Could we all have mental disorders that make us MISFITS in our society?

[Winston]

Hi all,
I've been wondering about something. It seems that most people do not have the issues that we do with women or fitting in. They are on auto pilot and seem to go through the motions without feeling, like NPCs. They don't complain about stuff or ask questions or complain about social isolation or dating or unapproachable women. It's like they are on auto pilot, following some kind of script, and when the time comes, they find a spouse and get married and find a job and place in society, without any real struggle. They do not struggle to find a place in society, they seem to know their place in society and do not go through any existential crises like we do everyday. Why is that? It seems like most people belong to some kind o hive mind that we do not belong to, and that's why we struggle to stay sane while others do not, they just work and conform without issue, like ants and bees do. They don't struggle to stay sane. They just do what they are supposed to. So why are we different then?

One logical conclusion is that we must be wired differently from others or on a different wavelength/frequency. So that begs the question: Could we have some kind of MENTAL DISORDER that disconnects us from society and the hive mind that everyone else belongs to? I know no one likes to call themselves mentally ill, but if this is true, it would explain a lot. Because people who have a mental disorder tend not to be able to hold a job or be accepted by a social clique. Because they struggle to stay sane and expend a lot of energy to maintain their sanity or seek solutions and meaning to their crises. But everyone else just stays on auto pilot and works and conforms without asking all the weird questions like I do, for example. I have noticed that those with mental disorders usually don't have a social clique or stable job or stable partner. It's like they are always struggling to stay sane, and others know they are different, so they stay away from them.

Now, when I say mental disorder I don't mean Asperger's, like PAG claims we all have. There are many types of mental disorders, perhaps hundreds. Just look at the DSM psychiatry manual and you will see. So we could have something else. I don't think I am an aspie because I can read social cues and body language very well, since I am very sensitive and empathic. So I can't be an aspie. I may have something else like OCD or OCPD and I am definitely an HSP (highly sensitive person) and perhaps a Starseed as well, if you are into the New Age paradigm. The point is, any mental disorder will isolate you and disconnect you from the hive, so you won't fit in or be able to join social cliques naturally, like normal people do.

Now, when I say mental disorder, I don't mean that there is something defective in our brains. I don't think there is any proof that having a mental disorder means your brain is somehow damaged or defective. My theory is that having a mental disorder simply means your SOUL or SPIRIT doesn't fit into this world, so you struggle to adapt, because your soul/spirit may be from other dimensions, like Starseeds and Indigos are. That's what I sense is the problem. So we aren't damaged neurologically, just different, perhaps different in soul. Somehow, we aren't part of the hive that normal people are, and so don't belong here. That's why we are misfits, because our soul frequency is different and cannot adapt or conform like normal people can. Remember, normal people don't struggle with conforming like we do, they just conform as if it were easy and natural and part of their nature. You gotta ask how they can do that, but we can't? (Or I can't at least) My theory would explain why. No one else can explain it. So it's a good bet that I'm onto something.

Moreover, normies tend to sense that we are different and give us weird vibes or ostracize us or treat us coldly, as you might have noticed. So there has to be a reason why. It cannot be random. No way. They have some instinct. Women especially have an instinct for sensing who is not a normie and are quick to reject men who are abnormal in any way, unless they are "cool" by the cultural standards, like bad boys in leather jackets on motorcycles for instance. But we aren't seen as cool in that way of course. So there definitely HAS to be something different about us. There's no way around is. The question is: WHAT?

Have any of you pondered this before too? Remember I don't mean the term "mental disorder" as an insult. I just meant that we must be wired differently or our souls must be different in some way and incompatible with this world. We don't just work and conform and aren't on auto pilot all day like the masses are. So there must be something different about us that society classifies as a "mental disorder". That's what I mean. So I do not intend this as any insult or imply that there is "something wrong" with us.

Do you get what I mean? Do any of you ponder this too? It seems there is no way around this so it is inescapable.

[Jamessmith0901]

I found your post really interesting. I have often wondered the same thing myself. It does seem like most people just go through life on autopilot, without questioning anything or struggling to fit in. And like you said, they seem to know their place in society without any real effort.

Your theory about mental disorders being the reason for our struggles is definitely worth considering. I don't think it necessarily means that there is something wrong with our brains, but perhaps our souls or spirits are just wired differently. It's possible that we come from other dimensions or have different frequencies that don't quite fit in with the norm.

I have definitely noticed that people can sense when someone is different, and it can lead to ostracization or cold treatment. It's frustrating, but maybe it's just a part of being a misfit in a society that values conformity above all else.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. It's nice to know that there are others out there who are questioning the status quo and trying to find their place in the world.

[Lucas88]

One logical conclusion is that we must be wired differently from others or on a different wavelength/frequency. So that begs the question: Could we have some kind of MENTAL DISORDER that disconnects us from society and the hive mind that everyone else belongs to? I know no one likes to call themselves mentally ill, but if this is true, it would explain a lot. Because people who have a mental disorder tend not to be able to hold a job or be accepted by a social clique. Because they struggle to stay sane and expend a lot of energy to maintain their sanity or seek solutions and meaning to their crises. But everyone else just stays on auto pilot and works and conforms without asking all the weird questions like I do, for example. I have noticed that those with mental disorders usually don't have a social clique or stable job or stable partner. It's like they are always struggling to stay sane, and others know they are different, so they stay away from them.

Now, when I say mental disorder I don't mean Asperger's, like PAG claims we all have. There are many types of mental disorders, perhaps hundreds. Just look at the DSM psychiatry manual and you will see. So we could have something else. I don't think I am an aspie because I can read social cues and body language very well, since I am very sensitive and empathic. So I can't be an aspie. I may have something else like OCD or OCPD and I am definitely an HSP (highly sensitive person) and perhaps a Starseed as well, if you are into the New Age paradigm. The point is, any mental disorder will isolate you and disconnect you from the hive, so you won't fit in or be able to join social cliques naturally, like normal people do.

Now, when I say mental disorder, I don't mean that there is something defective in our brains. I don't think there is any proof that having a mental disorder means your brain is somehow damaged or defective. My theory is that having a mental disorder simply means your SOUL or SPIRIT doesn't fit into this world, so you struggle to adapt, because your soul/spirit may be from other dimensions, like Starseeds and Indigos are. That's what I sense is the problem. So we aren't damaged neurologically, just different, perhaps different in soul. Somehow, we aren't part of the hive that normal people are, and so don't belong here. That's why we are misfits, because our soul frequency is different and cannot adapt or conform like normal people can. Remember, normal people don't struggle with conforming like we do, they just conform as if it were easy and natural and part of their nature. You gotta ask how they can do that, but we can't? (Or I can't at least) My theory would explain why. No one else can explain it. So it's a good bet that I'm onto something.

I more or less understand the reasons why I am a misfit in my own country. They are as follows:

1. Autism spectrum disorder

I have a diagnosis for ASD. Ever since I was a kid, my social skills have been noticeably impaired and I tend to experience difficulty in social interactions. People sense that I'm awkward and my body language is just off. Even if girls try to flirt with me, I become awkward and don't know how to respond. So I've always been held back by autism-related social impairment and a lack of social know-how (I understand social skills in theory but applying them in the real world is a different matter). On top of this, I suffer from some level of dysprosody - also autism-related I believe -, and so people pick up on my speech oddities. I'm therefore too weird for British society which likes everything "normal" and "standardized".

2. Incompatibility with my own birth culture

I simply don't like British culture and naturally have a completely different way of being and communication style. So British people tend not to like me. I don't have this problem in other countries that align more with my inner nature. I make friends easily in Spain and Latin America, feel far more comfortable in those cultures, and enjoy a far better social life. Conversely, I tend to feel extremely uncomfortable with most British people. Different cultures suit different people. Sometimes the culture that suits you the most is one other than your birth culture.


Now, as for neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism and mental illnesses, they are very real indeed. More often than not, such disorders and their related dysfunctions are associated with abnormal brain structures and neuronal connections that can be detected with brain scans. Not everything has a purely spiritual or metaphysical cause, Winston. We live in a material world. Many things have a mechanical cause in our individual biology.

For example, the most recent research suggests that autism is caused by a defective immune system (this ultimately has its cause in certain genetic sequence mutations) which is unable to cleanse the body of various environmental toxins as efficiently as those of healthy individuals and this in turn leads to the poisoning of the brain and therefore abnormal formation during early development (e.g., neuronal connections too dense in certain regions and too sparse in others). Environmental toxins linked to autism include bisphenol A found in many common plastics, although many other toxins may be responsible too.

I don't discount that our souls or deeper essence could be different but, for some of us, neurological disorders are certainly a part of why we are misfits. Conditions such as autism can indeed result in our inability to conform or integrate into certain societies - especially those with very strict social codes and ideas pertaining to "normality".

Another thing that you need to understand, Winston, is that autism is a highly heterogenous condition. Two people with the condition can be affected in very different ways. One might be reasonably okay at reading social cues but still suffer from other social deficiencies. Autism comprises a spectrum rather than one narrow condition.

[fschmidt]

Does the lemming that doesn't follow the other lemmings over a cliff have a mental disorder?

[kangarunner]

If you're an outcast....you'll stay an outcast.

[WanderingProtagonist]

If you're an outcast....you'll stay an outcast.

Sometimes you will, but it's possible to escape this. It varies from person to person. I don't know if I consider myself an Outcast...Just strongly and deeply hate certain people whether I have a good reason or not to hate them, I just hate them. I don't like the idea of being forced to tolerate or accept people if I don't want to either.

[Winston]

If you're an outcast....you'll stay an outcast.

Deep down maybe. However in some countries people do invite me to hang out or join a party or go do stuff. Such as in Russia, China, Eastern Europe, etc. So at least I'm not socially ostracized and have people to hang out with. That's the different. But yeah if you have a deep soul and are a freethinker, then you will always be an outsider at a soul level. But not necessarily socially.

[Winston]

Does the lemming that doesn't follow the other lemmings over a cliff have a mental disorder?

Good point. But normal people conform and are normal and fit into the hive mind that everyone else does. They don't stand out or look weird. They don't struggle to find a social clique or group, It just happens naturally for them. It's not rocket science like it is for us. In high school everyone somehow knows the clique they belong to, as if it's instinctive and natural. But not for us. Women especially can sense if someone is on a different frequency and are quick to ostracize them and give them cold stares. American women do that a lot. Especially white American women.

[MrMan]

Maybe I'm not wired to know whether I fit in well or not. I remember growing up, when my brother was a teenager, he lamented, "No one understand me!" I think I asked him, "Why do you care if anyone understands you?" He stuck around in America. I went overseas.

But I didn't go overseas to fit in. I had an urge to do so, and a hunger to see what the rest of the world was like. Was it a 'hunger for adventure'? I didn't kill any bears or wrestle any gorillas or fight any pirates.

Some years later, I was talking to a fellow grad student, a Chinese man who'd moved to the US and had been a businessman. He said, "You know what it is like. After so many years overseas, you go back and don't really fit in there, and you don't exactly fit in here."

I got to thinking about it. Maybe that was true. But I have my family to fit in with, so I don't care. I also tend to get plugged in with a church. My wife, a foreigner, is more of a social butterfly than I am no matter what culture she is in. So even if I don't make friends on my own as we move around the world every few years, I end up making friends through her social activities.

So, if I am a misfit, I don't care and it doesn't bother me. But I don't think I really am. I also don't have hair standing up. I don't snort when I life, make weird faces without realizing it (unless I don't realize it, and I think my wife would tell me if I did.)

[yick]

No, because I would be on some kind of drugs to get through my life - which is a lot of people - I don't think what they're doing is 'normal' even though that population is growing by the hour where they are becoming the majority.

What most people do doesn't make it normal - we're living in abnormal times in comparison to the past, that's for sure, once upon a time 'normal' was 2 kids, marriage, a secure job where you retired at 65 with a pension and a gold clock and grandkids and you died sometime in your seventies - that's not the case anymore, what we have now is a great societal shift where there are no guarantees or security anymore - there's no job for life, people are not having kids anymore and where one wage could afford a mortgage, people won't be owning their own home even with two wages coming in and people are dying younger too - it isn't uncommon hear about people in their twenties and thirties dying of heart attacks and strokes (as well as suicide).

The seas and the rivers in the UK are so contaminated with recreational drugs that even salmon and eels are coked up and their behaviours are demonstrating that they're always f***ing high and coked up - society is f***ed up beyond all recognition and the lemmings are eagerly falling off the cliff into a drug induced stupor, having no clue or any real desire on how to get out of it, people aren't coping at all and it is going to get worse. If I am not part of that number and that makes me 'abnormal' then so be it.