The Russian Cult of Gadget Hackwrench

[MrMan]

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The Russian Cult of Gadget Hackwrench
While most cults are notorious for brainwashing, stealing, and even committing acts of violence, the Russian Cult of Gadget Hackwrench has a slightly different ideology.

Members of this cult believe that Gadget Hackwrench, a popular cartoon character from Disney's Rescue Ranger TV Show, is actually the sister of God and an embodiment of purity on earth. They devote their lives to Gadget and even perform ritual acts that involve lighting torches and dancing around a poster of the cartoon.

I'd never heard of this, or the mouse or the Disney cartoon show. But is this any weirder than watching 'The Matrix' and thinking we are really trapped in a computer matrix, or getting one's religious ideas from 'Ancient Aliens' on The History Channel?

[MrMan]

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The Russian Cult of Gadget Hackwrench
While most cults are notorious for brainwashing, stealing, and even committing acts of violence, the Russian Cult of Gadget Hackwrench has a slightly different ideology.

Members of this cult believe that Gadget Hackwrench, a popular cartoon character from Disney's Rescue Ranger TV Show, is actually the sister of God and an embodiment of purity on earth. They devote their lives to Gadget and even perform ritual acts that involve lighting torches and dancing around a poster of the cartoon.

I'd never heard of this, or the mouse or the Disney cartoon show. But is this any weirder than watching 'The Matrix' and thinking we are really trapped in a computer matrix, or getting one's religious ideas from 'Ancient Aliens' on The History Channel?

People who subscribe to the idea of intelligent aliens coming to earth definitely don't refer to their belief system as a "religion". How is it weird anyway? Your belief system is based on a Jewish book.

Believing that aliens creating humans by giving them a quantum leap in their evolution isn't an idea which comes from Ancient Aliens. It is a common motif from all over the world that the different cultures depicted their pantheon of gods descending from the sky in "flying boats".

In Hinduism there is the Vimana, which were the mythological flying palaces or chariots. The Hindu gods used their chariots to descend to earth from heaven.

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In ancient Egyptian mythology the gods came from the sky to visit earth and the temples their were a patron god of.

So because some ancient polytheists had stories of gods descending in boats, and science fiction authors and movie writers came up with movies about space aliens coming down in ships, you think the science fiction stories must be true?

From what I've read, the more intense interactions with aliens seem like they may be supernatural, occultic encounters, anyway. Those into the occult are more likely to have the encounters. The technology they appear to use and where they claim to be from with fits with popular ideas of the time.

This is something common across all ancient cultures. Including in biblical narratives where God, who is supposed to be everywhere, summons Enoch to the Heavens. Angels come to earth to collect him and don't they take him on a flying cloud to see Yahweh?

Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him. The stuff about the angel and flying cloud or even the part about summoning him to the heavens isn't in the books accepted in the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, or Protestant canon of scripoture. At least it's

The bible itself is a plagiarism from Sumerian mythology which is about the pantheon of the Anunnaki. Those who from heaven came. Almost all the epics have a biblical story which was modified to give Yahweh the role of Enki when it comes to saving humanity.

There is probably some vague similarity you could point to. Mankind had knowledge of the Creator, and then started worshipping idols and engaging with other spirits.

Plus how can you explain megalithic structures from around the world? Not just the pyramids in Egypt, which correlate to the stars of Orion according to the Orion Correlation Theory. Also, the pyramids are almost mathematically perfect. I don't see how Egyptian builders or Jewish slaves could've accomplished such a thing.

Time period wise, I don't think Hebrews were supposed to have worked on any pyramids anyway. But what does your question have to do with space aliens? People back then had intelligence like people do now. Technologies have been lost. In the middle ages, some of the Roman architecture must have seemed rather amazing. Eventually, Europeans learned again who to build great buildings out of stone. The Romans knew how to make concrete. The ability to make it was recovered in the 1800s.

Other places like Sacsayhuamán in Peru where the blocks are placed so tightly together you could not even get a cigarette paper between them.

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Looks like these blocks were cut with laser precision! Can such expert stonemasonry even be done today? How did people around different parts of the world construct these megalithic structures using only primitive tools? How can they move these giant blocks, cut them precisely and transport them, sometimes miles, then lift them on top of others with basic pulley systems? Which theory about the existence of megalithic structures is more absurd when you truly think about it?

I am not seeing the argument here. Look--laser precision and you can't get a cigarette paper in between the crack--must be aliens. Have you ever seen a space alien cut a stone with laser precision and try to stick a cigarette paper in between the cracks and not be able to? I haven't. Archeologists looked in pre-Columbian America and saw some pottery that resembled the pottery style in Japan and theorized there might have been some trade going back and forth. But they had evidence on both ends-- pottery in Japan that resembled the pot in the Americas. But where is the evidence for the aliens having the laser-cut looking rocks in this case? If scientists and archeologists aren't sure how they didn't, that doesn't prove space aliens were involved.

[MrMan]

So because some ancient polytheists had stories of gods descending in boats, and science fiction authors and movie writers came up with movies about space aliens coming down in ships, you think the science fiction stories must be true?

From what I've read, the more intense interactions with aliens seem like they may be supernatural, occultic encounters, anyway. Those into the occult are more likely to have the encounters. The technology they appear to use and where they claim to be from with fits with popular ideas of the time.

No. This is based on the study of ancient mythologies and the common motifs from all different areas of the world which suggest at some time humanity had interaction with these beings. It is not based from some Ridley Scott movie or some bullshit from the Wayans Sister rubbish.

Ancient mythologies didn't say there were men living on other planets traveling around in saucers visiting the earth, did they? That's a modern concept promoted in sci-fi books, TV shows, and films. You are taking this modern concept and interpreting ancient religions through it.

I've had interactions with various gods and goddesses from ancient cultures during transcendental spiritual experiences induced by psilocybin. In a metaphysical sense, I saw these gods with my own eyes and interacted with them. Shiva from Hinduism and Isis from Egyptian mythology and also Ninhursag from Sumerian mythology. Because from all these different mythologies the deities they worshipped as gods were the same but given different names.

You'll probably dismiss any kind of spiritual experiences as nonsense, yet these kind of experiences are a global thing and not exclusive to my imagination.

Let's back up a little bit here. I am not saying you couldn't have had genuine experiences with spirit beings. It is possible drugs could enable that. I am not convinced either way, but it is a good reason not to use drugs like that. I knew a guy, someone my brother used to work with, who used to huff butane when he was a teen. He went to rehab over it. Once after huffing butane, he had a trip where he was in a factory and just worked there in the factory. Was there really a spiritual factory? Or was this the affects of the drugs?

I do think there are spirits behind these entities you are talking about. I would most likely consider them to be demons, maybe some of them angelic beings but I am not quite sure about that. Demon/shedim may be a lesser type of being.

But this isn't really consistent with the aliens=UFO theory is it? At least, if aliens are supposed to be regular physical beings made out of matter like us that live on some planet in another solar system who travel here in flying saucers or an even cooler-looking space craft, that doesn't line up with your experience and your theory. If you had a drug trip and talked to your mother in it, and your mom was off somewhere else, she would have no memory of it. You wouldn't be talking to her. If an alien is just a physical person from another planet in a space ship, it's not going to experience or remember a drug-trip conversation with you.

I suspect a lot of the UFO experiences with space aliens, the stuff that can't be explained by water balloons, a reflection of a light fixture in the window that show up in a photograph, etc, is occultic in nature. Previously, i have posted videos from Dr. Hugh Ross on the forum. He is one of the few astrophysicists who has interviewed those who have seen UFO's, alien abductees, etc. He found that the more intense the individual's experience with the occult, the more intense their UFO experience. Dabblers might see a ship. Those who get abducted are more likely to be very involved in the occult.

He quoted two other scientists, agnostics actually, who researched this sort of thing, one of whom did a report on UFO for Congress who concluded that accounts of encounters with UFOs were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons. Ross points out that space aliens often communicate with telepathy, their space ships violate the laws of physics. Their light beams sometimes do not dissipate, contrary to the laws of physics.

Space aliens just give a cover story that fits with contemporary science ideas. A few generations ago, UFOs travelled slightly faster than blimps, which doesn't make sense if they came from space. Some of them claimed to come from the back side of the moon, which they don't claim now because it doesn't match our scientific knowledge.

There was a book called 'Communion' about a man's experience with aliens. He wrote about how evil they were. He even wondered if they were demons. I've also read that alien abductions that were starting stopped when the individual being abducted called on the name of Jesus.

I am not saying you could not have had a real experience. And I might agree with you to some extent that the spirits called gods in ancient times might be the same entities now considered to be aliens. But I don't agree that they are space aliens, material people living on other planets who get here in space ships.

I'll continue in my next post.

[MrMan]

Yahweh doesn't interact with Christians. Even though he could if the bible is to be believed.

I believe I addressed this point earlier. But yes He certainly does. And there probably thousands if not millions of books out there, and now videos and such, that address the topic.

For a lot of Christians, one of the most simple ways Yahweh interact is by answering prayer. I've experienced God answering lots of prayers, and not just 'help me to do well on the test next week', then studying and doing well, or 'help me to get a job'. There is plenty of that sort of thing.

I'll give a little example from a few days back. My son was replacing a filter on the car he drives and the hose either cracked or was already cracked. So he replaced that. For a couple of days after that, he couldn't find his keys. I hadn't been using the car, so I had no memory of where the keys were. So I told him, when he loses something, pray and ask God for help. I had faith to believe God to show me where the keys were at that time. I'd experienced other things like that. So I prayed with him, and prayed that as God showed Samuel where Saul's father's lost donkey's were, that God could show us where this key was. So I asked him if he'd checked in the front area of the house. I had almost like a picture or kind of sense of that bench in the front. Sure enough, I went over there and pulled away a pillow and there it was, the first spot I checked after praying. It was right there. I told my wife about it and she mentioned that happening before. I remember praying with her about a flash drive like that.

I used to pray with people a lot and get specific details to pray about. Like one guy I had met once at church that I didn't really know, and I start praying about needing to replace his car. He asked his wife if she had told my wife about their car issues. They had been talking a lot. This was a retreat and I had just arrived. Anyway, I have had lots of experiences like that, and occasional visions in the form of pictures that drop in my mind when I pray, including when I prayed for God to show me my future wife.

I don't prophesy per se. I think what I've gotten is more in the word of knowledge category, and maybe some of it was actually prophesying on a few occasions. My wife does prophesy. She's prophesied over people about future events. Indonesians seem to be get stuck more easily in a certain social status and job and it is hard to get out. If you are a security guard, you kind of stay at that social level. Low level service jobs in cities include 'cleaning service' janitor type jobs, 'office boys' who make photocopies. My wife prophesied over a young janitor one day about how he would have a ministry leadership role, and teaching or training he would do for ministers/preachers. Years later he found her on facebook and told her how he was a janitor back then, but how he became the head of a yayasan (non profit) and how the ministry he did was what she prophesied.

There is also prophesying specific details. I have seen a lot of that. My strongest spiritual gift is teacher. That's how I minister in the Christian community. We have a meeting in our home. It has also been my vocation for much of my life, and I teach for a living now (along with research and service.) I cannot count how many times someone prophesied over me or shared a word of knowledge or word of encouragement that my gift was teaching, that I was a teacher, etc. This has happened with people I just met, who didn't know what I do or what I am like, or even what I do for a living. I realized a while back I didn't think much of it. "I know I'm a teacher.... tell me something new." I'd forgotten to be amazed at the work of God in this and rejoice in it, and also to take it as encouragement to be zealous about my gift and ministry. It's pretty cool when God shows someone something about it.

I've seen prophecies and praying 'words of knowledge' with specific detail the one doing the praying wouldn't naturally know quite a bit. One man, a guest who didn't know the people in the congregation, prophesied to the young person who was going to work at a summer camp about his working at a summer camp. To the other guy who was going to work on a cruise ship he prophesied about his work on a cruise ship. I know no one there knew about my parent's plan to build a house or my dad's specific field of construction, but that is what he prayed and prophesied about. He prayed with a couple of teenagers after a meeting, and they cracked up laughing when he prayed about their friend 'Toby' and his crazy driving. Who has a friend named 'Toby'? That's a rare name, or at least it was in the region of the country where this happened.

I've also experienced getting a prophecy in one city, and going elsewhere and someone else prophesies that over me, encouraging me in a decision I made.

And I've experience God answering some incredibly specific answers to prayer. My wife got a little high strung during a pregnancy, and was a bit hard to get along with for a while. Then, she tells me that God had told her such and such about a woman at church, and the woman told her that thing. That sort of thing happens to her from time to time. She also has recently told me about some visions of God she's had, visions of Christ also. Some Christians have such experiences. But back to back then, she was a bit hard to get along with. So I pray this detailed prayer, with basically 7 or so topical areas, detailed stuff. I asked God to speak to her about this as His daughter. I argued my case that I John teaches that anything we ask according to His will we know we have it, and I argued my case that this was God's reveal for wives revealed in scripture. And I had this sense of faith that God would answer my prayer. My list was super detailed, stuff that would be hard to talk to her about the way things were going.

So a couple of nights later, my wife asks me to sit next to her. I didn't want to argue again, but she looked like she was going to be nice. She told me I was a good husband. She told me something that had happened at a Bible study at church. The leader of the Bible study asked if they had a problem with anger. She thought she didn't. She said if you get angry at how your husband does the dishes, you might have a problem with anger. A few days before this big prayer, my wife had gotten upset over the way I put some dishes in the dishwasher, and I'd prayed about that, and realized I hadn't been praying for her about such character issues and that I needed to.

So then she realized this applied to her, and she said the Lord told her some things. So she starts going through my prayer list. But if I prayed a few sentences, she had a page or two of things she said the Lord told her, much deeper than what I'd prayed or thought. Every item on my list, she went through, except one that a few weeks later she said the Lord spoke to her about. This type of answered prayer experience is just as amazing to me as a fulfilled prophecy or a detailed prophecy or word of knowledge. And after that, my wife turned into the sweetest wife. It's like we were dating again. We'd stay up until 2 AM if we weren't careful talking and enjoying each other's company.

I've also prayed for material stuff when I was in need. I was moving to an expensive area, putting all of my families belongings that I would take in luggage to take there, and we'd have to find a place to live and buy furniture. The sole of my shoe cracked, and I was able to finish the move with some really old messed up looking shoes that I wasn't going to take because my bags were too full. I prayed that on the other end where I was going, I would find some brand new shoes at a thrift store that were so cheap they were almost free.

So we get there and look for apartments and cars day after day. One day, my wife wants to sleep in. I say I am going out to get those shoes I prayed for. There was a thrift store there, which I found out later was usually closed that day of the week. There was a cardboard box outside of the tiny shop there at a community center. On top of it were some brand-new looking shoes. I thought, "Those are the shoes I prayed for." But of course I had to check them to make sure they were my size. Of course, they were. I went in the store and tried them on and asked about them. The girl said normally they were $14, but today, they were $2. They were a good brand that a runner classmate of mine recommended for running. So I bought them and thanked God for the shoes.

When we were leaving, we were packing up all our stuff after years of grad-school induced poverty. We'd had a small business for part of the time, and managed to keep paying the rent and staying alive. But I thought I did not have the money to move to the next location over the Pacific. But Christians my wife knew started giving her money, which we used to move. We still had a bit of packing to do at home, and my wife wanted to stay at an all-night prayer meeting. So when it starts, she tells me that a certain sister just gave her $400. I appreciated it, but if people were going to give us money, I'd like to collect some of it too, not just my wife. So I pray, "I'd like someone to give me $400."

A while later, I knew I needed to leave and go pack. I saw a woman and her son we knew, and I knew he had to go to school the next morning. I knew they did not have a car. So I offer them a ride. I drop them off where they live and she comes over to my window and said she and her husband had talked about this, and we had been a blessing to them, and they wanted to give me something. She gives me some money. I knew they didn't live in a fancy place or anything. They were probably doing better than us, but I was going to give the money back. But I looked at it. It was $400. I didn't dare give it back after praying that prayer. I told her what had happened, and I trusted God to provide even more for their family.

I can think of an even more incredibly specific prayer off the top of my head. A lot of this stuff, I don't always remember at the moment, but I have seen numerous prophecies like this, too many to count, many answers to prayer. Yahweh does interact with His people in numerous ways. I didn't take a drug trip for any of this to happen, either.

Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him. The stuff about the angel and flying cloud or even the part about summoning him to the heavens isn't in the books accepted in the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, or Protestant canon of scripture.

Why was it conveniently removed? Possibly because the whole story sounded top much like an alien abduction?

It's not one of the books in the canon. Many believe the book is 'intertestamental' written after the Old Testament was written. Also, the version of it that exists is from Amharic, an Ethiopian language, not Hebrew or Greek.

But if you have read Enoch, why would you think it sounds like an 'alien abduction.'

There are people who have experiences with spirits other than Yahweh. Some of these experiences may be dressed up in the guise of the current sci-fi mythology about aliens to make people think these spirits are space aliens. But doesn't it make a lot more sense that a drug trip might open you up to spirits than to physical beings from other planets?

[MrMan]

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There is probably some vague similarity you could point to. Mankind had knowledge of the Creator, and then started worshipping idols and engaging with other spirits.

There is no "vague similarity". The Sumerian cuneiform tablets are the first known human writings and the bible plagiarised a lot of key events from this ancient mythology. These texts outdate the bible by thousands of years. The similarities are striking and not to be dismissed as some "vague similarity" the Jews stole the material from ancient Sumerian mythology and couldn't even be bothered to think of something original to deceive people with.

The story of the creation of man in ancient sumerian mythology recounts the story of Enki who addresses his father and brother regarding the creation of man. He suggests this because some lesser gods are tired of their service to higher gods. In this mythology the gods were Annunaki and the lesser gods were the Igigi.

I didn't have your specifics in mind when I wrote that. There are some stories that we see in the Bible that contain similarities to stories throughout various cultures. The Greeks also had a flood story. One of the groups in Southeast Asia, I think it was the Karen of Burma, had a traditional belief that a God named Yawa made a man and woman and put them in a garden, that they sinned, and they were in bondage because of it. One of their prophets said that a white man with a black book would tell them about Yawa. Much later, another of their prophets told his disciples to follow a donkey to the man they had been waiting for. The donkey stopped at a well being dug. Out popped a blond-haired Swedish missionary.

Many cultures have myths that align with the Biblical accounts in some way or another, but it is not an exact correspondence. Many cultures, even animists, have some sort of idea of the most high God, even if they have taken up worshipping lesser spirits. I spoke with a Dani tribesman, an educated one, whose parents were stone-aged tribesmen on the island of New Guinea. He said in his people's former religion, they did have an idea of 'Orang besar.' If I wanted to comically translate that, it could say it means 'big Guy', but it could be translated 'Big Person'. They had an idea of a supreme Being. Many people-groups do. Don Richardson has written about this in 'Eternity in their Hearts.'

God did make man out of the dust of the earth. There was a flood. Memory of these things still shows up in various culture's legends, in the shape of Chinese characters, and various other pieces of evidence. By the time Moses came along, there were some legends that preserved bits of pieces of this information, but mankind had become corrupted through worshipping demons instead of the Creator, Yahweh, and Moses received true revelation about Him.

Telling of the gods using our primitive ancestors DNA and their own to give humanity a quantum leap in our evolution.

That's not what you quoted. But if on the one hand, you claim 'non material' type experiences with these spirits, and then on the other hand, reinterpret them to be regular corporeal beings in space ships, you were being inconsistent.

Technology has been lost? You mean the likes of which that built the Pyramids and other megalithic structures around the world? And there is no evidence of this?

No evidence of this? You yourself argued that moderns do not know how they made the pyramids. Ergo, the technology has been lost... unless you were wrong about that. There could be some continued technology to do this out there that neither of us know about.

I remember going on a tour of a university when I was college freshman aged. The university had rebuilt some brick arches that were constructed whenever it was, early 1800s when the buildings were built. They had trouble finding anyone who could do it. It was probably fairly widespread for brick masons to do such things back then, but since then, we have become dependent on concrete, etc., so a lot of those skills haven't been kept up. Do you know of any workmen who just know how to build the flying buttresses on medieval cathedrals? That stuff would probably have to be relearned and figured out by a construction company trying to do a restoration.

The Ancient Alien hypothesis makes more sense than that. Beings millions of years more advanced than us with technology that seems like magic to us.

Then where would they have gotten their technology? And why would you need to take drugs to meet them, and how could you meet physical beings up in a space ship somewhere by taking a drug?

They built the megalithic structures we see today and took their technology with them when they left.

If the pyramids were built out of some kind of space metal instead of stone materials we have here on earth, you might have a stronger case. Why are the structures as 'primitive' as they are-- stone structures, instead of space metal buildings with doors that slide open like Star Trek doors when you walk up to them?

I read the Egyptians had some gold-etched plates, but there was some scientific speculation they could have used them as low-power solar panels to glow in pyramids and elsewhere, or even to have a bit of magnetic track technology where they could have little 'hubber plates' to put the rocks on. There could be some lost technology from back then.

Please explain to me how these megalithic structures were built with primitive tools? Blocks that modern cranes would struggle to lift. There is no way ancient cultures would be able to build these structures as they are understood today.

So maybe they had some lost technology that is not understood today. Why would this technology have to have come from aliens? And if you think they came from aliens, are these supposed to be physical beings, or spiritual beings one could hypothetically meet on a drug trip?

Plus you think people back then were intelligent enough to build megalithic structures like the pyramids with primitive tools, but when it comes to documenting things to pass down they are a bunch of polytheistic nitwits?

The Romans had concrete but somehow it didn't get passed down. They were polytheists. Bad religious beliefs doesn't necessarily make a culture 'nitwits' when it comes to technology. We have pretty great technology, but I heard several years ago, paper is made out of materials that deteriorate after so many decades. Video tapes and CD Roms deteriorate. A lot of material has been preserved in Egypt because it is so dry and they preserved some things as carvings. I don't know if they valued preserving writings for thousands of years or not. Some slivers of ancient knowledge are passed down by what happened to be preserved.

I wouldn't rule out some supernatural power to cut pyramid stones as a theoretical, but maybe unlikely, possibility. Egyptian sorcerers had some level of power. They couldn't make gnats, though.

What about applying your own question to aliens. Were they too much of a society of polytheistic nitwits to explain that the pyramid technology came from people from other planets?

I am not seeing the argument here. Look--laser precision and you can't get a cigarette paper in between the crack--must be aliens. Have you ever seen a space alien cut a stone with laser precision and try to stick a cigarette paper in between the cracks and not be able to? I haven't. Archeologists looked in pre-Columbian America and saw some pottery that resembled the pottery style in Japan and theorized there might have been some trade going back and forth. But they had evidence on both ends-- pottery in Japan that resembled the pot in the Americas. But where is the evidence for the aliens having the laser-cut looking rocks in this case? If scientists and archeologists aren't sure how they didn't, that doesn't prove space aliens were involved.

We are not talking about a pot. You could not ship a pyramid from one side of the earth to the other.

I think you are missing my point. They can see pottery styles in Japan and see them in the New World in the archeological records, so they think there might be trade. You see pyramids in Egypt.... but who went to the alien civilization on a planet in outer space, found pyramids, and discovered, "The way these are cut and made is just like the ones on earth." We don't have that, except maybe for Stargate, and that was science fiction, and I don't remember if they had any pyramids on that planet in the movie.

What we have is big pyramids, and we don't know how they were built for sure. That doesn't prove that there are physical beings on another planet that came here and build them. It just proves that someone build them.

The point is that no modern architect could recreate these megalithic structures.

Most modern architects can't really build much. They are on the artistic side of building, and the mechanical engineers and actual builders are more on the technical side.

But if they don't know how to build stuff the way ancients build them, that doesn't mean aliens did it. After Rome moved its capital to the east and eventually abandoned Rome and the west over the centuries, some of that technology was they used was lost. People who lived in less advanced structures would see bridges they did not know how to build, structures built with concrete, etc. Does this prove aliens build the aqueducts, bridges, and the coloseum? Of course not. Why would modern construction people not knowing how the pyramids were built prove that aliens built them?

They are unique and nobody will be building anything like them any time soon. The evidence for laser precision is in the structures themselves. That was my point.

Why is it inconceivable for aliens to visit earth? Its a vast cosmos out there. I find it curious that you believe the word of the bible on faith, but you don't consider the possibility of alien life having a hand in the Creation of humanity.

More stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on Earth. It is pretty ignorant to assume we are the only ones that inhabit the cosmos. It's also ignorant to assume we are the most intelligent species out here. I reckon other alien races see humanity as the bumpkins of the universe...
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[galii]

When you look at Göbekli Tepe where civilization started more or less. These dudes could write already. So building a big primitive pyramide does cost a lot of work but it is still a bit primitive. So it took people 10k years to build pyramids and bridges. That is not special unless you are from team FE.

[galii]

When you look at Göbekli Tepe where civilization started more or less. These dudes could write already. So building a big primitive pyramide does cost a lot of work but it is still a bit primitive. So it took people 10k years to build pyramids and bridges. That is not special unless you are from team FE.

I disagree. I don't think there is anything primitive about the pyramids. They show extraordinary skills of engineering, astrology, mathematics and logistics. Modern architects can't build such marvels even today. Saying that such a feat is primitive shows your utter lack of understanding in what you are talking about.

Check this out:

While Egypt's Great Pyramid of Giza is by far the most talked-about pyramid in the world, it isn't the biggest by a long shot. That title goes to the Great Pyramid of Cholula - an ancient Aztec temple in Puebla, Mexico with a base four times larger than Giza's, and nearly twice the volume

But for some reason people do not care to connect them to Aliens though it is much bigger. People just want to hear crazy stories.




It is not that difficult to lift huge weights with primitive technology

[galii]

When you drive with the car up the mountain you do not get lifted. Same with the pyramid stones. They build a ramp. You do not need aliens for that.

Btw the pyramids are a joke compared to the Chinese wall. I think you would not say aliens did it. Right?

Btw here you see how to move 14 tons of a statue from Easter Island.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf ... ss_easter/

The biggest one of the originals is 75 tons heavy. It dwarfs the 2.5 tons of the pyramids.

Aliens would not care for shitty pyramids anyway. It is a stupid thing to build. Smart cultures did not build stuff like because it is stupid.

[galii]

When you drive with the car up the mountain you do not get lifted. Same with the pyramid stones. They build a ramp. You do not need aliens for that.

Btw the pyramids are a joke compared to the Chinese wall. I think you would not say aliens did it. Right?

Btw here you see how to move 14 tons of a statue from Easter Island.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf ... ss_easter/

The biggest one of the originals is 75 tons heavy. It dwarfs the 2.5 tons of the pyramids.

Aliens would not care for shitty pyramids anyway. It is a stupid thing to build. Smart cultures did not build stuff like because it is stupid.

How do you know what aliens would or would not build? Nobody knows how or why the pyramids were built, there is only speculation. I think the pyramids built by what was it? 100,000 slaves in a timeframe of 20 years is completely bollocks.

How long would it have taken to shuffle those massive blocks up crudely built ramps to a height of 500 feet?! Also you conveniently dodged the question about the mathematical perfection of the pyramids or why and how they are aligned with Orions Belt. Even modern architects and engineers admit they would not be able to recreate the majestic quality of the pyramids.

The Pyramids of Egypt and other megalithic structures around the world the likes of Machu Picchu piss all over the poxy Great Wall of China. The Great Wall is only 16 feet high. The pyramids tower at almost 500 feet. I think the pyramids are way more impressive and way more mysterious than the Great Wall.

Time to build:
20 years Pyramid
632 years Colongne Cathedreal !!!
2300 years Chinese Wall


Weight the Chinese Wall
100.000.000 tonnes

Pyramid
5.750.000 tonnes

Length
0,25km Pyramid
21.000 km Chinese Wall

As to mathematical perfection: Most high cultures like Persians and Greeks could have done it easily. That math was not exceptional. The astronomical thing is not special at all. They had astronomers and math guys watching the sky for thousands of years. So they used them as inspiration.

To build a pyramid is a dick move. You show you have a big dick. That is why they build it. Pharaoh wanted to show he is the numero uno macho man. Other primitive cultures did that too like the Mayas.

Building pyramids is the most easy thing relatively speaking. Get off Pharao’s dick bro.

Smart cultures like Persians, Greeks, Chinese build much more civilized stuff.

[galii]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ ... _in_egypt/

There the Aliens did a mistake

[galii]

When you drive with the car up the mountain you do not get lifted. Same with the pyramid stones. They build a ramp. You do not need aliens for that.

Btw the pyramids are a joke compared to the Chinese wall. I think you would not say aliens did it. Right?

Btw here you see how to move 14 tons of a statue from Easter Island.
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf ... ss_easter/

The biggest one of the originals is 75 tons heavy. It dwarfs the 2.5 tons of the pyramids.

Aliens would not care for shitty pyramids anyway. It is a stupid thing to build. Smart cultures did not build stuff like because it is stupid.

How do you know what aliens would or would not build? Nobody knows how or why the pyramids were built, there is only speculation. I think the pyramids built by what was it? 100,000 slaves in a timeframe of 20 years is completely bollocks.

How long would it have taken to shuffle those massive blocks up crudely built ramps to a height of 500 feet?! Also you conveniently dodged the question about the mathematical perfection of the pyramids or why and how they are aligned with Orions Belt. Even modern architects and engineers admit they would not be able to recreate the majestic quality of the pyramids.

The Pyramids of Egypt and other megalithic structures around the world the likes of Machu Picchu piss all over the poxy Great Wall of China. The Great Wall is only 16 feet high. The pyramids tower at almost 500 feet. I think the pyramids are way more impressive and way more mysterious than the Great Wall.

Time to build:
20 years Pyramid
632 years Colongne Cathedreal !!!
2300 years Chinese Wall


Weight the Chinese Wall
100.000.000 tonnes

Pyramid
5.750.000 tonnes

Length
0,25km Pyramid
21.000 km Chinese Wall

As to mathematical perfection: Most high cultures like Persians and Greeks could have done it easily. That math was not exceptional. The astronomical thing is not special at all. They had astronomers and math guys watching the sky for thousands of years. So they used them as inspiration.

To build a pyramid is a dick move. You show you have a big dick. That is why they build it. Pharaoh wanted to show he is the numero uno macho man. Other primitive cultures did that too like the Mayas.

Building pyramids is the most easy thing relatively speaking. Get off Pharao’s dick bro.

Smart cultures like Persians, Greeks, Chinese build much more civilized stuff.

Yeah, the Greeks were pretty bang on with both astrology and mathematics. But... they never built anything like the Pyramids of Giza and nothing they made aligned perfectly with stars of the night sky did they, Señor Galimatías

Look Pixilott again they had no reason to build something that stupid and unnecessary. Pythagoras for shure knew his math.

The Chinese wall is 50 times bigger. So relax and stop dreaming.

[galii]

It is so technically easy to build a pyramid

[galii]

It is so technically easy to build a pyramid

You keep showing me videos of someone lifting a block a fraction of the weight of one of the pyramid stones. Also you need to show me a video of someone moving one of these blocks up a crude wooden ramp like the people apparently did in Egypt. Not forgetting the pyramids are 500ft tall. But whatever you say, Señor Galimatías.

Nobody talks about a wooden ramp. Of course they used a solid stone ramp. It is like saying the chinese wall is made of wood. That is stupid pixilot.

You can actually do the math how much force is needet to push the stones up the wall. First you have to accept that Gravity exists Pixilot




Then you start the calculation

[WilliamSmith]

Yes, that was pretty impressive. Not going to lie. Very good demonstration on how to stand a single stone block. Now all you need to do is find a video of someone using the same techniques to get a stone block weighing 2 or 3 tons almost 500 hundred feet in the air and I'll be convinced.

What about Machu Picchu all the way up in the mountains in Peru? Built with no mortar, but just massive blocks perfectly fused together? What primitive technology made this possible?



Here are some other images of megalithic structures from different parts of the world where the same method of construction is used. Massive stone blocks weighing tons perfectly fused together so perfectly as if cut with laser precision.



With the Pyramids of Giza they are well known. Not only do they boast exceptional engineering, as I mentioned above, but they are also almost mathematically perfect, being off by only a fraction. Plus they align with the stars of Orions belt, further pointing to extraterrestrial origins.

Great stuff here in this post @Pixel--Dude, I've looked into this topic too in the past and found it quite fascinating, and that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to inexplicable feats of engineering in some of these ancient structures, often in a context where the surrounding natives also maintained a tradition that they did not build it themselves, but that "men from the stars" or something such were responsible for building it, like Puma Punku, if I remember correctly.

I didn't read the rest of the thread or any of the religious stuff yet (would like to, just need more time), but the guy (not MrMan this time, I didn't read what he posted in this one yet) comparing the Great Wall of China to the Great Pyramids can't possibly even be serious, LOL, pretty sure he's just a troll having some fun and can't actually be that dumb. (Not that the Great Wall isn't an impressive feat, which it is, but it's totally crude vs the sophisticated engineering of the Pyramids and some other sites like Puma Punku which even contemporary engineers can't explain.) There's also some bizarre feats of engineering inside the biggest Pyramid like these perfectly formed enormous shafts so small they only got explored recently by remote controlled robots, since no human could ever fit inside these tiny but extensive chutes going all the way through large parts of the structure and ending in strange chambers with nothing even in them, so the "official" explanation it was just ancient Egyptians building crypts and showing off is extremely unconvincing, to say the least.

We should do a thread compiling all the hard evidence about the "Ancient Aliens" hypothesis sometime, but I won't be around much this month, so will have to look forward to that pleasure later (unless someone wants to start without me). Not sure if there already is a good one or not, I didn't search for that but this seems like the kind of thing @Winston and a lot of other members here would find interesting...

[MrMan]

Yes, that was pretty impressive. Not going to lie. Very good demonstration on how to stand a single stone block. Now all you need to do is find a video of someone using the same techniques to get a stone block weighing 2 or 3 tons almost 500 hundred feet in the air and I'll be convinced.

What about Machu Picchu all the way up in the mountains in Peru? Built with no mortar, but just massive blocks perfectly fused together? What primitive technology made this possible?

That's all the more evidence of human ingenuity. Is there any kind of evidence linking this and the pyramids to some kind of space alien race? The materials are all natural and 'primitive'. Thousands of years ago, people had intelligence like we do today. Especially if they had a civilization of many generations developing mathematics and their own version of engineering, they could figure out how to build impressive structures. If that was lost over time and our scholars debate how it was done, that doesn't mean aliens had to have done it.

How many people who study pyramids and ancient structures and how they were built are actually structural engineers? Are they archeologists who aren't specialists in building who speculate on how things were done?

With the Pyramids of Giza they are well known. Not only do they boast exceptional engineering, as I mentioned above, but they are also almost mathematically perfect, being off by only a fraction. Plus they align with the stars of Orions belt, further pointing to extraterrestrial origins.

Non sequitur, IMO in that last line. Plenty of ancient civilizations relied on the stars for navigation or had aspects of their religion in which astronomy/astrology were considered important. There were priests and scholars in various cultures studying the stars. Before street lights and pollution, people could spend many hours nearly every night looking at the stars.

Great stuff here in this post @Pixel--Dude, I've looked into this topic too in the past and found it quite fascinating, and that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to inexplicable feats of engineering in some of these ancient structures, often in a context where the surrounding natives also maintained a tradition that they did not build it themselves, but that "men from the stars" or something such were responsible for building it, like Puma Punku, if I remember correctly.

I saw an 'ancient aliens' clip about this place. The big fat drill holes didn't look like they were made with lasers, and they didn't post any credentials for the guy that suggested the carvings were done with laser technology. It's pretty impressive to build something like that, but the ancient alien thing seems pretty low on credibility as far as I can tell. That TV show has basically created a religion, or turned a tiny one into a much larger one.

Do you have a source for a legend that 'men from the starts' built Puma Punku? It's so old that any legends about it might have developed much later. I know that there were ancient mythologies that associated starts with gods, like the Romans did to some extent with their emperors and such. Do you know of any legends about men from the starts building these things.

It may be that spirits that want a following and undeserved worship or attention from men may just make up lies to go along with the contemporary mythology. So since the 1800's and the idea of life on other planets, that may be one of the avenues they use to accomplish their aims, aligning their claims to occult practitioners with a contemporary mythology. Like I pointed out, in the early 20th century, space craft flew just a bit faster than our own and the aliens were supposedly from the back side of the moon. That doesn't work now, so it's intersteller travel. Thousands of years ago, they could claim to be gods in alignment with the popular cosmology of the day.

According to https://engineeringtravel.wordpress.com ... pumapunku/
"While impressive, Pumapunku doesn’t seem to be so outrageous that aliens were needed."

The "men from the stars" motif is prevalent across pretty much every ancient culture in the world.

So what evidence is there for this... from the ___stars____, not the heavens. I know of associating deities with specific stars from 'old world' mythologies and culture.