How to get multiple wives as a Muslim (advice for Muslim bros)

[willymonfrete]

Happier Abroad definately applies here.for one,living in a environment conducive to spiritual practice,with a supportive community that also makes sinful behaviours which are destructive upon social well-being taboo is critical for being a good muslim.A country with alot of moral fitna is not good at all,for you,your wives or your children.

in fact the sharia actually prohibits muslims from living in a non-muslim country,except for da'wah or temporarily for trade and business.

the majority of lands,prohibit polygamy in marriage,while not punishing polygamy without marriage,of course some countries have child-support laws,which are good,if properly implemented to support the child,instead of the whimsical desires of the mother in spending etc but theoretically if you were wealthy,this would not stop a polygamist from having 20 babymommas if he can pay child support.

AlHamdulillah,most muslim countries have legal marital polygamy for those capable of means,while punishing it's opposite.

My guide goes as follows:

1.find a good job,and get a education so you can save up money.or find a fruitful passive income.

2.Go to a poor non-westernized or culturally christianized muslim area or country,these include all kinds of cultures and lands.Sudan,Egypt,Morocco,Yemen,Pakistan,Some parts of malaysia etc atleast third tier cities and rural areas.

3.go to your local Imam(muslim religious leader)and tell him you want a virgin wife.you can pay him to look for a pretty one,and look for poor girls from conservative areas.Tell the family you are looking to fulfill the sunnah of polygamy.You can also marry orphans,which is a great virtue in islam,and pay them a good dowry,your money will go along way here.

it is the duty of the imam to be a matchmaker in islam,and this is a common practice even in the west still.there are no incels in islam,as evidenced by the companion julaybeeb.

4.in islam,your first wife or wives cannot have a say on you having multiple wives,nor can she divorce you on this basis,she can only divorce you based on mistreatment or infidelity defined as adultery,and that would have to be mediated through a Qadi or local religious court,if you mistreat her.

5.You can give them each a house in a rural area,and it is your duty to treat them well,feed them,clothe them,spend money on them,and to give them their rights of a spouse.if you can't afford 4 wives,or 3 then do 2.do what is in your means,don't let lust make you mistreat your wives or not fulfill their rights,that is a sin which leads to hellfire in islam and is very serious.In islam we love and cherish women as sacred,and the shari'a is only in accordance with the best for male and female natures.

6.The best place for this is YEMEN.but african muslims are also very polygamous.

it is the duty of your wife to do as follows,i have already explained the duties of a man to his wives:

1.give you sex (no anal,however oral on you and on her AND KISSING is obligatory as foreplay,and sex is prohibited without foreplay in islam)whenever you want it,except if she is sick,although please don't be a dick with it.also you cannot have threesomes or foursomes or fivesomes in islam.

2.to not dishonour your name by having male friends or being uncovered around non-mahram men.

3.to obey your every word which doesn't contradict the shari'a.please again,don't misuse this,Allaah(aj)knows your intentions and takes mistreatment of wives very seriously.

4.to not make a lengthy distance of travel without the presence of a mahram,or against the permission of her husband.

5.to cook for you,AND TO MAINTAIN YOUR CHILDREN AND HOUSE.

Always take the sunnah of our prophet(SAWS)and treat your wives very well,be kind to them,be soft with them,listen to their needs,love them,and love her for being chaste.

some schools of fiqh allow masturbation,or don't consider it a sin if tempted to do fornication,so until you can do this get a sex robot.Allah will not punish you on a matter in which there is difference among the scholars.

also,if you are chaste,that is even if you did fornication,but repented you cannot marry a unchaste woman,until she truly repents.so keep that in mind.if you want to marry a christian or jewish woman,she must repent to God the father or El-shaddai,and then you can marry her.

but you cannot marry a christian or jewish woman without the permission of her male guardian and dowry to her family,unless they are discriminating you solely based on your religion,in which case the Qadi can be her waali or guardian.

so this is somewhat impracticle for most,and I highly discourage it.I think we shoudl respect our jewish and christian brothers,and let them have their own women,like we have our own amazing women.

not many christian or jewish women will do this anyway,and most would want you to sleep with them or touch them before marriage,which is a sin,and so they should be avoided.

don't try any reprehensible or immoral crap like marrying a young girl,this is not in accordance with the 4 schools of sunni sharia,contrary to the common accusations of disbelievers.This is a wahabi and twelver shia practice.I don't even think the deobandis allow this,and would be surprised if their fiqh allowed this.

I can explain this in detail if you're interested.

however,it is also your duty to protect your wife,and to be jealous over her(gheera),and the cuckold (we have a broader view of cuckoldry than just sex)or dayuth goes to hellfire in islam according to our beloved prophet,so even if she wanted to do these thingds,and you were liberal in your nature,to do allow her to do these things is a huge sin in islam on both you and her.

however,all muslims go to paradise eventually in sunni islam.

[Moretorque]

one wife is to many...

[MrMan]

In Indonesia, I have heard Muslims say that they can only get a second wife if the first wife approves of her. Is this a different interpretation? Why would you think God would not punish you if scholars disagree about something? Do you think Allah is subject to their interpretations? Trusting in the interpretations of such scholars can lead you down the wrong path.


A problem with Islam is that the Al-Qur'an endorses the Torah and Gospel as legitimately from God. It's just a matter of history that the Gospel was the same set of books in the 7th century that it is now. Sure, it has been translated, but there isn't any substantial difference. The Al-Qur'an is treated like a book, but it is actually a bunch of sayings, poems, that various people who heard Muhammad say, and were collected together, if we accept the official narrative.

The problem that this creates is that according to the Gospel, which is from God, Jesus has all authority on heaven and on earth. He died on the cross and rose again from the dead, and it is through His name that men can be saved and reconciled with God.

And if someone wants to be a submitter ('muslim') to God's will, He must obey the Son. So if someone wants to be a true Muslim, He needs to repent, believe that the Messiah suffered, died, rose again the third day, and he must be baptized and obey the Lord Jesus' teachings as communicated through His apostles. If Muhammad or anyone else teaches contrary, we are to reject it, since God revealed the Gospel before the Al-Qur'an, we judge the Al-Qur'an based on the Gospel, with the Holy Spirit, not the other way around.

And Muslims should not call Muhammad the holy spirit lest they commit 'shirk' against God. And that is contrary to the Lord Jesus' teachings.

Look at Jesus' authority here:
John 3
35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
(ESV)

He has given all things into the Son's hand. God's wrath is against those who do not obey Jesus.

Jesus spoke this to His disciples after He rose from the dead.

Luke 24
45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.
(ESV)

That's the plan to reconcile people to God. We need to believe the Gospel.

Look at Matthew 28. Matthew is one of these disciples that He sent into the world in this passage that you are supposed to get Jesus' teachings from.

Matthew 28
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
(ESV)

Jesus has all authority now on heaven and on earth. So you are supposed to believe His teachings and be baptize. If you are a good submitter to God, then you are going to obey Jesus. Otherwise, God's wrath is against you for not obeying God...for not being a submitter ('muslim') to God's will.

Here is a quote from another of the Lord Jesus' disciples

Acts 2
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
(ESV)

Peter taught repent and be baptized.

If you are a true Muslim, you will submit to the Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His apostles.

The inconsistency in how Islam is taught now is that they teach you to reject the teachings of Jesus, but Muhammad in the Al-Qur'an endorsed the Gospel. If that's contradictory with the rest of his teachings, then you have to reject that and submit to the Son, Who is Lord. Muhammad is not Lord. He does not have authority to overturn the teachings of Jesus.

Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. ... S. 5:47 Al-Hilali & Khan

Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord." ... S. 5:68 Arberry

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel [Injil] (which are) with them. S. 7:157 Pickthall

[Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Al-Hilali & Khan

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/C ... _kind.html

[willymonfrete]

In Indonesia, I have heard Muslims say that they can only get a second wife if the first wife approves of her. Is this a different interpretation? Why would you think God would not punish you if scholars disagree about something? Do you think Allah is subject to their interpretations? Trusting in the interpretations of such scholars can lead you down the wrong path.


A problem with Islam is that the Al-Qur'an endorses the Torah and Gospel as legitimately from God. It's just a matter of history that the Gospel was the same set of books in the 7th century that it is now. Sure, it has been translated, but there isn't any substantial difference. The Al-Qur'an is treated like a book, but it is actually a bunch of sayings, poems, that various people who heard Muhammad say, and were collected together, if we accept the official narrative.

The problem that this creates is that according to the Gospel, which is from God, Jesus has all authority on heaven and on earth. He died on the cross and rose again from the dead, and it is through His name that men can be saved and reconciled with God.

And if someone wants to be a submitter ('muslim') to God's will, He must obey the Son. So if someone wants to be a true Muslim, He needs to repent, believe that the Messiah suffered, died, rose again the third day, and he must be baptized and obey the Lord Jesus' teachings as communicated through His apostles. If Muhammad or anyone else teaches contrary, we are to reject it, since God revealed the Gospel before the Al-Qur'an, we judge the Al-Qur'an based on the Gospel, with the Holy Spirit, not the other way around.

And Muslims should not call Muhammad the holy spirit lest they commit 'shirk' against God. And that is contrary to the Lord Jesus' teachings.

Look at Jesus' authority here:
John 3
35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
(ESV)

He has given all things into the Son's hand. God's wrath is against those who do not obey Jesus.

Jesus spoke this to His disciples after He rose from the dead.

Luke 24
45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.
(ESV)

That's the plan to reconcile people to God. We need to believe the Gospel.

Look at Matthew 28. Matthew is one of these disciples that He sent into the world in this passage that you are supposed to get Jesus' teachings from.

Matthew 28
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
(ESV)

Jesus has all authority now on heaven and on earth. So you are supposed to believe His teachings and be baptize. If you are a good submitter to God, then you are going to obey Jesus. Otherwise, God's wrath is against you for not obeying God...for not being a submitter ('muslim') to God's will.

Here is a quote from another of the Lord Jesus' disciples

Acts 2
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
(ESV)

Peter taught repent and be baptized.

If you are a true Muslim, you will submit to the Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His apostles.

The inconsistency in how Islam is taught now is that they teach you to reject the teachings of Jesus, but Muhammad in the Al-Qur'an endorsed the Gospel. If that's contradictory with the rest of his teachings, then you have to reject that and submit to the Son, Who is Lord. Muhammad is not Lord. He does not have authority to overturn the teachings of Jesus.

Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. ... S. 5:47 Al-Hilali & Khan

Say: "People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel [Injil], and what was sent down to you from your Lord." ... S. 5:68 Arberry

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel [Injil] (which are) with them. S. 7:157 Pickthall

[Say (O Muhammad SAW)] "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the Book (The Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. S. 6:114 Al-Hilali & Khan

https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/C ... _kind.html

MrMan,I respect you and don't have anything against you,but it's annoying and suspicious how you push your interpretation of your religion in unwarranted discussions,that don't warrant it at all.

this is desperate proselytism.

and then you quote from anti-protestant catholic extremist sam shamoun's website,a known distorter,liar and person that does not display any fruits of the spirit at all in his dealings with anyone(including christians) that doesn't agree with him.

I'm not going to do a round about of refutations from osama abdullah and bassam zawadi towards sam shamoun's articles or misinterpretations,or translations of the qu'ran and bible both,not in their original language because you then have put me in a position to accept the lordship of Jesus or reject it based on qu'ranic grounds,when both the quran and bible could be wrong,and would be wrong if it accepted the authenticity of such,but the bible is DEFINATELY wrong,and Tawheed as a concept is just a self-evident truth,if we accept the notion,which I and most christian theologians accept,that a absolutely independant(within logically possible meters) causeless cause exists.

Trinitarian Christianity is definately illogical,and either Trinitarian christianity is false,or both islam and christianity are false,but logically speaking,the trinity and incarnation cannot be true at all.It really is unitarianism or atheism.

the idea that 'God'was not self-sufficient by being at times hungry,tired and experienced emotions,is contrary to any logical and full idea of 'God',and contradicts the Tanakh anyway.

the idea that one can be both fully God(independant and infinite or unlimited and unrestricted in it's mode of being,by necessity and it's own nature)and man(necessarily dependant,and limited by space-time)is also a contradiction in ontological terms.You really have no means to logically refute for example,Hinduism.


The 'Injil'or evangelion is a shari'a,not a book written by the so called apostles who were actually anonymous writers most of the time,besides maybe James and Paul's clique.

there are elements of this 'injil'in the bible,aswell as the 'tawrah'in the pentateuch,but the qu'ran's view is that both contemporary books which call themselves the 'torah' and 'gospel'are corrupted which is true and proven by modern academics and manuscript evidences aswell as the contradictions in both,and also this is the view of the the rightly guided ummah generations the Sahaba,Tabi'een, and taba taba'ieen.

furthermore,there are very sound Unitarian christian interpretations of the gospels and pauline epistles,analyzing it through it's original context and language,and it's own fundemental self-interpretation.Most christians were unitarians until a few hundred years after Jesus(A.s).

As for your idea about the Holy qu'raan,this is laughable,as we have authentic and unanimous isnad,while the bible has no such thing.

[willymonfrete]

@MrMan ,the Tanakh says God cannot tire or hunger,it also says God has no partners with him,no god before him or after him etc but you don't listen to your own text.
The New testament can only be reconstructed about 60%,and even then the method of it is not accurate really,and somewhat arbitrary.
This scholarly website refutes christian apologists on this critical issue,if you are interested,and not here to just lead people to idolatry:

https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible/text/
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible ... ibaccuracy
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible ... icism.html
The Qur'an, Its Variant Readings & Islamic Scholarship
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/bible ... ism.html#1

What Is The Challenge Of The Qur'an With Respect To Arabic Prose & Poetry?
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran ... /ijaz.html
"Those Are The High Flying Claims"
https://www.islamic-awareness.org/polemics/sverses

What I will be doing in this article is presenting evidence from the Qur'an, authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), statements of the companions of the Prophet peace be upon him, the early Muslims and prominent Muslim scholars to show that Islam does teach that the Christians and the Jews textually corrupted the revelations of God.

I urge the readers to remember that this is not about whether the Islamic claim of textual corruption is true or not, but whether Islam makes this claim or not.

The outline of my article will be as follows....

https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/evid ... scriptures
also the pentateuch was written by competing scribal priestly guilds,not moses:
http://contradictionsinthebible.com/wil ... umbers-33/

[willymonfrete]

I find this quote from ibn rushd,sufi spanish Saint Imam muhyiddin ibn arabi's teacher which goes well logically together with the arguments for monotheism in quran(21:22, 17:42)good for you,as it is pretty easy to understand :

That this primary disjunction is faulty, as Ghazali asserts, is not true. He says that the meaning of ‘necessary existent’ is ‘that which has no cause’, and that the statement ‘that what has no cause, has no cause, either because of its own essence or through another cause’, and similarly the statement ‘that the necessary existent is a necessary existent, either because of its own essence or through another cause’ are meaningless statements. But this is by no means the case. For the meaning of this disjunction is only whether the necessary existent is such, because of a nature which characterizes it, in so far as it is numerically one, ‘ or because of a nature which it has in common with others-for instance, when we say that Amr is a man because lie is Amr, or because of a nature he has in common with Khalid. If he is a man because he is Amr, then humanity does not exist in anyone else, and if he is a man because of a general nature, then he is composed of two natures, a general one and a special one and the compound (i.e the effect of the two ontological 'parts')is an effect; but the necessary existent has no cause, and therefore the necessary existent is unique. And when Avicenna’s statement is given in this form it is true.

and

If there were two necessary existents, the difference between them must consist either in a numerical difference, or in a specific difference, or in rank. In the first case they would agree in species; in the second case in genus, and in both cases the necessary existent would have to be composite. In the third case, however, the necessary existent will have to be one, and will be the cause of all the separate existents.

And this is the truth, and the necessary existent is therefore one. For there is only this tripartite disjunction, two members of which are false, and therefore the third case, which necessitates the absolute uniqueness of the necessary existent, is the true one. ‘

this goes well together with the qu'ranic injunction that God is necessarily absolutely one,thus not composed of parts,and utterly simple,and this has to be the case or he would be a effect,and not the causeless cause.

multiple gods,would mean they have to be composed of ontological parts and thus are finite effects and thus cannot be true 'gods' as the above shows.

if you take the Modalist View of the Trinity like the catholics,then I will just say that this has seperate arguments against it,but any idea of a 'God'as abrahamic religion understands requires his absolute unicity and uniqueness.
https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute ... d-reality/

there is only polytheism(social trinitarianism by alot of neo-protestants,alvin platinga) and modalism(brian leftow,catholicism) in the trinitarian setup,and both are false and impossible.

[willymonfrete]

@MrMan indonesians,generally are folk muslims and don't as a rule understand the general fiqh of sunni islam as understood by scholars which study this for decades.

the idea that a man needs permission from his wife to do anything is laughable in islam.

Islam is practically and socially patriarchal albeit essentially and spiritually matriarchal,but women can still be highly educated,work(and unlike the man,they get to keep all of their earned money on top of the maintenance and gifts which a man must give his wifer per shariah)and become scholars,Mujahedeen in war and saints.

Sunni Islam cherishes the Divine feminine,but sees it as the hidden,inner,truly Beautiful,sacred or batin aspect of Allaah and the worldy expression of his jamal(beautiful) names in contrast to the masculine jalal or authoritative manifest,outward names,and that's why we hide our women under clothing and our houses etc because that is in line with female ontological nature.

Allah is essentially feminine in his dhaat(arabic which is a divine language has essence or 'dhaat'as a feminine word) or essence according to Ibn Arabi,and his jamal nourishing tender qualities are much more powerful than his Jalal ones according to the prophet(SAWS).

We consider women too sacred to just let be tarnished or out in the world to be corrupted,and display their sacred beauty and presence,atleast this is all the Sufi explanation.

Allah is the divine mother in his highest perception of him

[Yohan]

In Indonesia, I have heard Muslims say that they can only get a second wife if the first wife approves of her. Is this a different interpretation? Why would you think God would not punish you if scholars disagree about something? Do you think Allah is subject to their interpretations? Trusting in the interpretations of such scholars can lead you down the wrong path.

Not sure about Indonesia, but in Malaysia the first wife has to be informed and the second wife has to keep her own household, and for both of course all to the expenses of their husband.

Simply said, all what counts for this kind of life-style is money.

Rich muslim men indeed have several wives, but ordinary young Muslim men with their low income are often lonely, with no contacts to females at all.

Not really my way how I arrange my life.

About Yemen, maybe fine for a short adventure trip, but that is it...

Yemen? No way to enjoy life there. A very poor place, living in post-war condition.





Old buildings have really an interesting Arab architecture, but this country in general is in very bad condition.

[willymonfrete]

In Indonesia, I have heard Muslims say that they can only get a second wife if the first wife approves of her. Is this a different interpretation? Why would you think God would not punish you if scholars disagree about something? Do you think Allah is subject to their interpretations? Trusting in the interpretations of such scholars can lead you down the wrong path.

Not sure about Indonesia, but in Malaysia the first wife has to be informed and the second wife has to keep her own household, and for both of course all to the expenses of their husband.

Simply said, all what counts for this kind of life-style is money.

Rich muslim men indeed have several wives, but ordinary young Muslim men with their low income are often lonely, with no contacts to females at all.

Not really my way how I arrange my life.

About Yemen, maybe fine for a short adventure trip, but that is it...

Yemen? No way to enjoy life there. A very poor place, living in post-war condition.





Old buildings have really an interesting Arab architecture, but this country in general is in very bad condition.

However,the dowry can be as low as a pack of dates,and this inceldom among the poor is usually because of a social reson,and not the islamic sharia itself.

most poor men do have atleast one wife though.

as for Yemen,it's a great place to marry chaste modest virgin wives easily,as is Northern Sudan,but living there may be hard but not impossible if you adapt.

[Yohan]

However,the dowry can be as low as a pack of dates,and this inceldom among the poor is usually because of a social reson,and not the islamic sharia itself.
most poor men do have atleast one wife though.
as for Yemen,it's a great place to marry chaste modest virgin wives easily,as is Northern Sudan,but living there may be hard but not impossible if you adapt.

No - thank you.

Whenever the word of 'dowry' is coming up it is for me a red signal - full stop.

I am not a Muslim, had no much money at that time but I was able to find a woman for marriage who - and her parents too - never expected any 'gift' from me in return.

There is no need to travel to a very primitive war-damaged impoverished nation like Yemen to look for uneducated girls for marriage and to live there solely for sex with them, at least not for me.

However I know a bit about Iran, not a rich nation either, but still better than Yemen for sure.
Dowry is not such a little amount in Iran, despite you can approach and communicate (at some distance - stand away from them about 1 meter) directly with girls, and also see their faces, Shia Islam is not into covering the faces of women and not everybody in Iran is a Muslim either.

If you are interested into dating an educated girl coming from a good family in Iran, expect a demand of USD 30.000,- at least, something like that, and if you look around in any village, where the girls are dumb, never been in school, not healthy either because of missing medical care, still expect her family to request more than USD 4.000 as a minimum.

I also met some single Iranian young men in the past, working outside of Iran to save up some money, and the comment from them was always the same: To find a girl in my country, everything is f***ed up.

I see not so much difference from the Western world - about the same, money is moving from men to women...

No money - no wife. And nobody is asking ordinary men worldwide from where this money should come from...

About dowry, it is outlawed in Bangladesh to offer and to receive dowry, despite most citizens are Muslims.

[MrMan]

I would imagine an advantage of paying a bride price is the woman may think that she is yours now. And if she wanted to leave you, and you paid her father four camels or a large sum of cash, then there is the issue of whether you get a refund, and she'd have to talk about it with her dad, so that's uncomfortable. And you paid for her.... which shows you value her...and she's yours so she needs to obey you.

[Yohan]

.....you paid her father four camels ....there is the issue of whether you get a refund...

There is no refund, it is considered as a gift.
In Islam the dowry belongs to the wife, not to their parents, but this is often misused.

Sometimes it's paid during marriage, but often it is not as the groomt does not have enough money and only followed by divorce, the woman is claiming the full amount - this was a serious issue in Iran, which up to a few years ago, might end for some divorced men to be sent to prison.

In Iran this dubious dowry system is now limited, laws were changed - no prison for men and the amount of maximum dowry is limited but still high considering the low income of many men there - I am not sure now, but the upper limit for dowry of marriage in Iran is now something like USD 30.000,-
(somehow measured in gold coins, and not by camels LOL)

Dowry laws were also change, even outlawed in Bangladesh, India and Pakistan to protect men against unreasonable demands by the woman and her parents.

It's not only about Muslims and divorce.

Hindu have a similar problem, just the way how it is done is different, with low-class women paying dowry to the groom's family, marry and then claim abuse and demand 50 % of all assets from the groom and his parents.(misuse of 498A, Indian penal code regarding dowry, mistreating wife and false allegations)

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Anyway I am happy, such laws do not apply to me, I am neither Muslim nor Hindu.

[willymonfrete]

However,the dowry can be as low as a pack of dates,and this inceldom among the poor is usually because of a social reson,and not the islamic sharia itself.
most poor men do have atleast one wife though.
as for Yemen,it's a great place to marry chaste modest virgin wives easily,as is Northern Sudan,but living there may be hard but not impossible if you adapt.

No - thank you.

Whenever the word of 'dowry' is coming up it is for me a red signal - full stop.

I am not a Muslim, had no much money at that time but I was able to find a woman for marriage who - and her parents too - never expected any 'gift' from me in return.

There is no need to travel to a very primitive war-damaged impoverished nation like Yemen to look for uneducated girls for marriage and to live there solely for sex with them, at least not for me.

However I know a bit about Iran, not a rich nation either, but still better than Yemen for sure.
Dowry is not such a little amount in Iran, despite you can approach and communicate (at some distance - stand away from them about 1 meter) directly with girls, and also see their faces, Shia Islam is not into covering the faces of women and not everybody in Iran is a Muslim either.

If you are interested into dating an educated girl coming from a good family in Iran, expect a demand of USD 30.000,- at least, something like that, and if you look around in any village, where the girls are dumb, never been in school, not healthy either because of missing medical care, still expect her family to request more than USD 4.000 as a minimum.

I also met some single Iranian young men in the past, working outside of Iran to save up some money, and the comment from them was always the same: To find a girl in my country, everything is f***ed up.

I see not so much difference from the Western world - about the same, money is moving from men to women...

No money - no wife. And nobody is asking ordinary men worldwide from where this money should come from...

About dowry, it is outlawed in Bangladesh to offer and to receive dowry, despite most citizens are Muslims.

When I joined muslima.com,even with just mirror pics on some accounts,I was getting hot Hijabi moroccan,tunisian,palestinian,syrian,Ethiopian and wealthy hijabi gulf arab girls simping for me,aswell as some white converts that were attractive,so looks matter alot if you want to avoid a high dowry,You cannot avoid human nature and the redpill where it actually applies.

Make yourself attractive,get a good income,understand female nature etc

Alot of muslim and hindu men don't even take care of themselves really,don't believe looks matter to women,have a rosy coloured view of women in general.

the only difference with a conservative non-hypocritical muslim woman,is in general they are much better quality for a relationship,you can have many of them,and due to mahram laws and the laws of modesty,you can bet that it is very hard for them to cheat,and if they are sincere believers,they won't generally due that,though of course being a pious muslim does not make a woman poerfect or to fully escape her hypergamous and female negative nature(nothing against female nature,male nature too has negatives and positives and female nature has a abundance of positives when nourished right)because she is a contigent being,a human,flawed etc

She can not divorce you unless you mistreated her or you don't fulfill her rights,without your permission.


As for going to a impoverished country like yemen for women,this is good because:

1.you have alot of leverage over her

2.being uneducated means she is not exposed to corruption,like many muslimas in the west.

3.she will look up to and respect you,because you are above her level.

4.poor people are much more sincere,genuine,kind and non-hypocritical,especially Yemenis.

5.they demand much less

the basic message of HappierAbroad is basically go to poor countries to find women,because poor women are much better,I would much rather have a hot brown Yemeni woman,or moroccan woman from mthe village in the mountains,then a educated western woman.

sure education is nice in woman,so is sophistication but this comes with major downsides.

education and entertainment system corrupts people,because it isn't real education or entertainment but toxic western ideas packed in there.

if it was up to me,education would be in line with christian,jewish and islamic values,and we would empower muslim women in a correct way,especially financially,but this is idealism in the current situation.

You blamed islam for inceldom,but islam says a dowry can be a pack of dates or half a date,so this is just social conditions,and not the islamic religion like you claimed.

Most yemeni men are married,it's a patriarchal,rural and tribal society.Even in incel capitals like Egypt,the rural fellahin get married.

again,rich women and educated women are a chore,a expensive product for shitty quality to what benefits the man in the current setup.

[Yohan]

When I joined muslima.com,even with just mirror pics on some accounts,I was getting hot Hijabi moroccan,tunisian,palestinian,syrian,Ethiopian and wealthy hijabi gulf arab girls simping for me,aswell as some white converts that were attractive,so looks matter alot if you want to avoid a high dowry,You cannot avoid human nature and the redpill where it actually applies.

Make yourself attractive,get a good income,understand female nature etc

Alot of muslim and hindu men don't even take care of themselves really,don't believe looks matter to women,have a rosy coloured view of women in general.
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Well, you are convinced and serious with the idea to look as a Muslim man for a wife in Yemen or nearby countries.

All what I can do is to wish you a pleasant trip and good luck.

Yes, I am sure, if you are a Muslim from the Western countries and take care of yourself with a regular income and healthy life-style in case you start dating using the internet and trying to contact Muslim women you will get a lot of replies, many more than any other man dating Western women.

It is unfortunately true that many Muslim and Hindu men don't know how to care about themselves, they are drunk, violent, dirty, lazy....

and no surprise their wives and children are the same....

In case should you be lucky and find any reasonable woman you think who fits your expectations, please teach her from the very beginning on how to keep a home and herself and her clothes and underwear etc. really clean. Also help her with some medical issues - most people from such poverty/war zones need medical help and better food etc.

Be careful not to run out of money - I also do not know if you can speak enough Arabic to communicate with locals there.
Always take care of a quick escape route if something is going really wrong, never bring all your money to such a country....

Well, that's all I can say - wishing you the best for your future.

[willymonfrete]

When I joined muslima.com,even with just mirror pics on some accounts,I was getting hot Hijabi moroccan,tunisian,palestinian,syrian,Ethiopian and wealthy hijabi gulf arab girls simping for me,aswell as some white converts that were attractive,so looks matter alot if you want to avoid a high dowry,You cannot avoid human nature and the redpill where it actually applies.

Make yourself attractive,get a good income,understand female nature etc

Alot of muslim and hindu men don't even take care of themselves really,don't believe looks matter to women,have a rosy coloured view of women in general.
....

Well, you are convinced and serious with the idea to look as a Muslim man for a wife in Yemen or nearby countries.

All what I can do is to wish you a pleasant trip and good luck.

Yes, I am sure, if you are a Muslim from the Western countries and take care of yourself with a regular income and healthy life-style in case you start dating using the internet and trying to contact Muslim women you will get a lot of replies, many more than any other man dating Western women.

It is unfortunately true that many Muslim and Hindu men don't know how to care about themselves, they are drunk, violent, dirty, lazy....

and no surprise their wives and children are the same....

In case should you be lucky and find any reasonable woman you think who fits your expectations, please teach her from the very beginning on how to keep a home and herself and her clothes and underwear etc. really clean. Also help her with some medical issues - most people from such poverty/war zones need medical help and better food etc.

Be careful not to run out of money - I also do not know if you can speak enough Arabic to communicate with locals there.
Always take care of a quick escape route if something is going really wrong, never bring all your money to such a country....

Well, that's all I can say - wishing you the best for your future.

I speak okay arabic,but I need to learn it more of course,to know fluently.

That is just blatantly racist,and muslim Arab men are not drunks,definately not dirty if they're practicing islamic laws of purity,and the rest is a broad generalization based on soul crushing protestant anglo-saxon work ethics.

Afghanistan is much cleaner than London for example,according to a black guy that recently went there.

The muslims are under the super-exploitation of the Atheist and christian west,like most of the Global south,on top of destabilization efforts or if not that then secular western puppets.

I have actually been to muslim lands,had muslim friends,met their families,and believe me,the 'virtues'of other cultures are nothing compared to the social and character virtues of the muslims in these lands.

Even my dutch convert friend said the same thing.

Theft is a non-issue in islamic countries.even where there is no Hadd punishment,like most of them because of secular western dictators,you can leave your belongings in the street and 3 hours later it will still be there.

Violence potentially is only against non-muslims.