@fschmidt

It's just my speculation..I could be wrong. Ameriskanks are very fickle creatures indeed.
Yeah I agree.. nowadays it seems that western skanks are also into pet dogs & cats and being lesbians.
I've seen many Skanks buying up several cats and dogs because they are cute or they might be into some bestiality.
Either way... Being a nice guy won't work and it will leave you into simp zone, friendzone, beta orbital, or whatever..
100% guaranteed.

[Outcast9428]

Either way... Being a nice guy won't work and it will leave you into simp zone, friendzone, beta orbital, or whatever..
100% guaranteed.

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know. I can say for a fact that good men have a fighting chance of winning a girl over in the Southern states, if they go for church girls they especially have a pretty good chance.

I knew one guy who was really ugly, nerdy, honestly didn’t have much going for him in an objective sense and he got a beautiful Mennonite girlfriend. I also knew one very religious girl at my former college who was successfully able to resist the pull of degeneracy and disliked the bad boy types at my college, even the ones who were very attractive on an objective level. She instead chose to date a typical shy nice guy type.

There are girls out there who like that kind of guy, and they aren’t as hard to find as people think they are. Although I’m not pretending it is easy.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Cornfed
@fschmidt

It's just my speculation..I could be wrong. Ameriskanks are very fickle creatures indeed.
Yeah I agree.. nowadays it seems that western skanks are also into pet dogs & cats and being lesbians.
I've seen many Skanks buying up several cats and dogs because they are cute or they might be into some bestiality.
Either way... Being a nice guy won't work and it will leave you into simp zone, friendzone, beta orbital, or whatever..
100% guaranteed.

That depends on the race of women, because black women aren't interested in f***ing animals. That kind of shit is what WHITE WOMEN DO. So when people say Western, they are generalizing a bit much because you won't find too many black or even Asian American women f***ing their cats and dogs, hell even latino girls don't even really do that. White women 90% of the time are the only ones that get off on that. hell there are even loads of articles and true stories about attractive white female teachers in their 20s having sex with their underage students. White women don't give a shit. I seen images of some of the finest looking white female teachers in their 20s who were involved in some scandal with a student. But you rarely found stories about black, Asian, or even Hispanic female teachers doing any of that stuff. Sometimes you would but it was 90% of the time some young white female teacher or teacher in her 30s. And a lot of the women who are going Lesbian aren't very attractive to begin with since most Lesbian women are ugly. I use to run into black lesbian women all the time and goddamn they were ugly...They were usually fat with their hair cut almost bald. and tried their hardest to look like men. Sort of like the masculine roles Queen Latifah was always portraying, that's how the majority of them actually acted and looked

[Cornfed]

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know.

So if something you deem good happens to you, that means whatever you happen to be doing at the time is "working"? That's retarded.

[fschmidt]

Either way... Being a nice guy won't work and it will leave you into simp zone, friendzone, beta orbital, or whatever..
100% guaranteed.

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know.

Yes, only 99.9% guaranteed. Far better to look outside the West.

[Outcast9428]

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know.

So if something you deem good happens to you, that means whatever you happen to be doing at the time is "working"? That's retarded.

Not just because it’s working for me, I know several other people in real life whom it is working for as well.

[Lucas88]

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know.

So if something you deem good happens to you, that means whatever you happen to be doing at the time is "working"? That's retarded.

Yep, that's (((Outcast))) all over: retarded delusional solipsist who assumes that his own subjective experiences and assumptions constitute universal objective truth and that everyone else is either wrong or a liar or otherwise too dumb to understand. Lol!

[Outcast9428]

Not 100% guaranteed since it is working for me along with other people I know.

So if something you deem good happens to you, that means whatever you happen to be doing at the time is "working"? That's retarded.

Yep, that's (((Outcast))) all over: retarded delusional solipsist who assumes that his own subjective experiences and assumptions constitute universal objective truth and that everyone else is either wrong or a liar or otherwise too dumb to understand. Lol!

The only argument I’ve made is that in the Southern US states, it will work on some girls. I didn’t say most, and I didn’t claim to speak for the whole country, or the whole world. I said in the Southern US states, nice guys have a chance because some girls are into that… Especially church girls… So what’s your position? No it never works ever? That’s a pretty tough position to defend especially since the burden of proof for that position is very high.

[Cornfed]

It's his only crime

Other than promoting feminism/Satanism while pretending to be conservative.

[Tsar]

I disagree. It works for guys lucky enough to defy statistical probability and get a very uncommon outcome. Much like beating the odds and winning a lottery.

The way that I understand human nature and reality is that people can't be weak.

Men must be assertive. There cannot be equality in a relationship, one person must be dominant as in the leader of the relationship, and the other submissive as in a follow. A man must be a King. He'll listen to the suggestions or advice of his Queen Consort, buy he doesn't bow to her commands.

Likewise, being nice to everyone isn't a good idea. Imagine someone effectively says to your face, an insult about you, in front of your girl. Or someone says something disrespectful to your girl, either because it's sexually suggestive or impolite. Either you must be assertive and respond, or have a bodyguard or thug you're friends with (or on your payroll) willing to attack on your command so you can keep your hands clean but still display some aggression.

Men cannot be weak or meek. That's not how the natural world works. The strong should help the weak, but if nice equals weakness, then I understand why nice guys often get rejected.

Girls want to know a guy can be assertive and can be dominant. That he can say no, draw lines in the sand, will stand up to her if she gets out of line, and is willing to breakup with her if she crosses certain lines. She wants to know he can defend her and himself, at least in some contexts.

Can girls sometimes accept nice guys that are weak or meek, or both? Sure but that's a tiny percentage that's extremely rare because it's not typical programming for how girls are wired.

Girls can like some qualities that the stereotype "Nice Guy" has, but those aren't specific to "nice guys" because they're traits.

"Nice Guy" is a stereotype. Most girls won't like the stereotype in reality.

Girls might like "a guy that is nice" because "a guy that is nice" can also have assertive and dominant traits.

Bad boy is also a stereotype.

Maybe girls go for bad boys not because they're bad but because they go for what they want, are often more assertive, and are more bold.

Sure, many can be bad choices, but the girls are probably drawn to the traits.

I assume that girls would typically prefer a guy who has the best traits of a stereotype nice guy with the best traits of a stereotype bad boy.

The mistake that modern society makes is telling guys too be weak, meek, docile, always ask for permission, to always care about a girl's feelings, and to effectively be more of her knight instead of her king. It teaches boys that they should win a girl, like they're lesser, and have to prove something to a girl.

Girls don't care about guys who are trying to prove that they're worthy of her. Girls want a guy who genuinely believes that he's already worthy.

I think a "balanced guy" is what girls want most. They more often choose a bad boy instead of a nice guy because there's not too many people who understand human nature.

Most gentleman by historic standards weren't nice guys as seen today. Gentleman were respectable, noble, and had a sense of honor but they weren't meek, weak, or timid. They could command and control a woman because he was a patriarch. Today's men, especially nice guys, don't often have the strength of historic men.

The best comparison would be an MMORPG game. In the latest patch, the system is reworked, and now, playing on the standard class settings of "Nice Guy" and "Bad Boy" were broken. Nice guy would often win as the default because the system was designed for respectable guys, and Nice Guys are obviously more respectable. However, a Patch that changes the combat system or a system rules, made the Bad Boys more powerful as the default. Obviously, customizable character classes will be much better. However, most people are somewhat lazy so they play on default classes and the standard paths of progression for their pre-set character class.

Everything in life is just a game or a recipe. It can be broken down to basic elements and compounds and formulas and principles. The sooner people realize everything is just a game or can be broken down to it's basic forms, the more they can begin to understand how everything works and why.

I long thought about building everything up, but then I decided to think about breaking everything down, and then I thought about other things. I think that changing perspectives is necessary to see the greatest truths of reality.

Stereotypes can be statistically accurate but a more accurate system would be to just use statistics, sociology, economics, sociocultural factors, psychology, and other information to create a scientific approach to identify and predict behaviors, successes and failures, and what is responsible for those successes and failures.

Another reason is desperation. If a guy seems too desperate, most girls would find that a turnoff. Girls aren't like guys. A guy will often think it's great he doesn't have competition. A girl will feel more special if a guy chooses her over other girls. She'll feel that she was special enough to win his heart and charm him. Some guys might feel some sense of achievement if they win a girl that had a lot of competition, but for the majority of guys, they wouldn't care and competition isn't necessary. A guy can feel happy and special just being with a beautiful girl. Girls often compete for a guy that's already taken because they want to win his affection and because he's also been vetted as being desirable. It doesn't work for all guys, but for many, it does work, where being taken increases the probability of girls having more desire to be with a guy.

Human nature is science.

According to Wikipedia, these are the traits of a "Nice Guy"

A man who is agreeable, gentle, compassionate, sensitive and vulnerable. A man who puts the needs of others before his own, avoids confrontations, does favors, provides emotional support, tries to stay out of trouble, and generally acts nicely towards others. In the context of a relationship, it may also refer to traits of honesty, loyalty, romanticism, courtesy, and respect. When used negatively, a nice guy implies a man who is unassertive or otherwise "non-masculine".

None of those things are applicable to only a "Nice Guy" and everyone knows that most girls don't want what they say they want.

Let's break it down:
Agreeable: Too agreeable means you're a pushover
Gentle: Too gentle means you can't do necessary aggression
Sensitive: You can't be too sensitive because girls don't want a whiny guy or crybaby
Vulnerable: Girls can enjoy that, especially because girls have a nurturing instinct deep inside and vulnerability increases trust
Putting Others Needs Before Your Own: Well, I don't do this! My needs come first. If other people want to be a sacrificial Nice Guy, sure, let them, but I am not a Nice Guy. My needs are #1. Girls like a guy who is willing to be #1 and a leader. She should know she needs to stick with him and earn her place beside him.
Avoids confrontations: A guy can't avoid every confrontation, sometimes it's important to know when to fight.
Does favors: Some favors are okay, but the favors need reciprocation. Anyone who does favors without getting rewarded is either a simp, loser, or loves getting used and taken advantage of. A man cannot be too willing to do favors for girls, but also got anyone.
Provides emotional support: Sure, if there's a genuine friendship or a genuine relationship. But if it's just any random girl you are acquainted with or a girl that friend zoned you, and she continues to have breakups or complain, then just drop her. She can find another shoulder to cry on because she's probably happy to have a soap opera life. You're contributing to her lifestyle as a drama queen on a soap opera. Nice guys typically do that and wonder why things don't work out for them.
Tries to stay out of trouble: Trouble? As in what? Sure, you shouldn't go vandalizing, starting unprovoked fights, or speeding down roads. You shouldn't go drunk driving or anything. But if a guy is obsessed with rules and following every arbitrary illegitimate laws that governments make, then they're just not fun or dominant enough. Sometimes people must break laws, cheat, and risk trouble for success. Girls want a guy that's willing to risk getting in trouble to win because girls want a winner, girls don't want a loser.
Acts nicely towards others: Respect goes two ways. If someone isn't nice, then a guy shouldn't be nice to another person who isn't nice. Reciprocity!

The romantic traits of honesty, loyalty, romanticism, courtesy, and respect should be found on any relationship. Any respectable person has those traits.

So, considering all the traits aren't applicable to "Nice Guys" then it's definitely true that more often than not, a "Nice Guy" comes down to one negative trait: unassertive.

Unassertive also implies submissive. A submissive guy isn't dominant. Therefore, the guy isn't masculine enough because a girl wants a guy that's willing to be assertive.

Some of the other "Nice Guy" traits if too extreme would also make a guy a pushover.

Therefore, it's easy to see why "Nice Guys" aren't able to get most girls. It's because they don't understand human nature and all it's nuances and the true nature of females. They can't act like a White Knight Loser that simps for girls and constantly treats all girls like Queens. A guy shouldn't be a Prince Charming unless the girl proves she's a princess and then says yes to a real relationship.

Girls want a challenge and to know a guy isn't desperate and to feel like they won him over.

Society has been teaching guys that it's guys who need to win over a girl, but that is desperation. A guy doesn't need to win over a girl, he just needs to get her to fall for him, and that happens with time and using the correct psychological strategy for the girl and the strategy can be determined by statistics, demographics, her socioeconomic background, culture, and nationality.

Getting a girl as a "Nice Guy" isn't a strategy for a high probability of success. At best, it's maybe a 1% odds. Younger guys who have it work or guys who get girlfriends that are under 21-22 could be considered lucky and statistical outliers because they managed to fall outside the majority of the overall population. At least 95% of people won't have any success with just being a "Nice Guy" because let's face it, the majority of true Incels are "Nice Guys" and they prove "Nice Guys" most often lose.

Sure, maybe at higher age brackets, a 30 year old woman will find it more appealing because she's desperate to find a Beta Bucks Provider Baby Daddy to "settle down" with, and yes, she is settling, and the guy would be a Cuck for accepting a Cock Carousel Cum Dumpster Slut. If a guy wins as a "Nice Guy" in this paragraph's scenario, then he's a Loser! She wants a "Nice Guy" because she's being selfish and wants the best provider, at least for several years until the most probably divorce happens because she is a Slut incapable of love, bonding, or any sort of loyalty, and she doesn't respect her weak loser Cuck of a Beta Bucks husband.

I would suggest guys be a Balanced Guy, not a Nice Guy, because Balanced Guys are typically the most successful with girls.

In reality, most girls choose Bad Boys over Nice Guys, purely because they appeal to the nature of young females more than Nice Guys.

Nice Guys should change and become more Balanced Guys who acquire traits that appeal more to females.

[Cornfed]

Other than promoting feminism/Satanism while pretending to be conservative.

Honestly anyone here who doesn't have at least 5 kids and rules over his clan with the iron will of a Taliban warlord is just a phony at this point.

That's a silly arbitrary qualification. Most of us were never in a position to do that.

[Lucas88]

Yep... women likes men with masculine energy. It has been that way for several thousands of years. However, they couldn't find that kind of energy in average men nowadays because of all the feminist, socialist, nanny state brainwashing in the West.

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

Being a nice guy is just icing on the cake. It is not the "end all" magic bullet to get women in bed.

There are probably multiple reasons for which a subset of women go after thugs, gangbangers and "bad boys". Social phenomena are rarely reducible to one single factor.

I grew up in a bit of a rough town and so I've observed quite a few bad boys and wannabe thug types from afar.

I think that the first reason for the attraction of some thug-lovers is because those women are into the same lifestyle. Those guys aren't always just posing around acting tough. They're giving those girls drugs and thereby facilitating their hedonistic escapades. Yes, drugs are a major problem here in the UK. Even in my small humble town people are taking drugs in pubs at the weekend. Dealers are everywhere. Some druggy criminal types use the offer of drugs to entice drug-using females and drug-using females in turn date those guys for easy access to drugs. Let's be clear. This class of females is garbage. They're ghetto druggy trash hooking up with other druggies.

Then I think that the toxic media has a negative effect. In recent decades we've seen the elevation of "rap music" and all of those videos on MTV that glorify the "gangsta" lifestyle and try to make it look "cool". Teenagers and young adults then emulate this lifestyle in order to fit in. Of course, this kind of masculinity is completely denatured. The message is that a real man is a sociopathic thug who only cares about money, fast cars and "street cred", is involved in crime, takes drugs and pimps "hoes". This completely skewed ideal of masculinity is obviously a product of social engineering in order to ruin many Gentiles, especially those who come from impoverished communities. (((They))) want many of us hooked on drugs, dumb as shit, doped up on weed 24/7 and killing each other over dumb shit. But, as I was saying, teenage girls have been conditioned to associate that toxic lifestyle with proper masculinity as well as coolness and so they seek out thuggish guys.

After that, I think that there could be another subset of women who go after bad boys because they seem to be one of the few groups of men displaying any kind of masculinity at all these days. With healthy and authentic forms of masculinity in decline and so many completely pussified and unmasculine "men" everywhere, it follows that some women would prefer a masculine bad boy despite his toxicity over a nice but pussified dweeb. I guess they'd rather take a chance with the masculine bad boy despite the potential risks simply because the other option is so unappealing. In fact, I've heard some women talk about this. They say that they are only attracted to masculine guys and are repulsed by unmasculine guys (I don't blame them). So, if a large portion of guys are now unmasculine, those girls don't have many viable options outside of bad boys, as potentially risky as that may be.

Finally, of course, there are psychological reasons like hybristophilia.

The social engineers are trying to distort healthy masculinity by simultaneously pushing it towards two extremes. On the one hand we have the completely pussified unmasculine dweeb with no warrior spirit and no will to fight back and on the other hand the delinquent thug whose only aspirations are to commit crime, take drugs and engage in the most idiotic senseless bullshit.