I know they wouldn't fawn over Michael Moore because he's fat, his face is fat and sags. I know they find that kind of stuff and wrinkles unattractive. I find it bad-looking. I can tell if a man looks particularly fat, saggy, odd-looking, etc. It's the average to good-looking where I cannot tell. Maybe I can guess since the topic came up that if a man has a square jaw or whatever, he is good-looking. My wife and I have a friend of middle eastern heritage who keeps looking for a wife. He has a great job, debt free real estate investments, teaches Bible studies, is a kind man, a good communicator. In regard to those things, I considered him a catch. I was talking to my wife about his quest to find a wife, and whether he was a catch, and I said I didn't know if he was for looks. She let me know that he was. I could tell he wasn't Michael Moore, but between average guy and good-looking, I can't perceive that, or have almost no sense of it. I can intellectually look for sharp features and such. I would imagine poorly defined features, kind of round blob noses might be unattractive on men like they are on girls. But it's an intellectual exercise to guess not something I just see like a see with a woman.MarcosZeitola wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 2:13 pmIt's not a subject that comes up all that often between me and other men, but it has, from time to time. Mostly it is women who discuss the looks of men, of course. Most men seem capable of telling who looks better than who. For instance if you saw Michael Moore and Brad Pitt entering a room together, who would women look at, fawn over? It ain't Michael Moore, man.
With a woman, I see if she's pretty or not, and I could rank them for looks on a 1 to 10 scale out to the third decimal point.

And Brad Pitt is getting older. I can't tell if he's still good-looking to women or not or if he's just attractive to them because he's famous and has money and they remember what he used to look like. If I had to guess, I would guess that Harrison Ford lost his looks when the wrinkles on his face started blowing in the wind.

I hear there are people who are 'face blind' who can't tell if anyone is good-looking. Maybe one of our posters who likes to complain could find a woman like that.

When I figured out I lacked an ability, I asked a few men in Indonesia to discuss it with. One of them said male attractiveness was something women see. That was my prior understanding of it. My mom never commented on men's looks so as not to make my dad jealous. My brother said he has only the slightest inkling of it. It could just be mainly 'nuture' for me, rather than nature, not hearing any comments on men's looks during my formative years.
I would have to put together a mental list of features and guess at whether a man is good-looking. With a girl, I just see it. But I can tell if little kids are cute. But cute kids may or may not grow up to be attractive adults. It's a different kind of good-looking.I had a son about half a year ago. He's a handsome little lad. I can tell, because he has sharp features, a well-shaped nose, a perfectly round skull and nice eyebrows and thick hair. Had he been hairless, eyebrowless, with a bumpy skull and a flat, broad nose, I would have been forced to admit my kid is kinda ugly. But I can tell he's handsome just as I can tell my daughters are pretty.
I can tell Michaelangelo's David is a well-made statue. But I can't tell if he's good-looking. The Mona Lisa is maybe a 4+ for looks. The statue of Liberty is about the same or maybe 0.1 better looking than Mona Lisa.Likewise, I can tell I'm an objectively good-looking man. And I can tell which of my friends are not. Not because I want to do ungodly things with them, because I don't, but because I'm not blind. You can tell when a painting or statue is well-made, too, doesn't mean you want to f**k a Rembrandt or Michaelangelo.![]()