Do PUAs even exist?

[Nailer]

You know all those guys who brag online about rolling into Vegas and "smashing" a new "notch" over the weekend, on certain forums? I am seriously wondering whether these are just fiction-writing forums for fantasy writers. Consider this:
http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/03/a- ... ornia.html

My President is Black and so is my one button Gucci bespoke suit with peaked lapels and Cookie Monster blue interior. My shirt and Brioni pocket square are Baby Blue as if my name was Gerber, and I am not talking about Rande either.

I then wave to the DJ (who I have carefully cultivated a “functional” acquaintance with over the last few months) who gives me a “finger point” and a smile back. Instead of “Defeating this DJ”, I have “locked down” this DJ simply for him to give me high-fives and finger points so I don’t seem “weird” to girls when I roll in the sushi joint Dolo to pick up girls.

The Girls tell me they come here for “the california rolls”. Another one of the girls tells me that she loves “the rice”.
I roll my eyes, but I have been through this literally a million times before so I keep calm and don’t start ridiculing the girls or stab myself in the eye with a chopstick.

The Girls tell me The Hard Rock in Las Vegas is their favorite place to travel. I tell them The Hard Rock is wack. They ask me where I would love to vacation next and I say “Seychelles or Mauritius” and they look at me like I am speaking a foreign language.

This guy claims he dresses in a suit, goes into a bar alone, sits down with some girls and insults everything they say, and they have sex with him because the DJ pointed at him.

Here is "Mystery" in action. It's painful to watch:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ[/youtube]

It seems to me PUA is just another fantasy to keep men from leaving the plantation. It's pure denialism. "There are ten times more men than women in this bar, but I am so ALPHA!!! Grrrrrrrr!!!"

[jamesbond]

You know all those guys who brag online about rolling into Vegas and "smashing" a new "notch" over the weekend, on certain forums? I am seriously wondering whether these are just fiction-writing forums for fantasy writers.

Here is "Mystery" in action. It's painful to watch:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ[/youtube]

It seems to me PUA is just another fantasy to keep men from leaving the plantation. It's pure denialism. "There are ten times more men than women in this bar, but I am so ALPHA!!! Grrrrrrrr!!!"

I have often wondered for years whether or not these PUA guys are actually getting women or just bull shitting. Now I seriously think the over whelming majority of them are liars and full of shit.

I have read articles online exposing the fraud that these guys are. They need to lie in order to charge thousands of dollars for their seminars. They also sell books and DVD's. Of course these guys are con artists.

I love the PUA's who say they can get any woman they want and the ones who say they have slept with thousands of hot women. It's complete bull shit.

[chanta76]

I study pua. It works to some extent but you have to have your life and yourself together. No amount of PUA will help you if your a mess. The best analogy I can make is job application. Let say you went to apply for a job and got the interview. There are do's and don't when you go onto the interview to best increase your chance of success. It's the same with approaching girls. There is no guarantee but there is social correct way to talk to a girl. I don't think pua is completely useless but it's no holy grail.

[Nailer]

I study pua. It works to some extent but you have to have your life and yourself together. No amount of PUA will help you if your a mess. The best analogy I can make is job application. Let say you went to apply for a job and got the interview. There are do's and don't when you go onto the interview to best increase your chance of success. It's the same with approaching girls. There is no guarantee but there is social correct way to talk to a girl. I don't think pua is completely useless but it's no holy grail.

Right, I am saying the extent of its usefulness is "don't do anything stupid". Don't reveal too much about yourself, ask her a lot of questions and let her do most of the talking, don't act weak or try to act tough, don't get analytical or weird or say anything too out there, especially with someone you just met. The idea that you're going to be some completely different kind of guy she has never seen, and she will chase after you because you are so bold is terrible advice.

Maybe I'm not a good source of advice, but the times things have gone well for me she made it clear she was giving me a lot of attention, and it was up to me not to f**k it up. All you can do is fish by opening a normal conversation and look for bites. If she's not into you immediately, there isn't any special trick you can use to control another person's mind.

There's also this HUGE focus on "just do what you want" and "don't give a f**k". I do that every day. That does not magically make women flock to you, when you just demonstrate how "Alpha" you are. That's ridiculous. It seems like it's written by guys who spend a lot of time appeasing others. I can't even imagine the mindset in the first place. I know it's a fictional character, but Edward Norton's character in Fight Club was one of the most "no f***s" guys in screen history. It was fun to watch him, and I admire the sentiment, but it's not a solution to a problem. All that's going to do is make you socially isolated.

Even better is the "you should learn to hunt and fish and mold your own iron tools because it teaches you masculinity" guys. Yeah, leathercrafting is going to fix the problem that there's ten times as many men available as women.

[starchild5]

Winston is the only real PUA deal out there..and shares his skills freely ..He is the master when it comes to dating and picking women..

[nomadphilippines]

its really not rocket science, it all comes down to the amount of approaches and attempts you make

plus putting yourself in target rich environments, whether that is going to a bar where girls are drunk or moving to another country where you are 'exotic'

[flowerthief00]

It is easy and proper to knock down PUA when the concept of pickup as an "art" has been exaggerated. Do enough of something over and over you're eventually going to succeed, but does that make it an art? If you keep rolling a pair of dice you are going to get double 6's. Not often. Not according to anyone's power to predict. But it will happen if you keep picking up those dice and tossing them. Why give the label art to what is better called persistence.

A good portion of my friends and myself at times have been involved with pickup, though none of us has ever referred to ourselves as PUA. We don't wear funny hats, run cheesy routines, drop "negs", or pretend that it is even possible for a guy, no matter how experienced, to succeed with more than a small fraction of the women walking around out there.

It's not PUA. It's just PU. PU has been around before PUA and will be around long after PUA has been discredited, if it hasn't been already.

Furthermore, if there really was an A to PU, you would expect basically anyone who tries their hand at it to get better with practice the same as with painting a nude, playing the ukelele, or any art, but nope. From my experience it just doesn't work that way. No matter how many times you roll them there is still only one 6 on each die. Eventually you stop rolling them as much as you once did.

I don't think it's just that a fellow's charisma and good looks deteriorate over time (although of course they do). It could be that whatever meager element of "art" there is in pickup that could supposedly improve with practice cannot keep up with the female population's ever-decreasing interest in men generally (let alone strangers coming up to them on the streets), which is what I imagine, at least, whenever I hear iconic PUA personalities admit that hooking women has gotten much tougher than it used to be.

[Adama]

To me it seems that life really is like Groundhog Day. That is, we experience the same scenarios over and over until we master them, especially regarding women. Over time, encountering the same situation over and over again, a man can learn how to do things properly, if he is capable of learning. It's an unintended practice which leads to insight.

I also don't believe that any woman can go with any man. I don't think either gender can just pick someone off a shelf. There are certain kinds of people we can have relationships with and others which we can't. Most men don't even know, there are limits, because they can't be seen with their eyes. So just because you think it's right to go with a certain woman, it doesn't mean that it was meant to be. And if she can't be with you, there's no need to stress yourself out over it. Certain people simply can't go with other certain people. In other words, figure out your type, then focus primarily on them, instead of casting a net that contains every possible type (unfocused).

And also, most women are insane and confused. So part of success with women means identifying which women are out of their minds with inflated egos and then eliminating them, for your personal peace of mind. The men who are controlled by their passions do not eliminate these female ego maniacs. For some reason they want to try to tame these wild animals, as if that were possible. And in the end they're surprised when it hurts, because they were trying to tame a wild beast which can't be subdued.

Personally I don't think attraction is a personal choice. It is either there in the soul or it isn't. You can't force it, unless you're just an animal who has already lost your soul. Then you're free to have intercourse or relationships with anyone and everyone you want, but only among those who've also already lost their souls. These people can play musical chairs in relationships, since there is no restraint placed upon them.

[starchild5]

To me it seems that life really is like Groundhog Day. That is, we experience the same scenarios over and over until we master them, especially regarding women. Over time, encountering the same situation over and over again, a man can learn how to do things properly, if he is capable of learning. It's an unintended practice which leads to insight.

You just described AI manipulation.

Yeah...Keep on struggling with your inner demons..The problem is always you...

Same old Jewish scam....YOU NEED TO IMPROVE FOR EVER...but yet never get it because again...You lack certain things to get what you really want.

Keep on Learning....lol

Keep on improving for ever.... ..Its a Tony Robbins level scam..

we experience the same scenarios over and over until we master them

Who is that generous to humanity anyways...Who would give you same scenarios again and again just so that you can master them...

WAKE UP...

[Adama]

To me it seems that life really is like Groundhog Day. That is, we experience the same scenarios over and over until we master them, especially regarding women. Over time, encountering the same situation over and over again, a man can learn how to do things properly, if he is capable of learning. It's an unintended practice which leads to insight.

You just described AI manipulation.

Yeah...Keep on struggling with your inner demons..The problem is always you...

Same old Jewish scam....YOU NEED TO IMPROVE FOR EVER...but yet never get it because again...You lack certain things to get what you really want.

Keep on Learning....lol

Keep on improving for ever.... ..Its a Tony Robbins level scam..

we experience the same scenarios over and over until we master them

Who is that generous to humanity anyways...Who would give you same scenarios again and again just so that you can master them...

WAKE UP...

A benevolent God, who you don't happen to believe in, might give you hundreds of chances, if He loved you.

I wasn't saying this as a matter of self-improvement. I was trying to say that picking up women is learned from the previous scenarios we've encountered. Over time you get to know who is your type, what to say, how to say things, what things you're able to do and what things they're willing to do, etc. You'll get a complete a full set of knowledge when you look back and assemble all the pieces together from each situation so that you can see the whole.

Haven't you ever seen the move Groundhog Day? The same thing happened over and over, and eventually from that he learned what he should be doing and what he shouldn't be doing.

Life with women is exactly like that. With each encounter with women, you learn something about them. That isn't to say that you'll never have enough to start. Only that experiences yield understanding, for those who can accept it.

[Zambales]

PUAs are to women what prostitutes are to men. A service. The only difference is that PUAs don't get paid.

So yeah, they do exist but there are plenty who get knocked back regularly but will contort the figures, so to speak, just to impress other guys.

[starchild5]

A benevolent God, who you don't happen to believe in, might give you hundreds of chances, if He loved you.

I wasn't saying this as a matter of self-improvement. I was trying to say that picking up women is learned from the previous scenarios we've encountered. Over time you get to know who is your type, what to say, how to say things, what things you're able to do and what things they're willing to do, etc. You'll get a complete a full set of knowledge when you look back and assemble all the pieces together from each situation so that you can see the whole.

Haven't you ever seen the move Groundhog Day? The same thing happened over and over, and eventually from that he learned what he should be doing and what he shouldn't be doing.

Life with women is exactly like that. With each encounter with women, you learn something about them. That isn't to say that you'll never have enough to start. Only that experiences yield understanding, for those who can accept it.

Holy sh*t...believe it or not...I knew you will say God & how he will test humanity and make us learn our lessons.

I deliberately left this sentence to see you write God will do it, so all Satan has to do is pretend to be God and manipulate humans.

How are we suppose to differentiate between God and Satan and his Tricks ?...Because, 90% of humanity never finds true love till they die and America has 50% divorce rate like for ever.

The problem also is ...Christians never believe in After life, Past Life or reincarnation...so for people who never find love after so many "lessons" what about them?

Its like Second Coming and Anti-Christ thingy...How do we identify who is who?

I'm pretty sure that, I have already learned my lessons and I'm 40 and it would be a very good time for God to send me the women he has kept for me...NO MORE TRICKS.....THIS IS IT....

Now the problem again is...How do i know, I have learned my lessons...? Only God Knows...

Now, since only God has the women for me and he knows when i will have learned my lessons...Satan has a free reign for now...I will fall for his every trick as they are just "lessons" to learn....So in essence, Satan works for God...He is not that bad after all...or is he? all his manipulation are just lessons because remember, only God knows...NOT YOU OR SATAN.

But then the problem arises again..What if I don't learn my lessons?

So I will die alone?

It all sounds pure Hopium to me...giving chances, learning lessons, understanding women only to find you are past 40 and now can't have kids because of low testosterone levels...

If only God knows everything...Its not looking good for me as far as women are concerned

[Nailer]

Why should I have to jump on one leg in a constant cycle of self-improvement? Why aren't these bitches chasing me, or at least meeting me halfway? f**k this bullshit.

[Adama]

A benevolent God, who you don't happen to believe in, might give you hundreds of chances, if He loved you.

I wasn't saying this as a matter of self-improvement. I was trying to say that picking up women is learned from the previous scenarios we've encountered. Over time you get to know who is your type, what to say, how to say things, what things you're able to do and what things they're willing to do, etc. You'll get a complete a full set of knowledge when you look back and assemble all the pieces together from each situation so that you can see the whole.

Haven't you ever seen the move Groundhog Day? The same thing happened over and over, and eventually from that he learned what he should be doing and what he shouldn't be doing.

Life with women is exactly like that. With each encounter with women, you learn something about them. That isn't to say that you'll never have enough to start. Only that experiences yield understanding, for those who can accept it.

Holy sh*t...believe it or not...I knew you will say God & how he will test humanity and make us learn our lessons.

I deliberately left this sentence to see you write God will do it, so all Satan has to do is pretend to be God and manipulate humans.

How are we suppose to differentiate between God and Satan and his Tricks ?...Because, 90% of humanity never finds true love till they die and America has 50% divorce rate like for ever.

The problem also is ...Christians never believe in After life, Past Life or reincarnation...so for people who never find love after so many "lessons" what about them?

Its like Second Coming and Anti-Christ thingy...How do we identify who is who?

I'm pretty sure that, I have already learned my lessons and I'm 40 and it would be a very good time for God to send me the women he has kept for me...NO MORE TRICKS.....THIS IS IT....

Now the problem again is...How do i know, I have learned my lessons...? Only God Knows...

Now, since only God has the women for me and he knows when i will have learned my lessons...Satan has a free reign for now...I will fall for his every trick as they are just "lessons" to learn....So in essence, Satan works for God...He is not that bad after all...or is he? all his manipulation are just lessons because remember, only God knows...NOT YOU OR SATAN.

But then the problem arises again..What if I don't learn my lessons?

So I will die alone?

It all sounds pure Hopium to me...giving chances, learning lessons, understanding women only to find you are past 40 and now can't have kids because of low testosterone levels...

If only God knows everything...Its not looking good for me as far as women are concerned

It's even a sin to blame Satan for things he hasn't even done. It is called a railing accusation against an angel. Also, never ascribe bad motives to God. Don't imply anything bad about Him because He is holy, and to lie on Him is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

Don't blame Satan for you failing. If you failed it was your doing. And yes, you have fallen for Satan's tricks of false religion. Such as this AI nonsense you hold in reverence.

As for age 40, if I remember correctly, Moses didn't even get started until he was age 40.

As for lessons, well you are in unbelief. Faith is required and then the evidence is shown. As long as you disbelieve the truth, it is hidden from you. Believe the truth and everything is revealed. The problem is you've already rejected the truth. It's literally right in front of your eyes.

[Adama]

Why should I have to jump on one leg in a constant cycle of self-improvement? Why aren't these bitches chasing me, or at least meeting me halfway? f**k this bullshit.

I'm not talking about self-improvement, only the recognition of patterns which reveal the truth to you. Pattern recognition; repeating the same things over and over, until you open your eyes and see and understand what's going on precisely. Then you'll have knowledge, but not through self-improvement.

You ever read a book once and enjoy it? Then went back and read it again and learned some deeper things which somehow you missed the first time? And then a third time you go back and there's yet more, deeper information?

I'm saying, it repeats automatically, over and over again, to show you every aspect of the things you need to know, for your own awareness.

And once you figure out the patterns, then you can figure out the path that you're supposed to be on.