Are Asian men only valued for their money? If so that sucks!

[Outcast9428]

@Lucas88 Given that these are two posts, I apologize in advance if I forget to respond to a certain point.

I do not try to claim that all women in any certain society are one way. I make generalizations frequently because I see that certain groups of people, different races, and different countries are much more likely to behave a certain way then other people are.

I think its worth keeping in mind what kind of image you provoke in a person's mind when you say "primal masculinity." Let's say you are talking about a man like Harrison Ford's portrayal of Indiana Jones. I don't think of him as "primal masculinity." To me, he's just masculine. When you use the term "primal masculinity," my thoughts go to any type of guy who is highly aggressive, crude, ape-like in his mentality, and wants to sleep with dozens or hundreds of girls. Call it "macho," or whatever. There's definitely an interpretation of how to be masculine out there that's harmful. Let's go back to the Indiana Jones type character. As long as he's monogamous, he's cool with me. No problem with him. But you seem to go back and forth. Sometimes it sounds like you talking about a gentlemanly type of masculinity, like Indiana Jones... And other times, it sounds like you're talking about frat boy or hood nigga behavior.

I'm not saying a girl having a big butt makes her morally inferior. I'm just saying I'm not attracted to them. And girls with large butts do tend to be involved with frat boy and hood nigga types more often. Although that could be because those types of guys tend to like them more often. Either way, there's definitely more of a compatibility there.

I'm not as unrealistic about Japan as you think I am. Japan has, for quite awhile, been a traditional nation that's kind of failing at its own objective if that makes any sense. Not when it comes to the sexual issues. Japan is still very conservative on moral issues. But yes, Japanese society is definitely too focused on work. I think calling it a dystopia is too harsh. I would probably like it better then where I am. But its not my ideal society. I think it has all the foundations for my ideal society but it isn't there as of right now. That's why I talk about Thailand and the Philippines more. They are closer to my ideal society.

I don't know what you would categorize this as. I don't know if you consider it masculine, beta, alpha, or what. But my image of how men should act, in many ways, is basically behaving like a Shakespeare character . I think part of the reason some girls like the more sensitive kind of Latino men is because sensitive Latino men do act that way. Italian and French guys have a bit of a reputation for that too. A lot of Filipino and Thai guys seem to act that way towards girls too.

The Japanese guys would probably never have to worry about a sexless marriage again if they approached romantic relationships like Shakespeare characters do. If they acted like the male lead from "Crazy Rich Asians" they'd be fine. In my experience, Asian girls, more so then any other girls except maybe Latina girls from actual Latin American countries (not US latinas) seem to really love displays of romanticism that would be regarded as embarrassing by most modern, Western women. When Asian girls idolize the West, I notice they always seem attracted to or love the really old Western values. Their image of "Western men" is more like how men behaved in the 1800s then how Western men behave today. They seem particularly fascinated with the Victorian England aesthetic. If a guy in America acted like a guy from the 1800s, he'd be considered a dork but Asian girls really eat that up. I think the Japanese women just want their men to be more expressive about their affection. If a man in Japan is expressive with his affection, morally virtuous, and has money, he's set. His girl will never leave him.

I've never met an Asian girl who wasn't dating a nerdy or boy next door type guy. Even one Asian girl I knew back in college who was aggressively Westernized (her favorite music genres were Rap and EDM) was still attracted almost exclusively to nerdy guys. I had an Asian therapist back in college, also dating an anime nerd. My ex obviously dated me and several other guys in her past who were like me. I had a really strong friendship for a little while with another Asian girl who was also dating a nerdy guy. My brother's longest relationship was with an Asian girl. I met a Korean couple that my grandparents knew, same type of pairing. In college, an actual Japanese girl actually asked for my phone number and even asked me out on a date. Whenever I see Asian girls walking with a guy, he always seems to be the same type of guy.

One thing I do think separates White nerds from Asian nerds, is that White nerds do, as I mentioned, actually do tend to act like Shakespeare characters in relationships . We are usually too over the top with our affection and romantic displays for White girls and they see us as needy, beta, or annoying because of that. Most of the time Japanese girls date White guys, they date a guy who is constantly complimenting her, saying romantic things, touching her and playing with her hair... Stuff like that. Most White guys in America don't act this way, but White nerds specifically really do act like the overly romantic and expressive Romeos that Japanese girls tend to like.

I also find that Asian girls are much much more tolerant of you being shy and reserved early in the relationship. But they do want the more expressive, affectionate side to come out at some point.

Japanese guys are done for, they're too busy getting off to self defeat pornography these days right up there with the self hating white boys of the West that introduced them to it. And they don't even try to improve themselves, they just look for more and more shitty ways to defeat themselves. Plus it's only the young girls that are drawn to all that victorian like stuff. I doubt older Japanese women are into that. Ever since all the Kawaii little girl stuff took over that country it really crippled them. Fast forward to 2020 now you got Japanese guys over on Pixiv creating artistic porn involving Japanese women with Queen of Spade symbolism all over them. It won't be long before all the white men in Japan start doing the same shit the white dudes in America is doing. "hey baby, can I watch you f**k a black man? And will you get a QOS on your ass for me too?" I can definately see shit like that happening if they keep importing them weak ass white boys over there.

Hey buddy, say what you will about interracial porn but leave Kawaii culture alone . Kawaii culture is, without a doubt, the best thing that has ever come out of Japan.

According to Pornhub's 2021, insights... It doesn't seem that interracial porn is popular at all in Japan...



The top search term is, in-fact, Japanese

Its extremely popular in the US though...

[Outcast9428]

Are US-born Asian women really nearly all in relationships with nerds or do nerdy men just notice Asian girl - White nerd relationships more due to their own identification with the concept? I doubt that it's nearly all nerds. I'm sure that there are also quite a few Asian girls with normal or masculine guys even if they are as a group more willing to date nerdy guys.

I'm not a "nerdy guy" and have never in my life been described as such. I'm fairly tall, well-built and have a large bone structure, I'm not skinny, bespectacled, socially awkward or what-have-you and I know of several men on this forum with Asian spouses or girlfriends who are not "nerdy guys" either. Publicduende is not a nerdy guy, nor is WillNDowd, nor were former posters Pete, OutWest or Davewe who married Asian ladies. I am not sure of "Rock" but he didn't strike me as a nerd, just a corporate type, like a businessman sort of figure I think, from how I heard him be described. Then there's the late, great Jester; definitely a unique fellow, but "nerd" is not how I would describe him: he was a large, tall and erudite Armenian-American and his off-and-on-screen persona weren't 'nerdy' in the slightest. Hell, even Winston, for all his quirks, isn't a stereotypical "nerd" I would say... he's far too complex to catch in one easy description, haha.

I've had some Asian girls in the past tell me they were initially reluctant to date me because I was "too good-looking" and they expected me to be a flirt or a "chickboy" and prone to cheating as a result.

So perhaps some Asian girls would go for a "safer" option of a man who is a little less-good-looking. But that does not necessary translate into "girls prefer nerds" I mean, I recall Winston once mentioned that WillNDowd used to do modeling in his younger years. I myself did too when I was around 18/19. So yeah the "preferring nerds" thing isn't really something I have perceived to be true.

Hell, back in my home country I recall this very masculine dude who married a tiny Filipina lady. He was as pale and buff as she was tiny and brown, a strong drinker, loud and rowdy talker and a very dominant executive type of guy. And make no mistake, I've seen my fair share of orc-looking men or socially awkward nerds with Asian girls, too, but it's far from 'the rule' as far as I can tell.

You have a much stricter definition of looking or seeming nerdy then I do. There are good looking nerds you know... My ex told me she had a huge crush on Toby Maguire when she was in middle school. He is a quintessential nerdy looking guy.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Lucas88 Given that these are two posts, I apologize in advance if I forget to respond to a certain point.

I do not try to claim that all women in any certain society are one way. I make generalizations frequently because I see that certain groups of people, different races, and different countries are much more likely to behave a certain way then other people are.

I think its worth keeping in mind what kind of image you provoke in a person's mind when you say "primal masculinity." Let's say you are talking about a man like Harrison Ford's portrayal of Indiana Jones. I don't think of him as "primal masculinity." To me, he's just masculine. When you use the term "primal masculinity," my thoughts go to any type of guy who is highly aggressive, crude, ape-like in his mentality, and wants to sleep with dozens or hundreds of girls. Call it "macho," or whatever. There's definitely an interpretation of how to be masculine out there that's harmful. Let's go back to the Indiana Jones type character. As long as he's monogamous, he's cool with me. No problem with him. But you seem to go back and forth. Sometimes it sounds like you talking about a gentlemanly type of masculinity, like Indiana Jones... And other times, it sounds like you're talking about frat boy or hood nigga behavior.

I'm not saying a girl having a big butt makes her morally inferior. I'm just saying I'm not attracted to them. And girls with large butts do tend to be involved with frat boy and hood nigga types more often. Although that could be because those types of guys tend to like them more often. Either way, there's definitely more of a compatibility there.

I'm not as unrealistic about Japan as you think I am. Japan has, for quite awhile, been a traditional nation that's kind of failing at its own objective if that makes any sense. Not when it comes to the sexual issues. Japan is still very conservative on moral issues. But yes, Japanese society is definitely too focused on work. I think calling it a dystopia is too harsh. I would probably like it better then where I am. But its not my ideal society. I think it has all the foundations for my ideal society but it isn't there as of right now. That's why I talk about Thailand and the Philippines more. They are closer to my ideal society.

I don't know what you would categorize this as. I don't know if you consider it masculine, beta, alpha, or what. But my image of how men should act, in many ways, is basically behaving like a Shakespeare character . I think part of the reason some girls like the more sensitive kind of Latino men is because sensitive Latino men do act that way. Italian and French guys have a bit of a reputation for that too. A lot of Filipino and Thai guys seem to act that way towards girls too.

The Japanese guys would probably never have to worry about a sexless marriage again if they approached romantic relationships like Shakespeare characters do. If they acted like the male lead from "Crazy Rich Asians" they'd be fine. In my experience, Asian girls, more so then any other girls except maybe Latina girls from actual Latin American countries (not US latinas) seem to really love displays of romanticism that would be regarded as embarrassing by most modern, Western women. When Asian girls idolize the West, I notice they always seem attracted to or love the really old Western values. Their image of "Western men" is more like how men behaved in the 1800s then how Western men behave today. They seem particularly fascinated with the Victorian England aesthetic. If a guy in America acted like a guy from the 1800s, he'd be considered a dork but Asian girls really eat that up. I think the Japanese women just want their men to be more expressive about their affection. If a man in Japan is expressive with his affection, morally virtuous, and has money, he's set. His girl will never leave him.

I've never met an Asian girl who wasn't dating a nerdy or boy next door type guy. Even one Asian girl I knew back in college who was aggressively Westernized (her favorite music genres were Rap and EDM) was still attracted almost exclusively to nerdy guys. I had an Asian therapist back in college, also dating an anime nerd. My ex obviously dated me and several other guys in her past who were like me. I had a really strong friendship for a little while with another Asian girl who was also dating a nerdy guy. My brother's longest relationship was with an Asian girl. I met a Korean couple that my grandparents knew, same type of pairing. In college, an actual Japanese girl actually asked for my phone number and even asked me out on a date. Whenever I see Asian girls walking with a guy, he always seems to be the same type of guy.

One thing I do think separates White nerds from Asian nerds, is that White nerds do, as I mentioned, actually do tend to act like Shakespeare characters in relationships . We are usually too over the top with our affection and romantic displays for White girls and they see us as needy, beta, or annoying because of that. Most of the time Japanese girls date White guys, they date a guy who is constantly complimenting her, saying romantic things, touching her and playing with her hair... Stuff like that. Most White guys in America don't act this way, but White nerds specifically really do act like the overly romantic and expressive Romeos that Japanese girls tend to like.

I also find that Asian girls are much much more tolerant of you being shy and reserved early in the relationship. But they do want the more expressive, affectionate side to come out at some point.

Japanese guys are done for, they're too busy getting off to self defeat pornography these days right up there with the self hating white boys of the West that introduced them to it. And they don't even try to improve themselves, they just look for more and more shitty ways to defeat themselves. Plus it's only the young girls that are drawn to all that victorian like stuff. I doubt older Japanese women are into that. Ever since all the Kawaii little girl stuff took over that country it really crippled them. Fast forward to 2020 now you got Japanese guys over on Pixiv creating artistic porn involving Japanese women with Queen of Spade symbolism all over them. It won't be long before all the white men in Japan start doing the same shit the white dudes in America is doing. "hey baby, can I watch you f**k a black man? And will you get a QOS on your ass for me too?" I can definately see shit like that happening if they keep importing them weak ass white boys over there.

Hey buddy, say what you will about interracial porn but leave Kawaii culture alone . Kawaii culture is, without a doubt, the best thing that has ever come out of Japan.

According to Pornhub's 2021, insights... It doesn't seem that interracial porn is popular at all in Japan...



The top search term is, in-fact, Japanese

Its extremely popular in the US though...

Well maybe not the real stuff, but I'm talking about the art I've been seeing them produce lately. I see a lot of them doing interracial themes, and they make the black males look exactly like the ones in Blacked. All gay and extremely muscular. I swear men that look like that come off as hardcore gay to me. Never in all my life did I ever want to look like those men. If I did get into any type of shape I'd rather have Bruce Lee's body vs looking like a guy who has downlow sex while pretending to still be straight. Anyway Im done ranting for the night. I'm tired as hell and I get crazy when I feel like this.

[Outcast9428]

I've never met an Asian girl who wasn't dating a nerdy or boy next door type guy. Even one Asian girl I knew back in college who was aggressively Westernized (her favorite music genres were Rap and EDM) was still attracted almost exclusively to nerdy guys. I had an Asian therapist back in college, also dating an anime nerd. My ex obviously dated me and several other guys in her past who were like me. I had a really strong friendship for a little while with another Asian girl who was also dating a nerdy guy. My brother's longest relationship was with an Asian girl. I met a Korean couple that my grandparents knew, same type of pairing. In college, an actual Japanese girl actually asked for my phone number and even asked me out on a date. Whenever I see Asian girls walking with a guy, he always seems to be the same type of guy.

Maybe it's an American thing. But then again I've heard a lot of American military dudes ended up marrying Filipinas, or Vietnamese girls or Japanese ladies, girls from whatever area their military base was located, they would met wherever they're stationed and take the girl home after the end of their service, it's historically been "a thing". And the first thing I think of when I hear the word "military" certainly isn't 'nerdy dudes' lol.

Not to mention the fact that I, myself, am currently on my second Asian spouse. I've never in my life been described as 'nerdy looking' nor are my interests nerdy, and my personality doesn't quite allign with it. I'm more of a regular Joe type of guy when it comes to conversations, the way I carry myself. I don't walk around like I own the place but "nerd" would be the last thing on someone's mind if they encountered me. Some people just ooze with this "gamer/card game enthusiast" vibe, it's something about the way a man looks, I suppose. I don't have that. And while I have certainly encountered my fair share of such men with Asian girls, a larger percentage than with other races, I wouldn't say its "the norm" either. There's quite a bit of variety when it comes to men dating Asian ladies.

I actually do think you look kind of nerdy. You definitely look like somebody who would play Dungeons and Dragons or Magic The Gathering. There are different flavors of nerd. You look more like the DnD and Magic type of nerd. My brother in law is ultra nerdy but he also kind of looks like a Viking and his big thing is DnD and Magic. Although he likes video games a lot too.

Maybe Europeans have a much stricter definition of nerd then Americans do? My tour guide in Hungary didn't think he looked or seemed nerdy just because he was extroverted but I thought he seemed pretty nerdy. I mean, liking anime I think automatically puts you in the nerd category. I really don't know why you don't think Winston is nerdy .

I remember a big part of this article was about the writer essentially saying "nerdy guys do great in Asia." https://vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

[Outcast9428]

@WanderingProtagonist They probably are gay... No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dude's body. The Japanese are almost hilarious about that. I've seen some videos where the guy doesn't even have a face. Some visual novels I've read even give you an option to mute male voices during sex scenes. I imagine what you are seeing is a fairly fringe group of people.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@WanderingProtagonist They probably are gay... No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dude's body. The Japanese are almost hilarious about that. I've seen some videos where the guy doesn't even have a face. Some visual novels I've read even give you an option to mute male voices during sex scenes. I imagine what you are seeing is a fairly fringe group of people.

THANK YOU! lol at least you said it! "No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dudes body" And that's exactly what they do to! They aren't just gay but self defeating at the same time about it because they have this inferiority complex issue going on with themselves. I dont know I hardly bother with such sites anymore. Now I just watch movies or watch classic cartoons from the past to kill time. I rarely if ever bother with porn even if i do bring it up often. I do it because the 2020s is the era I feel like I'm slowly losing interest with the stuff. I tried to shorten my first post, but you already replied to it before I could fix it. sometimes I hate it when I sound like a lunatic on here when I post.

[Outcast9428]

@WanderingProtagonist They probably are gay... No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dude's body. The Japanese are almost hilarious about that. I've seen some videos where the guy doesn't even have a face. Some visual novels I've read even give you an option to mute male voices during sex scenes. I imagine what you are seeing is a fairly fringe group of people.

THANK YOU! lol at least you said it! "No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dudes body" And that's exactly what they do to! They aren't just gay but self defeating at the same time about it because they have this inferiority complex issue going on with themselves. I dont know I hardly bother with such sites anymore. Now I just watch movies or watch classic cartoons from the past to kill time. I rarely if ever bother with porn even if i do bring it up often. I do it because the 2020s is the era I feel like I'm slowly losing interest with the stuff. I tried to shorten my first post, but you already replied to it before I could fix it. sometimes I hate it when I sound like a lunatic on here when I post.

Hey I probably sound like a lunatic to a lot of people too. What with my extreme love of and passion for Asian girls .

I respect Asian guys too though. They were the ones who built Asian civilization and made it into what it was. Asia wouldn't be the place that it is without Asian guys having made it that way. And the girls from Asia wouldn't be the way they are if Asian guys hadn't bred with girls like that for hundreds of years. It really pisses me off when White guys act "triumphant" over Asian guys. Yes I do want an Asian wife, but I want to feel like I earned the right to her hand in marriage by the standards and rules of Asian civilization. I feel like any white guy who tries to marry an Asian girl should do the same thing. I certainly don't blame any guy for wanting an Asian wife. Their cuteness, the warmth/energy they exude, and their beauty almost feels magical. But if you want an Asian wife, obey the rules of Asian civilization and earn the locals' respect before trying to marry one of their women.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@WanderingProtagonist They probably are gay... No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dude's body. The Japanese are almost hilarious about that. I've seen some videos where the guy doesn't even have a face. Some visual novels I've read even give you an option to mute male voices during sex scenes. I imagine what you are seeing is a fairly fringe group of people.

THANK YOU! lol at least you said it! "No straight guy drawing porn is going to put much detail into the dudes body" And that's exactly what they do to! They aren't just gay but self defeating at the same time about it because they have this inferiority complex issue going on with themselves. I dont know I hardly bother with such sites anymore. Now I just watch movies or watch classic cartoons from the past to kill time. I rarely if ever bother with porn even if i do bring it up often. I do it because the 2020s is the era I feel like I'm slowly losing interest with the stuff. I tried to shorten my first post, but you already replied to it before I could fix it. sometimes I hate it when I sound like a lunatic on here when I post.

Hey I probably sound like a lunatic to a lot of people too. What with my extreme love of and passion for Asian girls .

I respect Asian guys too though. They were the ones who built Asian civilization and made it into what it was. Asia wouldn't be the place that it is without Asian guys having made it that way. And the girls from Asia wouldn't be the way they are if Asian guys hadn't bred with girls like that for hundreds of years. It really pisses me off when White guys act "triumphant" over Asian guys. Yes I do want an Asian wife, but I want to feel like I earned the right to her hand in marriage by the standards and rules of Asian civilization. I feel like any white guy who tries to marry an Asian girl should do the same thing. I certainly don't blame any guy for wanting an Asian wife. Their cuteness, the warmth/energy they exude, and their beauty almost feels magical. But if you want an Asian wife, obey the rules of Asian civilization and earn the locals' respect before trying to marry one of their women.

Nevermind that link Well I don't have any interest in them to be honest. I'm at the point where I've given up on pursuing a love life of any kind. I have taken other alternatives when all else failed to fill in the void. But I had no luck there either because I still reside in the West. And things here require a lot more work in order to be possible. Achieving happiness is one of those things.

[Cornfed]

To a degree its not untrue to suggest that a man is essentially a sex object to certain modern women. In my wilder days there have been times when I felt I was little more than a walking dildo to some girls. Likewise, some men are seen only as walking wallets. This is not ideal but it ultimately is, what it is.

Sex appeal, height, fitness, penis size, facial aesthetics, stamina, performance all come into play especially when hookups are involved.

Of course it is possible for females to find men physically attractive, but this is not the direct basis for viable long term relationships or the functioning of society. Just as the physical attractiveness of females to normal men is a proxy measure of being able to produce healthy children whether or not that is what you immediately want, male physical attractiveness in a normal society is a proxy measure of having or being able to acquire resources.

Since the regime has usurped the role of men, it is natural that men should turn into women in some way by either becoming gay or essentially busking for sex or whatever, but there is no need to rationalise this as a positive. Lets be honest and see it as the disaster that it is.

[Outcast9428]

I actually do think you look kind of nerdy. You definitely look like somebody who would play Dungeons and Dragons or Magic The Gathering. There are different flavors of nerd. You look more like the DnD and Magic type of nerd. My brother in law is ultra nerdy but he also kind of looks like a Viking and his big thing is DnD and Magic. Although he likes video games a lot too.

Maybe Europeans have a much stricter definition of nerd then Americans do? My tour guide in Hungary didn't think he looked or seemed nerdy just because he was extroverted but I thought he seemed pretty nerdy. I mean, liking anime I think automatically puts you in the nerd category.

Maybe the Hungarian fellow and I, being Europeans, just have different notions of what the term means lol. It's definitely a first for me to be called that way. The whole "looking like a Viking and still being a nerd" thing is a bit of a cognitive disconnect for me lol. But then again I recall my brother, a weightlifter, once telling me that Henry Cavill, the super buff dude who plays Superman, likes to "build computers" and this made my brother "embrace his inner nerd" as he, too, likes to build computers and enjoys Sci-Fi.

I never really liked anime much, though. I watched Dragon Ball-Z as a kid and that's about it lol. Never liked Star Wars or Star Trek, never got into Sci-Fi (the closest thing to it I enjoy is this show called Black Mirror which has some elements of it) and I wasn't a gamer either growing up; I was into karate and wrestling as a teenager and spent most of my days outside whenever the weather would allow it. In my college days I was more or less just another obnoxious frat boy type for the most part, beers, bars, girls, mindless hedonism. The appeal of it quickly wore off to me but for a while I'd say I blended in rather perfectly.

The "nerdiest" quality I have is that I'm somewhat of a history buff. I've always been big-time into historical things, in particular anything to do with ancient Rome and antiquity, but also medieval history; I'd absolutely devour that stuff, all the dynastic strife, the intrigue... not something I can really talk about with most people so few opportunities to 'nerd out' over it lol.

It’s a bit of a strange combination but he definitely does look that way. Think very tall, red hair, red beard, medium build, and wears glasses.

I’d say watching anime is the nerdiest thing I do. I also love historical video games. I do like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings a lot. I watch a ton of movies in general. Not to mention my obsession with researching things and gathering data/statistics that I can recite from memory in casual conversation.

[Outcast9428]

I actually do think you look kind of nerdy. You definitely look like somebody who would play Dungeons and Dragons or Magic The Gathering. There are different flavors of nerd. You look more like the DnD and Magic type of nerd. My brother in law is ultra nerdy but he also kind of looks like a Viking and his big thing is DnD and Magic. Although he likes video games a lot too.

Maybe Europeans have a much stricter definition of nerd then Americans do? My tour guide in Hungary didn't think he looked or seemed nerdy just because he was extroverted but I thought he seemed pretty nerdy. I mean, liking anime I think automatically puts you in the nerd category.

Maybe the Hungarian fellow and I, being Europeans, just have different notions of what the term means lol. It's definitely a first for me to be called that way. The whole "looking like a Viking and still being a nerd" thing is a bit of a cognitive disconnect for me lol. But then again I recall my brother, a weightlifter, once telling me that Henry Cavill, the super buff dude who plays Superman, likes to "build computers" and this made my brother "embrace his inner nerd" as he, too, likes to build computers and enjoys Sci-Fi.

I never really liked anime much, though. I watched Dragon Ball-Z as a kid and that's about it lol. Never liked Star Wars or Star Trek, never got into Sci-Fi (the closest thing to it I enjoy is this show called Black Mirror which has some elements of it) and I wasn't a gamer either growing up; I was into karate and wrestling as a teenager and spent most of my days outside whenever the weather would allow it. In my college days I was more or less just another obnoxious frat boy type for the most part, beers, bars, girls, mindless hedonism. The appeal of it quickly wore off to me but for a while I'd say I blended in rather perfectly.

The "nerdiest" quality I have is that I'm somewhat of a history buff. I've always been big-time into historical things, in particular anything to do with ancient Rome and antiquity, but also medieval history; I'd absolutely devour that stuff, all the dynastic strife, the intrigue... not something I can really talk about with most people so few opportunities to 'nerd out' over it lol.

It’s a bit of a strange combination but he definitely does look that way. Think very tall, red hair, red beard, medium build, and wears glasses.

I’d say watching anime is the nerdiest thing I do. I also love historical video games. I do like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings a lot. I watch a ton of movies in general. Not to mention my obsession with researching things and gathering data/statistics that I can recite from memory in casual conversation.

I adored LotR and all things Tolkien as a kid but I'd argue this is fairly common for young boys who were around when those films first came out? I never got the appeal of Star Wars; it always struck me as a rather corny muppets in space sort of deal with little green guy fumbling his lines somehow being regarded as the epitome of humor. The best thing Spielberg and Lucas ever did was the first three Indiana Jones films IMO. They were golden. Especially when Sir Sean Connery showed up in the third, who looks exactly like my grandfather.

Surprisingly, I don't like the original films or the new films much for the Star Wars franchise. But I adore the universe as a whole. I like the TV shows and the books a lot better then I like the movies. Mandalorian is a masterpiece of a TV show. One of my favorite live action TV shows of all time. Absolutely incredible. I liked the Clone Wars show a lot too. Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi were pretty good too although not as good as Mandalorian.

Also, Star Wars Battlefront 1. The very first one. One of the best video games ever made. I think that video game is really what made me love the Star Wars universe as odd as that sounds. I love how in-depth and extensive the Star Wars expanded universe is as well. There's so much detail and stuff to learn about it. The history of it stretches over tens of thousands of years, it covers numerous different eras that had completely different political situations going on. Learning how the Sith evolved from a species of aliens, to an empire that had hundreds of thousands of Sith warriors, and then were reduced to the rule of two, which initially made them seem weak but ultimately ushered in the most level of power the Sith ever had in Galactic history with the Empire. Certain planets have crazy social systems too. Coruscant for example, is a planet with a city covering the entire surface. That's not even close to how big it is though. Below the surface are approximately 5,000 levels to the city. Each level represents an entire surface of cityscape. So each level is not just like the floor of an office building, each level is another full blown city covering the entire planet.

That is, except for the very very bottom ones. Each level of Coruscant is dirtier, poorer, more disease ridden, more crime, more dangerous creatures lurking the streets, more dystopian basically. The very very bottom levels are uninhabitable because pollution from all the levels above it have made it impossible to live down there.

The thing that's unique about Star Wars is that there's literally infinite possibilities all in one sci-fi world. For decades, George Lucas would let anyone write a Star Wars book and it was automatically canon. This allowed a tremendous amount of lore and creativity to thrive. For me, the Star Wars universe represents infinite possibilities. You can make any planet, any social system no matter how crazy it sounds, design any battle scenario, any alien species you want, and use any storyline you want because the galaxy is so big, that you can do anything with it and no one can say it feels unrealistic or impossible.

The reason I don't like the movies is because they don't use that potential. You don't get Star Wars movies about life in the underworld of Coruscant or Nar Shaddaa, nor do you get movies about people working in some of the industrial hell planets where the galaxy drops off all its trash/waste, or horror movies like some of the books I read which include an amusement park with a nightmare machine that makes all its visitors live through their worst fears, or a space cruise that a creepy monster of some kind gets on board, or a prison that hosts gladiator combat that sketchy rich people gamble on but has a horrific, alien monstrosity creeping around the lower decks, haunting the prison. Its all concentrated so much around the original characters and I wish they'd just move on from them to be honest. Stop using the same playbook, for the love of God come up with something new, there's so many possibilities. That's why I liked Mandalorian so much was because it was Star Wars but it didn't try to use the same damn playbook. Mandalorian is more world building and focuses on somebody who's really just an normal guy trying to get by in the galaxy.

[WilliamSmith]

...alpha males like my uncle who are desirable for other reasons such as primal masculinity and an above average male physique that get many females wet on the most primal level as well as unusual charm, charisma and a fun-loving vibe.

It shows how feminised Western men really are that you would unironically conflate being kept around for some woman's amusement with being "alpha".

He and William Smith and PUAs all make this mistake, of thinking the man's role is to be the sex object, and that gigolos and pimps are the pinnacle of masculinity, versus military officers, leading scientists and businessmen, etc. When I was a little boomer, heterosexual boys aspired to be astronauts, now they all want to be male beauty pageant contestants like Cornfed.

No, I wasn't arguing being a "boytoy" like Cornfed keeps saying was ever "alpha" or the primary solution (nor a gigolo, nor a pimp who are people I personally dislike as a general thing), but Cornfed's just bullshitting and doesn't actually even mean most of the silly shit he says like how having women think you're a stud in bed constitutes being "feminized."

Being a real man who's in charge of his own destiny and then being able to charm the pants off women so they can come along for his ride, but never letting them betaify him and end up wearing the pants in the relationship, is a more general rule.
What a man's goals are can vary widely, all the old-fashioned virtuous undertakings you mentioned are fine.

My personal preference for sex-mania isn't the same as saying that's the top thing, that's just my own thing because of being more or less womanaholic and obsessed with women, but that's just me, not what I was saying the ideal alpha male should aspire to.

Cornfed and other religious trapill's BS about how being primally appealing to women constitutes being "feminized" is just because of the massive chip on their shoulders from their jew bullshit slave religions putting the fantasy in their heads they can have women distributed like vending machine items by some kind of theocracy or authoritarian regime. In Cornfed's case he outright tells us in another thread that a supposed "traditional" society would distribute one virginal wife for a man's breeding purposes, while they then pen the other women up in brothels so the men can enjoy sexual variety for their own entertainment, and this they claim is their concept of a healthy "traditional" society.

As for all the manginosphere betas saying "women have all the power", they are completely full of it also, and are just venting a river of tears over their frustration because they don't want to put in the effort to learn how to lead the women.
Reality: Women have no power over us men unless the men let them get it, even in Western societies.

Some caveats are 100% important for men to know about, like not being the kind of guy who builds a 6-figure income in a business working 70 hours a week and then letting your Karen wife make off with more than half your income and financial assets, but besides not marrying Karens or other gold-diggers to begin with, men can guard against that with prenuptial contracts and asset protection programs too.
So there's not a single area where the "Women have all the power" complaint really is on the mark, even though men who were too naive about handling the women certainly have plenty of horror stories, but that's just because they were too naive and didn't do enough study and planning.

[WilliamSmith]

The girls you go for are not going to be more loyal or faithful.

Discussion welcomed as always, but this statement doesn't make sense, because all I said was my strongly held opinion that you should deliberately screen out gold-diggers. However, screening out gold-diggers literally leaves the field wide open to all sorts of women of all races and nationalities, including women who are extremely fastidious about monogamous marriage and so on. There is no correlation at all between sluttiness (which I don't mind personally, but I can understand why you don't want a future wife of yours and mother of your children to have an extensive sexual "history"), and screening out gold-diggers. Also a lot of gold-diggers are also total sluts but they'll snag a beta male provider for a husband so they can spend his money and then spend all their time cheating on him behind his back, and still come away with his money and assets after a divorce unless he protected himself with an enforceable contract.

Primal masculinity is attractive, more so then to any other kind of girl, to flighty, novelty seeking women who crave what's "exciting" more then anything.

That's totally factually incorrect: Primal masculinity is universally attractive to ALL women, of all races, period. They will often simply lack the ability to get a man who has it to begin with, hence settle for others, and also many women will settle for less on the primal masculinity side because they feel certain other qualities in the man are more important, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't want the man they consider a good LTR/marriage catch to have primal masculine appeal, they just usually settle.
But even a lot of the married women who keep the faith and don't cheat are into stuff like bodice ripper romance novels where it's always a bunch of primal masculine leading men they're fantasizing about and yearning for on some level even if they don't consider their marriage unhappy, so in theory if they got a traditional type husband they wanted who had primal masculine appeal as well as being a fit with her traditional side, he'd be the top pick by far. (In addition to the bodice ripper novels proving my point, this is also why there's so many legions of lonely churchgoing black women pining away for Denzel Washington, by the way, LOL.)

No matter how well you think you are doing, with these type of women, the clock is always ticking because they are easily bored and will eventually move on to something new. To those girls, you may have been the most delicious pizza on Earth when they first met you but eventually eating you every day made them get tired of you. I don't think you would even deny that the girls, at least that WilliamSmith is with, are not traditional, stay with one man your whole life type girls.

The kind of girls who sleep with a guy who makes no money but has primal attraction are the type of girls who will bang another guy as soon as somebody who can provide her more thrills comes along.

What you said there could theoretically be partly true of women who are really easy to get into bed fast (e.g. first date sex) about how they might very well have sex with other guys too later (though not always), but about gold-diggers you've already proven yourself wrong otherwise by pointing out the fact that tons of gold-diggers who their beta provider husbands delusionally imagine are going to stick around dump and divorce their husbands if they end up earning more. So the husbands trying to use women to attract women are clueless because they didn't realize that it was only the money and not the man the women were attracted to, which proves why attracting gold-diggers DOESN'T attract a better and more reliable monogamous class of woman, it just attracts gold-diggers who will select a man for money rather than more genuine attraction. If it attracted a more reliable class of woman, then they wouldn't dump and divorce their beta provider husbands after they lose money, or even after they are simply earning less. You also wildly underestimate how many gold-diggers constantly cheat on their husband, and naively believe things like lying face-saving Asians responding to voluntary response based surveys where they don't actually tell the truth about what they actually think and about what they actually do in their private sex lives.

My strategy may attract girls with gold digger tendencies. Not blatant gold diggers, but a girl who has some gold digger tendencies, yeah my strategy probably attracts those types... But hey, girls like that will show loyalty, stick around for you, and pretty much do whatever you want them to do if you give them what they want. The girls y'all are talking about? hell no, those girls are the least loyal girls on Earth. Y'all's women put our "gold diggers" to shame.

Hey I'm not trying to be insulting, but I don't even know whether to laugh or cry at this point: Correct me if I remembered this totally wrong somehow, but as I recall, YOU TOLD US YOURSELF already that you wasted tons of money buying your Asian girlfriend with gold-digger tendencies various cute outfits and stuff based on your iffy belief that the girls will show you loyalty and stick around if you spend money on them, then even though your Mom told you not to spend on her, then she broke up with you anyway and told you outright that she didn't want to get back together because you didn't make enough money...
But you're also making a mistake in assuming that the type of girls @Lucas88 or I (or possibly @MarcusZeitola) but I don't know if revealing his income was ever a factor for him, even though he seems to agree it's better to get in relationships with women who are actually genuinely attracted to you) can get are less loyal, or necessarily more promiscuous, which isn't necessarily the case at all:
From what I've seen, all have had women staying for a much longer period of time when there was some kind of a relationship going on, hence some of the women we get cannot be said to be less loyal, and the sluttiness factor is a third variable. Also, Lucas88 told us he likes gym-maxxing and got into giving his Latina massive orgasms, but it was actually his choice to be non-monogamous, not hers (i.e. after he went way more alpha on her and started taking the lead, when previously he'd been having problems with her I believe he told us).
Also, an approach of being more charming or internally attractive to women (with or without screening out gold-diggers) definitely doesn't attract just one "type" at all, and certainly doesn't attract sluttier types only.
The fact I admittedly also like women who the trolls might call a bit "ghetto" and not mind easy women in general is also a separate issue, but it's simply not the case that those are the type who gets attracted to a more direct masculine approach + screening out gold-diggers.

When it comes to moving from the attraction and romance phase all the way over into a potential marriage, then working out all your stuff about a joint financial future (which in my case means a bulletproof prenuptial contract and separation of assets if I ever actually got married) becomes relevant, so if a man has no money at all or is dependent on the woman (or buried in onerous debt) that could be relevant to the woman about whether she wants to marry him later on in the relationship, but that's all vastly different from actually trying to attract women directly showing off the amount of money you make (which, as I've mentioned, I see as a lethal error which will attract gold-diggers who may be even worse disloyal cheaters than the types of girls who will go for a man based on romance and real attraction).

Well this got pretty long so the other interesting points I'll get to in a new post.

[Lucas88]

I do not try to claim that all women in any certain society are one way. I make generalizations frequently because I see that certain groups of people, different races, and different countries are much more likely to behave a certain way then other people are.

There is nothing wrong with generalizations per se, and well-researched generalizations often hold large degrees of truth and are useful for making sense of the world, but I observe that the RedPill crowd as well as proponents of various ideologies including tradcons often make extremely simplistic generalizations with regard to how certain populations and types of people are supposed to act to the point where they barely represent reality and become nothing more than articles of faith of those ideologies' believers. I sometimes watch RedPill material on the internet with a critical eye and see this all the time.

For example - and relevant to this discussion -, RedPill content creators and others with similar ideas often assert that women only care about a man's money and resources and then talk at length about hypergamy and monkey-branching and even cite theories from evolutionary biology, but my impression from watching their videos and listening to their talking points is that those guys are mostly focusing on one kind of woman out of many - the materialistic and status-obsessed quintessential "modern woman" -, and have largely ignored any other kind of woman whose dominant patterns of behavior don't fit into their own ideological interpretation of the world. In reality, not all people are materialistic or obsessed with money or career. I know plenty of couples who do very average jobs, don't care about material luxuries or professional status, and view work simply as a chore/necessary evil for economic survival. They are usually happy to live a simple life, live for their own hobbies and interests, and love each other for reasons other than money. Not everywhere is America or East Asia. Not everybody gives a shit about the Protestant work ethic. People like this exist but the RedPill types don't talk about them. They just observe what they want to see and continue to present their own rigid ideas pertaining to human behavior as though they were universal facts. But many of their assertions as nowhere near as universal as they would like us to believe when we unplug ourselves from their ideologies and pet theories and begin to observe the real world.

Even among a single race or nationality there are many nuances and different trends. There are Black women with huge butts who are absolutely sweethearts and even listen to Tchaikovsky and hate rap music!

I think its worth keeping in mind what kind of image you provoke in a person's mind when you say "primal masculinity." Let's say you are talking about a man like Harrison Ford's portrayal of Indiana Jones. I don't think of him as "primal masculinity." To me, he's just masculine. When you use the term "primal masculinity," my thoughts go to any type of guy who is highly aggressive, crude, ape-like in his mentality, and wants to sleep with dozens or hundreds of girls. Call it "macho," or whatever. There's definitely an interpretation of how to be masculine out there that's harmful. Let's go back to the Indiana Jones type character. As long as he's monogamous, he's cool with me. No problem with him. But you seem to go back and forth. Sometimes it sounds like you talking about a gentlemanly type of masculinity, like Indiana Jones... And other times, it sounds like you're talking about frat boy or hood nigga behavior.

I think that primal masculinity is assumed to be negative because of certain misconceptions. It perturbs the nerdier types of guys because they themselves generally lack masculinity and have often had negative experiences with more masculine guys in the past. It also arouses some degree of fear in some contingents of the tradcon crowd because they associate it with chaos and see it as a potential threat to their envisioned beta provider social order (much like how religious fundamentalists fear everything outside of their own theological view of the world as "the devil"). Evidently feminists despise masculinity too for obvious reasons. Nowadays there seems to be a movement orchestrated by the elite to demonize primal masculinity and bring about the progressive feminization of men, but I digress.

No, the primal masculinity which I talk about is not the obnoxious frat boy or ghetto nigga kind of masculinity that you assume it to be. Primal masculinity is more along the lines of weight training, physical fitness, combat training, competitive sports, and other intense high-testosterone activities - all healthy and edifying endeavors. Think of the weightlifter, sports coach, martial artist or athlete - all highly attractive to women due to their peak physical condition, sexy muscular body, superior sexual stamina, and higher-than-average testosterone. These primally masculine men need not act like obnoxious thugs (i.e., defective alphas). If they have intelligence and cultivate wisdom and temperance, they can and often do use their primal masculinity for extremely productive and noble purposes such as coaching and positive sportsmanship among other things. Even the warlike primally masculine man or natural Kshatriya may use his warlikeness to protect his community from evil provided that he already possesses enough innate nobility and self-discipline. Primal masculinity isn't mindless thuggery or frat boy bullshit. It's true original masculinity that dwells latent within the depths of our primal being and can be cultivated for the purpose of good.

Women widely respond to primal masculinity because, contrary to what many simplistic ideological visions of reality claim (e.g., men just want sex and women just want resources), they are incredibly sexual beings too and are attracted to the masculine male physique on an aesthetic level. That's right, many women want sex for its own sake and enjoy male beauty for its own sake too, as @WilliamSmith has alluded to in his in-depth and insightful threads about female sexual psychology.

The cultivation of primal masculinity and a good physique is important because, for a woman to want to have sex with a man, she has to be attracted to him sexually. Most women won't be too enthusiastic about sleeping with a guy if she doesn't already like his body and physical appearance. We are the same way. No matter how wifely a woman is, no matter how good she can cook, if she's obese and physically unattractive, we don't want to sleep with her! The beta bux guys might invest a lot of time into their careers and make a lot of money, but if women don't find them physically attractive, they'll not really be into them. This is a source of frustration for many beta bux guys. But the beta bux guys are too one-dimensional and have neglected other aspects of their masculinity. They would probably do better for themselves if they stopped seeing their corporate cubicle job as a source of dignity, meaning or social validation and hit the gym, lifted some weights or took up some other kind of hypermasculine activity.

I'm not as unrealistic about Japan as you think I am. Japan has, for quite awhile, been a traditional nation that's kind of failing at its own objective if that makes any sense. Not when it comes to the sexual issues. Japan is still very conservative on moral issues. But yes, Japanese society is definitely too focused on work. I think calling it a dystopia is too harsh. I would probably like it better then where I am. But its not my ideal society. I think it has all the foundations for my ideal society but it isn't there as of right now. That's why I talk about Thailand and the Philippines more. They are closer to my ideal society.

Japan is one of the most workaholic and socially alienating industrial dystopias to ever exist, and for a Mediterranean soul like myself (I don't even consider myself an Anglo), it is a clear example of why a society which aggressively promotes beta provider masculinity and exalts earnings and professional status as the be-all end-all is a complete disaster. Japan is full of millions of stressed-out, worked-to-death, ultra-beta salarymen whose only escapism from their hellish life is to get wasted on booze with their boss and colleagues at the weekend. No wonder the younger generation of herbivore men and social dropouts don't want to follow in their fathers' footsteps. For those guys Japan sucks. It would be better for them to have been born in Spain or France. They'd probably not be incels!

I don't see why beta bux guys think they should be entitled to the pick of the best women just because they earn more money or why they think that such an ideal should be socially enforced. Sure, they are entitled to higher pay in a capitalist market economy if they work harder than others (that's only fair), but to assert that they are entitled to women or a certain type of woman just because they earn more is a stretch. Attraction doesn't work that way. Money doesn't always translate into attraction. The primal masculinity guys could just as easily argue that they've done things to earn a woman's attraction. They've usually put in the hours at the gym or whatever form of physical training they do and made themselves optimally attractive. The cultivation of primal masculinity often requires an incredibly strong work ethic and level of mental fortitude. And I still think that it's the best strategy for a guy to adopt regardless of whether he's a Casanova or strict monogamist.

I am personally distrustful of the beta provider tradcon types. I glimpse a deeper hidden motive. Since I see the world in terms of power and struggles for power, I strongly suspect that their real motive is a power grab for themselves (maybe not necessarily you, Outcast, since you seem to do well with monogamous Asian girls with high levels of sexual desire but certainly a lot of beta provider tradcon types strike me as being this way). Beta provider masculinity is their only forte and so they seek to demonize and discredit other forms of masculinity and masculine sources of attraction so as to eliminate the competition. Their desire is to create a society in which only their own strengths are acceptable and the strengths of others are unacceptable. This is their cunning strategy to gain the advantage for themselves!

[Lucas88]

Take a look at these two Japanese men with primal masculinity:




I'm sure that these two Asian dudes are not desired only for their money. The Jiujitsu dude in the blue gi is especially a manly stud. I bet plenty of Japanese women would be more than happy for him to mount them or pass their guard!