Unrealistic Expectations????

[jamesbond]

You have hideous looking women like the women below, who think they deserve a rich, handsome husband:



When in reality, only women who look hot like the women below, will be the ones who get rich, handsome husbands:

[djfourmoney]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

Could you smart gentlemen help me come up with a good answer to it? Thanks.

Because its been proven over and over again that Money does not buy happiness and when its obvious you're doing this, you are judged harshly. The Women's Movement and the Black Civil Rights Movement have some parallels. Black People believe (and rightly so) are judged as a whole on what individuals do basically, if its bad (crime) but also if its good (we all can dance). The Women's Movement has adopted a similar look at things. So when attractive but usually fairly unintelligent women marry rich men obviously looking for a trophy wive, its viewed as negative to the whole movement in terms of respect. This is why they attack things like Porn and Prostitution and key people like Eve Ensler constantly attack the media, cosmetics and fashion industries. Her main beef is those industries constantly showing Women that Blond, Tall and White is attractive when a majority of the world is short and brown is the standard of beauty.

In that sense she's right, but constantly harping on Barbie Dolls is a bit crazy IMHO.

[djfourmoney]

DJ, I have to agree with boycottamericanwomen. You should give up on American women. Also, as you suggested in another thread, I will try hip-hop clubs and possibly do specific trips to eastern Europe and see if possibly some women are okay dating black guys.

American women have too many requirements. I remember trying to be interesting, trying to talk about their interests they gave me no time of day.

I just got too tired of trying to please women when I saw that marriage too them was too damaging.

I'm closer than ever on giving up, I was just making an observation actually. As I said I believe the issues for Black Men dating American Non-Black Women are slightly different.

Obviously if you're a White Woman, you are not hooking up with Black Men for an economic advantage when multiple studies have shown that Black Men make less money than White Men doing the same job, not always but much of the time yes. But I think that post that had the story of why he believes there's been an increase in Black Men/White Woman couples since 1970, almost doubling every 10 years the census is taken its a sign of two main things -

a) A less overall racist society, see Obama

b) Constant Visuals of Black Men being very Masculine; Gangs, Hard Core Gangster Rap, NBA Players Dunking on others, Darren McFadden running over a DB to get into the end zone (did that twice last year), Usane Bolt, etc, etc. Look at all the very good looking White Women that date Black UK football players....

Because of this, some women will accept you if you have a job, any job really. Its just in special situations like Los Angeles and New York where there are plenty of Black Men (some of the largest population of Black Men in the country are in New York City and Los Angeles) White Women can afford to be more selective, picky if you want to call it that. In places where there's a scarcity of Black Men, demand goes up, requirements go down. As long as your breathing, some women will date you.

Now having said that, it does expose you to a bunch of Single Mothers and BBW's. But you can find very attractive women here. Its a complete MYTH that Black Men can't date attractive White Women. My problem is, I'm a student and unemployed and while she might tolerate that if I lived alone, the triple whammy is living at home...

That exposes me to the absolute bottom of the barrel women in America. So to review For Black Men looking at White Women basic requirements.

1) No criminal record, though that does seem to work with certain women usually younger ones.

2) No children or baby momma drama, but then again you can get by with this IF you are good looking

Now this won't get you top shelf women obviously, but if you compromise a little bit, its not so bad. This is the same experience in Europe. If you can make it over to Europe you've accomplished what very few Black Men have done to this point and that's travel to meet the woman you've been talking to online. Go to the Passport thread, I and a few others on here are apart of the small percentage of Black American Men that have a Passport and have used it...

I will cover this in another thread, but I am going to try and make a fairly attractive woman, that's most of what I am looking for accept my current status. Things will change, I have added a skill that's useful in an economy world wide that's expanding use of computers and other electronics. I am going to add two more to the list of qualifications but I am going to make them accept that I have a future and if she wants to be apart of that, together then we'll have something.

I don't think I can find a really attractive (8) or fairly attractive (7) accept it in America or Canada. I'll have to accept things like she has children and I don't want that.

Means going to Europe... That's my plan.

[E_Irizarry]

@DJ IV Money,

"To the East(-ern Europe), my brother to duhhhhhh Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast(-ern Europe)!"

- XClan (1990)

[boycottamericanwomen]

I dont get it from these ameriskanks. They have extremely unrealistic standards

All of us would want to have a hot young supermodel for a wife, but we as men know that's almost completely unrealistic more like a fantasy. Does that mean that we shouldn't date other women if she's not a supermodel.... heck no because us men are logical. That's the problem with AW they have a hard time differentiating fantasy with reality. The 80-20 rule is taken way too seriously with these women making this a polygamous culture for the very few powerful men in the US. It's either i have the rich baseball player, brad pitt, the doctor or i'm staying single because i'm too good for most men when they're not.

So let them stay single and miserable, living alone with their 10 cats. That's a good thing if you ask me, because it means that less American men will have to suffer by being married to them.

But yes, the arrogance of American women is absolutely incredible. Rather than lower their unrealistic standards and come back down to reality, they would rather just remain single than settle for a man who is realistic.

Single women, once they hit past the 35 year point, become very miserable, as they realize that no men wants them anymore, even for casual sex, as they have usually lost their youthful beauty by that time. So, these idiot women who would rather remain single than lower than standards are the real losers, because they wind up alone forever and usually never get married.

Whereas the men on the other hand, can easily get married later in life, or can go to Thailand or Asia and get themselves a nice young asian bride.

So, the women are the real losers.

[lavezzi]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

Could you smart gentlemen help me come up with a good answer to it? Thanks.

I was having kind of an off day yesterday so I couldn't think properly. It's another one of these double standards (how it's socially acceptable for men to be sluts but not women etc.) which you know instinctively exist for a reason. But to find an explainable answer takes analogical thought.

Women tend to view the modern world as being natural, when in fact it is anything but. A woman wanting to date a man who can provide for her is natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure survival for her and her offspring. However, the natural attraction is not to the things he provides but to the qualities that make him able to provide them. With the advancement of technology, such biological strengths are no longer necessary and therefore not displayed. This causes confusion in women about what they want in a partner. PUA seems to be about mastering females messed up concept of what to look for in a man. A man wanting to date a hot woman is also natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure healthy offspring. But there are no environmental factors to change this. A woman being attracted to a successful man today is less biological and more learned desire for material objects, in my view.

[boycottamericanwomen]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

Could you smart gentlemen help me come up with a good answer to it? Thanks.

I was having kind of an off day yesterday so I couldn't think properly. It's another one of these double standards (how it's socially acceptable for men to be sluts but not women etc.) which you know instinctively exist for a reason. But to find an explainable answer takes analogical thought.

Women tend to view the modern world as being natural, when in fact it is anything but. A woman wanting to date a man who can provide for her is natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure survival for her and her offspring. However, the natural attraction is not to the things he provides but to the qualities that make him able to provide them. With the advancement of technology, such biological strengths are no longer necessary and therefore not displayed. This causes confusion in women about what they want in a partner. PUA seems to be about mastering females messed up concept of what to look for in a man. A man wanting to date a hot woman is also natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure healthy offspring. But there are no environmental factors to change this. A woman being attracted to a successful man today is less biological and more learned desire for material objects, in my view.

As I said, point out her hypocrisy. It's okay for poor women to date rich men, but it's not okay for poor men to date rich women? I can promise you, a rich woman would never consider dating a man who is under her wealth level, or education level.

So, if these women truly believe in equality, then why do they hold a double standard?

It's a very rational point you are making, who cares if it is politically correct or not.

[JhonPaul]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

Could you smart gentlemen help me come up with a good answer to it? Thanks.

A great point quoted, surely man are in need for woman whether its for dating or hanging out....

[djfourmoney]

@DJ IV Money,

"To the East(-ern Europe), my brother to duhhhhhh Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast(-ern Europe)!"

- XClan (1990)

Love X-Clan I actually know Brother J... He lives in LA these days. I met him when I was working in a underground garage. His wife worked for KB Homes who own the building. Anyway, we would talk about all sorts of shit and when he returned to the booth to make some new albums, I got advanced copies.

I have everything but Isis, just some 12" singles and YZ as well. Xodus was great and two the East Blackward is Classic.

[E_Irizarry]

@DJ IV Money,

"To the East(-ern Europe), my brother to duhhhhhh Eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast(-ern Europe)!"

- XClan (1990)

Love X-Clan I actually know Brother J... He lives in LA these days. I met him when I was working in a underground garage. His wife worked for KB Homes who own the building. Anyway, we would talk about all sorts of shit and when he returned to the booth to make some new albums, I got advanced copies.

I have everything but Isis, just some 12" singles and YZ as well. Xodus was great and two the East Blackward is Classic.

Too bad Professor X is dead though. I think he just died 1-2 years ago right?

[NorthAmericanguy]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

I see the point she's trying to make, but there is a BIG difference. The difference is, men who are wealthy have WORKED HARD FOR YEARS/DECADES (in some cases putting their lives as risk) in order to become wealthy. Furthermore, and generally speaking, a mans wealth is in direct proportion to how much he has contributed to society. You figure, a man with a mid rage business has positively impacted thousands, if not million of peoples lives.

Conversely, a beautiful woman was born that way, and because of that, she now expects that she should be paid an exorbitant amount for her beauty. Sure, I can see why a woman would want to sell herself for top dollar if she can get away with it (who wouldn't?), but at the same time, it's the arrogant, entitled, snobbish, filthy, vile, rotten, sickening attitude that comes along with many of these very beautiful girls because they fully believe in their hearts that they deserve a rich man or nothing else. To make matters worse, regular men ("average Joe" is what they call men who don't have money) are invisible to them unless they need to use them as a pawn for a quick laugh, or some type of emergency assistance.



** Personal rant**

You god*** bi*** that want to get paid need to learn how to WORK FOR IT! Prostitution in the US can earn you 200k a year. Become a porn star like Jenna Jameson and make millions, become a pro athlete and make a few million, start a business, or use your BRAIN and create something of VALUE!

I will never forget, I was watching a documentary on a Chinese women and this well to do Chinese business woman said she's disappointed by how many Chinese women resort to looking for sugar daddies. She said it's a relatively new concept that she has seen pop up now that her country is more industrialized. She said back in the day (pre 1950) a woman looked for a good man and that was about it.

[NorthAmericanguy]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

Could you smart gentlemen help me come up with a good answer to it? Thanks.

I was having kind of an off day yesterday so I couldn't think properly. It's another one of these double standards (how it's socially acceptable for men to be sluts but not women etc.) which you know instinctively exist for a reason. But to find an explainable answer takes analogical thought.

Women tend to view the modern world as being natural, when in fact it is anything but. A woman wanting to date a man who can provide for her is natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure survival for her and her offspring. However, the natural attraction is not to the things he provides but to the qualities that make him able to provide them. With the advancement of technology, such biological strengths are no longer necessary and therefore not displayed. This causes confusion in women about what they want in a partner. PUA seems to be about mastering females messed up concept of what to look for in a man. A man wanting to date a hot woman is also natural and serves as a biological mechanism to ensure healthy offspring. But there are no environmental factors to change this. A woman being attracted to a successful man today is less biological and more learned desire for material objects, in my view.

+1

[boycottamericanwomen]

I just saw a topic on a feminist forum:

"Why are women who want to date wealthy men viewed so harshly? I don't think it's shallow, as I see it, it's no different than a man wanting to date a hot woman. So why the difference?"

I see the point she's trying to make, but there is a BIG difference. The difference is, men who are wealthy have WORKED HARD FOR YEARS/DECADES (in some cases putting their lives as risk) in order to become wealthy. Furthermore, and generally speaking, a mans wealth is in direct proportion to how much he has contributed to society. You figure, a man with a mid rage business has positively impacted thousands, if not million of peoples lives.

Conversely, a beautiful woman was born that way, and because of that, she now expects that she should be paid an exorbitant amount for her beauty. Sure, I can see why a woman would want to sell herself for top dollar if she can get away with it (who wouldn't?), but at the same time, it's the arrogant, entitled, snobbish, filthy, vile, rotten, sickening attitude that comes along with many of these very beautiful girls because they fully believe in their hearts that they deserve a rich man or nothing else. To make matters worse, regular men ("average Joe" is what they call men who don't have money) are invisible to them unless they need to use them as a pawn for a quick laugh, or some type of emergency assistance.



** Personal rant**

You god*** bi*** that want to get paid need to learn how to WORK FOR IT! Prostitution in the US can earn you 200k a year. Become a porn star like Jenna Jameson and make millions, become a pro athlete and make a few million, start a business, or use your BRAIN and create something of VALUE!

I will never forget, I was watching a documentary on a Chinese women and this well to do Chinese business woman said she's disappointed by how many Chinese women resort to looking for sugar daddies. She said it's a relatively new concept that she has seen pop up now that her country is more industrialized. She said back in the day (pre 1950) a woman looked for a good man and that was about it.

These women who have this attitude that they deserve a rich man usually end up single and alone. They try to sell themselves so high, that no one wants them, and in the end, they end up as very lonely and bitter people, living alone with their 10 cats.

So, in the end, we men get the last laugh, because the value of men usually increases as they age. And now since it is a massively increasing trend for western men to marry foreign women, the single and lonely western women are EXTREMELY BITTER! They are very angry that western men can get a beautiful young foreign wife so easily, whereas the western women have no option, no one wants them. It simply drives them crazy, they are so jealous of successful men.

If you really want to piss off an American woman, marry an asian girl. You will be surprised by the number of dirty looks you get from American women when you are in public with your asian wife.

[NorthAmericanguy]

Because its been proven over and over again that Money does not buy happiness

True, which is why when many of these girls do marry into money they often become bored after a few years and resort to popping out kid after kid, cheating, drugs, alcohol, or prescription pills.

This is real reason why I will never marry: WOMEN CAN NEVER BE GENUINELY HAPPY AND CONTENT WITH THEIR LOT IN LIFE. Women are always looking for the next best thing, or the next person who can whisk them away to a different life. For example, this is the heart of the travel business and why they make so much money, they appeal mostly to women because they are gullible enough to fall for stupid "get away" fantasies.

[NorthAmericanguy]

These women who have this attitude that they deserve a rich man usually end up single and alone. They try to sell themselves so high, that no one wants them, and in the end, they end up as very lonely and bitter people, living alone with their 10 cats.

Exactly! It's like taking a 1999 Honda Accord and trying to sell it for 250k and getting mad about it because nobody will pay the price for it. And like you said, as time goes on it only gets worse for women, because, just like the car analogy, they are only getting older (ie, more millage).

Women need to realize that if they are going to get rich by finding a man in the US, it's going to be around the high school or collage years, after that, the good men are taken or at best you're just going to be a rich mans mistress on the side.