Suicide rates in the US (Spoiler: Whites have highest rate)

[Repatriate]

I don't think I even need to say that suicide rates for males seems to be higher than females in the U.S.

I was reading something about U.S. mental health stats and came across this :

http://www.healthyplace.com/depression/ ... inorities/


US Suicide Rates Per 100,000 (1997)

American Indian or Alaska Native - 11.4
Asian or Pacific Islander - 7.0
Black or African American - 6.3
Hispanic - 6.4
White - 12.3


I found this to be interesting. Whites and natives have nearly twice the suicide rate as other minority groups. For natives I can see obvious reasons as to why they would off themselves but for your average white person who has it pretty good compared to most minorities i'm not entirely sure of the psychological reasoning behind it. I know a lot of white American women are bipolar it seems much more prevalent in the U.S. than anywhere else. It makes me go back to pop psychology and Maslow's hierarchy of needs I suppose once you satisfy all your physical needs at the very top the emotional needs just aren't being met in white America. This is a very loose assumption but i'm guessing that for minorities it's such a shit show most of the time that it builds up a hardened personality so we may just not be emotionally vulnerable about certain day to day things.

Thoughts?

[zboy1]

I've posted this study before on this forum: viewtopic.php?t=18649&start=0 (Suicide Rate Spikes Among Middle-Aged White Americans)

My theory on this phenomenon is that White Americans do not have the racial solidarity that other races have, in other words, a feeling of unity and racial togetherness that exists in the Asian, Black, and Hispanic communities. Also, Anglo-Saxon/Western culture is very individualistic and competitive, so greed and selfishness is often praised and encouraged: i.e. Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged; that doesn't leave much sympathy and respect for the downtrodden and/or the down-on-the-luck person, especially in this bad economy.

And since White Americans usually do not face many hardships in comparison to other races...when things go bad, they're the most unlikely to recover or overcome their obstacles, and unable to cope as well as someone whose a minority--who has been disenfranchised and used to things not going their way all their life...

And I know Ladislav will chime in later and say this only occurs in White/Anglo Saxon countries; Western Europe, Scandinavia and the other welfare states, do not have this kind of competitive cutthroat attitudes present in their societies. And I agree.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

White men are the primary drinkers of the "kool-aid," so it is quite logical for them to feel the most ruined.

White men are the only men I meet that simply can't live without a wife, or the American dream nonsense. One colleague of mine has a wife who has been gone on military reserve duty for a month. He has been bumming around telling me, "I really miss my wife."

These don't represent all white men of course, but white men actively participate in their own demise more than other men. I'd want to kill myself too if I realized that too late.

[AmericanInMexico]

I don't think I even need to say that suicide rates for males seems to be higher than females in the U.S.

I was reading something about U.S. mental health stats and came across this :

http://www.healthyplace.com/depression/ ... inorities/


US Suicide Rates Per 100,000 (1997)

American Indian or Alaska Native - 11.4
Asian or Pacific Islander - 7.0
Black or African American - 6.3
Hispanic - 6.4
White - 12.3


I found this to be interesting. Whites and natives have nearly twice the suicide rate as other minority groups. For natives I can see obvious reasons as to why they would off themselves but for your average white person who has it pretty good compared to most minorities i'm not entirely sure of the psychological reasoning behind it. I know a lot of white American women are bipolar it seems much more prevalent in the U.S. than anywhere else. It makes me go back to pop psychology and Maslow's hierarchy of needs I suppose once you satisfy all your physical needs at the very top the emotional needs just aren't being met in white America. This is a very loose assumption but i'm guessing that for minorities it's such a shit show most of the time that it builds up a hardened personality so we may just not be emotionally vulnerable about certain day to day things.

Thoughts?

I as a white man am perfectly qualified to respond to this data. The usual anti-white posters like djfourmoney are not, so please listen to me instead of them.

The main reason why suicide rates are so high amongst whites is simple: the average straight white man belongs to nothing. All racial groups except whites have their own little minority hate clubs where they can complain about how bad life is because of their race. Yes, whites have Stormfront but openly admitting membership in that group is social suicide whereas other races can openly admit membership in some sort of racial club and still be accepted by society. Women have lots of their own little places where they can hang out with other women and complain about how bad men are and isolate themselves from the evil XY-chromosome holders. Gay men have probably the closest thing to a true brotherhood in the United States, something which S Parc has pointed out before.

So where does that leave the average straight white male? Nowhere. Ignore the idiots who think we all are "well-off". I certainly am not. When in the United States I hold a barely minimum wage job and am constantly under attack from non-whites for having so called "privilege" when the only privilege I have is the privilege to make money and have no social life whatsoever. Being a 5'9 male I am ignored by women for the most part since American women want super-tall genetic freaks. The other races don't understand that as a Polish-American, my family never was part of the Anglo-Irish-Jewish hierarchy that dominates this country even to this day. My Polish grandmother was forced to drop out of school at age 12 and become a full-time earner for her family after her father died young from inhaling a whole bunch of toxic things working in the Pennsylvania coal mines. And the gays will tell me I'm privileged because as a straight man, I can marry whoever I want, but even that is changing as gays gain the right to marry in state after state.

So what we have is that there a few privileged straight white males in this country and the other groups (racial groups, women, and gays) see that and think we have it so easy when we don't. Then we get people like djfourmoney who won't shut their mouths about white people when in reality the majority of us are not only working minimum wage jobs but have no group to identify with and end up alone.

I'm lucky, I was headed down the same path until I found Mexico. If the average black person tried going into Mexico and garnering sympathy, the people would just laugh. Same story for women and gays. People in Mexico by and large don't want to hear about how bad your life is because as a black male, you supposedly are still being oppressed by evil whitey. They don't want to hear from women that your life is so bad because you wore a miniskirt and some guy who you found undesirable asked you out and that it was "creepy". And in the case of gays, they don't want to hear that your life is so bad that because of an abnormality in your biology that makes you pursue someone of the same gender. They quite simply don't want to hear it.

This is why the suicide rate is so high for straight white males in the United States. But now, I will give you all a real shocker: I believe the only people to blame for this are the very straight white men themselves. They give into demands of other groups and then just go home and complain about it. Whenever someone asks why white pride groups are unacceptable, it's because WHITE people decided it was unacceptable. Yes, the blacks call them "racist" but the census data still shows that whites outnumber blacks by a great deal, so if every white person told the black people to shut up, they would be forced to. But whites don't do that. They don't stand up to the blacks and tell them to shut up and that black pride organizations are racist. They simply tacitly let the blacks have their own organizations and then complain when the blacks tell them they can't have their organizations.

For the record, I am in no white pride organizations, since I think they are all a bunch of idiots who blame Jews for everything instead of blaming the very white people who lack a backbone. They also harp on and on about finding a good woman to marry and that prostitution and pornography are "Jewish" when Jews didn't invent either sex or the naked body. White pride organizations are simply an extension of the Anglo-American puritanism which is obsessed with giving men no sexual release whatsoever except at the whims of a "strong" (read nagging) white wife, something which in the United States very few men get to even have since women isolate themselves from being met by men unless they are genetically perfect (and sometimes even that isn't enough).

My post above is probably only 50% of the truth. I am still struggling to put into words what exactly is wrong with the United States. All I know is that the sooner people like djfourmoney, LoneYakuza and the like shut up and stop trying to get sympathy, the sooner life will be better.

[zboy1]

Interesting post, AmericanInMexico. Interestingly enough, the second highest race to commit suicide (just a tad below White males) are Native Americans. And, I think, we can all agree that something is indeed, very wrong with the United States or else, we wouldn't be on this forum, LOL.

[Repatriate]

The main reason why suicide rates are so high amongst whites is simple: the average straight white man belongs to nothing. All racial groups except whites have their own little minority hate clubs where they can complain about how bad life is because of their race. Yes, whites have Stormfront but openly admitting membership in that group is social suicide whereas other races can openly admit membership in some sort of racial club and still be accepted by society.

Interesting and detailed post even if I don't really agree with what you said. I think there are a lot more white cliques and scenes for your average white person to find their niche in American society than a minority. The asian-american community is fractitious and also split along a gender line. I don't get much if any support for being asian-american. I think african-americans have a bit more solidarity but even then that solidarity is a superficial one because black on black violence and crime is sky high. Hispanics/Latinos are also a bit fractured because Mexicans aren't going to team up with Puerto-Ricans, Colombians, El Salvadoreans, Guatamalans. In CA the latinos you see getting really politically active are usually all Mexican-Americans who push all other ethnic groups out of the picture including other Latinos.

What I meant by there being more white cliques is that let's say you become a lawyer, investment banker, politician, or IT guy. You have a built in network of people that will consider you at least normal and promotable. Minorities are on the outside looking in until you prove yourself through some tremendous social gamesmanship ie. Obama or you excel above your average white person.

[navigator]

Here is a more recent study by the CDC, which breaks down the suicide rate by both race and gender:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/s ... tes02.html

Suicide Rates Among Persons Ages 10 Years and Older, by Race/Ethnicity and Sex, United States, 2005–2009

"During 2005–2009, the highest suicide rates were among American Indian/Alaskan Native males with 27.61 suicides per 100,000 and Non-Hispanic White males with 25.96 suicides per 100,000. Of all female race/ethnicity groups, the American Indian/Alaskan Natives and Non-Hispanic Whites had the highest rates with 7.87 and 6.71 suicides per 100,000, respectively. The Asian/Pacific Islanders had the lowest suicide rates among males while the Non-Hispanic Blacks had the lowest suicide rate among females."

[Traveler]

David Lester, one of the world's leading experts on suicide, explains:

“ 'If you’re unhappy and you have something to blame your unhappiness on—if it’s the government, or the economy, or something—then that kind of immunizes you against committing suicide,' he says. 'It’s when you have no external cause to blame for your unhappiness that suicide becomes more likely. I’ve used this idea to explain why African-Americans have lower suicide rates, why blind people whose sight is restored often become suicidal, and why adolescent suicide rates often rise as their quality of life gets better.' "
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... itt?page=4

"If you’re white and in psychological pain, what can you blame it on? Other people are doing well, why aren’t you doing well? Other people are happy why aren’t you happy? So maybe that in part accounts for the higher suicide rate in whites as compared to African-Americans is because whites have fewer external causes to blame their misery for."

"Actually, I’ve done studies on the quality of life in nations, and the quality of life in the different states in America. And regions with a higher quality of life have a higher suicide rate. Now, quality of life is more than wealth. The people who try and rate the quality of life use a variety of indices, health, education, culture, geography, all kinds of things. So they put more into it than just, you know, median family income, or individual per capita income. And what I’ve argued therefore is it seems to be an inevitable consequence of improving the quality of life. If your quality of life if poor, and it may be you’re unemployed, you’re an oppressed minority, whatever it might be, there’s a civil war going on, you know why you’re miserable. You know as the quality of life in a nation gets better and you are still depressed — well, why? Everybody else is enjoying themselves, getting good jobs, getting promotions, you know, buying fancy cars. Why are you still miserable? So, there’s no external cause to blame your misery upon, which means it’s more likely that you see it as some defect or stable trait in yourself. And therefore you’re going to be depressed and unhappy for the rest of your life."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =1&vwsrc=0

Africans Americans are very good at externalizing blame which helps protect them against suicide. White people are much more likely to view what happens in their life as their own fault. So they are more likely to become depressed when things are not going so well.

[Traveler]

David Lester, one of the world's leading experts on suicide, explains:

“ 'If you’re unhappy and you have something to blame your unhappiness on—if it’s the government, or the economy, or something—then that kind of immunizes you against committing suicide,' he says. 'It’s when you have no external cause to blame for your unhappiness that suicide becomes more likely. I’ve used this idea to explain why African-Americans have lower suicide rates, why blind people whose sight is restored often become suicidal, and why adolescent suicide rates often rise as their quality of life gets better.' "
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ ... itt?page=4

"If you’re white and in psychological pain, what can you blame it on? Other people are doing well, why aren’t you doing well? Other people are happy why aren’t you happy? So maybe that in part accounts for the higher suicide rate in whites as compared to African-Americans is because whites have fewer external causes to blame their misery for."

"Actually, I’ve done studies on the quality of life in nations, and the quality of life in the different states in America. And regions with a higher quality of life have a higher suicide rate. Now, quality of life is more than wealth. The people who try and rate the quality of life use a variety of indices, health, education, culture, geography, all kinds of things. So they put more into it than just, you know, median family income, or individual per capita income. And what I’ve argued therefore is it seems to be an inevitable consequence of improving the quality of life. If your quality of life if poor, and it may be you’re unemployed, you’re an oppressed minority, whatever it might be, there’s a civil war going on, you know why you’re miserable. You know as the quality of life in a nation gets better and you are still depressed — well, why? Everybody else is enjoying themselves, getting good jobs, getting promotions, you know, buying fancy cars. Why are you still miserable? So, there’s no external cause to blame your misery upon, which means it’s more likely that you see it as some defect or stable trait in yourself. And therefore you’re going to be depressed and unhappy for the rest of your life."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =1&vwsrc=0

Africans Americans are very good at externalizing blame which helps protect them against suicide. White people are much more likely to view what happens in their life as their own fault. So they are more likely to become depressed when things are not going so well.

[Winston]

Suicide rates have now increased among women in the US, significantly since 1999, a CNN report says.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/22/heal ... index.html