Why MGTOW is gaining

[Adama]

One last thing about avoidance of the gov. You know, cause it is plotting to take away everything you have. Let me ask you this: DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CONVINCED YOU TO SIMPLY DO IT YOURSELF? Cause that's exactly what your submission to this movement is. You're giving them exactly what you say they want. In the end, that is the same.

What does it matter when you die? If you die at age 88 or today, does it make much difference to the gov? No. Why not? Well maybe they would prefer you died before you made children. But you're going to die without children. Therefore there is no need to bother trying to punish you for having children. They've already convinced you that it is too dangerous to bother. Those other men they punished served as the warning for you to stay away, and it worked.

This is similar to the way behavior is discouraged by authorities. Make it known that the penalty for a particular activity is death and execute a few people in public for it. The other commoners will think twice before they go out and do that same activity.

Yes, you're a sucker. Congratulations. If you aren't awake now, you may never come to the knowledge of the truth, cause I just flat out explained it to you.

[Yohan]

If you truly believed God was real, this is the last thing you'd be worried about. A man who believes in God is under God's protection. If God is for us...

This is nothing but fantasy out of human brain, we know today through deep research into nuclear matters, that God likely does not exist.

What humans cannot explain is considered 'made by God', but nowadays there is more and more what humans can explain and the existence of a God is becoming more and more unlikely.

Buddhism seems to be the only way for a religion in future, as a 'God' does not exist in its teachings.

[Adama]

... so MGTOW have figured out that the government is against men. MGTOW says that they can declare victory against the government by simply avoiding women. But wait a minute. Do you think the government is incapable of circumventing your escape plans? Do you think marriage and divorce is the limit of the government's power? Do you think the government will simply stop there, if only we are able to stay away from women?
Do you think that is a little naive?

As a fact, various governments acknowledge the existence of MGTOW. - USA for example created IMBRA, to make it more difficult to bring foreign women for marriage into USA.

Other governments, for example Germany changed a few years ago family law regarding divorce/alimony in favor to men despite strong resistance of feminists.

To avoid women and a family with children as a form of passive resistance clearly works, just look up the figures of declining marriages and of declining birth rates.

It is not impossible for any government to circumvent escape plans, but it is much easier to trap married men or divorced men with children etc. than to trap single men without any obligation.

Men can be forced to pay alimony and child support over decades, if a female partner (not even married) and children (not even his biological children) do exist.

It is much more difficult if such a situation does not even exist, especially if you relocated to abroad and settle down with a foreign woman.

I am from Europe, but away from this feminist ideal because of MGTOW since almost 40 years, I never regretted it.

Hmm, okay. Well, let's see. Weren't you 25 years old when you married your Japanese wife? Do you not have two children?

What is MGTOW going to be for the rest of these men (suckers)? No wife. No children. Few people are going to move to Japan or out of the USA. That is unrealistic.

The whole issue is moot anyway. MGTOW like to pretend this is about the legal system when it isnt. It is about their ability to get laid. The average MGTOW is one BJ away from being manginas. There is no difference. Just one gets women, the other doesnt. If they were getting women, they wouldnt give two cares about the legal system, and everybody knows it!

[Eightfold Path]

The whole issue is moot anyway. MGTOW like to pretend this is about the legal system when it isnt. It is about their ability to get laid. The average MGTOW is one BJ away from being manginas. There is no difference. Just one gets women, the other doesnt. If they were getting women, they wouldnt give two cares about the legal system, and everybody knows it!

Something sensible. Finally.

[Yohan]

Hmm, okay. Well, let's see. Weren't you 25 years old when you married your Japanese wife? Do you not have two children?
What is MGTOW going to be for the rest of these men (suckers)? No wife. No children. Few people are going to move to Japan or out of the USA. That is unrealistic.

The whole issue is moot anyway. MGTOW like to pretend this is about the legal system when it isnt. It is about their ability to get laid. The average MGTOW is one BJ away from being manginas. There is no difference. Just one gets women, the other doesnt. If they were getting women, they wouldnt give two cares about the legal system, and everybody knows it!

Yes, I was about 25 years old when finally relocating. Yes, I have 2 daughters 50/50 Europe/Japan and 1 fosterdaughter Filipina. All are now adults already.

To move out of USA, why should it be unrealistic? USA is made out of immigrants who entered the States because USA was offering them a better life than their country of origin. Why should US citizen not do the same? To relocate to places where it is better for them than in USA? What is wrong with that?

The legal situation biased against men in Western countries plays a major role, as in case of problems in a relationship with a woman it is always the man who is kept responsible. No wife, no children? Are you serious? What is the meaning of marriage if this contract is ending up to 70 percent in divorce with huge financial obligations for the ex-husband? What is the meaning of children if father's rights do not exist?

The other reason is about the behavior of Western females, who are openly misusing the Western system which favors them.
It is possible to refuse sex with your husband while at the same time keep a sexual relationship with a boyfriend. Pregnant from him, no problem carry the child out, tell the husband he is the father. or go for an abortion. If the husband makes problems kick him out of his own house, no fault divorce whatever you do as a woman. Problems again? Just claim abuse, no need to prove anything.

MGTOW are not willing to sign such a contract, better stay away from Western females, and why? Because you cannot trust them, and about this argument 'not all women are like that', how do you know who is who?

About MGTOW and women - there is no problem to get women, it's easy - get on an airplane, who says these women must be women living to you next door? MGTOW are not against women, but against feminism.

You cannot compare MGTOW and the mangina, check out the history of super-mangina and male feminist Hugo Schwyzer and you will see the difference.

[Eightfold Path]

Except, MGTOW are willing to sign the contract, Yohan. It's just that their options aren't what they think they should have. If you're going to promote MGTOW, expose its flaws too. Have some integrity. There are actually pro-marriage MGTOW and there is debate on whether a MGTOW can be married or not. If they weren't willing to sign the contract, there would be no debate.

[Adama]

Hmm, okay. Well, let's see. Weren't you 25 years old when you married your Japanese wife? Do you not have two children?
What is MGTOW going to be for the rest of these men (suckers)? No wife. No children. Few people are going to move to Japan or out of the USA. That is unrealistic.

The whole issue is moot anyway. MGTOW like to pretend this is about the legal system when it isnt. It is about their ability to get laid. The average MGTOW is one BJ away from being manginas. There is no difference. Just one gets women, the other doesnt. If they were getting women, they wouldnt give two cares about the legal system, and everybody knows it!

Yes, I was about 25 years old when finally relocating. Yes, I have 2 daughters 50/50 Europe/Japan and 1 fosterdaughter Filipina. All are now adults already.

To move out of USA, why should it be unrealistic? USA is made out of immigrants who entered the States because USA was offering them a better life than their country of origin. Why should US citizen not do the same? To relocate to places where it is better for them than in USA? What is wrong with that?

The legal situation biased against men in Western countries plays a major role, as in case of problems in a relationship with a woman it is always the man who is kept responsible. No wife, no children? Are you serious? What is the meaning of marriage if this contract is ending up to 70 percent in divorce with huge financial obligations for the ex-husband? What is the meaning of children if father's rights do not exist?

The other reason is about the behavior of Western females, who are openly misusing the Western system which favors them.
It is possible to refuse sex with your husband while at the same time keep a sexual relationship with a boyfriend. Pregnant from him, no problem carry the child out, tell the husband he is the father. or go for an abortion. If the husband makes problems kick him out of his own house, no fault divorce whatever you do as a woman. Problems again? Just claim abuse, no need to prove anything.

MGTOW are not willing to sign such a contract, better stay away from Western females, and why? Because you cannot trust them, and about this argument 'not all women are like that', how do you know who is who?

About MGTOW and women - there is no problem to get women, it's easy - get on an airplane, who says these women must be women living to you next door? MGTOW are not against women, but against feminism.

You cannot compare MGTOW and the mangina, check out the history of super-mangina and male feminist Hugo Schwyzer and you will see the difference.

Are you really saying that you left Austria because of the 70% divorce rate? Was it the legal system that caused you to move? Or did you only later discover these facts?

As much as it may sound nice, it is probably rare that a man would want to switch continents simply because he might get divorced one day. Are there a few men like that, who are truly moving overseas because they want to have a family after age 50 with a 30 year old left over woman which the native men didnt want? Sure, there are a few of those men. On the contrary, most men move overseas because they want easier access to women (and not necessarily because they want better quality, but simply more willing).

I don't fault anyone for moving overseas for any reason. I just don't believe that a large number of men would move to a foreign country to start over again just to marry a woman. (I do think lots of men would move overseas if they realized that wh*remongering and sport sex are much easier abroad though, no insult intended to any members here.)

Most of the men who have learned these facts and who care about them deeply are the same men who were unsuccessful with women. In other words, if they were getting some, they wouldnt have even noticed these things were going on.

It isnt that they are better than manginas. It is just that they had less success than manginas to the point where a light bulb came on.

Moreover, bad things can happen to men anywhere in the world. Take precautions. A man doesnt have to switch continents. What would happen if the man switched continents, got settled, and then 30 years later the country he resides in decides to adopt western style laws? What is to say the western man can get a decent job in the foreign country? How do we know he can learn the language to fluency? Will he be okay with any friends or family within reach? Will he have to start at the bottom of the ladder? And what's to say some girl on the subway won't randomly falsely accuse him of sexual assault? How is he going to learn how that society works (the keys to success) without having grown up there?

And chances are, since these men are so inexperienced and know jack all about women, they'll simply wind up choosing a foreign woman who is a complete B. These men are suckers. Even if they managed all that, they would choose the one woman in the bunch who is evil. There is no guarantee they'll get married to a woman at all, or even to a decent woman there.

Living abroad is good for only one thing: having sex with every girl that moves with ease.

[Adama]

Except, MGTOW are willing to sign the contract, Yohan. It's just that their options aren't what they think they should have. If you're going to promote MGTOW, expose its flaws too. Have some integrity. There are actually pro-marriage MGTOW and there is debate on whether a MGTOW can be married or not. If they weren't willing to sign the contract, there would be no debate.

Every MGTOW from North America that I can think of, who has a foreign wife, lives in either the USA or Canada. There are men on this board who were frustrated with American women, drove down to Mexico, and brought back a wife. One of these men claims to be a millionaire. The other is a truck driver from the northern US. Are either of these men concerned about the 70% divorce rate? Not at all. Neither one. And there are many more examples from the MGTOW forums themselves.

Just because some laws are bad, that does not mean you have to switch continents. It just means you have to be diligent and pick a good woman, rather than some bossy woman who's going to tell you what to do and refuse to do what you ask. If there are two things to look for in a woman, it is her willingness to please her man and whether or not she's a wh*re, and the reason you need to know that is because a bossy woman is unhappy and could drive you to murder, same with a ho, but also, those are the women who are likely to leave you for no reason, such as "boredom."

[Yohan]

...bad things can happen to men anywhere in the world. Take precautions. A man doesnt have to switch continents. What would happen if the man switched continents, got settled, and then 30 years later the country he resides in decides to adopt western style laws? What is to say the western man can get a decent job in the foreign country? How do we know he can learn the language to fluency? Will he be okay with any friends or family within reach? Will he have to start at the bottom of the ladder? And what's to say some girl on the subway won't randomly falsely accuse him of sexual assault? How is he going to learn how that society works (the keys to success) without having grown up there?

And chances are, since these men are so inexperienced and know jack all about women, they'll simply wind up choosing a foreign woman who is a complete B. These men are suckers. Even if they managed all that, they would choose the one woman in the bunch who is evil. There is no guarantee they'll get married to a woman at all, or even to a decent woman there.

Living abroad is good for only one thing: having sex with every girl that moves with ease.

Only somebody living in USA, seriously misguided by Western propaganda and never been abroad can create such a statement. It seems you are grossly misinformed about life outside of USA or EU/UK.

This is the reason why this forum, called HAPPIER ABROAD, does exist - to offer you information about the rest of the world beyond the borders of USA.

Why not to switch continents?

About foreign languages, they can be studied before departure and exercised on a daily basis after arriving in a foreign country. I am using English only for the internet, it's a foreign language to me. In my daily life for my work and at home I use German and Japanese. Sometimes I am using French or Malay, sometimes I have to read texts in Chinese...

About income, it depends on the country you decide to live in future. Most expats in Japan are earning at least the same as in their own country or more, me included. - In other countries this might not be possible and they are more suitable for men after retirement only or with income from other sources or for vacation. You have to study about the economic figures, visa and work permit requirements etc.

About changing laws, not only foreign countries are changing laws, USA is changing laws all the time and the entire justice system is a costly mess. About 30 years, this is a long time, not only laws might change, people and their situation is changing too - my children are adults now and I am near to retirement.

About women, if you are so worried about how to find a decent woman abroad, you should be even more worried about decent women in USA...

I see no reason why not to try it out to live in foreign countries - in case something is going totally wrong, you might consider an escape-option, either moving back to the own country or to continue to another country.

[Yohan]

Every MGTOW from North America that I can think of, who has a foreign wife, lives in either the USA or Canada.

You should travel to Philippines and other Asian countries and you will be surprised how many men from USA/Canada are living in Asia with Asian local women.

[Eightfold Path]

as MGTOWs by definition shun women.

SOME do. In fact, very few do. I know Stardusk/Barbarossa peddle this intellectual-induced asexuality platform. Sandman is a 'ghost'/Galtist. Something to that effect. Plenty of MGTOW interact with women. MOST of them, in fact.

MGTOW is at its core a selfish movement.

Highly subjective and a non-issue. Not seeing why this is a problem.

[Yohan]

MGTOWs by definition shun women. It's about men, doing men things, focusing on their manly hobbies, saving up their money, riding motorcycles, watching sports games on TV, guzzling beer, debating online... and dying alone.

The moment one of these men gets married, to any woman whether she is American, Japanese, German... that moment, he ceases to be a MGTOW.

Maybe you could explain me who told you that MGTOWs 'shun' women. Any 'male feminist' a la disgraced Hugo Schwyzer? Or any feminist website a la 'Feministing'

MGTOWs are generally against feminism but surely not against ALL women.

Maybe you can also explain me what is wrong if a man, married or single, is doing 'men things' and enjoys some hobbies for men, saving money and riding a motorcycle.

About beer, I do not drink any alcohol (a serious reason to be rejected by many Western women as 'weak').

MGTOWs are not born, they are made out of their bad experiences they had with some certain women - and these certain women are not always cheating girlfriends or ex-wives. In my case it's more about mother, half-sisters, step-sisters, female teachers, female class-mates, female co-workers without any sexual relationship of course.

Yes, I have a motorcycle, but how does this make me an all-out women-hater?

I am married since over 3 decades and never divorced - foreign wife of course living in Asia, does this count? Or not?
She must be a doormat, right? Maybe my two daughters too are submissive doormats, and especially my Philippine fosterdaughter....(filipina = inferior)

Who says, a MGTOW cannot be supportive to men's rights anymore after marriage? Who told you that?

[Yohan]

as MGTOWs by definition shun women.

SOME do. In fact, very few do. I know Stardusk/Barbarossa peddle this intellectual-induced asexuality platform. Sandman is a 'ghost'/Galtist. Something to that effect. Plenty of MGTOW interact with women. MOST of them, in fact.

MGTOW is at its core a selfish movement.

Highly subjective and a non-issue. Not seeing why this is a problem.

Most MGTOW are interesting in contact with females - MGTOW are not against women, but against feminists.
A feminist is not necessarily a person with a female gender.

Is MGTOW a selfish movement? For sure not more selfish than feminism.

It should be noticed that MGTOWs are financing their activities out of their own wallet, while feminism is a parasite, unable to survive without demanding money from public funds, questionable lawsuits against companies and of course extorting money from men, especially from divorced men with children.

[Adama]

...bad things can happen to men anywhere in the world. Take precautions. A man doesnt have to switch continents. What would happen if the man switched continents, got settled, and then 30 years later the country he resides in decides to adopt western style laws? What is to say the western man can get a decent job in the foreign country? How do we know he can learn the language to fluency? Will he be okay with any friends or family within reach? Will he have to start at the bottom of the ladder? And what's to say some girl on the subway won't randomly falsely accuse him of sexual assault? How is he going to learn how that society works (the keys to success) without having grown up there?

And chances are, since these men are so inexperienced and know jack all about women, they'll simply wind up choosing a foreign woman who is a complete B. These men are suckers. Even if they managed all that, they would choose the one woman in the bunch who is evil. There is no guarantee they'll get married to a woman at all, or even to a decent woman there.

Living abroad is good for only one thing: having sex with every girl that moves with ease.

Only somebody living in USA, seriously misguided by Western propaganda and never been abroad can create such a statement. It seems you are grossly misinformed about life outside of USA or EU/UK.

This is the reason why this forum, called HAPPIER ABROAD, does exist - to offer you information about the rest of the world beyond the borders of USA.

Why not to switch continents?

About foreign languages, they can be studied before departure and exercised on a daily basis after arriving in a foreign country. I am using English only for the internet, it's a foreign language to me. In my daily life for my work and at home I use German and Japanese. Sometimes I am using French or Malay, sometimes I have to read texts in Chinese...

About income, it depends on the country you decide to live in future. Most expats in Japan are earning at least the same as in their own country or more, me included. - In other countries this might not be possible and they are more suitable for men after retirement only or with income from other sources or for vacation. You have to study about the economic figures, visa and work permit requirements etc.

About changing laws, not only foreign countries are changing laws, USA is changing laws all the time and the entire justice system is a costly mess. About 30 years, this is a long time, not only laws might change, people and their situation is changing too - my children are adults now and I am near to retirement.

About women, if you are so worried about how to find a decent woman abroad, you should be even more worried about decent women in USA...

I see no reason why not to try it out to live in foreign countries - in case something is going totally wrong, you might consider an escape-option, either moving back to the own country or to continue to another country.

Misinformed? Yes, please inform us of how wonderful Japan and Thailand are, where we can marry those 30 year old single mothers who are leftover women that the naive men do not want.

Tell us how you escaped the clutches of the western woman, yet you come online everyday to remind us of how high the divorce rate is in the west, although it will never affect you.

I think you pretend that you are here for the benefit of other men, but really you are here because you have a personal problem with western women, and you wish to infect everyone you can with the that mindset.

That mindset is pure poison, and we recognize the reason for the poison is lack of success with women. It has nothing to do with the legal system. The legal system is horrible. But to pretend MGTOW is about men who are concerned with the legal system rather than simple hatred of women and men because of their lack of sexual success with women is a joke. You yourself admit that no Austrian woman wanted you, and that's the reason why you took yourself to Japan. We know that you did not leave Europe because of divorce law, but rather because you had no success with the women there. To pretend otherwise is simply to call everyone else here stupid.

Please stop with your misinformation.


I am sure there are lots of expatriates who live in Asia. I did not say there were not expats living in Asia. What I said was the members of the MGTOW forums who sought foreign brides who are from North America still live in North America with their wives. Those men who are living their lives in Asia with their wives are respectable men who moved on. I respect that. You don't see them online trying to propagandize the rest of us here.

Even the one dude on here from Vancouver moved to the Philippinnes. You rarely even see him make even one post. Why? Cause he is happy with his life there.

[Adama]

You should travel to Philippines and other Asian countries and you will be surprised how many men from USA/Canada are living in Asia with Asian local women.

True, there are many.

And none of them are MGTOWs, as MGTOWs by definition shun women. It's about men, doing men things, focusing on their manly hobbies, saving up their money, riding motorcycles, watching sports games on TV, guzzling beer, debating online... and dying alone.

The moment one of these men gets married, to any woman whether she is American, Japanese, German... that moment, he ceases to be a MGTOW. In a movement focused only on men, he goes down on one knee and makes a woman his wife. He makes her his partner for life. How can this man still adhere to the core principles of the movement? I don't think he can. If he says so, he is deluding himself. Because the vast majority of MGTOWs, genuine MGTOWs, are essentially modern-day monks.

MGTOW is at its core a selfish movement. The man himself is the center of his own universe. The moment he gets married, he no longer is the center of his own universe. So he ceases to be a MGTOW, he no longer goes his own way, solo, he goes wherever he goes with his wife from now on. It's become a partnership of two souls. He is "going his own way" no more.

Yes, that is the choice: Become a non-religious (although belief in this does make it a religion, look at how hard they defend it) monk, but you must also hate women and those men who are attached to them. You must also only think in extremes, and only in pure goodness or in pure evil. There are no grey areas. The other choice is to expatriate yourself, but only after you have reached middle age, having spent all of your youth in the west alone, because the women in the west are simply too dangerous.

Meanwhile life goes on for everyone else in western countries. They want you to think that every man is on the verge of suicide because of the awful state of conditions here in the West. Yet when you go to work or anywhere else, life continues as normal. They are yelling fire, cause they think the boat is going to sink. Well yeah, the boat will sink, eventually, but that day is not today, and when the finally goes down, it will take everyone with them, including women.

These men only think in black and white. Every western woman is a feminist simply because she is living in the West. That is like saying there are no b*tches who live in Asia or in Russia. Let me tell you, there are plenty of Russian b*(tches out there. I've met a few east European women of slavic origins and I am not impressed with them in the slightest, even compared to the awfulness of the wretched American woman.

You are right Marcos, cause most of the men who are MGTOW but later get married usually disappear from the MGTOW scene altogether. They healed themselves. They had a problem with women, but when they finally got a woman, they got over that problem. Some men though will never get over that problem regardless how much success they had, because secretly they are enraged by the treatment they received at the hands of Western women, and they just can't let it go, even some 40 years later.