Why do you think Mongers and PUA's don't cross paths?

[ArchibaultNew]

Hey guys,

In theory mongers and PUAs should be "similar" however, in reality, they couldn't be more different. While it seems both groups are after sex with beautiful women in reality it seems things play out very differently.

Note: I distinguish mongers from simps. Mongers are guys who pay and have sex. Simps are guys who pay and get nothing.

Monger: You could be a monger and go to a big city and have your money and then bang a lot of hookers. Most mongers to me seem to care about having sex with beautiful women and don't care about "morality" or "correctness." At least, most mongers I meet are also open-minded guys who are not overly 'judgemental" towards women. Many mongers I've met also seem like guys who have a more direct mindset, "I'm here to have sex" and don't care about playing games.

My take: If you want to have sex with women, then mongering is more oriented toward that.

PUA: Meanwhile, it seems if you are a PUA, you can also go to a big city and bang a lot of hot girls. However, I feel that in theory, many people think PUAs are living a "glorified life." However, I think PUA is a very "Ego" dominated type of culture. Many guys tend to lean more toward social conservatism and judge other guys. As that guy pays for a drink he's a loser. Or that girl slept with a few other guys she's loose...etc. Also, I've noticed many guys who are in this field tend to have high standards like I want a girl who can cook, clean..etc. Also PUA is very slow like going fishing, most likely you'll get 1 or 2 women a month at best.

My take: If you want to have a lot of male friends who admire you and maybe get a long-term gf along the way tend maybe PUA might be more your alley.

[Cornfed]

My take: If you want to have a lot of male friends who admire you and maybe get a long-term gf along the way tend maybe PUA might be more your alley.

Eh, PUA is about being a clownish douchebag for the amusement of skanks so they will have sex with you. If you wanted to not be reviled and get a relationship you would go overseas, become high status within a community or something.

[Winston]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

[galii]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

Another difference a monger does not need conversation skills and social skills as much as a pua.

[peregrino]

However, I think PUA is a very "Ego" dominated type of culture. Many guys tend to lean more toward social conservatism and judge other guys. As that guy pays for a drink he's a loser. Or that girl slept with a few other guys she's loose...etc. Also, I've noticed many guys who are in this field tend to have high standards like I want a girl who can cook, clean..etc.

I noticed that too. It's like they spend so much time theorizing about how women think that they start to adopt a very feminine kind of egoistic and judgement driven mentality.

[Winston]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

Another difference a monger does not need conversation skills and social skills as much as a pua.

Only in theory. In reality there's no such thing as social skills. A person either likes you or they don't. They either resonate with you or they don't. Social skills don't make a difference. In Asia many shy people with little conversation skills who are quiet and not assertive have a lot of friends if they break into a clique. It takes no effort. If everyone around you is fearful and narrow minded and you are too, then you resonate with the clique. You don't need social skills. Social skills only matter in sales jobs or if you are a diplomat. I explained this to you before. In high school I had great social skills in the last year but no cliques wanted me to hang with them. I swear. It's all a myth.

[galii]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

Another difference a monger does not need conversation skills and social skills as much as a pua.

Only in theory. In reality there's no such thing as social skills. A person either likes you or they don't. They either resonate with you or they don't. Social skills don't make a difference. In Asia many shy people with little conversation skills who are quiet and not assertive have a lot of friends if they break into a clique. It takes no effort. If everyone around you is fearful and narrow minded and you are too, then you resonate with the clique. You don't need social skills. Social skills only matter in sales jobs or if you are a diplomat. I explained this to you before. In high school I had great social skills in the last year but no cliques wanted me to hang with them. I swear. It's all a myth.

There may be exceptions, but in general, it's not true. Being good with social skills takes a lot of time, so it might seem like it doesn't work, but it does. For example, I am much better at conversation now than I was 10 years ago. If I were to meet my former self, I wouldn't like talking to him. My communication skills are much better now, and I can listen much better. Most people cannot listen; they love to hear themselves talk.

Do you remember when it was your birthday, and you and the other person argued about who had better listening skills? I suggested using an alarm clock, giving everyone one minute to argue their point. When it was your turn, you didn't even have to say anything.

There's a reason why mature people don't want to talk to young people; they are often immature and have bad communication skills.

You have to bring value to people. Where I live, I teach children and adults table tennis, and I also teach a lot of other things. People see that what I teach works, so the more skills you can share with others, the better your communication can be.

You have to be able to control your ego. It is easy to feel for one to be disrespected but it is much more difficult to figure out if one has acted disrespectfully to others.

The most important part is to be able to be good at communicating to yourself. If you enjoy yourself than the chances are high others will also.

[peregrino]

There may be exceptions, but in general, it's not true. Being good with social skills takes a lot of time, so it might seem like it doesn't work, but it does. For example, I am much better at conversation now than I was 10 years ago. If I were to meet my former self, I wouldn't like talking to him. My communication skills are much better now, and I can listen much better.

Doesn't most of that just come from being 10 years older and having a lot more maturity and life experience?

[peregrino]

I do appreciate PUAs for being the only group that ever even tried to help average guys improve their cold approach and conversation skills. Nowadays there's absolutely nothing after the PUA scene died out. Maybe I should go back and listen to some of their old stuff.

[Outcast9428]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

Another difference a monger does not need conversation skills and social skills as much as a pua.

Only in theory. In reality there's no such thing as social skills. A person either likes you or they don't. They either resonate with you or they don't. Social skills don't make a difference. In Asia many shy people with little conversation skills who are quiet and not assertive have a lot of friends if they break into a clique. It takes no effort. If everyone around you is fearful and narrow minded and you are too, then you resonate with the clique. You don't need social skills. Social skills only matter in sales jobs or if you are a diplomat. I explained this to you before. In high school I had great social skills in the last year but no cliques wanted me to hang with them. I swear. It's all a myth.

Yeah I agree with this. I’m not sure anymore if there’s such a thing as more conformist or less conformist cultures. Every culture demands conformity of some kind. If somebody fits in better with a certain culture it’s not because they are less conformist it is because he resonates with their values better.

[galii]

But the difference is that PUA people make a lot of bogus claims with no proof and that sound unrealistic and over the top too. They don't usually have photos or videos to prove what they say. On the other hand, mongers usually have tons of pics and videos to back up what they claim. I know a few mongers that have sent me tons of raunchy photos of their p4p adventures in different countries.

Another difference a monger does not need conversation skills and social skills as much as a pua.

Only in theory. In reality there's no such thing as social skills. A person either likes you or they don't. They either resonate with you or they don't. Social skills don't make a difference. In Asia many shy people with little conversation skills who are quiet and not assertive have a lot of friends if they break into a clique. It takes no effort. If everyone around you is fearful and narrow minded and you are too, then you resonate with the clique. You don't need social skills. Social skills only matter in sales jobs or if you are a diplomat. I explained this to you before. In high school I had great social skills in the last year but no cliques wanted me to hang with them. I swear. It's all a myth.

Yeah I agree with this. I’m not sure anymore if there’s such a thing as more conformist or less conformist cultures. Every culture demands conformity of some kind. If somebody fits in better with a certain culture it’s not because they are less conformist it is because he resonates with their values better.

Resonation is a vague term. To some degree it is about competence. For example if you can't speak the language it is much more difficult to have the option to fit in. I think that is why actors are so liked because they can deal with different social settings.

I think a pua who knows acting has it much easier.