People are so unwilling to admit that Asian girls are just different

[Outcast9428]

I love Asian girls, and it seems to me that of all the racial preferences a guy can have, yellow fever is the most controversial. What’s really funny to me though is how many people will say “you just like Asian girls cause you can’t get a white girl.” It’s like they just take it for granted that white girls are the best. What I also notice is that people are incredibly determined to convince you that there are no differences between the behavior of Asian girls and that of other girls. Some people with yellow fever also attempt to deny this saying “I don’t fall for Asian stereotypes I just like the look.”

However I don’t see any reason to believe white girls are better then Asian girls and yes, the differences in their behavior has a lot to do with it. My longest relationship was with an Asian girl, I’ve had two close friendships with Asian girls and I’ve met several girls from Japan, China, Korea, and the Philippines. I believe in the stereotypes because this is absolutely what I’ve experienced to be true of Asian girls not just a matter of wanting to believe it. My girlfriend even told me I belonged with Asian people.

Asian girls are way more naturally conservative then the girls of any other race are. People of other races will restrain their behavior because of strict cultural and religious norms but Asians will act kind of conservative even in super loose environments. It’s like they rebel in more of a half hearted way.

Even in strip clubs, while the girls of other races usually get tattoos all over themselves, become drug addicts, speak vulgarly and swear every sentence, become bisexual and usually have stories of running away from their parents home at a young age… Asian strippers rarely have tattoos, they speak much more properly, they avoid drug/alcohol addictions, they usually aren’t nearly as slutty in their personal lives and still behave with some semblance of responsibility, often times they still live with their parents and are dancing in secret, they usually seem very gregarious and have very cute mannerisms and behavior.

Even Arabs are known for not being able to handle Western liberalism very well and often becoming degenerates in Western countries but Asians usually only become a little more degenerate when the social conditions are more loose. Even politically liberal Asians in America tend to be more reserved and less wild then liberals of other races are.

Meeting Asian girls from actual Asian countries is amazing experience though. They’ve got this almost magical presence they build around them. On one forum I saw a girl who was from Thailand and just the way she made her profile I could see it. They exude an incredibly intense sense of femininity and warmth. The way their voice sounds, their mannerisms and their appearance too.

Asian girls seem to either be very shy or very bubbly. Both of which I like. They’re more traditionally romantic too. They seem to like a lot of romantic gestures that most other girls think is too cheesy or old fashioned. Asian girls seem less interested in guys with avoidant attachment styles and instead like guys who openly express their love for her. Asian girls behave in general much more like traditional girls who want to be loved really badly.

And yes I do think Asian girls have better taste in guys. People think Asian girls are easier but honestly they are just easier for certain kinds of guys. Realistically a guy who’s unemployed, covered in tattoos, has a drug addiction and a criminal record is not going to attract many Asian girls. Behaving properly usually helps your prospects with Asian girls rather then hurting them.

Asian girls ideal guy usually seems to be the archetype of a Victorian era English gentleman. They like guys who dress and act classy, are intelligent/smart, very expressive about their love (to a potentially cheesy extent), are chivalrous in conduct, make a lot of money, and get along well with their parents.

I have read stats saying that Asian girls are three times less likely to divorce you compared to white girls. Asian girls are also three times less likely to have a weight problem and they keep weight off much easier.

Why wouldn’t I want a Asian girl? More traditional, cuter, more responsible, more loyal, more romantic, more loving, skinnier, more youthful looking.

The only downside with Asian girls is that they tend to have higher expectations when it comes to money and job prestige then other girls do. But it’s okay, can’t have everything after all.

[jamesbond]

I agree completely, I was on the fence about Asian women but after I started dating a couple of them recently I realize that Asian women are a better fit for me than white women. Asian women are very friendly and affectionate and loving, the opposite of white women in America. I also love Latin American women, they are more loving and affectionate than white women as well.

As the old saying goes, "Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian."

[MrMan]

I've not gotten flack for liking Asian girls. The only thing I can think of is before I went to Asia, my grandmother said to me that Asian girls are like American Indians. When they are young they are really pretty, but she had never seen an old Asian woman who was pretty.

I was thinking I'd never seen a pretty old white woman, either. But my grandmother was an old white woman, so I kept my mouth shut.

I think a lot of Asian women just look younger for longer than white women do, too.

Do any of you get flack for dating Asians? Do you tell your relatives or friends how you have yellow fever and Asian women are better than them or their wives, mothers, and sisters or something like that? I don't have those conversations, so maybe that's why I haven't gotten any pushback.

For looks, I like the look of a small minority of white women and a small minority of Asian women. I prefer petite, thin, model, etc. body types, not husky or what someone called 'gordibuena' on another thread. Gordi no es buena for me. Some Asians raised in the US who eat ice cream and hamburgers do get fat, but it does seem Asia is a thinner continent. It's good, because there are so many Asians over there. The earth might get off balance if they were fat like white people.

[Outcast9428]

I've not gotten flack for liking Asian girls. The only thing I can think of is before I went to Asia, my grandmother said to me that Asian girls are like American Indians. When they are young they are really pretty, but she had never seen an old Asian woman who was pretty.

I was thinking I'd never seen a pretty old white woman, either. But my grandmother was an old white woman, so I kept my mouth shut.

I think a lot of Asian women just look younger for longer than white women do, too.

Do any of you get flack for dating Asians? Do you tell your relatives or friends how you have yellow fever and Asian women are better than them or their wives, mothers, and sisters or something like that? I don't have those conversations, so maybe that's why I haven't gotten any pushback.

For looks, I like the look of a small minority of white women and a small minority of Asian women. I prefer petite, thin, model, etc. body types, not husky or what someone called 'gordibuena' on another thread. Gordi no es buena for me. Some Asians raised in the US who eat ice cream and hamburgers do get fat, but it does seem Asia is a thinner continent. It's good, because there are so many Asians over there. The earth might get off balance if they were fat like white people.

Lmao you have the most subtle method of roasting people I’ve ever seen.

It’s mostly on Internet forums that I get people criticizing my yellow fever. I haven’t gotten that in real life.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I love Asian girls, and it seems to me that of all the racial preferences a guy can have, yellow fever is the most controversial. What’s really funny to me though is how many people will say “you just like Asian girls cause you can’t get a white girl.” It’s like they just take it for granted that white girls are the best. What I also notice is that people are incredibly determined to convince you that there are no differences between the behavior of Asian girls and that of other girls. Some people with yellow fever also attempt to deny this saying “I don’t fall for Asian stereotypes I just like the look.”

However I don’t see any reason to believe white girls are better then Asian girls and yes, the differences in their behavior has a lot to do with it. My longest relationship was with an Asian girl, I’ve had two close friendships with Asian girls and I’ve met several girls from Japan, China, Korea, and the Philippines. I believe in the stereotypes because this is absolutely what I’ve experienced to be true of Asian girls not just a matter of wanting to believe it. My girlfriend even told me I belonged with Asian people.

Asian girls are way more naturally conservative then the girls of any other race are. People of other races will restrain their behavior because of strict cultural and religious norms but Asians will act kind of conservative even in super loose environments. It’s like they rebel in more of a half hearted way.

Even in strip clubs, while the girls of other races usually get tattoos all over themselves, become drug addicts, speak vulgarly and swear every sentence, become bisexual and usually have stories of running away from their parents home at a young age… Asian strippers rarely have tattoos, they speak much more properly, they avoid drug/alcohol addictions, they usually aren’t nearly as slutty in their personal lives and still behave with some semblance of responsibility, often times they still live with their parents and are dancing in secret, they usually seem very gregarious and have very cute mannerisms and behavior.

Even Arabs are known for not being able to handle Western liberalism very well and often becoming degenerates in Western countries but Asians usually only become a little more degenerate when the social conditions are more loose. Even politically liberal Asians in America tend to be more reserved and less wild then liberals of other races are.

Meeting Asian girls from actual Asian countries is amazing experience though. They’ve got this almost magical presence they build around them. On one forum I saw a girl who was from Thailand and just the way she made her profile I could see it. They exude an incredibly intense sense of femininity and warmth. The way their voice sounds, their mannerisms and their appearance too.

Asian girls seem to either be very shy or very bubbly. Both of which I like. They’re more traditionally romantic too. They seem to like a lot of romantic gestures that most other girls think is too cheesy or old fashioned. Asian girls seem less interested in guys with avoidant attachment styles and instead like guys who openly express their love for her. Asian girls behave in general much more like traditional girls who want to be loved really badly.

And yes I do think Asian girls have better taste in guys. People think Asian girls are easier but honestly they are just easier for certain kinds of guys. Realistically a guy who’s unemployed, covered in tattoos, has a drug addiction and a criminal record is not going to attract many Asian girls. Behaving properly usually helps your prospects with Asian girls rather then hurting them.

Asian girls ideal guy usually seems to be the archetype of a Victorian era English gentleman. They like guys who dress and act classy, are intelligent/smart, very expressive about their love (to a potentially cheesy extent), are chivalrous in conduct, make a lot of money, and get along well with their parents.

I have read stats saying that Asian girls are three times less likely to divorce you compared to white girls. Asian girls are also three times less likely to have a weight problem and they keep weight off much easier.

Why wouldn’t I want a Asian girl? More traditional, cuter, more responsible, more loyal, more romantic, more loving, skinnier, more youthful looking.

The only downside with Asian girls is that they tend to have higher expectations when it comes to money and job prestige then other girls do. But it’s okay, can’t have everything after all.

Well the ones in Thailand and Philippines do get tattoos quite often especially the bar girls because I've seen a lot of them with ink, and they do do drugs as well. In fact countries like The Philippines was rife with drug use, why do you think Daurte was out right murdering his own people for it? Chinese, Korean, and Japanese women rarely get ink.

And in America most Asian women are exactly like white women, but they are even worse in countries like Canada.

South Korean women are also notorious for getting plastic surgery (There are Asian women that also go around bleaching their skin to look white) which is much worse than tattoos in my opinion. A tattoo can come off, but plastic surgery and skin color bleaching? That's hell and self hate at it's finest. I honestly have no interest at all in fetishizing people though, it's part of the reason why I strongly hate white women that go for black males exclusively while they also openly crap on their own men. Once the whole Queen of Spade shit became a thing among the low IQ white women, I wanted to puke. It made me never wanted to mess around with anyone who wasn't the same ethnicity I was if I knew they had a ethnicity fetish..But I don't go for different enhicities anyway so it doesn't too much matter to me anymore.

When you said that Asians are more traditional, more responsible, more loyal. lol I honestly chuckled. So many men would disagree with you on this. Japanese women have a bad habit of disappearing on men and not telling them why they vanished. And a lot of Filipina's are known for scamming people out of money so how does that make them loyal or even honest? I also heard that Thai girls were boring and lacked conversation skills.

When it comes down to it, Iv'e read more than enough horror articles written by men with more experience that say a lot of men think Asian women are perfect, the worse offenders are the ones believing they are passive and submissive then they find out the hard way that it isn't true at all. Its the same thing with men assuming that Russian women are superior because they tend to dress nicer, take care of themselves, etc. Yet all the Russian men I've met told me Russian women are spoiled, and expect far too much. You also have men who often get burnt by Asian women they try bringing to their home country. I've seen my fair share of overweight Filipina's also. Overweight people is mostly an American issue, not really a global one since you won't find a lot of overweight women in Eastern Europe at all.

I don't know I think all women are the same regardless of ethnicity. They tend to put on face in their own country because shame is still a thing in most part of Asia. Acting like a stupid whore won't really win you approval ratings in Asia like it does in the West. America honestly don't have nearly as many Asians as Latino's, Blacks, and Whites either. They are a very small minority. You have some states where they barely exist there at all. Besides if Asians were all that different, there wouldn't be so many of them involved in porn. The fact that you have so many Asian women involved with Onlyfans and Porn is enough proof for me to not think they're all that different from White women or any other type of women for that matter just because you met a few of them that turned out "better."

There was already a forum post on here where multiple people were criticizing Filipina women for being uneducated, stupid, and unable to carry on intelligent conversations, and then another forum post which Wintson posted himself that criticized Asian women as well. Chinese women get a lot of heat for being too high maintenance and demanding. I've come across a couple of forum post where people crapped on Asian women, some men just find them more suitable and appealing but they definitely have flaws like every other woman.

[MrMan]

About 59% of the world's population lives in Asia. It is the world's largest continent. Cultures vary widely from one end to the other. So it is hard to make accurate generalizations. Even within a country, cultures may vary.

I spent many years in Indonesia, and I can see some benefits to marrying an Indonesian wife. The last I heard, the divorce rate was much lower than in the US, though it was rising. Indonesia has diverse people-groups. Sundanese had a higher divorce rate. Divorce was considered stigmatized among Batak, but it has gotten to be more common. But still the average is lower than in the US.

In Indonesia, there is still a culture of women learning to cook and take care of the home. Some girls become career women and do not learn how to cook, but it is considered good if women learn to cook. Some cultures are matriarchal, though. like Padang, where they say the best cooks are men. But there are patriarchal cultures there. All else being equal, marrying a girl from a patriarchal culture is probably preferable.

I was in Indonesia several years ago. One of my wife's cousins was staying with us helping out with something. I overheard her and my wife talking about how a cousin had been sleeping around. It was considered something really bad to do before marriage. This cousin was from the village, though. It is still expected that girls, and men too, be virgins at marriage.

I was still picky finding a wife there. Back in the day, though, I could tell I was considered a very eligible bachelor. Maybe I'd just learned to pick up signals, but I could tell a number of women had feelings for me or were interested in me. Being white is probably still an advantage for dating over there. And the girls are very marriage oriented. It's not about endless dating and getting free meals.

[Outcast9428]

@WanderingProtagonist

Question... Have you actually met, befriended, and dated asian girls before, both Asian American and Asian Asian? or are you just salivating at the idea of being able to do an "ackstually! Asian girls aren't like that because everybody is basically the same!" This is Happier Abroad, political correctness doesn't score you any social points here, but nice try. See, I actually have done all that I described and I can confirm the stereotypes are pretty much true. And I'm sick of people using exceptional cases to prove their idea that there are no actual differences between people. People on the internet do this all the time. They point to some random ass story they read online and go like "See! Look at this!" Okay nice job cherry picking a random story in the wilderness. But the fact is, behavior that I've noticed is normal among Asian girls is exceptional among white girls. Behavior you often encounter in white girls is uncommon in Asian girls.

Quite frankly, what some random guys on the internet said doesn't tell me anything. Because I don't know what kind of man he is, I don't know what details he's potentially leaving out, he may not even understand why he got the kind of reaction he did because the cultural differences are so vast sometimes, and I don't know the woman's side of the story either. For all you know he was being a creep and that's why he got scammed. Maybe the Japanese woman disappeared because he did something that freaked her out and the story he's giving you is "she just disappeared? I don't know what happened!" Asian girls are very passive and their method of dealing with problems reflects that.

Lots of guys from America and the UK think the same strategies and behavior that works on Anglo girls will work on Asian girls. Again, this is coming out of this insane sentiment among the politically correct types that refuse to acknowledge any differences between the races in terms of behavior. They seem determined to believe that the rules of their own country/culture and the way their own people behave is what's normal everywhere and that this is how humanity was wired whereas the truth is that its more likely that's just how American or British girls are biologically wired. Look at how many black men like fat asses compared to how many asian men like fat asses. Is that really a result of culture? Cause I've never seen an Asian man who liked thick girls with fat asses. The truth is that the kind of guy who's successful in America is gonna be a failure in Asia because Asian countries do not reward aggressive, direct approaches or behavior from men. That kind of behavior scares most of the girls there because its not normal. So men who run around acting that way in Asian countries are seen as perverts and slimeballs and the kind of girls they do attract are the sort of girls that nobody else in their country wants precisely because they are more slutty or badly behaved then the average girl there is.

Asian American girls are not exactly like white girls. Even the really Americanized Asian girls, you can see the Asian side of them come out sometimes. There may be some Asian girls who really are fully 100% Americanized but I've never met one. I've certainly met some who I'd say seemed 90% Americanized white girl but I've never seen any Asian girl who truly did not seem Asian at all. I'm sure they exist, I just haven't met one.

[flowerthief00]

Pretty much what WanderingProtagonist said. Asian women are just women and have flaws like women everywhere. I like them better because their physical characteristics are appealing to me, but I'd be a fool if I tried to make myself believe that they're any prettier on the inside. The differences that exist between Asian women and western women amount to personal preference.

[WilliamSmith]

@Outcast9428, @WanderingProtagonist can speak for himself if I got it wrong here, but I think you misunderstood him if you thought he was being PC.

I have high regards for a lot of the Asian cultures (especially ancient China and Cantonese, but also Japan, Vietnam, and I'm really into learning more about Thailand and other SE Asian nations now too), and I also think they have nice women, and I have known quite a few Asian women personally too.

But WanderingProtagonist isn't wrong in a lot of the things he said either:

There's widespread prostitution in Thailand (including massive abuses of it like the cases I mentioned in another thread, where an evil kidnapping and torture criminal ring was forcing young women to do it) and like he said, there's more drug use, participation in the porn industry, etc.

Japan's not as bad on drugs (yet), but prostitution is big, including women who don't really want to do it but need money and don't know where else to turn sometimes. And the rate of ordinary girls participating in porn is even worse in Japan than most other countries: I remember reading (I think on the Gaijinass blog) that the percentage of girls there who made at least one AV film is really f-ing high there vs most countries that also have a porn problem, despite the outward cultural conservatism that still mostly prevails there.

I don't know much about the Philippines personally, but pretty sure they do have drug issues there based on the Drug War WanderingProtagonist was mentioning.

Don't mistake me for being negative about Asian countries and women though!

I do think you'd probably love it in some of the Asian nations, maybe even Japan as long as you're aware of the problems they have that are in fact sending their former level of social harmony and traditionalism down. (Not saying it's hopeless and it'd be awesome to see a resurgence of Japanese nationalism, populism, etc, but it's still going down, and their mixture of having a bunch of overcivilized introverts wallowing in readily available legalized prostitution and porno has made their population collapse even worse so now the country's being flooded in foreigners.)

Same as with what I was saying to Tsar in a different thread, I'm not presuming to give advice as though I know best or know exactly what you guys want, but still "throwing my hat in the ring" since that's what we do here :
The fact you kind of freaked out over that funny 250 Thai Girls book I posted for a chuckle a few days ago does make me raise an eyebrow wondering if you're somehow sugarcoating Thailand (and some of the others) as more purist and traditional than they really are, even though I know they do have beautiful traditional cultures and a lot of conservatives there want to keep it that way...

Up to you obviously, but I think you can still find more intact traditional cultures in other South East Asian nations like Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar maybe, not to mention Indonesia and perhaps even more so: Malaysia!
If I was a traditionalist chasing Asian chicks I've DEFINITELY go look at Malaysia seriously, because they're traditional and conservative, have awesome laws against globohomo perversion, and also the best rates of recorded "antisemitism" anywhere outside the more hardcore Middle Eastern countries, which means they'll be more resistant to getting their traditional culture subverted and poisoned. Actually China is clearly making a major move in this direction too with what Emperor Xi has done banning display of faggy men (LOL), outlawing gangster rap, throwing out foreign perverts, and having Chinese media declare Soros to be a global economic terrorist, among other things, but they've closed themselves off more to foreign expats (probably for good reason!) so that's not necessarily an option for Happier Abroad types right now...

I'd also like to travel in SE Asia and Japan later on, but my own quest is simpler right now because of developments in my love life: Just find a nice Caribbean or African country where I can take my black women, but hopefully find one without too many angry black men hellbent on taking me out with knives and guns or trying to get the drop on me so they can burn me alive inside gasoline-soaked tires ("necklacing" as they call it, heheh). Some nice older black gents from the Caribbean and some African countries give me some hope there they might be able to tolerate me without wanting to do that, though I'll stop there so we can stay on the topic of your Asian girls here.

[WilliamSmith]

One things that came up that I do think is way off the mark though is the guys who complain about Asian chicks supposedly all being boring conversationalists:
When I hear that, I'm always chuckling, because aren't the guys complaining overlooking the fact that these Asian chicks are actually smart enough that they've learned to speak English well enough to have a conservation with these mouth-breathers to begin with, unlike them conversing in the girls' native language in the country they're in?
How many expats/sexpats out there whining about Asian women being boring conversationalists do you think are fully fluent in Thai/Tagalog/Chinese/Japanese/etc or whatever the native language is of the women they're talking with?

Also, @Outcast9428 I think if you get fully fluent in Japanese then you might find some Japanese women quite mentally interesting, as well as attractive for other reasons you might like them for. (I'm not fully fluent enough to hold deep conversations in realtime unless they speak English, but I can translate Japanese well enough to read intelligent Japanese women writing some very interesting thoughts.)

By the way, for you guys who like female nerds, I bet Japan, China, and Russia are probably the world's greatest cornucopias of female nerds. (Formerly some Western nations would have been but they're all going down the drain from being dumbed down.)
Korea and Vietnam might also belong on that list as contenders for high numbers of female nerds, but not sure....

[WilliamSmith]

Oh yeah, heheh one more thing:
You said you haven't personally met 100% Americanized Asian American women, but I sure have!
I'm not as negative on American women as most here overall, but it's definitely true that tons of Asian American chicks that were born here are practically identical to white American women in a lot of ways. Same with Americanized Latinas from what I've seen. (There's quite a few those where I've been on the Left Coast.)
That doesn't mean I'm being negative about them for being Americanized, since I'm not in the "anti-American woman rants" group, but also: A lot of Asian men from their home countries won't date them because they think they're too outspoken and difficult to get along with, heheh. (I don't mind women being outspoken, but that's what I've heard both some Asian guys and also Asian American women saying happened, LOL.)
That's also true of Asian American men sometimes: A lot of times the old-timers from the home countries can't stand them because they think they're too arrogant and spoiled after becoming Westernized, LOL.

I agree that all the races come hardwired with certain behavioral tendencies and we're obviously not all the same, but I still think the cultural environment people grow up in tends to trump the biological tendencies, even if the hardwired genetic tendencies do make a big difference a lot of times.

[Outcast9428]

@WilliamSmith

I have read a stat before saying that 50% of Thai girls marry as virgins. Given that the median age of marriage in Thailand is 21 for girls, it seems pretty plausible that this could be true. In Japan, half of the unmarried population are virgins. When I heard my ex talk about her parents and when I met them myself, they said things that indicated an almost unimaginably conservative worldview compared to people in the US. I feel like even people in the 1950s wouldn't have been as naive as her parents were. When I came to visit her, my ex was talking about the hotel she was booking that night, and then her mom turned to me and asked what hotel I was staying at. She literally thought we were going to stay in separate hotels even though we had been dating for months. It admittedly caught me off guard at the time and I told her I hadn't figured out where I was staying yet. What's particularly strange is that this didn't even make them suspicious. Her mom completely took my answer at face value as if she didn't even expect us to try to stay in the same hotel. My ex also told me that back in college she was on the phone with her mom and said something about the noise nearby being a frat house having a party and her mom responded with "oh, what are they celebrating?"

I think a lot of Thai and Filipino girls sleep with Western guys thinking that doing so cements the relationship. Traditional countries are usually successful at preventing a hookup/casual sex culture from forming but most traditional countries still have plenty of premarital sex. I imagine there are plenty of girls in these countries who are willing/okay with sex before marriage. And their opinions on when it is okay to have sex within a relationship may vary quite a bit. Most of the girls having sex with guys like the guy you mentioned in your book probably thought that having sex would make him more likely to commit to her or fall in love with her. However, one night stand/hookup culture is very different from premarital sex. I sincerely doubt there's many Filipino/Thai girls who intentionally seek out one night stands and hookups the way Western girls do. In traditional cultures, sex pretty much automatically means you're in a romantic relationship and this assumption, ironically, makes it very easy for liberal Western guys to exploit because pump and dump culture is alien enough to them that they're not expecting anyone to do that. These guys are basically scamming the girls there and acting like its culturally acceptable to do that in those countries when the real truth is that its easy for them to pull off because its not common for the local guys to behave that way over there so the girls don't even know how to deal with that sort of behavior.

The Philippines is actually too conservative about drugs in my opinion. I don't think people should be killed for using drugs. What separates the Filipino drug war from the Mexican drug war though is that the Mexican government's drug war was intended to dismantle the drug cartels. Duterte's drug war, on the other hand, was mass killings of anybody involved in the drug trade whatsoever including the people using drugs. Even then, 3 million drug users out of 110 million people is less then 3% of the population. Duterte literally said he wished he could kill every single one of them. The Philippines drug war wasn't a result of widespread drug abuse but moreso a matter of Duterte specifically really hating drug users to the point of ordering policemen to shoot them and turning a blind eye to vigilantes killing them.

[WilliamSmith]

C’mon Lucas this is such an obvious act that it’s painful to watch. You’re acting like a 16 year old boy who thinks people can’t put two and two together. If you had so much primal masculinity and such a warrior spirit and are such a hit with the ladies because of that then why were you an incel for years in the UK? Also you told me you had autism and in my experience, I’ve never met an autistic guy, especially not one who was an incel, who is the kind of guy you’re trying to portray yourself as. You try to act like women are the same everywhere and then in the next breathe talk about Latina women being superior and that you get along so much better with them then with British women.

Not to mention when you first got to this forum you talked about the male underclass of society in Anglo countries who were deprived of sex and you talked about going to prostitutes. Believe it or not I have met a lot of different people in my life. I was on a college campus full of dudes who slept around like crazy and none of the guys I’ve met who actually sleep around and “exude primal masculinity” a lot talk this way. They all act confused as to why anybody would ever go to a prostitute.

This puzzle doesn’t fit together. There’s either something you are not telling us, you aren’t self aware of your true personality, or you’re lying about something.

I see that I've hit a nerve in you just because I spoke some harsh truths about your precious Asian girls which contradict the idealized image that you've created around them, but never mind.

I'm not sure exactly what you think that I'm lying about or hiding but I assure you that on this forum I've always been extremely transparent about my own life together with all of my flaws and eccentricities. Why wouldn't I be? This is one of the few places where misfits and eccentrics like ourselves can truly be ourselves without taboos or the need for self-censorship.

There really is no secret. No "puzzle".

I started off as a somewhat nerdy, socially awkward incel in a country which I didn't fit into at all. I was even a little bit prudish and had an uncomfortable relationship with sexuality. I was even a bit of a goody-goody strait-laced dude like you. But then in my early to mid 20s I began to realize that all of that shit wasn't getting me anywhere and so I decided to reevaluate my own values and conception of masculinity. It was a long process of self-discovery. I had always done martial arts but then in my mid 20s I got into MMA training and connected with a new kind of masculinity -- a more primal one. Through my MMA training I progressively gained more confidence and really started to come into my own. Not only did I develop a more masculine athletic physique but was also transformed over time on a psychological level.

I also spent a lot of time in Spain and Latin America in my early to mid 20s. In Spain and Latin America I always feel disinhibited, like I can just let loose and be myself. I began to experience a lot more social interaction than I normally would and most of it was positive. I gradually got more confident and was brought out of my shell. At the same time I became intoxicated with the Latin free-spiritedness and passion for life. I became much more like a Mediterranean or a Latino in terms of behavior and mindset and ditched my former nerdy Anglo whiteboi personality which was just dorky anyway and only held me back. Remember also that I speak fluent Spanish and speak nothing but Spanish when I'm in a Hispanophone country. I find that exclusively speaking a foreign language can facilitate radical change in one's own personality. So I completely changed over the course of a few years. I found myself much more forward with women (Latinas). I had even developed a bit of an edge.

The simple answer is that I changed due to my own life experiences and also a conscious effort on my part.

Now, I don't deny that I'm a curious case. I feel comfortable with Latin American women and when I'm speaking Spanish but I still feel extremely uncomfortable with British women and people from the UK in general. It's as though I can't function socially with people of my own nationality. It has to be with Latin American women and with Spanish as the medium of communication for me to do okay socially. I've had girlfriends in Spain and Latin America (all Latinas) but never in the UK. But I don't like British women anyway and don't even attempt anything with them.

I've never said that I believe that women are the same everywhere. Never. I observe clear differences across ethnic lines. In fact I only date women of certain races and cultures for this same reason.

You base your idea of how men who "exude primal masculinity" are supposed to be confused as to why any guy would ever go with a prostitute on your experiences with guys at some college of yours in America. Well I was living in Spain and in the Hispanic world plenty of guys go with prostitutes regardless of whether they are incels or not. Almost every guy I know has had at least one encounter with a professional. It's just a different culture.

I don’t personally know what it is you see in those girls you guys post. You and WilliamSmith have very black taste in girls.

We do, especially in the booty department!

Also I have never said that every woman of a specific race is a certain way. I said that certain preferences and behavior is much more common among different races. You’d have to be willingly blind not to see this.

I've experienced Japanese society myself. While there certainly are clusters of traits and behaviors within certain races, I think that your tendency to overidealize Asian women -- particularly Japanese and Chinese women -- could potentially lead you to disappointment.

You're damn right they're precious to me.

Don't you think if my perceptions of them were wrong that one of my Asian friends or my ex might've said "gee outcast, you really make a lot of overgeneralizations." Instead, all of them said the stereotypes are basically true. That includes both Asians who support those cultural tendencies and Asians who dislike them. One guy from Japan for example told me he really didn't like how "uptight this nation is but you would probably think it is a paradise." Ideologically, this guy was kind of like a Japanese version of you although he wasn't hostile towards Japan to anywhere near the same extent that you are hostile towards the UK.

I seriously doubt that I would be disappointed with girls from Asia given how many of them I've already talked to before. This includes Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Filipino, and Thai girls. Those are the ones I'm familiar with. One Thai girl I spoke to is exactly my type of girl. I know one guy who can spiritually read people and assess their personality and traits just by looking at their faces, he's shockingly accurate too, I've shown him people I knew from my past and didn't tell him anything about them and he nailed their personality to a T. Well he looked at the Thai girl who I told him had recently been dumped by her boyfriend, he took a three second look at her and said "wow, he is an idiot."

I don't expect every single girl walking around to be my type. I've already said this, I know liberal girls exist in Asia too. But generally the reason why a lot of Japanese girls go for foreign guys isn't because they view them as dominant bad boys but rather that they view them as sappy Romeos who will shower her in attention and affection all the time. Japanese girls who are dissatisfied with Japanese guys are not usually feeling that way because they think the Japanese guys aren't thuggish, dominant, and bad boyish enough. Its because a lot of them are too stiff and reserved even by my standards, they won't show affection to their girlfriend/wife even in a relationship, they are slightly embarrassed about holding hands or hugging in public and kissing is out of the question.

I'm taking the liberty to reply to you guys here again since you were talking about Asian women rather than the other thread topic about the immorality of asceticism...

@Outcast9428 I think you were pretty on the mark when you talked about where some Japanese women were dissatisfied by men not showing them enough direct affection and romantic attention, even in a relationship or in private (!!). I'm not disrespecting Japanese men or other Asian men with similar issues, either, but it's a fact those are some issues they have due to cultural conditioning over there. That book I mentioned a while ago about "mixed dating" in Japan even had some interviews with black girls who married Japanese guys and the men had weird issues with some of the younger generation of guys being bashful about intimacy or nudity even in private, a bizarre situation. I think some of the white libs and Europeans are just as f***ed up (maybe even moreso in many places), so this is not Japan bashing or Asia bashing, but it's still a problem for them, and explains a lot of why it's too easy for foreigners to score with their women.

People keep thinking that Asian girls are enamored with white guys because the white guys are comparatively aggressive compared to Asian guys. But that doesn't line up with the fact that all the Asian girls I've met who had white boy fever seem to be enamored with old European/white culture rather then modern white culture. They like white guys who act like old fashioned gentleman types and who's ideas of romance resemble a Shakespeare character. And they always seem to go for white guys with a boy next door or nerdy look/personality rather then going for frat boys and douchebros.

On the last paragraph: I also agree, but I was one of the ones who mentioned sexual aggression/assertiveness vs the problem that happens when emasculated Europeans or Asians get too wussified, but I never meant to imply the pathetic slovenly and negative modern culture carried any advantages:
When I said a more masculine approach was why it was easy for white men to score with Asian women (especially with a gentlemanly quality to them on top of the masculine foundations),I was thinking on the lines of anything from an old-time James Bond film or Carey Grant (or even Gregory Peck), or anything comparatively wholesome up into the 80s films. But you don't need to be that good-looking as those names I listed, because adapting that kind of behavior will pay huge dividends even if you have a way more modest appearance.

On this:

They like white guys who act like old fashioned gentleman types and who's ideas of romance resemble a Shakespeare character. And they always seem to go for white guys with a boy next door or nerdy look/personality rather then going for frat boys and douchebros.

100% agree that gentlemanly masculinity is the way to go as a generalization with Asian women (especially Japanese, but I even though the Japanese are very unique, I think as a generalization it's pretty true across most of East and South East Asia that they like a masculine but gentlemanly approach).
Actually I honestly think most women probably respond the best to that approach as long as the masculinity and assertiveness isn't just a footnote (because otherwise the desirable gentlemanly qualities are at risk of being misconstrued as submissive or timid).
I only partly agree on the boy-next-door / nerdy aspects: I agree most would choose those over fratboys/douchebros for sure, but the most extreme white-fever cases amongst Asian women I've noticed would rather have a little bit more of a real man even if he's on the civilized side, maybe like something out of a Jane Austen or Bronte Sisters novel, LOL. I've heard a lot of them verbally mentioning having the hots for Hugh Jackman. Some of the younger chicks talked about Brad Pitt a lot.
So my point here is: Yes, you can score a lot more with Asian women even if you're on the goofier/nerdier side, but that's partly because the Asian women don't have much exposure to even more masculine variations.

[willymonfrete]

99% of behaviour is genetically wired in.

how are central american mestizas from states like oaxaca and chiapas?are they conservative and feminine and modest like asian women?I heard they were.

[MrMan]

There are Chinese girls adopted by American families. I would imagine most adopting families probably have attentive parents who really value parenthood, so they may not be typical. But if you can find a 'typical American family' with a Chinese daughter, is she going to be more home-minded, caring, conservative, etc. than the average American?

I've been to Hawaii, and there people there with Asian faces who have kids out of wedlock. Asian genes don't prevent all the social problems.

Asia is a huge place with lots of cultures. A lot of them are collectivist and traditional and still do have some marriage values that are less common in the US. But there are individuals... and subcultures... in the US that have good values when it comes to marriage.