Democracy Vs. Authoritarianism

[Outcast9428]

One of my most controversial positions is that I advocate that right-wing governments need to become more authoritarian in their fight against leftism and liberalism. Its the biggest reason why my dad thinks I take the conservatism too far and its definitely controversial with a lot of other conservatives too, including ones who pretty much agree with all my values. My dad actually thinks Hungary takes the conservatism too far because their government is basically soft fascism in a lot of ways. I do not advocate a severely authoritarian regime that actually executes or imprisons its political opponents. I don't think it really matters if people love the government/leader or not. I prefer theocratic rule specifically so that no "one man" really feels too important or that the country revolves around him. I feel like placing too much power in the hands of one monarch is too power concentrated in one man's hands so I think the ideal system is a small council of religious leaders who have been selected by a larger group of clergymen running the country.

Here is the reason why I think authoritarianism is justified though... In the United States, approximately 28% of the population now will never marry with 25% of women and 30% of men never marrying. That's despite the fact that the situation in most of America is a lot better then it is in Western and Northern Europe. In countries like the UK, Norway, and Finland... 50% of the population now never gets married. In Iceland, the majority of the population never gets married, 70% of the population is now born out of wedlock and several other European countries are not far behind. Some people actually get married years after having had a child. The average age of marriage in these countries tends to be outrageously old. A lot of them the average man does not get married until he is 36 years old. Many premarital relationships are so diseased by widespread perversion that the girls are not worth dating either because they've been twisted into masochists by the porn industry. In Britain now, 70% of the girls are at least somewhat masochistic. In Sweden, 75% of the young girls there believe BDSM should be accepted by society. Even a lot of the girls who aren't necessarily masochists may still have high sexual partner counts, or they may not be interested in relationships and marriage at all.

I would argue that these statistics prove that the threat posed by leftism and liberalism is so huge, that the freedom that comes from having a purely democratic society is not worth having... Because what good is it to have freedom if you can't get a wife and family anymore? Are we actually going to tolerate having a society where 50% of the population could end up with no wife or kids anymore all because we can't trample over some sacred right that the universities, news organizations, porn industry, and entertainment industry supposedly have to spread poisonous ideas to the population?

Hungary has doubled its marriage rate in the past decade. They went from having a society like America's where 25% of the women and 30% of the men would never marry to now having a society where, if the marriage rates continues to remain this high, only 10% of women and 15% of men will never marry. This shows that Hungary's willingness to crackdown on leftism in the universities, media, and entertainment industry, along with their "socialistic" marriage loans program has basically saved the lives of about 1.5 million Hungarians. 1.5 million Hungarians will have the opportunity to live a blissful married life now because Hungary's government made it happen. And Hungary is still working to bring marriage and family to more Hungarians. Viktor Orban isn't even satisfied yet, in the speech he made after getting elected he said that they were only halfway to achieving his vision for Hungary.

Why is it more important for a few hundred bitter asshole professors in the universities to teach their cancer then it is for 1.5 million Hungarians to experience the joy of marriage and family? I think Hungary is perfectly justified in making sure those professors get fired and that the universities not be allowed to teach cancerous ideas to the population. I really have no faith in humanity anymore. I see the majority of people as simply NPCs/sheep ready to be herded by whoever is in charge. And yes, people with critical thinking skills may dislike what I'm saying for assuming that most people have no critical thinking skills... But you can say I'm actually wrong? Our country has spent hundreds of years trying to teach critical thinking skills to the population and it still can't succeed. Most people just don't have the ability to think critically. Rather then remain in denial and insist that everybody be allowed to come to their own conclusions... Why don't we just prevent the institutions of our society from misleading them?

Like I said, I don't support arresting individuals for their views, or executing anyone. But I do think purging our institutions and major sources of power of people who are going to use that power to spread harmful ideologies is justified. And what we've seen happen to the Democratic West is proof of that. Almost all of the countries that have retained good values and cultures have done so because they have authoritarian or semi-authoritarian governments. Thailand and Russia are full blown authoritarianism, while the Philippines, Malaysia, Hungary, Poland, and Indonesia are semi-authoritarian governments.

I don't think full blown authoritarianism is necessary, but semi-authoritarianism seems to be the right balance, just as long as there are ways to remedy the issue if the authoritarianism starts going too far.

[fschmidt]

I disagree, but why bother to discuss this at all? Politics are irrelevant right now.

[Outcast9428]

@fschmidt Because debating is fun?

@MarcosZeitola

It kind of feels to me like giving a video game to a starving Ethiopian. A person who can’t even imagine worrying where his next meal is coming from may think he’s given the Ethiopian an amazing gift by giving them a video game they never could have afforded. But meanwhile what he’s really thinking is “nothing else matters until I have food in my belly.”

That’s how I feel regarding this. Until we have wives and families… Pure democracy is the luxury of an extremely high functioning society. We are not an extremely high functioning society anymore though. A life lived with no wife is almost like being killed. If I knew for a fact that was going to be my fate in life, I would lose all motivation to live and probably end up committing suicide several years down the line. Nothing else would actually make me do that though… Living in poverty but with a sweet loving wife would not make me kill myself. Nor would living in a dictatorship make me kill myself. But having to live the rest of my life lonely and alone would make me kill myself even if I got a free mansion handed to me by some hypothetical Democratic but also communist type government. Don’t get me wrong severe authoritarianism like North Korea’s, Communist China and the Soviet Union is an absolute nightmare. But I don’t see the reason to be so petrified of something that’s even similar to Russia for example.

The Philippines, for all its poverty and problems, it has an extremely low suicide rate. One of only 2.4 per 100,000. That shows that even if they aren’t doing the best economically almost nobody feels truly hopeless about living a decent life.