Is Winston wiser than Roosh?

[ArchibaultNew]

I've been thinking about this for awhile.

Both guys are idealistic, both guys come from immigrant backgrounds whose families had a different from the Anglo-American one, both guys traveled abroad. However, it seems both guys ended up with different outcomes. Winston has become successful abroad, while Roosh has become a "persona no grata" in many countries around the world and even banned from the UK.

Roosh wanted to become like Charles Buwoski a famous writer, I don't know what Winston's goals are. However, we see that with Roosh he did not became famous but rather infamous. Mostly in negative way where many of his writings for generations to come will be seem much more with discontent than with freethinking. Unless American elects a very conservative leader similar to Trump and academia because very conservative then maybe Roosh's writings can be "revaluated" and maybe will be deemed as having some merit whoever, that seems slim.

It seems Roosh made a "bat bet' by trying to change the Anglosphere culture, which has been this way for generations, like Henry Miller and others pointed out. While Winston made a "Good bet" by trying to save individual American men into success.

Cultures take a very long time to change and it seems Roosh and his followers only started to realize that much later

What do you guys think?

[Lucas88]

I've been thinking about this for awhile.

Both guys are idealistic, both guys come from immigrant backgrounds whose families had a different from the Anglo-American one, both guys traveled abroad. However, it seems both guys ended up with different outcomes. Winston has become successful abroad, while Roosh has become a "persona no grata" in many countries around the world and even banned from the UK.

Roosh wanted to become like Charles Buwoski a famous writer, I don't know what Winston's goals are. However, we see that with Roosh he did not became famous but rather infamous. Mostly in negative way where many of his writings for generations to come will be seem much more with discontent than with freethinking. Unless American elects a very conservative leader similar to Trump and academia because very conservative then maybe Roosh's writings can be "revaluated" and maybe will be deemed as having some merit whoever, that seems slim.

It seems Roosh made a "bat bet' by trying to change the Anglosphere culture, which has been this way for generations, like Henry Miller and others pointed out. While Winston made a "Good bet" by trying to save individual American men into success.

Cultures take a very long time to change and it seems Roosh and his followers only started to realize that much later

What do you guys think?

Winston is much wiser than Roosh. He is also the superior intellectual.

I don't consider Roosh wise or even a genuine intellectual at all. He is just a salesman who wrote crappy books about "pick-up artistry" and mediocre articles criticizing feminism and SJW culture which look like they were written by a child. His goal was always to make money off of the insecurities of dateless men through his dud product.

Moreover, look how Roosh runs his forum with the bans against anybody who doesn't conform to his pathetic groupthink. He's just a former incel and loser who now thinks of himself as a big man with all of his followers and is on one helluva power trip. Truly wise people don't behave like that.

Roosh is not even a freethinker. In Roosh's writings I've found very little content that's not just some variation of the same PUA and alt-right content. He has few original ideas or insights pertaining to the condition of modern society and absolutely nothing in the vein of metaphysics or the nature of reality unlike Winston.

You make it sound like Roosh is some kind of serious writer whose work could be "revaluated". He is not; he's just some unimportant nobody writing on the fringes of the internet for a largely non-intellectual audience. Roosh became infamous simply because his views offend modern liberal and feminist sensitivities. He'll never be famous in any meaningful sense.

[Cornfed]

Eh, Doosh was just saying some shit to make money and when that market bottomed out he started saying some other shit. Winston is just a lazy guy bumming around presumably waiting for his parents to die. The issue of wisdom or lack thereof doesn't really need to arise.

[WilliamSmith]

Well, I like this place and Winston best for various reasons, and don't know much about Roosh yet, since I only just learned about him from seeing him mentioned on this forum repeatedly. But I got some of Roosh's books on picking up women to give them a look soon.

Ater checking him out more today online though, I can tell I disagree with Roosh about a few areas where he is too tough on women, but despite that I'm definitely really warming up to this guy for other reasons, LOL:

https://www.returnofkings.com/62716/the ... rn-culture

Bankers Rule The World

https://www.rooshv.com/bankers-rule-the-world

Here's some libs/jews squealing in mordant indignation about Roosh's "antisemitism" and "homophobia/transphobia" LOL;

Pickup Artist Roosh Valizadeh Rails Against ‘Jewish Intellectualism And Activism’ In Anti-Semitic Tirade

https://angrywhitemen.org/2015/05/07/pi ... ic-tirade/

Roosh Valizadeh: Gays Are ‘Degenerates’ Who Spread HIV And Marriage Equality Is ‘State-Sponsored Anal Sex’

https://angrywhitemen.org/2015/12/27/ro ... -anal-sex/

Roosh Valizadeh: ‘There Will Be No Homosexuals In Neomasculinity’

https://angrywhitemen.org/2015/07/30/ro ... sculinity/

LOL!!!

Long-story short:
I am now also a Roosh follower and he's earned some well-deserved respect here, even if I think he's too hard on women.

But Winston's still the best for being awesome in various ways, letting us actually talk about finding the best countries and other topics with actual free speech (!!), and having a lot of awesome threads about conspiracy theories, and photo collages featuring himself up to his ears in good looking women, among other things.

[Space Invaders]

Eh, Doosh was just saying some shit to make money and when that market bottomed out he started saying some other shit. Winston is just a lazy guy bumming around presumably waiting for his parents to die. The issue of wisdom or lack thereof doesn't really need to arise.

Once in a long while, a poster on this website will come up with an absolute gem.

[Winston]

My unbiased opinion. Lol

Roosh is smarter than Winston at some things like PUA, web design, manosphere topics, etc.

But he is much more narrow and rigid. For example he doesn't allow criticism of Christianity on his forum or free speech, especially if it disagrees with him. Nor does he allow criticism of himself on his forum. Winston is obviously much more broad minded and tolerant in those areas.

Rooshs spirituality is also very narrow and limited to Orthodox Christianity. But Winston is into many religions and is into the occult, metaphysics, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, esotericism, etc. So Winston's spirituality is far more broad obviously.

However most men are narrow so they will probably resonate with Roosh more than Winston. Because Roosh is closer to the average male than Winston is. So Winston remains a smaller niche than Roosh is.

Also Roosh runs a hate movement against feminism and is jaded, whereas Winston may hate feminism too but he doesnt run a hate movement to oppose something militantly. He gives just criticism and calls a spade a spade, but doesn't focus on hate, which is ultimately useless and lowers your vibration and energy.

[gsjackson]

That's a fair assessment, Winston. Roosh has clearly taken on board Chesterton's old bromide: "The purpose of an open mind is to close on something" (Catholicism in Chesterton's view, Orthodox in Roosh's). Chesterton may also have said: "If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything." Having an open mind is certainly a tougher row to hoe than closing around a perspective that provides all the answers (though Roosh seems to want to don the martyr cloak in his Christian walk). I don't know which is preferable as a way of life, but I certainly prefer open-mindedness in forum owners. As always, you're to be commended for that.

[Winston]

From a friend on WhatsApp regarding this thread:

"You are way more wise than roosh , roosh just likes to say shit to get a reaction , And he is a huge bullshitter too.
I met him in Poland , such a boring guy too."

[NGH607]

My unbiased opinion. Lol

Roosh is smarter than Winston at some things like PUA, web design, manosphere topics, etc.

But he is much more narrow and rigid. For example he doesn't allow criticism of Christianity on his forum or free speech, especially if it disagrees with him. Nor does he allow criticism of himself on his forum. Winston is obviously much more broad minded and tolerant in those areas.

Rooshs spirituality is also very narrow and limited to Orthodox Christianity. But Winston is into many religions and is into the occult, metaphysics, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Rosicrucianism, esotericism, etc. So Winston's spirituality is far more broad obviously.

However most men are narrow so they will probably resonate with Roosh more than Winston. Because Roosh is closer to the average male than Winston is. So Winston remains a smaller niche than Roosh is.

Also Roosh runs a hate movement against feminism and is jaded, whereas Winston may hate feminism too but he doesnt run a hate movement to oppose something militantly. He gives just criticism and calls a spade a spade, but doesn't focus on hate, which is ultimately useless and lowers your vibration and energy.

yea i really don't agree with how closed minded Roosh has become. Sex and spirituality are not mutually exclusive. Roosh seems to be an extremist, he can't comprehend balance. Winston seems to be much more balanced and chill.

[Epsilon99]

f**k Roosh, he's a piece of shit. Remember when they used to whine about SJWs shutting down freedom of speech back then? Now he's the same exact way. He deleted all of his old articles and his new site is censored echochamber just like woke leftist sites. He has a "no blackpill" rule on his site now and on a thread talking about how much worse modern women have been getting he said that it isn't a site to bash women. He's a f***ing cuck and once everyone finally realized that PUA is a scam and your genetics are everything he became "religious" all of a sudden and now appeals to tradcucks and literally erased his own history.

[WanderingProtagonist]

f**k Roosh, he's a piece of shit. Remember when they used to whine about SJWs shutting down freedom of speech back then? Now he's the same exact way. He deleted all of his old articles and his new site is censored echochamber just like woke leftist sites. He has a "no blackpill" rule on his site now and on a thread talking about how much worse modern women have been getting he said that it isn't a site to bash women. He's a f***ing cuck and once everyone finally realized that PUA is a scam and your genetics are everything he became "religious" all of a sudden and now appeals to tradcucks and literally erased his own history.

Took the words right out my mouth, been saying this same shit. The guy is a fuckin fake ass loser now. Exploiting religion for profit. But his site is full of fags that fail to realize how fake he is vs what he use to be. He's like a lot of men these days.

[MrPeabody]

Roosh got huge blowback from the establishment when he was doing PUA and trolling feminists with his Kings website. And that was before me-too, Russell Brand, etc. I think as he grew older he correctly perceived that PUA is a deadend, and retreated to Orthodox Christianity, which is a system that has functioned for centuries and has an ideology that provides some certainty. It also got him off the target list. That's a reasonable move for him.

[MrPeabody]

Roosh just announced that he is closing his forum at the end of October.