How many of you steal?

[MrMan]

A few decades ago, I was sitting in a Sociology class where the professor liked to say stuff to provoke students, then give tests just based on the book that had little to do with his lecture. One time he said there was a crime he knew all of us had committed-- shoplifting. That irritated me. Unless I took something as a baby and didn't remember it, I had never shoplifted. So he said it again later, and I said, "I haven't.' The future runner up for the state beauty pagent also said she hadn't either. The rest of the class was silent. Maybe some of them hadn't and didn't speak up.

This was back when music was on CDs and cassette tapes, not available for free on YouTube or for 99 cents on other platforms. So maybe that was why he thought the class was full of thieves. He probably had seen some stats.

A couple of posters, one a former poster, have confessed to stealing from grocery stores. One poster justified himself that he was stealing from corporate ---holes.

I guess he considers those little grandma's and grandpas with stock in the grocery stores to be ---holes.

I am curious who else here is a thief and wants to admit it.

[WanderingProtagonist]

A few decades ago, I was sitting in a Sociology class where the professor liked to say stuff to provoke students, then give tests just based on the book that had little to do with his lecture. One time he said there was a crime he knew all of us had committed-- shoplifting. That irritated me. Unless I took something as a baby and didn't remember it, I had never shoplifted. So he said it again later, and I said, "I haven't.' The future runner up for the state beauty pagent also said she hadn't either. The rest of the class was silent. Maybe some of them hadn't and didn't speak up.

This was back when music was on CDs and cassette tapes, not available for free on YouTube or for 99 cents on other platforms. So maybe that was why he thought the class was full of thieves. He probably had seen some stats.

A couple of posters, one a former poster, have confessed to stealing from grocery stores. One poster justified himself that he was stealing from corporate ---holes.

I guess he considers those little grandma's and grandpas with stock in the grocery stores to be ---holes.

I am curious who else here is a thief and wants to admit it.

I admit it. I steal from big corporate supermarkets and I don't give a shit about it. I have no issue with it on a moral level at all.

The main reason is that most of these big supermarkets are raking in billions in profit anyway whilst at the same time charging unreasonably expensive prices for their stuff.

Why are you an NPC who wants to protect corporate profit? Walmart made something like $160 billion last year. Do you think they're really going to miss a couple of bits going missing here and there? If they don't want people to steal from them then they should stop artificially raising their prices for profit.

This isn't the same as stealing from a private, family owned business, something I would never do. But as for these big corporations? f**k them!

I hate corporations too, but I still couldn't walk into a store like Walmart even with lax theft laws in California and just take something off the shelf. First off it would make me look like everyone else who is doing it, and those very same people who are doing it to big corporations are also attacking family owned businesses too. The only time I've stolen something is through piracy online like downloading something digital. But going into a store and just grabbing something like a flat screen or a bunch of clothing off shelves..I just can't see myself ever doing that not even to a POS corporation like Walmart. I would have to be hungry and unwilling to collect bottles and cans to steal out of a store, and if I were to steal from a store it would be either food, water, or just something important I desperately need but can't afford because of my situation got that bad.

[publicduende]

When I was 9 or 10 I used to steal small things from the local supermarket, just for the thrill of it, and was never caught. Candies, the occasional small chocolate bar.

Fortunately for me, it was a phase and it ended pretty soon. Back in the day, local supermarkets were small and packed with merchandise, with small corridors between aisles. There was no such thing as CCTV. They were also family run, so the few people working there were usually either behind a counter or at the cash register.

[kangarunner]

Everyone in a large enough city and if they were anonymous would steal. Only people who would not steal are people who live in small towns or tribes where there's a sense of honor in the community.

[MrMan]

A few decades ago, I was sitting in a Sociology class where the professor liked to say stuff to provoke students, then give tests just based on the book that had little to do with his lecture. One time he said there was a crime he knew all of us had committed-- shoplifting. That irritated me. Unless I took something as a baby and didn't remember it, I had never shoplifted. So he said it again later, and I said, "I haven't.' The future runner up for the state beauty pagent also said she hadn't either. The rest of the class was silent. Maybe some of them hadn't and didn't speak up.

This was back when music was on CDs and cassette tapes, not available for free on YouTube or for 99 cents on other platforms. So maybe that was why he thought the class was full of thieves. He probably had seen some stats.

A couple of posters, one a former poster, have confessed to stealing from grocery stores. One poster justified himself that he was stealing from corporate ---holes.

I guess he considers those little grandma's and grandpas with stock in the grocery stores to be ---holes.

I am curious who else here is a thief and wants to admit it.

I admit it. I steal from big corporate supermarkets and I don't give a shit about it. I have no issue with it on a moral level at all.

The main reason is that most of these big supermarkets are raking in billions in profit anyway whilst at the same time charging unreasonably expensive prices for their stuff.

Why are you an NPC who wants to protect corporate profit? Walmart made something like $160 billion last year. Do you think they're really going to miss a couple of bits going missing here and there? If they don't want people to steal from them then they should stop artificially raising their prices for profit.

This isn't the same as stealing from a private, family owned business, something I would never do. But as for these big corporations? f**k them!

I hate corporations too, but I still couldn't walk into a store like Walmart even with lax theft laws in California and just take something off the shelf. First off it would make me look like everyone else who is doing it, and those very same people who are doing it to big corporations are also attacking family owned businesses too. The only time I've stolen something is through piracy online like downloading something digital. But going into a store and just grabbing something like a flat screen or a bunch of clothing off shelves..I just can't see myself ever doing that not even to a POS corporation like Walmart. I would have to be hungry and unwilling to collect bottles and cans to steal out of a store, and if I were to steal from a store it would be either food, water, or just something important I desperately need but can't afford because of my situation got that bad.

I don't have limits when it comes to stealing from big corporations. I simply don't give a f**k about them and see nothing morally wrong with stealing from them. The other day I was in Asda and I saw some books I liked the look of, so instead of paying their price of £10 per book I just shoved both books under my pile of bags in the trolley.

I "steal" movies through online piracy and also steal television by not paying a TV licence I haven't had a TV licence since I moved into my new home 6 months ago the BBC have become my penpals! They write to me every now and again and keep promising to visit, but they never do

So yes, I'll steal and defraud big corporations any chance I get. I've stolen loads of stuff from the place where I work, including actual product and then I've defrauded the company by taking longer than I should for breaks etc.

So would it be fair to say that this forum is moderated by a man who is a thief and proud of it?

[kangarunner]

So would it be fair to say that this forum is moderated by a man who is a thief and proud of it?

@Pixel--Dude has demonstrated that he's a very good moderator with upright and fair judgment. The purpose of this forum is about building a community of truth seekers and for providing a safe place for the truth to be found out. He's doing a fine job at upholding and supporting that purpose.

As a liberal progressive Democrat myself, I'm all for this forum being directed in a more liberal manner with liberal values. That's what makes us Democrats the most popular party because we welcome everyone. Come to our table and we'll generously share what we have. Go to the other table and they'll tell you that you're not good enough to be at their table. Cheers.

[MrMan]

A few decades ago, I was sitting in a Sociology class where the professor liked to say stuff to provoke students, then give tests just based on the book that had little to do with his lecture. One time he said there was a crime he knew all of us had committed-- shoplifting. That irritated me. Unless I took something as a baby and didn't remember it, I had never shoplifted. So he said it again later, and I said, "I haven't.' The future runner up for the state beauty pagent also said she hadn't either. The rest of the class was silent. Maybe some of them hadn't and didn't speak up.

This was back when music was on CDs and cassette tapes, not available for free on YouTube or for 99 cents on other platforms. So maybe that was why he thought the class was full of thieves. He probably had seen some stats.

A couple of posters, one a former poster, have confessed to stealing from grocery stores. One poster justified himself that he was stealing from corporate ---holes.

I guess he considers those little grandma's and grandpas with stock in the grocery stores to be ---holes.

I am curious who else here is a thief and wants to admit it.

I admit it. I steal from big corporate supermarkets and I don't give a shit about it. I have no issue with it on a moral level at all.

The main reason is that most of these big supermarkets are raking in billions in profit anyway whilst at the same time charging unreasonably expensive prices for their stuff.

Why are you an NPC who wants to protect corporate profit? Walmart made something like $160 billion last year. Do you think they're really going to miss a couple of bits going missing here and there? If they don't want people to steal from them then they should stop artificially raising their prices for profit.

This isn't the same as stealing from a private, family owned business, something I would never do. But as for these big corporations? f**k them!

I believe stealing is a sin against God, so it doesn't matter if the company has bad values, makes a lot of money, etc.

Walmart has at least thousands of shareholders. One of the reasons they have to raise their prices is because of 'shrinkage'--thieves stealing their goods. That raises their costs, and their 'every day low prices.'

When I was really, really poor and didn't have a job, I didn't go steal stuff from Walmart. I bought what I could and prayed for God to provide. I managed to scrape up rent one way or another until we got out of it. I've also spent a lot of my life like that as a grad student with kids.

[MrMan]

Everyone in a large enough city and if they were anonymous would steal. Only people who would not steal are people who live in small towns or tribes where there's a sense of honor in the community.

Not stealing is a matter of personal integrity. If one needs social pressure or consequences to abstain from it, one lacks personal integrity in this area.

[MrMan]

Everyone in a large enough city and if they were anonymous would steal. Only people who would not steal are people who live in small towns or tribes where there's a sense of honor in the community.

Not stealing is a matter of personal integrity. If one needs social pressure or consequences to abstain from it, one lacks personal integrity in this area.

[kangarunner]

I believe stealing is a sin against God, so it doesn't matter if the company has bad values, makes a lot of money, etc.

Walmart has at least thousands of shareholders. One of the reasons they have to raise their prices is because of 'shrinkage'--thieves stealing their goods. That raises their costs, and their 'every day low prices.'

When I was really, really poor and didn't have a job, I didn't go steal stuff from Walmart. I bought what I could and prayed for God to provide. I managed to scrape up rent one way or another until we got out of it. I've also spent a lot of my life like that as a grad student with kids.

Walmart is a corporation that would sell you and probably does sell you crap that is harmful to your health for their profit. Walmart doesn't care about their shoppers or people in general. As a liberal progressive, I believe Walmart should freely give food to those who are in need. They should have a place in their stores where water, vegetables, chicken, beef, and fresh food should be given out to those who need meals. That would be the honorable Christian thing to do.

Secondly, as a proud Democrat, I believe in equality for all where no man is higher another.

[MrMan]

I believe stealing is a sin against God, so it doesn't matter if the company has bad values, makes a lot of money, etc.

Walmart has at least thousands of shareholders. One of the reasons they have to raise their prices is because of 'shrinkage'--thieves stealing their goods. That raises their costs, and their 'every day low prices.'

When I was really, really poor and didn't have a job, I didn't go steal stuff from Walmart. I bought what I could and prayed for God to provide. I managed to scrape up rent one way or another until we got out of it. I've also spent a lot of my life like that as a grad student with kids.

Walmart is a corporation that would sell you and probably does sell you crap that is harmful to your health for their profit. Walmart doesn't care about their shoppers or people in general. As a liberal progressive, I believe Walmart should freely give food to those who are in need. They should have a place in their stores where water, vegetables, chicken, beef, and fresh food should be given out to those who need meals. That would be the honorable Christian thing to do.

Secondly, as a proud Democrat, I believe in equality for all where no man is higher another.

You can ask them to set up an area like that, and pay for the food yourself.

[MrMan]

Well kudos to you for managing to scrape by on a meagre living. Do you think that's any way to live? Scraping by and barely being able to eat or pay your bills when these big corporations like Walmart are raking in billions in profit?

What does one thing have to do with another? If Walmart rakes in billions in profits, that doesn't make it any less stealing to steal from them. And Walmart is owned by shareholders. There are people who work and have 401Ks or other retirement plans who get a tiny sliver of Walmart, and when millions of people like yourself steal from their business, they may lose money they would have otherwise gotten. That includes retirees.

God has taken good care of me. I didn't starve and I had a good life, even when I was poor. I was poor living across from the beach at one point. I could even see a sliver of the ocean from my window, in the cheapest apartment we could find for our family size.

While we're talking about profit. You blame people stealing bits here and there from supermarkets for rising costs but if that is the case then how are these same corporations making so much profit and more and more every single year whilst people like us are struggling to pay rent and eat? You need to take the blinkers off, mate.

None of that justifies stealing. It's wrong to steal from the rich. It's wrong to steal from the poor, but more cruel.

You can ask them to set up an area like that, and pay for the food yourself.

Well, @MrMan... That isn't a very Christian attitude now, is it? Where is your sense of charity and good will towards others?[/quote]

Why would a sense of charity make me want to force some other person or entity to give up their property, instead of me giving my own. @kangarunner 's response didn't make much sense either. A 'Christian thing to do' is to feed the poor, not take other people's property to do so. It doesn't have to cost me anything to steal someone else's bread to give to another.

I thought as a Christian you would be all for giving away food to those who need it the most. But in one thread you even said that people who don't work don't even deserve to eat.

If any man will not work, neither should he eat is from St. Paul in the Bible. Paul also said that he left the elders of the church an example of working with his own hands to support the weak. There are people who aren't able to work and support themselves. There are also people who are diligent people who just haven't found a job. Not all work is in 'a job' that pays. If someone is out of work, he can volunteer to do various things or work on trying to start a business that might eventually support himself and his family. I figure if a man doesn't deserve to eat, that's between him and God. I haven't been out giving food to the homeless in a while, but I don't interview them to see if any of them refuse to work.

Hahaha! seriously?! This is coming from someone who believes we need the Bible to serve as a compass when it comes to morality?! Maybe this says more about Christians who need the Bible to stop them committing agregious actions out of fear of the consequences.

Says the thief.

I don't need the Bible or the law to prevent me committing transgressions against others. I don't steal from friends or neighbours.

Your neighbors may own stock in Walmart. And if Walmart mades 20% last year and makes 10% profit this year, the value of the stock could go _down_ and your little old lady retiree neighbor could be out money if she had to sell stock or not get a dividend that year. (I don't know whether Walmart pays dividends or under what circumstances. That's up to management for each company.)

I don't give a shit about supermarkets who make billions in profit by artificially raising their prices to make more and more profit for greedy CEOs under some bullshit reason like people stealing bits here and there or inflation.

Maybe you should watch a video about how corporations work. They have shareholders. They don't just own themselves.

I don't know if they are 'artificially raising their prices.' That probably happens in some cases. In the US, during Covid, the government invented more money and doled it out when fewer people were working. Our flimsy fiat currency is supposed to be backed up by GDP. Fewer people working and making stuff means our money is worth less, and they were doling more out (digitally), so a little while later, inflation was sure to hit, which it did, and we are still feeling the effects. In the US, the Dollar Tree used to sell everything for a dollar. Inflation went up pretty quick. Instead of filling all of their stores with even cheaper junk from China, now just about everything there is $1.25. Did they artificially raise their prices? Probably not. They probably couldn't afford to buy the same junk and sell it for $1.00, so they had to sell it for $1.25.

Besides, these same supermarkets throw away tons and tons of food every month because they are past their shelf life and they put padlocks on their dumpsters because they would literally prefer homeless and poor to starve to death than let them take their products without paying for them!

I used to manage a group home. Large grocery store chains donated lots of food to the food bank right before it expired. We'd buy food for 16 cents a pound, even the meat. I suspect the ministries and charities that fed the homeless shopped at the same food bank. I don't know about all the stores, but at least back then, there were grocery store chains giving food away.

A lot of food stays good past the expiration date, but I suspect if grocery stores are locking up dumpsters, they might be concerned of getting sued for eating spoiled food out of the dumpster-- that and making an awful mess. Around here, a lock on a dumpster might keep a racoon out. Those critters could make a big mess.

None of your arguments here make it any less stealing to steal from the grocery stores. In that line of work, they will have waste and spoilage. People do too. In the US, maybe a third of food has to be thrown away. People buy a lot of food, put it in the refrigerator, and don't eat up their leftovers. Restaurants are afraid people will get sick. Health departments want food below 40 or 45 or over so many degrees, maybe 140 F. Giving old food away is a legal liability.

If you steal food from supermarkets, it adds to their costs and they raise their prices more for the honest poor who do not steal from the store.

So yeah, f**k these corporate assholes!

Do you mean the little old lady widow living off the stock her husband left her in his retirement account?

[kangarunner]

You can ask them to set up an area like that, and pay for the food yourself.

Walmart I believe is 1st in the Fortune 500 list. They have so much money that money literally does not matter to them. Giving meals to those in need would literally do nothing to their profits.

If you say you're a Christian, then you would know that Jesus was a compassionate and generous and loving person. He would give to others in need. He would want to bring people together instead of separating others. In all the countries I've been to, the ones that are the happiest and live in peaceful harmony are the ones where the people say hello to strangers and are nice to each other. Colombia for the most part was one. Most definitely Vietnam. Some parts of America (smaller towns).

I encourage you to vote for the Democrat ticket on this year's election sir.

[WanderingProtagonist]

You can ask them to set up an area like that, and pay for the food yourself.

Walmart I believe is 1st in the Fortune 500 list. They have so much money that money literally does not matter to them. Giving meals to those in need would literally do nothing to their profits.

If you say you're a Christian, then you would know that Jesus was a compassionate and generous and loving person. He would give to others in need. He would want to bring people together instead of separating others. In all the countries I've been to, the ones that are the happiest and live in peaceful harmony are the ones where the people say hello to strangers and are nice to each other. Colombia for the most part was one. Most definitely Vietnam. Some parts of America (smaller towns).

I encourage you to vote for the Democrat ticket on this year's election sir.

Again with the Democrat....Come on man don't start this again...You know damn well the Democrats is a shitty party. The Republicans aren't much better, but Democrats are absolute garbage..Destroying their own cities, promoting hate against whites because they think nigs and Spics will be easier to control. Democrats are the worse party you can vote for, the best thing to do is go third party or don't vote at all. Vote Democrat if you want to be ruled over by communist scumbags too stupid to close the goddamn border and will keep making living conditions worse for everyone. Even their own dumb black voters are slowly turning on them now. Just not enough since they are easily tempted with "free shit."

People are only "nice" in poor countries because that's how they are everywhere where the living standards are really low excluding America where people don't fake politeness as much when the conditions are worse.
That video that was posted here showing that dude walking around India. Everyone was smiling and saying hello to him too. Yet half of that country would have also ripped his ass off and would have taken total advantage of him which is why he was smart enough to not mistake all that smiling and "niceness" for automatic trust.

[kangarunner]

People are only "nice" in poor countries because that's how they are everywhere where the living standards are really low excluding America where people don't fake politeness as much when the conditions are worse.

I don't know what you're meaning here. In many places I've been to outside of America, people are just more down to earth and less selfish. They'll help you if you need help.

That video that was posted here showing that dude walking around India. Everyone was smiling and saying hello to him too. Yet half of that country would have also ripped his ass off and would have taken total advantage of him which is why he was smart enough to not mistake all that smiling and "niceness" for automatic trust.

I probably will never go to India just because of what I've heard about it. What you're saying is similar to what @publicduende said about Filipinos showing you a fake nice exterior but when you get to know them, they're selfish and will take advantage of you.