What It Means To Be A Good Father

[fschmidt]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

[MarcosZeitola]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

I've been to see prostitutes and it is honestly a waste of money and time. You end up feeling worse after the interaction because even though you get to blow your load it's still pretty empty and without any connection at all. This is why I said if anyone is going to see a prostitute they'd be just as well sticking their cock inside a vacuum cleaner.

Yeah, I never understood the appeal. I have had times where I was quite down on my luck and really didn't have that much money. Like all I wanted is just to buy a certain particular item of food, and I wouldn't be able to purchase it because I'd be too broke, instead forcing me to eat some disgusting cheap food that was all I could afford... thinking back at such times, even now that I am an in a position where sleeping with whores would be something I can easily pay for, I still wouldn't do it. Not just because of the whole "not wanting to pay for things one could get for free" thing, but also just financially speaking... I reckon a man with a high libido could easily get addicted to prostitution and it'd drive you to bankrupcy the same way a cocaine habit might.

@MrMan and @Tsar

I don't know, I feel like y'all are somehow being more autistic about this issue then I am. I mean, I am already a very "black and white" thinker so to speak. But I still realize that you just can't be so extreme about this. Y'all don't accept any middle ground between virgin and slut and Tsar, I'm sorry, but that rule is really really holding you back when it comes to dating. I can understand saying "I won't date a girl with a double digit partner count." But the whole "she must be a virgin" thing. I mean, if you date a girl who's only slept with one guy or two guys, its basically the same as dating a virgin. She's still really inexperienced, hasn't been jaded by frequent heartbreak, and the chances that her boyfriend was bad or mediocre in bed are really high.

And MrMan, you're basically saying 97% of women are whores who have defiled themselves and only 3% of women out there are good. Even my mother has defiled herself by your standards even though my father is the only man she ever slept with. I mean, I respect you for having followed through on your beliefs, but not everybody can do that.

This is true. If you would only consider a virgin for marriage, you are limiting your options enormously. A lot of the aversion to sleeping with women who had previous sex partners probably hails from personal insecurities of certain men; performance anxiety, for instance, or insecurity regarding the dimensions of one's dong. Which is quite unnecessary as, unless the girl you go after is a complete hoe, chances are she didn't have that many bed partners and you'd have to really underperform badly before it gets to the point where it is noticeable. The things men worry about are often not even on a girls mind at all.

In the end, most men want to be like Neil Armstrong and "boldly walk where no man has walked before", but the next-best thing is to just be the LAST man to walk where perhaps one or two others have walked before... sure beats being alone at home every night with only your own hands for company and some depressing pornography on an screen your only solace.

[Outcast9428]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

Exactly...

Men need some experience going into a relationship/marriage. It helps a lot when they are marrying an inexperienced/virgin girl because inexperienced girls have no idea what will please them in the bedroom. If the guy has already been taught about sex from prostitutes though, he can go in and blow her mind and she'll be loyal to him forever.

[Outcast9428]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

This is something I have brought up as well that the only cultures in history that have actually succeeded in truly eliminating prostitution from society were either communist regimes or extremely polygynous cultures.

If Medieval Europe with its incredibly rigid adherence to Christian theology allowed prostitution while all the Communist societies that hate Christianity outlawed it, then being against prostitution is definitely not traditional.

[Pixel--Dude]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

Exactly...

Men need some experience going into a relationship/marriage. It helps a lot when they are marrying an inexperienced/virgin girl because inexperienced girls have no idea what will please them in the bedroom. If the guy has already been taught about sex from prostitutes though, he can go in and blow her mind and she'll be loyal to him forever.

Do you have any experience with prostitutes? Have you ever been to see one? There is no similarity between an encounter with prostitute and a loving relationship. An encounter with a prostitute is cold and transactional. You say you hate hook up culture, but by taking your son to sleep with a prostitute you're just teaching him that women are just there to be f***ed.

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

@Tsar has a much more realistic view of how two virgins meeting each other and getting married will value each other more. If we did a social experiment I reckon the virgins would stay together and the young lads who slept with prostitutes would end up sleeping around or continuing to see prostitutes.

[Outcast9428]

I don’t think I’d really be mad at my daughter for having sex with her boyfriend. I really think waiting until marriage is a noble ideal but it simply isn’t realistic and even most people who are truly passionate about traditional values can’t do it.

This kind of attitude is one of the big things that is wrong with a lot of churches out there.

Paul has some words for you from I Thessalonians 4
8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

If you reject the teaching to abstain from fornication, which is the will of God, then God is the avenger of those who do so, and you are rejecting God by doing so.

I Corinthians 5 shows us that allowing a fornicator to stay in the church can lead to the spread of leaven/yeast. We are to purge that out. Hebrews 11 teaches Christians to be on the lookout for a fornicator. Many can be defiled.

Your compromise over sin contaminates those you fellowship with. If you have been fornicating, you need to repent and receive forgiveness from God, and walk in the holiness God has called you to. God gives the grace to do so.

If you banned every person who had premarital sex from your church, you'd have a lot of practically empty churches. How is a religion supposed to spread itself and find new followers when it is banning 97% of its potential followership because their rules are too extreme? How are you ever going to help people if 97% of them feel like they are beyond redemption now?

[Pixel--Dude]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

Why should their chastity matter if we don't give a f**k about the girls forced into prostitution? Who gets to arbitrarily decide which women be prostitutes and which will become wives? Seems like a shit deal for the women.

I'm sure a married woman would really appreciate her significant other sleeping with a prostitute and potentially bringing home a sexually transmitted disease.

How is a married man committing adultery with a prostitute different to a man committing adultery with a single woman? Unless we're looking at the prostitutes as less than human. The whole argument makes no sense.

A wank is a "healthy outlet" and much less disrespectful to the wife. A husband should have some damn self control. If he really can't stop himself f***ing other women then he shouldn't be married in the first place.

[Cornfed]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

[Pixel--Dude]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living. The immorality does not lie with the prostitute, who has no choice, but with the society which forces her into that lifestyle.

How many marriages do you know of that were saved by the husband sleeping with prostitutes?

[Outcast9428]

I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution.

In a non-deranged society prostitution exists to teach young men about sex so they can be mentors to their virgin wives, to remove the temptation for men to turn normal females into sluts and to add spice to marriages. Whoring in general (actresses, other performers etc.) exists to expand the female contribution into the public sphere while keeping wives in the private sphere where they belong.

Exactly...

Men need some experience going into a relationship/marriage. It helps a lot when they are marrying an inexperienced/virgin girl because inexperienced girls have no idea what will please them in the bedroom. If the guy has already been taught about sex from prostitutes though, he can go in and blow her mind and she'll be loyal to him forever.

Do you have any experience with prostitutes? Have you ever been to see one? There is no similarity between an encounter with prostitute and a loving relationship. An encounter with a prostitute is cold and transactional. You say you hate hook up culture, but by taking your son to sleep with a prostitute you're just teaching him that women are just there to be f***ed.

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

@Tsar has a much more realistic view of how two virgins meeting each other and getting married will value each other more. If we did a social experiment I reckon the virgins would stay together and the young lads who slept with prostitutes would end up sleeping around or continuing to see prostitutes.

Yes I have a lot of experience with prostitutes. It doesn't just help, it is a gamechanger for young men. Cornfed is right, its like going to a sexual mentor. I would not be where I am today had I refused to go to prostitutes. You are not meant to stick to prostitutes for the rest of your life. You are supposed to graduate from them eventually and find an actual relationship.

Hookup culture completely suffocates relationships and dating out of existence. People can't even find love based relationships because of hookup culture. It is infinitely more toxic and destructive then prostitution is. Prostitution stays in its own lane and doesn't threaten marriages and loving relationships.

Why the f**k would anybody continue seeing prostitutes if they are married? Going to a prostitute is not as good as being with a girlfriend, and its really expensive too.

[Cornfed]

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living.

Most of us have to do stuff we might not otherwise want to do to make a living. That is in fact the whole basis of much of society. We can't all be trustifarians doing things on a whim and the results of that aren't generally so great anyway.

[Outcast9428]

I also agree. I don't think anything is constructive about prostitution. Prostitution only exists in the first place because we live in a shit society where a woman needs to sell her body to have sex and a dude needs to pay a prostitute just to have some intimacy with a woman. There's nothing authentic about it. No connection between either involved. I don't know why people would even advocate for such a thing.

The point of prostitution is to protect the chastity of other women, both wives and virgins, by giving men a safe outlet. This is why every productive civilization in history tolerated prostitution. And why prostitution was promoted by Solon (founder of Athens), the Old Testament (Proverbs 6:26), and Saint Augustine. Only the most degenerate cultures outlawed prostitution.

Why should their chastity matter if we don't give a f**k about the girls forced into prostitution? Who gets to arbitrarily decide which women be prostitutes and which will become wives? Seems like a shit deal for the women.

I'm sure a married woman would really appreciate her significant other sleeping with a prostitute and potentially bringing home a sexually transmitted disease.

How is a married man committing adultery with a prostitute different to a man committing adultery with a single woman? Unless we're looking at the prostitutes as less than human. The whole argument makes no sense.

A wank is a "healthy outlet" and much less disrespectful to the wife. A husband should have some damn self control. If he really can't stop himself f***ing other women then he shouldn't be married in the first place.

Married men should never sleep with prostitutes, but it is an invaluable service for young, single men.

[Cornfed]

Married men should never sleep with prostitutes, but it is an invaluable service for young, single men.

Prostitutes would be a good alternative if the wife were not up to the task and to encourage wives to keep themselves in good shape and not take their husbands for granted. It is like the saying that women want fried ice. They want to completely capture a desirable man, but when they succeed they then regard him as a loser and don't want him any more. If he has options with prostitutes, this will keep the wife interested.

[Outcast9428]

How is a woman selling sex to make money to survive and her not wanting to really do it something which is moral, yet two adults who find each other attractive and have a genuine connection not moral?

For one thing, the same reason working to get resources is often moral whereas panhandling is often not. For another, with a prostitute you are availing yourself of the services of a female who has already chosen that profession. With seducing females you are turning them into sluts when they might otherwise have made good wives, so you are ruining a potential future family with all the devastating future consequences for society just to save a few bucks.

There's nothing moral about people being forced to sell themselves for sex just to make a living. The immorality does not lie with the prostitute, who has no choice, but with the society which forces her into that lifestyle.

How many marriages do you know of that were saved by the husband sleeping with prostitutes?

What makes you think they are being forced into it? Every girl I've met who had that as her profession was a huge sex addict. I've been long term friends with several girls who worked in these kind of fields so its not like I'm just believing what girls I paid tell me. Talk to these girls outside of the paid arrangement and they pretty much say the same thing. Selling sex gives them both sex and money, and for the latter, they feel like they're basically not even working for it.

[kangarunner]

The discussion point is "What it means to be a good father" and look what happened.......SMH