Asian men complaining about XMAF situation. Have they got a point?

[drronnie]

From my obsevations in Bangkok most Thai men are still in relationships yet a number of posters on reddit and Asiam men forums are upset that Asian women are dating everything which is not Asian causing more and more Asian men to be incel. Do they have a point?

[Yohan]

Hello, nice to hear from you again after an absence from about 4 years or so. What happened? How are you doing now? Still in Bangkok?
Up to covid-19 I was always living between Japan and Thailand, but now it is too costly to travel international, too many formalities in both directions. Just waiting it out in Japan in my home. Before Covid-19 I was usually about 2 months in Thailand, 3 months in Japan, 1 month in Philippines, Cambodia or Malaysia - but now this is not possible.

Still same with my Japanese family, all OK and I am now retired, not living in Tokyo anymore - we sold everything in Tokyo and moved out to Okayama province. I enjoy a good retirement allowance, no need to work anything anymore, and it is much nicer here living in a wide green area, with forest hills and rivers near to our new home and with less people around us, much more open space and better air.

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About Asian men complaining about 'white men taking away our girls' etc. - so far I made the experience they are mostly Asian men living outside of Asia, often in USA, UK and other feminist countries.

These Asian men do not feel comfortable in Western countries, but they also are unwilling for what reason ever to move over to their native countries.
They also often speak much better English than the language of their country of origin. Simply said, they are unable to decide what they really want.

In Thailand and Japan and also Philippines where my Filipina fosterdaughter (now 25 y/o already) is living, I cannot really confirm that Asian women do not want to date local Asian men. The men I know - Japanese, Thai, Malay, Chinese, Filipinos and also some of mixed race (all of them European/Asian) who are living in Asia and not in Europe with no intention to relocate found local wives and have no problem in their relationship.

Many serious minded Thai men I have been talking during my countless stays in Thailand had no negative feelings against foreign men with Thai women, often mentioned that these Thai women are not suitable for a Thai marriage anyway out of various reasons.

Here in Japan there is no issue like that, because there are not many foreigners around anyway, 3 % or so. Japanese men complain they cannot find a reasonable female Japanese partner and look around in Asia for a foreign wife, but nobody will blame foreign men, same situation also in South Korea and Taiwan.

[jerryrigged]

Hello, nice to hear from you again after an absence from about 4 years or so. What happened? How are you doing now? Still in Bangkok?
Up to covid-19 I was always living between Japan and Thailand, but now it is too costly to travel international, too many formalities in both directions. Just waiting it out in Japan in my home. Before Covid-19 I was usually about 2 months in Thailand, 3 months in Japan, 1 month in Philippines, Cambodia or Malaysia - but now this is not possible.

Still same with my Japanese family, all OK and I am now retired, not living in Tokyo anymore - we sold everything in Tokyo and moved out to Okayama province. I enjoy a good retirement allowance, no need to work anything anymore, and it is much nicer here living in a wide green area, with forest hills and rivers near to our new home and with less people around us, much more open space and better air.

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About Asian men complaining about 'white men taking away our girls' etc. - so far I made the experience they are mostly Asian men living outside of Asia, often in USA, UK and other feminist countries.

These Asian men do not feel comfortable in Western countries, but they also are unwilling for what reason ever to move over to their native countries.
They also often speak much better English than the language of their country of origin. Simply said, they are unable to decide what they really want.

In Thailand and Japan and also Philippines where my Filipina fosterdaughter (now 25 y/o already) is living, I cannot really confirm that Asian women do not want to date local Asian men. The men I know - Japanese, Thai, Malay, Chinese, Filipinos and also some of mixed race (all of them European/Asian) who are living in Asia and not in Europe with no intention to relocate found local wives and have no problem in their relationship.

Many serious minded Thai men I have been talking during my countless stays in Thailand had no negative feelings against foreign men with Thai women, often mentioned that these Thai women are not suitable for a Thai marriage anyway out of various reasons.

Here in Japan there is no issue like that, because there are not many foreigners around anyway, 3 % or so. Japanese men complain they cannot find a reasonable female Japanese partner and look around in Asia for a foreign wife, but nobody will blame foreign men, same situation also in South Korea and Taiwan.

Thai dudes in Thailand have almost no problem finding girlfriends or wives. Even poor and ugly guys. Thai guys in the populad areas like Pattaya and phuket know that the overwhelming majority of white expats are divorced fat old dudes from the bowels of Aussie and British culture getting raked over the coals again by hookers and bar girls. Many times they meet these girls on sites not even knowing their pasts. At best the farang is wise and understands how to play at mutually beneficial relationships with Thai girls. But you're right, nobody in Thailand is worried bout whitey taking away their women. Farang normally doesn't date proper Thai women anyway.

[yick]

From my obsevations in Bangkok most Thai men are still in relationships yet a number of posters on reddit and Asiam men forums are upset that Asian women are dating everything which is not Asian casuing more and more Asian men to be incel. Do they have a point?

No.

[Shemp]

From my obsevations in Bangkok

After a 4+ years absence, we get this brief report, then he disappears again.

[Yohan]

From my obsevations in Bangkok

After a 4+ years absence, we get this brief report, then he disappears again.

I think, drronnie will come back again. So far however I failed to meet him personally in Bangkok.
He is a real person, not trolling.

As far as I remember what he told me about 5 years ago, he is 50/50 (Continental Europe (German? Dutch? Danmark?) and Thai) but prefers to live in Bangkok, he has a regular job, but surely not that what you expect a foreigner to earn, just a moderate income as most Thai women doing ordinary office work.

He several times told me, that his daily life is not that bad, but he really fails despite trying so many times to find any nice female partner for him.

I guess, this did not change during all those years, he is a bit depressed, sad and very lonely - nothing known to me that he has relatives or good long-term friends in Bangkok.

For most Thai women in the city he is just not the good suitable long-term partner - no family members around, not a typical Thai man, very moderate income, simple job, does not own a house - I am not sure if he is a native Thai speaker either.

Thai women can be very picky and arrogant too, and their families often will show up with financial demands from the future groom and parents.

Drronnie is still young and not the old Western European divorced guy with a good retirement allowance, looking for a Thai wife in her 50s and also not interested in any relationship with a bargirl from a village in NorthEast Thailand (Isaan).

[Yohan]

The biggest problem with some Asian nations for men might be the gender imbalance and the high expectations placed on men. In China and India, there's things like the dowry for families and the expectation of a house, car, security... men who cannot provide this may feel inadequate.

In Japan, many men have 'opted out' of the rat race altogether because of this. It's not because "foreign men steal their women", that's ridiculous.

The only men who show up with such comments about 'white men are stealing our women' are mainly living in USA.
These Asian American young boys are often impoverished and hateful and fail to be accepted by Asian American women.
USA in general has racist issues, and it's not only between black and white.

I never heard such comments from men living in Asia.

Gender balance (India, China) is a problem however and some feminist hateful movements too (South Korea), Japanese men are more passive and not so few of them are very disappointed, they give up and reject any contact with females.

For instance in the Philipppines, 90% of foreigners end up with Filipinas who the local guys don't even find attractive; the dark, flatnosed type that looks like the maid. Whereas the Filipino man dreams of the tall-nosed, sharp-featured pale skinned ladies which are harder to find, let alone keep. Foreign men come in like captain save-a-hoe and sweep some lady off her feet...

Yes, true, what might be best for many foreign men is not what a financial good off Filipino man is expecting as his wife.

Abroad you will see quite a few Asian ladies dating foreign men, but still I see most of the high quality ladies end up with men from their own ethnic group

I agree, the number of Asian women who are straight into dating foreign men-only is overestimated and even in case the woman is really poor.
Many foreign men make the mistake to think, that poverty = desperation, unhappiness - and those girls are looking for their savior from foreign countries - but this is not true.

[Guhji]

The biggest problem with some Asian nations for men might be the gender imbalance and the high expectations placed on men. In China and India, there's things like the dowry for families and the expectation of a house, car, security... men who cannot provide this may feel inadequate.

In Japan, many men have 'opted out' of the rat race altogether because of this. It's not because "foreign men steal their women", that's ridiculous.

The only men who show up with such comments about 'white men are stealing our women' are mainly living in USA.
These Asian American young boys are often impoverished and hateful and fail to be accepted by Asian American women.
USA in general has racist issues, and it's not only between black and white.

I never heard such comments from men living in Asia.

Gender balance (India, China) is a problem however and some feminist hateful movements too (South Korea), Japanese men are more passive and not so few of them are very disappointed, they give up and reject any contact with females.

For instance in the Philipppines, 90% of foreigners end up with Filipinas who the local guys don't even find attractive; the dark, flatnosed type that looks like the maid. Whereas the Filipino man dreams of the tall-nosed, sharp-featured pale skinned ladies which are harder to find, let alone keep. Foreign men come in like captain save-a-hoe and sweep some lady off her feet...

Yes, true, what might be best for many foreign men is not what a financial good off Filipino man is expecting as his wife.

Abroad you will see quite a few Asian ladies dating foreign men, but still I see most of the high quality ladies end up with men from their own ethnic group

I agree, the number of Asian women who are straight into dating foreign men-only is overestimated and even in case the woman is really poor.
Many foreign men make the mistake to think, that poverty = desperation, unhappiness - and those girls are looking for their savior from foreign countries - but this is not true.

"The only men who show up with such comments about 'white men are stealing our women' are mainly living in USA.
These Asian American young boys are often impoverished and hateful and fail to be accepted by Asian American women."

Any man, anywhere, who complains about not being accepted by the local women should not date or marry-certainly he should not reproduce.

[jerryrigged]

The biggest problem with some Asian nations for men might be the gender imbalance and the high expectations placed on men. In China and India, there's things like the dowry for families and the expectation of a house, car, security... men who cannot provide this may feel inadequate.

In Japan, many men have 'opted out' of the rat race altogether because of this. It's not because "foreign men steal their women", that's ridiculous.

The only men who show up with such comments about 'white men are stealing our women' are mainly living in USA.
These Asian American young boys are often impoverished and hateful and fail to be accepted by Asian American women.
USA in general has racist issues, and it's not only between black and white.

I never heard such comments from men living in Asia.

Gender balance (India, China) is a problem however and some feminist hateful movements too (South Korea), Japanese men are more passive and not so few of them are very disappointed, they give up and reject any contact with females.

For instance in the Philipppines, 90% of foreigners end up with Filipinas who the local guys don't even find attractive; the dark, flatnosed type that looks like the maid. Whereas the Filipino man dreams of the tall-nosed, sharp-featured pale skinned ladies which are harder to find, let alone keep. Foreign men come in like captain save-a-hoe and sweep some lady off her feet...

Yes, true, what might be best for many foreign men is not what a financial good off Filipino man is expecting as his wife.

Abroad you will see quite a few Asian ladies dating foreign men, but still I see most of the high quality ladies end up with men from their own ethnic group

I agree, the number of Asian women who are straight into dating foreign men-only is overestimated and even in case the woman is really poor.
Many foreign men make the mistake to think, that poverty = desperation, unhappiness - and those girls are looking for their savior from foreign countries - but this is not true.

"The only men who show up with such comments about 'white men are stealing our women' are mainly living in USA.
These Asian American young boys are often impoverished and hateful and fail to be accepted by Asian American women."

Any man, anywhere, who complains about not being accepted by the local women should not date or marry-certainly he should not reproduce.

I live in Boston. In Boston, if you dont make 6 figures, you don't have a girlfriend, more or less. Some exceptions, but more or less, thats true, for my age group.
When I go overseas, or even to some other states, women are much more reasonable.
I think American women, and especially Boston women, are just f***ed up. Just my opinion. I'm happy being single myself. But I can see why some guys here have their gripes. Totally unreasonable expectations.

[Yohan]

Any man, anywhere, who complains about not being accepted by the local women should not date or marry-certainly he should not reproduce.

This is not true. When I was still young, I never made it up for a local girl-friend even not for 30 minutes while living in Europe, but I relocated to Asia and I am now married with an Asian woman since more than 40 years, have two daughters, one Filipina fosterdaughter and two granddaughters and no problems with my family at all.

What was not possible in Europe, was possible elsewhere for me and it was not even so difficult. Women are not everywhere the same.

Looking back, ALL of my friends in Europe are divorced, some re-married and are divorced again...It costs them a lot of time and money to regulate their life again despite all of them have regular jobs, not violent, no alcoholics, no criminal records. It's really not easy to find a nice reasonable girl of your own age in Western countries for a long-term relationship.

Women in Western Europe have very strange criteria how they choose their boyfriends, there is no serious thinking, it's only about short-time and sex-fun, often with multiple boyfriends starting as young as 13.

Of course also money plays a major role, feminism, another criteria is if a boy can offer an unusual life-style. Look around and you will see that every thug, every drug-dealer has girlfriends and every inmate in jail gets love-letters from girls waiting for his release.

[Yohan]

I live in Boston. In Boston, if you dont make 6 figures, you don't have a girlfriend, more or less. Some exceptions, but more or less, thats true, for my age group.
When I go overseas, or even to some other states, women are much more reasonable.
I think American women, and especially Boston women, are just f***ed up. Just my opinion. I'm happy being single myself. But I can see why some guys here have their gripes. Totally unreasonable expectations.

This thread is somehow about angry comments in US-based Asian men forums being upset that Asian-American women are dating everything which is not Asian - this is typical for USA, where racist issues play a role. From nowhere else - not in Asia but also not from Brazil or Peru - I heard about such a behavior.

These young Asian-American men who are a minority in USA lost their identity, they often don't know the place where their grandparents were born, they can barely speak the language from their country of origin and reject relocation and the way of life in Asia.
They often have a low education and turn out to be rather hateful. San Francisco is known for such Asian-American men.

On the other side they insist on dating Asian-(American) women only, and there are often only a few such women available, depending where you live in the States, sometimes not at all.

I can only tell these Asian-American men to do their best to sort out their social issues instead of producing hateful comments. Racism will not solve your situation.

If you are living in USA you cannot avoid white people and international/interracial marriages, white people are the majority in USA and you have to live with them.

If you cannot tolerate that you have to relocate to a country where Asian people are the majority.

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Unfortunately some Asian-American women are not ashamed to make fun out of Western men who are looking for an Asian wife and to support that stupid idea, that white men are stealing our women...this nonsense is going on since decades.

Just one example

http://www.bigbadchinesemama.com/brides/
http://kristinasherylwong.com/bitcharticle.html
https://www.colorado.edu/gendersarchive ... strategies

[yick]

Any man, anywhere, who complains about not being accepted by the local women should not date or marry-certainly he should not reproduce.

Why not? I don't get your line of reasoning...

[jerryrigged]

I live in Boston. In Boston, if you dont make 6 figures, you don't have a girlfriend, more or less. Some exceptions, but more or less, thats true, for my age group.
When I go overseas, or even to some other states, women are much more reasonable.
I think American women, and especially Boston women, are just f***ed up. Just my opinion. I'm happy being single myself. But I can see why some guys here have their gripes. Totally unreasonable expectations.

This thread is somehow about angry comments in US-based Asian men forums being upset that Asian-American women are dating everything which is not Asian - this is typical for USA, where racist issues play a role. From nowhere else - not in Asia but also not from Brazil or Peru - I heard about such a behavior.

These young Asian-American men who are a minority in USA lost their identity, they often don't know the place where their grandparents were born, they can barely speak the language from their country of origin and reject relocation and the way of life in Asia.
They often have a low education and turn out to be rather hateful. San Francisco is known for such Asian-American men.

On the other side they insist on dating Asian-(American) women only, and there are often only a few such women available, depending where you live in the States, sometimes not at all.

I can only tell these Asian-American men to do their best to sort out their social issues instead of producing hateful comments. Racism will not solve your situation.

If you are living in USA you cannot avoid white people and international/interracial marriages, white people are the majority in USA and you have to live with them.

If you cannot tolerate that you have to relocate to a country where Asian people are the majority.

--------------------

Unfortunately some Asian-American women are not ashamed to make fun out of Western men who are looking for an Asian wife and to support that stupid idea, that white men are stealing our women...this nonsense is going on since decades.

Just one example

http://www.bigbadchinesemama.com/brides/
http://kristinasherylwong.com/bitcharticle.html
https://www.colorado.edu/gendersarchive ... strategies

I understand what you mean. However, I also know that Asian-American women often come with all of the baggage and demands of their Western counterparts and then some. I can see why some Asian guys can be sour. I do agree, however, that most of those dudes would be much happier in Asian majority countries. At least they would have been, a few years ago. I think things are going to continue to be terrible, because of covid, and the coming climate restrictions, which will be even worse in the coming years. Life has become a zero sum game for very many people in the 2020s. Everyone wanted to know what the future was going to be like in the 1900s. Well, its here. And it sucks. Don't worry, it will get worse.

[drronnie]

From my obsevations in Bangkok most Thai men are still in relationships yet a number of posters on reddit and Asiam men forums are upset that Asian women are dating everything which is not Asian casuing more and more Asian men to be incel. Do they have a point?

The biggest problem with some Asian nations for men might be the gender imbalance and the high expectations placed on men. In China and India, there's things like the dowry for families and the expectation of a house, car, security... men who cannot provide this may feel inadequate. In Japan, many men have 'opted out' of the rat race altogether because of this. It's not because "foreign men steal their women", that's ridiculous. For instance in the Philipppines, 90% of foreigners end up with Filipinas who the local guys don't even find attractive; the dark, flatnosed type that looks like the maid. Whereas the Filipino man dreams of the tall-nosed, sharp-featured pale skinned ladies which are harder to find, let alone keep. Foreign men come in like captain save-a-hoe and sweep some lady off her feet, thinking he has himself a prize when, more often than not... he doesn't, in the eyes of the society he's landed in.

Abroad you will see quite a few Asian ladies dating foreign men, but still I see most of the high quality ladies end up with men from their own ethnic group; the high-earning Filipino accountant marrying her Filipino supervisor, the successful and pretty Indian engineering lady marrying a fellow Indian, fellow-engineer dude... the list is endless.

You don't have a 'pont' @drronnie you're just not awfully successful with the ladies and, quite likely, haven't tried awfully hard to be, either, as I doubt you went to the gym and changed your wardrobe and physical appearance drastically since the last time you posted here regularly. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though... how have you been?

I may not have a "point" but there are an increasing number of Asian men who are coming to the same conclusion.

[Yohan]

I may not have a "point" but there are an increasing number of Asian men who are coming to the same conclusion.

'Asian men', this is a broad definition... Please explain.

About what kind of Asian men are you talking? About Asian American men living in USA?

This is the only place where I can think about Asian men complaining about dating between white men/Asian women.

Can you give a link to any forum, any language, where such Asian men are complaining about that?

For example Thai men often complaining about Thai girls and their family, they are asking for too much financial support from men dating them (or dating their daughter), but ordinary Thai men do not earn so such money.

Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese men often look for a foreign wife, claiming local women are highly materialistic and difficult to find etc.
Mainland Chinese complaints are often from rural areas, there is really no young woman available. etc.

Indian families with a son complain about the legal situation, which makes it easy for women to cheat the husband and families to get away if a nice pay off by claiming abuse - India's 498A, Divorce Law as Criminal Law. A law that may only used by women against men.

But who is blaming white men/Asian women dating for reduced possibility to find a local Asian girl?