Why are Men using money in any form (like paying for drinks) for dating so stigmatized in US culture?

[ArchibaultNew]

Hey guys,

This is one of the things that I have notice about American culture. Unlike other cultures it seems men using their financial resources is deemed as "alright" or acceptable.

Meanwhile, in American culture if you use any form of money is considered, "cheating" or you are a "loser" who can only get women through money. I have always found this very interested. Since women are shamed also if they want to "date up" and are called "gold diggers." To me there's an element that's very "judgmental" in American culture. Its possible that some of this is also

Some examples:
-If you pay for a woman's ride, you are a loser.
-If you pay for a woman's drinks, you are being used for money.
-If you do any sugar dating you are also considered a loser...etc.

It's very interesting and I would like to hear your thoughts.

[Voyager1]

Hey guys,

This is one of the things that I have notice about American culture. Unlike other cultures it seems men using their financial resources is deemed as "alright" or acceptable.

Meanwhile, in American culture if you use any form of money is considered, "cheating" or you are a "loser" who can only get women through money. I have always found this very interested. Since women are shamed also if they want to "date up" and are called "gold diggers." To me there's an element that's very "judgmental" in American culture. Its possible that some of this is also

Some examples:
-If you pay for a woman's ride, you are a loser.
-If you pay for a woman's drinks, you are being used for money.
-If you do any sugar dating you are also considered a loser...etc.

It's very interesting and I would like to hear your thoughts.

That's foolish. There is no stigma like that. Women will gladly use men so they don't have to pay

[MrMan]

Hey guys,

This is one of the things that I have notice about American culture. Unlike other cultures it seems men using their financial resources is deemed as "alright" or acceptable.

Meanwhile, in American culture if you use any form of money is considered, "cheating" or you are a "loser" who can only get women through money. I have always found this very interested. Since women are shamed also if they want to "date up" and are called "gold diggers." To me there's an element that's very "judgmental" in American culture. Its possible that some of this is also

Some examples:
-If you pay for a woman's ride, you are a loser.
-If you pay for a woman's drinks, you are being used for money.
-If you do any sugar dating you are also considered a loser...etc.

It's very interesting and I would like to hear your thoughts.

Sugar dating.... loser? I get that. That sounds like soft prostitution. As for buying meals... if you are dating a traditional girl, she may appreciate that? If you can find a woman who wants the man to pay, and wants to be traditional-- which means she may want to stay home with the children.... and she does 'her part' of the equation, like obey her husband, provide sex when he wants it, cooks, cleans, etc., that can be a pretty good scenario. If a woman is traditionally minded like that, then she may not mind the man paying.

Now there are online dating coaches and pundits and 'content creators' who may shame men for paying for dates, etc. Why watch their content? And why tell other people your business so they can shame you?

There are countries you can go to where you can buy a girl dinner and she won't get upset. If a girl is so radically feminist that she is upset if you pay or open a door, or complains about 'the patriarchy'--- unless she is doing so to mock feminism, you don't have to ask her out on another date.

[ArchibaultNew]

Hey guys,

This is one of the things that I have notice about American culture. Unlike other cultures it seems men using their financial resources is deemed as "alright" or acceptable.

Meanwhile, in American culture if you use any form of money is considered, "cheating" or you are a "loser" who can only get women through money. I have always found this very interested. Since women are shamed also if they want to "date up" and are called "gold diggers." To me there's an element that's very "judgmental" in American culture. Its possible that some of this is also

Some examples:
-If you pay for a woman's ride, you are a loser.
-If you pay for a woman's drinks, you are being used for money.
-If you do any sugar dating you are also considered a loser...etc.

It's very interesting and I would like to hear your thoughts.

Sugar dating.... loser? I get that. That sounds like soft prostitution. As for buying meals... if you are dating a traditional girl, she may appreciate that? If you can find a woman who wants the man to pay, and wants to be traditional-- which means she may want to stay home with the children.... and she does 'her part' of the equation, like obey her husband, provide sex when he wants it, cooks, cleans, etc., that can be a pretty good scenario. If a woman is traditionally minded like that, then she may not mind the man paying.

Now there are online dating coaches and pundits and 'content creators' who may shame men for paying for dates, etc. Why watch their content? And why tell other people your business so they can shame you?

There are countries you can go to where you can buy a girl dinner and she won't get upset. If a girl is so radically feminist that she is upset if you pay or open a door, or complains about 'the patriarchy'--- unless she is doing so to mock feminism, you don't have to ask her out on another date.

Honestly, American Culture(and the Anglospheree) is an Outliner in the world when it comes to dating and money. Both conservative groups and liberal groups agree that men using money to get dates is for "losers" or "cheating." For instance, a conservative influences would say, "Men should get it for free." While a liberal influences might say, "I don't need a man to buy me anything." Or if you buy her flower she might say, "He is trying to buy me with gifts." Honestly, i like some aspects of American culture but all these rules around dating and money is one that I dislike. I assume it comes from some Prudish atitudes in both American and to an extend British culture. I read a article on British dating from back in the day and they had elaborate courtship rules.

[kangarunner]

I assume it comes from some Prudish atitudes in both American and to an extend British culture. I read a article on British dating from back in the day and they had elaborate courtship rules.

You have to think yourself, where did this prudish rule system and formality come from? I remember being in middle school and there was the formal dance called cotillion. It was where the young boys and the young girls would dress up nice and go to a formal dance together. I remember it vaguely. It was awful. I wish I could forget it. None of the girls wanted to dance with me. They were all very judgmental and picky.

I think white women encourage these rules and formal behavior so that they can subversively control men. It's like that movie I watched with my girlfriend. A woman said, "The man is the head of the family. But the woman is the neck that turns the head".

White women know that men are cucked. I think white women secretly resent men.

Yes, in America we're taught in school that we're the "land of the free" and the greatest country in the world. There's so many rules and fear of consequences that hover over men while women have barely any social rules and have zero fear of consequences because no one suspects a woman of wrongdoing.

Women are in control in America. You will notice that women love the word "report". I will report him.

Men have a conditional existence in the U.S. Your life as a man is only tolerated, never respected.

It's so refreshing to be in SEA. The women view men as their friends. All you have to do is drop everything you've ever known about dealing with women in America. Because none of that applies here. Women want to be with you genuinely here. They don't care how much money you have as long as you are being a proper man and show them love.