Seduction Culture, Flirting with and Approaching Women is Not Traditional!

[Outcast9428]

I’m sick of people here and their obsession with being able to approach women or not. What’s particularly destructive, however, is them spreading the myth that this is “the old fashioned way of meeting women.” It is not “old fashioned.” Like in many ways, y’all are not promoting conservative/traditional values you are promoting an earlier stage of liberalism and claiming it to be old fashioned.

This chart shows how people have met their partners by decade…



If you go back to the 1950s, meeting through friends, family, as well as childhood friends from school was the most popular way to meet your partner. Asking people out in public places like bars, restaurants, or work was only how 20%-25% of the population met. During the 1980s was the peak of seduction culture with 40% of people meeting this way. Even in the 80s though it was an ineffective method of meeting women and ultimately 35% of the population opted for meeting through friends and another 20% met through family.

You want to know why dating sucks now? It’s not because “I can’t approach or flirt with women anymore!” That has always been a stupid way to try and meet women. And no it’s not because women are calling security on you and tossing men who do this in prison. I approached hundreds of girls back in college and never got that response from them. The truth is, it doesn’t work. It never worked and it never will work. You won’t approach women because you are scared. That’s the honest truth. Most people are, that’s why you don’t approach and try to seduce random women walking around in public because it’s a stupid way of trying to meet your partner.

If you want a girlfriend, tell your friends and family that you are looking for someone. Tell them what you like in a girl. If you don’t know anyone who can find someone for you try to make new friends. Get a different job or join a club.

But for the love of God stop promoting the cold approach method and giving into PUA bullshit that only works if you are a very specific kind of guy. That only works for 25%, maybe 40% of the population who has a lot of natural confidence. If you are worried about any kind of stigma for approaching women then you are not that kind of guy.

[Cornfed]

Yeah, wandering up to females and panhandling them for sex, just like panhandling anyone for anything, is incredibly scummy and socially destructive behavior. In non-shit societies there are formal ways of going about getting sex, such as being introduced to a prospective wife through your mutual families or going to a well regulated brothel.

[Outcast9428]

Yeah, wandering up to females and panhandling them for sex, just like panhandling anyone for anything, is incredibly scummy and socially destructive behavior. In non-shit societies there are formal ways of going about getting sex, such as being introduced to a prospective wife through your mutual families or going to a well regulated brothel.

Exactly… And people will probably respond to this with “but women like when men approach them!”

Of course they like it, anybody likes a situation where the other person foolishly gives them all the bargaining power which is exactly what men are doing when they wander up to random women.

Wandering up to a woman and trying to seduce her is the equivalent of pleading for sex. “Please, my queen, tell me I am witty and charming enough for you to consider taking me to bed.”

A society where men truly hold all the bargaining chips, women approach men through formal methods. Arranged marriages, matchmakers, friends setting them up. It’s the woman’s job to impress you, not the man’s job to impress the woman.

[CaptainSkelebob]

I’m sick of people here and their obsession with being able to approach women or not. What’s particularly destructive, however, is them spreading the myth that this is “the old fashioned way of meeting women.” It is not “old fashioned.” Like in many ways, y’all are not promoting conservative/traditional values you are promoting an earlier stage of liberalism and claiming it to be old fashioned.

This chart shows how people have met their partners by decade…



If you go back to the 1950s, meeting through friends, family, as well as childhood friends from school was the most popular way to meet your partner. Asking people out in public places like bars, restaurants, or work was only how 20%-25% of the population met. During the 1980s was the peak of seduction culture with 40% of people meeting this way. Even in the 80s though it was an ineffective method of meeting women and ultimately 35% of the population opted for meeting through friends and another 20% met through family.

You want to know why dating sucks now? It’s not because “I can’t approach or flirt with women anymore!” That has always been a stupid way to try and meet women. And no it’s not because women are calling security on you and tossing men who do this in prison. I approached hundreds of girls back in college and never got that response from them. The truth is, it doesn’t work. It never worked and it never will work. You won’t approach women because you are scared. That’s the honest truth. Most people are, that’s why you don’t approach and try to seduce random women walking around in public because it’s a stupid way of trying to meet your partner.

If you want a girlfriend, tell your friends and family that you are looking for someone. Tell them what you like in a girl. If you don’t know anyone who can find someone for you try to make new friends. Get a different job or join a club.

But for the love of God stop promoting the cold approach method and giving into PUA bullshit that only works if you are a very specific kind of guy. That only works for 25%, maybe 40% of the population who has a lot of natural confidence. If you are worried about any kind of stigma for approaching women then you are not that kind of guy.

This is all BS!!
So going up to women and greeting them is a stupid way to meet women???
Yeah!! Just tell ur friends and family ur looking for a girlfriend and expert them to go out and find one for you
Or
You can just approach a girl you find attractive like a goddamn man with balls and talk to her
of course having confidence will work in ur favour
Confisence shows strength
And females are attracted to strength and confidence
They want to feel safe!!!
Here is how you get a woman
1. Get in decent shape
2. Develop self confidence & love urself
3. Be successful. Women want financial security
4. Talk to women
It is easy!!!
Ur sollution outcast is to wait around uncertainly until someone gets you a date???
Just go ask some girls out!!
Worst they can do is say no....
Then you just ask her mate out instead

[Outcast9428]

I’m sick of people here and their obsession with being able to approach women or not. What’s particularly destructive, however, is them spreading the myth that this is “the old fashioned way of meeting women.” It is not “old fashioned.” Like in many ways, y’all are not promoting conservative/traditional values you are promoting an earlier stage of liberalism and claiming it to be old fashioned.

This chart shows how people have met their partners by decade…



If you go back to the 1950s, meeting through friends, family, as well as childhood friends from school was the most popular way to meet your partner. Asking people out in public places like bars, restaurants, or work was only how 20%-25% of the population met. During the 1980s was the peak of seduction culture with 40% of people meeting this way. Even in the 80s though it was an ineffective method of meeting women and ultimately 35% of the population opted for meeting through friends and another 20% met through family.

You want to know why dating sucks now? It’s not because “I can’t approach or flirt with women anymore!” That has always been a stupid way to try and meet women. And no it’s not because women are calling security on you and tossing men who do this in prison. I approached hundreds of girls back in college and never got that response from them. The truth is, it doesn’t work. It never worked and it never will work. You won’t approach women because you are scared. That’s the honest truth. Most people are, that’s why you don’t approach and try to seduce random women walking around in public because it’s a stupid way of trying to meet your partner.

If you want a girlfriend, tell your friends and family that you are looking for someone. Tell them what you like in a girl. If you don’t know anyone who can find someone for you try to make new friends. Get a different job or join a club.

But for the love of God stop promoting the cold approach method and giving into PUA bullshit that only works if you are a very specific kind of guy. That only works for 25%, maybe 40% of the population who has a lot of natural confidence. If you are worried about any kind of stigma for approaching women then you are not that kind of guy.

This is all BS!!
So going up to women and greeting them is a stupid way to meet women???
Yeah!! Just tell ur friends and family ur looking for a girlfriend and expert them to go out and find one for you
Or
You can just approach a girl you find attractive like a goddamn man with balls and talk to her
of course having confidence will work in ur favour
Confisence shows strength
And females are attracted to strength and confidence
They want to feel safe!!!
Here is how you get a woman
1. Get in decent shape
2. Develop self confidence & love urself
3. Be successful. Women want financial security
4. Talk to women
It is easy!!!
Ur sollution outcast is to wait around uncertainly until someone gets you a date???
Just go ask some girls out!!
Worst they can do is say no....
Then you just ask her mate out instead

Funny given that I wasted 8 years of my life trying that bullshit strategy in high school and college.

Switching to this new strategy has paid off tremendously in only two years.

[CaptainSkelebob]

I’m sick of people here and their obsession with being able to approach women or not. What’s particularly destructive, however, is them spreading the myth that this is “the old fashioned way of meeting women.” It is not “old fashioned.” Like in many ways, y’all are not promoting conservative/traditional values you are promoting an earlier stage of liberalism and claiming it to be old fashioned.

This chart shows how people have met their partners by decade…



If you go back to the 1950s, meeting through friends, family, as well as childhood friends from school was the most popular way to meet your partner. Asking people out in public places like bars, restaurants, or work was only how 20%-25% of the population met. During the 1980s was the peak of seduction culture with 40% of people meeting this way. Even in the 80s though it was an ineffective method of meeting women and ultimately 35% of the population opted for meeting through friends and another 20% met through family.

You want to know why dating sucks now? It’s not because “I can’t approach or flirt with women anymore!” That has always been a stupid way to try and meet women. And no it’s not because women are calling security on you and tossing men who do this in prison. I approached hundreds of girls back in college and never got that response from them. The truth is, it doesn’t work. It never worked and it never will work. You won’t approach women because you are scared. That’s the honest truth. Most people are, that’s why you don’t approach and try to seduce random women walking around in public because it’s a stupid way of trying to meet your partner.

If you want a girlfriend, tell your friends and family that you are looking for someone. Tell them what you like in a girl. If you don’t know anyone who can find someone for you try to make new friends. Get a different job or join a club.

But for the love of God stop promoting the cold approach method and giving into PUA bullshit that only works if you are a very specific kind of guy. That only works for 25%, maybe 40% of the population who has a lot of natural confidence. If you are worried about any kind of stigma for approaching women then you are not that kind of guy.

This is all BS!!
So going up to women and greeting them is a stupid way to meet women???
Yeah!! Just tell ur friends and family ur looking for a girlfriend and expert them to go out and find one for you
Or
You can just approach a girl you find attractive like a goddamn man with balls and talk to her
of course having confidence will work in ur favour
Confisence shows strength
And females are attracted to strength and confidence
They want to feel safe!!!
Here is how you get a woman
1. Get in decent shape
2. Develop self confidence & love urself
3. Be successful. Women want financial security
4. Talk to women
It is easy!!!
Ur sollution outcast is to wait around uncertainly until someone gets you a date???
Just go ask some girls out!!
Worst they can do is say no....
Then you just ask her mate out instead

Funny given that I wasted 8 years of my life trying that bullshit strategy in high school and college.

Switching to this new strategy has paid off tremendously in only two years.

Whatever works for you fella
I will stick to my hands on approach of getting women
For those wanting women my strategy is more practical

[MrMan]

There is no "strategy" to getting women. Either you're physically attractive to women or you're not. There's no such thing as "confidence". An ugly man and good looking man can both act "confident" around women yet somehow only the ugly guy gets accused of sexual harassment. Why is that?

Are all the men with wives or girlfriends out there ugly?

[MrMan]

There is no "strategy" to getting women. Either you're physically attractive to women or you're not. There's no such thing as "confidence". An ugly man and good looking man can both act "confident" around women yet somehow only the ugly guy gets accused of sexual harassment. Why is that?

Are all the men with wives or girlfriends out there ugly?

No, there's plenty of betabuxxers who get girlfriends or wives once the women become ugly and obese but the women are not actually attracted to these men, still cheat on them with Chad and Tyrone and will eventually divorce the betabuxxers for everything.

Just like there are men who marry pretty women (or average-looking women) who don't cheat on them. Are you a glass half full or a glass completely empty kind of guy? I think your more of a 'My glass is full of poison' guy when it comes to women.

The dystopian obsession might actually drive women off if they pick up on the vibe.

[willymonfrete]

I think the best thing to do is just pay for a matchmaking service overseas.

Especially Christian matchmaking services,so you don't go after women with loose morals like in bars,clubs etc

I plan to find a woman for marriage that way,wherever I may go,even if I stay in USA which is unlikely.

[Outcast9428]

There is no "strategy" to getting women. Either you're physically attractive to women or you're not. There's no such thing as "confidence". An ugly man and good looking man can both act "confident" around women yet somehow only the ugly guy gets accused of sexual harassment. Why is that?

Are all the men with wives or girlfriends out there ugly?

No, there's plenty of betabuxxers who get girlfriends or wives once the women become ugly and obese but the women are not actually attracted to these men, still cheat on them with Chad and Tyrone and will eventually divorce the betabuxxers for everything.

Just like there are men who marry pretty women (or average-looking women) who don't cheat on them. Are you a glass half full or a glass completely empty kind of guy? I think your more of a 'My glass is full of poison' guy when it comes to women.

The dystopian obsession might actually drive women off if they pick up on the vibe.

We live in a dystopia. It's total hell.

I can actually understand why you feel that way. I felt that way when I was in college. But trust me, the whole country is not like San Francisco. There are better places out there. I made a thread showing that dating is better in the south. You should check it out…

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[castlebasetone]

I have tried the friends & family method, online dating and cold approach all VERY thoroughly in NYC over the years.

I can tell you without any doubt, the only one that I've had success worth mentioning is the cold approach method. Some long term girlfriends, dates & same day lays. Don't get me wrong, it's still FAR more trouble than it was worth with a ton of rejection & flakes but still the best of the three.

Online dating a distant 2nd place, extremely poor ROI.

Friends & family never brought anything to the table whatsoever, they try but not a single one has ever panned out.

However, I will add that having friends & family socially validate you to a girl who you originally met via cold approach is actually a golden ticket.

[ArchibaultNew]

Outcast, here I disagree with you.

However, now I see why we disagree. I don't understand why you feel the need to "control" other people especially men. Even Religious people don't do this. I was talking with some religious Christians who said they didn't care what the "Secular World" did. They cared about their own communities. If you are overly caring about the country at large it gives you an "authoritarian bend." Not sure if this was your intention, however, I do want to point it out.

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

[Outcast9428]

Outcast, here I disagree with you.

However, now I see why we disagree. I don't understand why you feel the need to "control" other people especially men. Even Religious people don't do this. I was talking with some religious Christians who said they didn't care what the "Secular World" did. They cared about their own communities. If you are overly caring about the country at large it gives you an "authoritarian bend." Not sure if this was your intention, however, I do want to point it out.

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

There are two reasons…

One, my experiences with liberalism and what being in a liberal environment is like have convinced me that liberalism is the mask of evil itself. It presents itself in a very subtle way though. It promises freedom and fun but what it really delivers is emptiness and misery. If too many people support a liberal point of view, our world will become an unlivable dystopia.

Secondly, I was liberal one time believe it or not, and traditionalism has brought me more joy then I could have ever imagined when I was a liberal. Understanding what true conservatism/traditionalism feels like… It’s like unlocking the secret to the universe itself. Unlike many who discover such a secret, I am not trying to keep it to myself. The most wonderful thing about traditionalism is that it’s not a secret that needs to be kept secret. Traditionalists benefit from more people knowing. As long as somebody doesn’t mess with our girl or our kids we are happy so the best thing for us, is to help everybody else find a girl too.

The people you mentioned are the majority of people on the right. And these people are the reason why we have been losing for decades. Many people don’t even know of the alternative that the traditional lifestyle provides to the modern liberal lifestyle.

[ArchibaultNew]

Why don't you move to a more traditional society? I was listening to a discussion about a guy who moved to China, found a wife and now lives a traditional lifestyle. It seems the easiest choice for someone like you.

It's kind of hard to live a truly traditional lifestyle in a communist dictatorship that prevents you, among other things, from having a large family. If a man wants to go abroad in order to be traditional, that makes perfect sense, but China's an odd choice for that particular lifestyle.

I was listening to a podcast and this guy said that he moved around the world. He felt that Mexican Culture and Chinese culture were similar because of their approach to families. It depends on what you define as traditional, if you mean a stable wife and a child. Then Chinese culture offered that to this blogger. Hence, how it can offer it to Outcast as well.

[Outcast9428]

@ArchibaultNew and @MarcosZeitola

I kind of don’t feel any desire to move anymore. Things are going so well here. My thoughts of leaving the US mostly stemmed from college and how much I hated living there. My hometown on the other hand, it’s so different from my college. I like it here. And I’ve got a wonderful girlfriend who lives right next door to me. For me, paradise is wherever I can be with her and not have the rest of the world try to interfere with our relationship (cough, unlike, cough, Florida).

Even if I had been with my ex, living in Florida would have felt like a nightmare. But Virginia isn’t like that. People smile at my girlfriend and I when we are out in public and if they talk to us it’s all very friendly. It’s not like Florida people who looked at my ex with hunger in their eyes like all they wanted was a piece of her to themselves.