Ginger wrote:mguy wrote:Ginger wrote:mguy wrote:That story of Filipinos accepting you because you speak the language is largely false. That guru/shaman was pulling your leg, unfortunately.
You are a white man in this society, an outsider, unfamiliar with the pains of being Filipino and for it cannot be Filipino. Just a white guy with lots of convenience to travel and gallivant around third world countries picking up girls. "Kano"
Mostly they will think of you as a pedophile or a monger. They will mostly have their self-interest above yours, as you are viewed as resource-rich in a land of the resource-poor.
Sorry dude, just saying.
Hmm, I would have to side with Lad on this, as per your posts here at HA, you described yourself as a rich kid, and everyone knows that those who think of themselves are 'elites' in the Philippines live on a world of their own, clique-ish circles. Lad on the other hand associates with the masses (same as I do). You will find out that the farther away you are from the city and materialism (this might be extremely difficult for you to imagine), the more accepting the people are of strangers, especially if you don't exude a 'looking-down-from-your-high-horse' attitude and speaks the way the locals do. Try it.
Reference: I'm from the Philippines, looks chinese, looks upper mid class, can pass off as elite when dressed properly, but I do associate with the masses and the indigenous people on my travels and yeah, they easily 'adopt' you if you 'adapt' to them.
Keep in mind I am also an AMERICAN, an average American with a lot in common with these guys and in a unique position of better understanding where they are coming from more so than you ever will.
I am advising my own country men on fallacies in their thinking; I'm interpreting it for them, the middle man.
I don't really see the reason you are here in HA and am dubious of your motives. Do you want to help? Do you want to land somebody here? I think it is the latter. Not sure really, you are an anomaly.
You clearly did not do your research.
With that kind of judgmental and snobby response you gave, I do not doubt you are indeed the typical new-money-must-social-climb-to-look-elite-pinoy who has never gone to the real world of the Philippines. You said it yourself, you are an american, and in the Philippines you are an 'elite' (name dropping Lopezes and Ayalas does not make you elite), so what do you know of the Philippines besides the household help? Have you done anything real here besides being a white boy wanna be? I pity you.
Listen to lad, time to go down from your bourgeois/high horse/elitist seat and thinking you are somehow 'superior'. Ladislav has been to various countries and has lived amongst locals. You on the other hand, is basing things on very limited experience, and as for the Philippines, second hand information. Try to go outside the 'elite' areas you are so proud of, you'll see that the tales you think are true are just fallacies. Why do I know? Because I learned it first hand and has lived through different social stratas (elite, upper middle class, lower middle class, upper poor class, poor), that is something you do not know about and never will. You think you are educating/helping your fellow americans by telling them about 'elite pinoy' fallacies. Way to go.
You saying You think I'm here to snag someone speaks volumes. You don't even know if I am taken or not. That kind of thinking seems to point to something pathological.
Do your research.
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The Philippines' "elites?" Oh yes, they have those. You mean the ones that perpetuate the Lords and serfs social model in the country?
I have met a few...that were genuine and humanitarian in nature. Some of those are household names in metro Manila if you are a well read person. But as a class, there is not much to recommend them. For many of them, Jose Sison's description of them is quite accurate. They are born and bred in the Philippines- well, I mean Greenhills...
They sit in the VIP lounge and tell me all about their many properties and other holdings. When I tell them I am on my way to Mindanao, they usually look horrified. So your wife is Muslim? Here they are Filipino and hardly know squat about their own country. I have to explain to them that of Mindanao's population, a little more than a third is Muslem, and the rest is not. Within Misamis Oriental, I doubt that it is more than 10%. Next time I have such a conversation I think I will tell them that I am an Imam and in fact, the only white member of the Abbu Sayyaf.
My general impression of the Philippines "upper class"? With a few exceptions, total douche-bags, and oppressors of their own people.
So far as I can see, their motivation for Philippines' independence from the USA was not to establish a free society, but to simply get the US governor out of the way so they could rape the country from one end to the other, and that is exactly what they have done.
So Ginger, who may be totally "taken" so far as we know, disagrees with you and your response is to impugn her motives. If you had taken the time to check posts about Ginger, you would know why she came to be on the forum.
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Misamis Oriental, Mindanao. AKA as Heathen head-chopping Muslimville to Luzon elites. My wife's seamstress is a Muslim. Oh the horrors! Tad tad!