Working Holiday for Americans

[Tsar]

Based on my research an American under age 30 can qualify for a one year Working Holiday in the following three countries:

1. Ireland
2. Australia
3. New Zealand

Under each option an American is allowed to remain for one year as they do not leave the country. Their primary intention must be to travel. They need to provide proof they can pay for the majority of their living expenses (working is allowed to help meet traveling and living expenses). They also need to purchase health insurance as a condition of receiving the working holiday visa.

Do you believe these are good options as stepping stones for younger Americans to leave America.

I think that Ireland would be my top choice because it's in Europe (and it could be a stepping stone to getting Irish Residency then EU citizenship).

[aozora13]

Tsar, you can possibly do it in Ireland. The problem being is the company you work for would have to think you are good enough compared to other EU or permanent residents and valuable to get around this requirement. If you can prove you have a required skill then you can be sponsored by the company.

I would say if you have ancestry in a European country you might be able to apply for the passport in the country. This is the best way to avoid having to try to hope your company can sponsor you. I almost went to Australia but it is like Canada, an America lite. Ireland is close to the UK in relation to culture and not much better but if you can get residency and a work permit and be able to travel between the mainland of Europe to find a decent woman and can be okay living in Ireland and/or hopefully getting your citizenship there you might be able to live anywhere in Europe.

[Tsar]

I would say if you have ancestry in a European country you might be able to apply for the passport in the country.

I have Italian ancestry but I would need to take my case to an Italian Court to have any chance at having it approved.

...Since this case, there have been over 50 similar decisions in the Italian court. We have collaborated with a law firm in Italy that has been successful in winning these court cases. Considering this legal precedent, there is now a high probability of obtaining Italian citizenship via an Italian female’s ancestor that falls into this category...

Source: http://icapbridging2worlds.com/descenda ... women.html

I would love to have Italian citizenship since it's in my ancestry.

[AmericanInMexico]

I would say if you have ancestry in a European country you might be able to apply for the passport in the country.

I have Italian ancestry but I would need to take my case to an Italian Court to have any chance at having it approved.

...Since this case, there have been over 50 similar decisions in the Italian court. We have collaborated with a law firm in Italy that has been successful in winning these court cases. Considering this legal precedent, there is now a high probability of obtaining Italian citizenship via an Italian female’s ancestor that falls into this category...

Source: http://icapbridging2worlds.com/descenda ... women.html

I would love to have Italian citizenship since it's in my ancestry.

Talk to eurobrat, he is of Italian descent and was able to obtain Italian citizenship. I myself am in the process of working on hereditary French and/or Polish citizenship. It would be nice to be able to live and work in the EU.

[AnonymousAmerican]

I would rather try it living in Spain. I have Mexican citizenship because of my mother, and Mexican citizens can get Spanish nationality by living in Spain for at least two years.

[Renata]

If I was an American man I would go to Ireland first then to NZ. I would boycott Australia all together. Although if a great opportunity presents itself take the risk & go. There's a Turkish work holiday visa for Nationals of the UK.

[Jester]

If I was an American man I would go to Ireland first then to NZ. I would boycott Australia all together. Although if a great opportunity presents itself take the risk & go.

+10 to Renata! Not just sexy but smart too!

[donnieyen]

I was actually just in AU for mostly a vacation, but one of my best buds was out there on somewhat of a work holiday (he has a work visa, and he's there with the intent of wooing a lady friend he met online).

Anyways, long story short, I had a few interviews lined up, but I only went to one because my friend pretty much convinced me that with their dropping price of the AU dollar, and the extremely high cost of living, it would be difficult to even break even on living expenses. Plus, I didn't get such a warm reception at my first interview.

Anyways, thanks for the info re: Ireland. I just might look into that...

[Tsar]

I was actually just in AU for mostly a vacation, but one of my best buds was out there on somewhat of a work holiday (he has a work visa, and he's there with the intent of wooing a lady friend he met online).

Anyways, long story short, I had a few interviews lined up, but I only went to one because my friend pretty much convinced me that with their dropping price of the AU dollar, and the extremely high cost of living, it would be difficult to even break even on living expenses. Plus, I didn't get such a warm reception at my first interview.

Anyways, thanks for the info re: Ireland. I just might look into that...

I read about that. I was Australia made my top destinations for awhile because of the purchasing power of the AU dollar relative to the American dollar and their climate. It's not on my list now that I know it's also very feminist, has lower purchasing power, and other negatives. I also believe water is more scarce in Australia which makes it more expensive.

These are good articles indicating why a person shouldn't move to Australia:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1670908
http://www.fool.com.au/2013/06/07/water ... nd-petrol/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-07-15/w ... ive/905672
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/why-is ... 012/02/10/

[Repatriate]

Why would you leave America to go to a set of countries that are arguably worse for an average American male to be in?

[Tsar]

Why would you leave America to go to a set of countries that are arguably worse for an average American male to be in?

The way I see it is America tries to keep the average people poor and oppressed. There is an unfair tax system, most small businesses can no longer compete in America, the costs of living are extremely high, and then there is Obamacare which fines people for not having health insurance. Real food is more expensive in America. In many other countries the food is organic or non-GMO, and it's usually more affordable.

I think that operating a small business abroad has a better chance of succeeding compared to a small business in a place like America, Canada or the U.K. In countries in South America, Asia, and some of Europe the costs are better when it comes to small businesses. Taxes, costs of operating, and costs of living hurt small business in much of the Western world.

Emerging economies, developing countries, and middle-income countries appear to have more opportunity for entrepreneurs and small businesses. There are feminine women and healthy social dynamics outside of the Anglo/Western world.

[Repatriate]

Yes but..Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland are not only part of the anglosphere but they are part of the western world as well. How is this in any way better than the U.S.?

Ireland is much more expensive and the women on average are pretty ugly.

Australia is full of bogans, violent men, and low quality/class of women. It's also expensive.

New Zealand has nice nature but nothing noteworthy beyond that and it's also expensive.


Business wise it makes no sense either.

Ireland is a tapped out country for investment. 2008-2009 decimated the economy there because a lot of the GDP was built on investment banker shell games. Unemployment is high and the future doesn't look all that bright.

Australia. Totally commodities driven regional market. They are basically China's resource depot. Australia's real estate is also insane right now it's a huge asia style bubble. A house in Australia costs more than CA it's silly.

New Zealand. Again, commodities driven on an even tinier scale. Mostly livestock based trade.

[Cornfed]

Yes but..Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland are not only part of the anglosphere but they are part of the western world as well. How is this in any way better than the U.S.?

Ireland is much more expensive and the women on average are pretty ugly.

Australia is full of bogans, violent men, and low quality/class of women. It's also expensive.

New Zealand has nice nature but nothing noteworthy beyond that and it's also expensive.

Yes, you may as well go to other parts of the US as go to those shitholes.

[Tsar]

The main thing is to get out of America. Ireland is in the EU so that is one bonus and advantage it has over America.

Working in the EU vs. working in America as an average worker. I would say the EU is better for the average working person.

As I said before, none of those three on my list are my ideal places but they offer Working Holidays for Americans. Emigration out of America keeps tightening. Eventually there will only be marriage to a foreign bride that would allow a man to leave permanently leave America. The wealthy have relative ease to leave America because they can buy permanent residency or citizenship. Most Americans are stuck in America.

One reason why America doesn't teach foreign languages in schools from a young age is because if Americans had other languages then they could have an easier time if they moved to a non-English speaking country. A natural born American leaving America highlights that something is very wrong with America. The American government doesn't want people to begin to see that America isn't good so they intentionally deprive students of learning a second language when they're children. Every other country teaches multiple languages in their schools. Most people in the world know at least two or three languages.

It might surprise many foreigners that an American wants to leave America and doesn't like America because they see a glittering image of America when in reality America is a society that decayed and rotten.

The poverty line, employment numbers, and inflation numbers in America are manipulated to portray a better image of America (and by better I mean an image that is less worse than it would be without manipulation).

Relocating to more affordable regions in America wouldn't change much when it comes down to it. There might be less state taxation and lower property taxation but the costs will still be extortionate and many of the same problems will be there. Small businesses in America have extremely high failure rates but small businesses like retail shops in Europe might do very well. Many people in European cities love to walk around and have a more stress free life. When people walk around they see more small businesses compared to driving to the larger stores.

When even medium chain stores in America have closed because of the mega-corporations and larger chain stores destroying all competition, what chance do small businesses have? Only tech businesses or service businesses still have a good chance in America. New entrepreneurs in retail, hospitality, and numerous other sectors that are more straight forward businesses for the average person to start won't have a very good success rating in America (or any Anglo country). Even trying to have a self-employed financial services business a person can run into trouble because of over-regulation or extremely broad licensing requirements. Many states also have a minimum tax small businesses must pay. Many small business owners can't afford health insurance especially if they are self-employed. The fact is that America isn't friendly too small business (or even many medium size business).

I think that Uruguay and Montenegro are two of the better countries for an entrepreneurial American like myself. I think that I would like Montenegro because it's also in southern Europe and the costs of living are lower. Small business should do very well in either of the two countries.

[Repatriate]

The only advantage to Ireland is that during holidays you could travel out of Ireland to see the rest of Europe. However whether or not you'd be earning more than the U.S. is a big question and you'd certainly be paying for higher cost of living in a foreign country. I don't think it's that beneficial especially when you consider that a plane ticket to whatever EU country can be had for $1200 or so from the U.S.

Ireland has identical if not worse problems than the U.S.