Are Asian guys really unattractive?

[Grandlovie]

I never understood why Asian guys aren't considered as attractive as white men, black men, hispanic/latino men, etc etc. They are just as attractive as they are they aren't more or less attractive than other races of men. Before I went to Korea last year, I always had a thing for them but than again I'm just really open, race has never mattered to me. I dated a few and they are the best we're all still friends too. People seem to single them out more on being ugly (which is subjective) while other races of men get a pass on being ugly. I feel like if there was a race of men who were considered ugly the Asian guy would be singled out and I find that unfair. The media really does play into this. Subconsciously we believe the images we see. If this or that is seen as unattractive by the media awe believe it. I understand that people have preferences I get it but to say Asian men are the most unattractive is bullshit. And the Asian guys having a small penis is one of the most dumbest stereotypes. They vary some are small and some are not. Anyway, about their looks, I have seen more attractive Asian men than tall or short. So I really don't understand. I remember seeing one Asian guy just last week he was smoking a cigarrette in a parking lot and me and this other black girl we were looking at each other like damn he's attractive, haha. Anyway, I'm done.

[zboy1]

I never understood why Asian guys aren't considered as attractive as white men, black men, hispanic/latino men, etc etc. They are just as attractive as they are they aren't more or less attractive than other races of men. Before I went to Korea last year, I always had a thing for them but than again I'm just really open, race has never mattered to me. I dated a few and they are the best we're all still friends too. People seem to single them out more on being ugly (which is subjective) while other races of men get a pass on being ugly. I feel like if there was a race of men who were considered ugly the Asian guy would be singled out and I find that unfair. The media really does play into this. Subconsciously we believe the images we see. If this or that is seen as unattractive by the media awe believe it. I understand that people have preferences I get it but to say Asian men are the most unattractive is bullshit. And the Asian guys having a small penis is one of the most dumbest stereotypes. They vary some are small and some are not. Anyway, about their looks, I have seen more attractive Asian men than tall or short. So I really don't understand. I remember seeing one Asian guy just last week he was smoking a cigarrette in a parking lot and me and this other black girl we were looking at each other like damn he's attractive, haha. Anyway, I'm done.

The racist Jew-fed Hollywood media has a lot to do with this! Plus, many White men want Asian women to hate on their own race, so they could have 'free-reign' on Asian women for themselves. It's all due to racism and sexual competition, smh...

[YourHusband]

And yet white men can only get the ugly Asian women LOL. Asian women are still naturally inclined to prefer a good looking Asian dude over any white man. Also, I would say there's actually been more more attractive Asian actors in Hollywood innthe last decade than unattractive ones. Remember that many white actors are not attractive themselves, just like how in real life, most white men are ugly as well. Oh, and black men are generally not regarded as good looking, neither are the really dark Hispanic men.

[Ghost]

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[jamesbond]

Then how do you explain that the most attractive man in the world is Asian?

[WilliamSmith]

I just happened to see this thread in the "similar topics" list at the bottom of the other thread, and wanted to point out that it's total BS that Asian guys are considered unattractive: In fact, I noticed Japan is a rather odd case these days of being loaded with foreign women (including lots of very good looking white women) who are in there hoping to get picked up and/or romanced by Japanese men, but then complaining that they're not getting enough attention from Japanese guys there. (Many women who go there do get attention from Japanese or other East Asian guys they're chasing after, but I noticed that seems to be a bit of a trend there.)
Back when I was a little kid I used to watch VHS tape movies with Toshiro Mifune and get some good masculinity acting tips to use on white girls (back when I lived in an all white area).
In fact, later on, the primal masculinity was even more amped up in those !@#$ing awesome early 90's Hong Kong action films. Off the top of my head, Full Contact (俠盜高飛) with Chow Yun Fat and Simon Yam and that huge bodybuilder who played "Psycho" (Frankie Chin I think his name was), was a really good one.
So my point here is: If you acted like half the man any of those guys were in those movies, can you imagine any of the whiny woke gender-confused "Western" men standing a chance against you? (The correct answer should be: "No." They wouldn't stand any chance against you. Neither would the nutcases hearing voices in their heads because they think "God" wants them to go get 19 year old virgins so they can follow their schizo jewish hoax slave religions.)

Asian guys should have confidence!

P.S. By "Asian" I assume you meant East or Southeast Asian guys from places like Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, etc, not Indians or middle-easterners (which I've heard is what UK people tend to mean by "Asians"). I've been around those types who I've noticed doing well with ladies too, but our taxonomic DNA groups definitely seem to have an impact on how we're initially perceived in different parts of the world. For example, I've noticed Chinese women who seem to like East Asians and some white guys practically flipping out about how they can't stand the sight of Indians, LOL. Not sure why. (Geopolitics due to tensions between China and India, or something more nuanced??)

[Tsar]

...Neither would the nutcases hearing voices in their heads because they think "God" wants them to go get 19 year old virgins so they can follow their schizo jewish hoax slave religions...

Wanting a virgin is traditional, universal, and I have no incentive to pursue slutty girls because they don't make good, monogamous committed girlfriends. Any girl older than 20 at the time of a relationship beginning isn't really worth the investment. That's my thoughts.

[WilliamSmith]

@Tsar
Hmm, to each their own I suppose. FYI I wasn't thinking of you in my little rant about schizos chasing virgins (didn't know you were also after virgins too, ), it was a couple other guys who pissed me off with their insolence elsewhere that I was thinking of when I wrote that. Sorry.
I'm not trying to change your mind since it's none of my business and I'm not qualified to give any advice, but for what it's worth to anyone who reads this, if I were one of you guys, I'd consider doing more or less the opposite and looking at older women who tend to be better in bed and also more tolerant (since they've already dealt with a lifetime of bitter disappointment from most men, LOL), less flighty, often have more developed personalities (not to suggest young women don't have personality, but you know, give them another 10+ years and you may well find they've come even more into their own ), may also be more financially self-sufficient and make you some good food and serve you their nice wine at no cost of your own, etc.
Also, I am not a PUA since I just want girlfriends and don't want to chase young women, but from guys I've read material by who do spend a bunch of time chasing young girls 19-20ish, my impression again has been that it's nearly the opposite, and the young ones are the least likely to be interested in a long-term relationship. I've heard there's issues with girls in their late 20's sort of hitting a panic button to want to get pregnant then (which might not be the best idea depending on circumstances), but girls in their 30's and 40's are the best, IMO. Well, it's just my opinion.

Wanting a virgin is traditional, universal, and I have no incentive to pursue slutty girls because they don't make good, monogamous committed girlfriends. Any girl older than 20 at the time of a relationship beginning isn't really worth the investment. That's my thoughts.

[Outcast9428]

@Tsar
Hmm, to each their own I suppose. FYI I wasn't thinking of you in my little rant about schizos chasing virgins (didn't know you were also after virgins too, ), it was a couple other guys who pissed me off with their insolence elsewhere that I was thinking of when I wrote that. Sorry.
I'm not trying to change your mind since it's none of my business and I'm not qualified to give any advice, but for what it's worth to anyone who reads this, if I were one of you guys, I'd consider doing more or less the opposite and looking at older women who tend to be better in bed and also more tolerant (since they've already dealt with a lifetime of bitter disappointment from most men, LOL), less flighty, often have more developed personalities (not to suggest young women don't have personality, but you know, give them another 10+ years and you may well find they've come even more into their own ), may also be more financially self-sufficient and make you some good food and serve you their nice wine at no cost of your own, etc.
Also, I am not a PUA since I just want girlfriends and don't want to chase young women, but from guys I've read material by who do spend a bunch of time chasing young girls 19-20ish, my impression again has been that it's nearly the opposite, and the young ones are the least likely to be interested in a long-term relationship. I've heard there's issues with girls in their late 20's sort of hitting a panic button to want to get pregnant then (which might not be the best idea depending on circumstances), but girls in their 30's and 40's are the best, IMO. Well, it's just my opinion.

Wanting a virgin is traditional, universal, and I have no incentive to pursue slutty girls because they don't make good, monogamous committed girlfriends. Any girl older than 20 at the time of a relationship beginning isn't really worth the investment. That's my thoughts.

I'm 24 years old and had absolutely no luck with dating in college. College is completely dominated by the hookup scene. When I was 21 I briefly dated a girl who was 27 and a couple years later my first, truly long term girlfriend I found at 23 when she was 30. She's 31 now and I'm 24 now. Unfortunately I'm probably have to breakup with her though because her materialism is mind bogglingly insane.

I will say though, neither of them looked their age. Both of them looked more around the 18-20 age range. With the first girl, when I met her I didn't even think she could legally drink. With the 30 year old girl, nobody thinks she's 30. She gets carded everywhere because she looks 20 lol.

I agree that the biggest problem with the younger girls is that they aren't looking for a serious relationship. The biggest problem with the older girls though is emotional baggage from previous boyfriends.

[Tsar]

I'm 24 years old and had absolutely no luck with dating in college. College is completely dominated by the hookup scene. When I was 21 I briefly dated a girl who was 27 and a couple years later my first, truly long term girlfriend I found at 23 when she was 30. She's 31 now and I'm 24 now. Unfortunately I'm probably have to breakup with her though because her materialism is mind bogglingly insane.

I will say though, neither of them looked their age. Both of them looked more around the 18-20 age range. With the first girl, when I met her I didn't even think she could legally drink. With the 30 year old girl, nobody thinks she's 30. She gets carded everywhere because she looks 20 lol.

I agree that the biggest problem with the younger girls is that they aren't looking for a serious relationship. The biggest problem with the older girls though is emotional baggage from previous boyfriends.

The main reason why I probably won't date a girl older than 19-20 is because of the emotional baggage (which will typically include many previous sex partners and many exes).

Many girls aren't looking for serious relationships when they're young because society encourages them to work, to go to university, and to delay marriage. It also teaches them through media and by society either allowing it openly, or passively allowing it through inaction or tolerance, they they can (and should) have as much sex as possible and experiment (as in sexually experiment) while they're young. That makes all girls almost exactly the same as whores but in some regards much worse because they don't want to be honest about what they really are, which is indeed whores.

In the early 1900s the girls were dating with the intent to find a husband. Then things changed after WWII especially at the tie of the Sexual Revolution which should be more accurately called The Beginning of Immoral Society.

[WilliamSmith]

Just curious: What do you mean exactly about the emotional baggage problem with older girls? (I know they have it, but what is it that they do as a result of having it that rubs you guys the wrong way?)
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just curious.

I agree that the biggest problem with the younger girls is that they aren't looking for a serious relationship. The biggest problem with the older girls though is emotional baggage from previous boyfriends.

[Outcast9428]

Just curious: What do you mean exactly about the emotional baggage problem with older girls? (I know they have it, but what is it that they do as a result of having it that rubs you guys the wrong way?)
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just curious.

I agree that the biggest problem with the younger girls is that they aren't looking for a serious relationship. The biggest problem with the older girls though is emotional baggage from previous boyfriends.

I don't know about Tsar, but one of the biggest issues with my girlfriend is being compared to previous boyfriends. I found that even though, overall, I was better then just about all of her boyfriends, there was still one or two things that each guy did a little better then me. And she outright told me a few days ago "I wish I could just take all the good traits from all my boyfriends and combine them into one person." I was like "are you f***ing kidding me? You want a god, not a man." She can't seem to accept that each man is a packaged deal, that she can't just pick and choose what traits she wants in a guy and keep searching until she's found them all... Especially since her standards are outrageously high.

She wants a guy who makes at least $100,000 a year at the beginning of relationship and has a plan to make at least $300,000 a year but ideally $500,000 a year (I'm seriously not joking).

If it weren't for her outrageous material demands I would actually meet all of her standards. But it seems her obsession with obscene levels of material wealth outweighs everything. Two of her past boyfriends made $100,000 a year, one guy received a $4 million dollar house as part of a trust fund or something and the other guy was gonna inherit millions of dollars in addition to a future salary of $200,000. So it turns out, if I can't make a six figure salary at the age of 24 then "I'm just an average guy."

And she told me she wasn't like this before she met her second to last boyfriend. She almost married a mechanic when she was in college. I asked her what the f**k happened to her and she said "I just can't go back from eating at fancy restaurants, hotels, and flying on private jets." And I hate this shit... I hate feeling like a f***ing snob even if I wasn't worried about the absurd waste of money all that shit is. If I had all the money in the world I still wouldn't want to fly on a f***ing private jet or eat in some pretentious restaurant.

And I'll be honest, I look down on her for wanting those things. I think its a bad character trait. Her lust for money is so extreme that its obvious it goes well beyond wanting a comfortable or good life... Its about pride. Its an obsessive desire to show off and pretend to be better then other people just because you can afford to fly on a private jet, stay at the Waldorf Astoria, or eat in this suffocatingly pretentious restaurant that doesn't even provide better food.

I'm sorry, this is extremely fresh right now so I went off on a little rant.

[Tsar]

Just curious: What do you mean exactly about the emotional baggage problem with older girls? (I know they have it, but what is it that they do as a result of having it that rubs you guys the wrong way?)
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just curious.

I agree that the biggest problem with the younger girls is that they aren't looking for a serious relationship. The biggest problem with the older girls though is emotional baggage from previous boyfriends.

It's like what Outcast9428 said in his above post. My #1 thing is that I hate being compared. I have gone on dates and I really don't want to be compared to previous boyfriends of a girl. But it's much, much worse when being compared sexually to previous boyfriends.

I would consider a girl if all her exes were girls, because being the "first boyfriend" or a girl's first "Male Partner" is almost as good as being with a virgin. That's because she can't compare me to ex-boyfriends.

Secondly, people love much less deeply and become cynical with age. I have lost almost all my ability to genuinely love or form attachments to people. Maybe it's just that I haven't found the right people, but maybe life has really turned me into a coldhearted person. Part of it that I have no trust in anyone left in me and I am always expecting betrayal, so I won't get attached and that's why I want power. If I am a girl's first and I have enough power and enough control, then if she betrays me, she loses me and her loss is greater than mine. Maybe that's why I am really skilled at war because I know that in life, there's a power dynamic and the person with the most power can expect to never be hurt. Everyone pays a cost, and as long as the Other's cost is greater, their loss is greater.

Third, I don't want to risk disease. I won't even kiss a girl unless she's been tested for diseases. Any girl that's been sexually active is a possible STD magnet. Even if a girl never had sex, she could still have cold sores from kissing a guy, making an STD test just as necessary in regards to Herpes (cold sores).

Fourth, they just aren't as fun. Why would I want to hear her blabber on about her work every single day and other boring topics. I'm not interested in discussing work and for most people who all they do is career, work, sleep, work, repeat then that's boring. I don't want to be bored in a relationship. A relationship is meant to be fun or at least somewhat fun since it's not going to always be fun, but it can be pleasant. Talking about work as the main conversation isn't pleasant.

Fifth, cheating. People who have had many relationships cannot be monogamous. It's not in their nature. And the more failed relationships they had, the higher probability of every future relationship failing. I'm not interested in investment time, money, and effort to have a relationship fail. Same as why I decided not to invest my time, money, and effort into sluts, and some recent experiences IRL has proven to me that I was correct. If I don't get the minimum amount of statistically proven features and traits in a girl, then she isn't worth having in my life.

Sixth is that many girls won't change and let's face it, I don't care what people say, if a girl isn't married by the time she's 23-25, then there's something very wrong with her. For guys, if they're not married then it's a factor of not being able to find a suitable woman since let's be honest, many men have very reasonable standards, and a girl's virginity is a completely reasonable standard.

Those are my six main reasons. I think anyone can get the point. That's serious emotional baggage.

Let's not forget that sometimes females not include little brats they popped out for other boyfriends, divorces which they might hide, former STD infections, former abortions, former work as escorts or sluts, etc, etc, etc.

I wouldn't want a trashy whore of a woman to be a girlfriend, or even a sex partner.

[Outcast9428]

@Tsar

The "comparing" problem is definitely a major issue. Its something I didn't really think about until I dated this girl honestly. People, especially women, have a really tough time "going backwards." And it doesn't matter if you're better then her previous boyfriend overall, women don't seem to assess you that way. They don't think "well he doesn't have this but he does have this." They just hyperfocus on and get cranky about the small things you don't have.

I'm considering going to the Philippines myself to find a wife sometime in the future now. But when I do, I'm gonna try not to have sex with her or take her on fancy dates unless its truly a serious relationship. Having to break up with a girl that you've had sex with is really hard. I've thought to myself before that I wish I was assigned a 100 page research paper that I had to do in the course of one day instead of this.

Not only that, but I don't feel like its fair to the men who live in the Philippines for a Western guy to come over and expose the girl to a really rich and lavish lifestyle and then leave her with the imprint that no Filipino guy will ever be able to live up to. I have felt really resentful towards my girlfriend's ex-boyfriend for essentially ruining her for every guy who tries to date her now. I'm sure he was just trying to impress her so I can't be too mad, but the effect this has on girls' is bigger then I thought it was and I want to make sure if I really give a Filipino girl that kind of experience that she's the girl I'm going to marry.

I also agree that she seemed "burned out." She told me she had been in so many relationships that she couldn't get excited about it the same way that I was. Overall I was her sixth boyfriend, and she had dated 5 other guys on a more short term basis. I don't know, I was ranty earlier, but now I feel bad about that. Like I said this whole thing is extremely fresh, I still haven't even technically broken up with her yet but I'm going to in a couple days. I don't know if I feel sorry for my girlfriend because I love her and I know that her life is not gonna go well, or if I feel angry about how ungrateful she is that I tried so hard to give her a good life and she couldn't be f***ed to make any sacrifices or long term effort to be a real girlfriend for me.

As far as conversation topics go, I'd just take charge of the conversation if its too dull. Ask her something interesting. If she really is a serious girlfriend or wife then talking about sex with a girl is always interesting lol.

[WilliamSmith]

Interesting comments guys. I have different values about some things so don't agree with all of it (eg, I don't think girls who have a lot of sexual XP are automatically 'trashy,' personally), but I've never experienced anything like what you're saying before with chicks comparing me to previous boyfriends, LOL. That definitely sounds pretty !@#$in' annoying, and if I had one do that to me I'd definitely start making fun of her right away and turn the tables comparing her to other hot women as a joke (and "next" her if she got mad and started throwing tantrums, and go see some other women instead).

And comparing you sexually to previous boyfriends?! No man or woman should have to put up with such nonsense even from a casual "FWB" partner, LOL.
(Sorry to use the word "partner" since it sounds too PC or gender non-specific, but couldn't think of anything else and need to scram.)

Oh yeah, and I took everything totally off-topic from anything to do with "Asian" guys so here's a random pic of a young Sonny Chiba with a gun, proving the chicks aren't going to find them unattractive unless they act like modern-day woke gender-confused types who bitch about everything (same as all the other race groups these days, from what I've noticed) :