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[pete98146]

Winston...

Most guys that do well with women have a bit of "all bark and no bite" meaning they go out on a date and act cheeky, cocky, mischievous, dangerous and challenging but once the girl gets to know them they are decent guys go will treat the girl well and have a long term plan mapped out.

You almost seem to be the opposite where you are "no bark and all bite" meaning you go out with them, somehow manage to come across as a very nice, agreeable, chummy lapdog but in reality once the girl gets to know you she'll find out that you are in fact dangerous because you have a son out of wedlock, really have no interest in settling down (you say you do but we'll believe that when we see it), enjoy the P4P scene a bit too much and my guess is that you are a challenge to live with on a long term basis.

We can give you advice until we are blue in the face but IMHO, this alone will keep you stuck in dating limbo. It's an odd situation to overcome to say the least.

[smallcheese]

Yeah a Chinese woman I'm seeing told me that I should rent an apartment here to show here that I'm stable here and not a tourist. She said she'd feel more comfortable about sleeping with me if I did that. But sometimes she hints that she prefers to have sex within a marriage too.

But why did you say that I should project money and power? Come on man. Get real. I can only do that for so long. Sure I can take her to nice upscale places, and I do that of course if I really like someone. But once she knows where I"m staying, she can figure out my budget level. And no, I do not stay in $100 a night hotels. Neither does Rock or Ethan, they also stay in budget hotels. Yet they get laid.

So I see no reason why I have to be held to a higher standard. I look in the mirror and I do see an attractive handsome guy. Honestly. So I don't see why I would need to stay in $100 hotels, while Rock and Ethan stay in $20 hotels and still get laid, no problem. Don't put ridiculous standards onto me. That's lame.

The reason I suggested that is because you're not getting casual sex with normal women. What works for Rock and Ethan is not working for you. There are many men in China who throw money around and/or play up their family/business connections in order to get laid. If it's sex that you're after (and that's what you're complaining about so I'm answering your question here), that's just one technique you could try. But it attracts the gold digger types too. I think of it as an alternative to P4P because one way or another, you're paying for it. I don't know your money situation but it may not be for you. But understand that you are sometimes competing against mainland guys who actually use this technique because they have the money and influence through family/business connections.

The problem with renting an apartment is that it TIES me down in Shenzhen and restricts my movement. It's like in chess if you trap your own pieces and restrict their own mobility with no tactical advantage, then it's considered a stupid move. I have no reason to tie myself down in Shenzhen yet. So why do it? It's like getting trapped in mud with no advantage.

Me and the woman that wants me to rent an apartment are at an impasse. She won't sleep with me until I rent an apartment, and I won't rent an apartment until she sleeps with me and proves herself. So we are at an impasse or Catch 22.

I never said you should rent an apartment in Shenzhen. You should rent an apartment only AFTER you find a city or town where you find an abundance of women that you are attracted to and could see yourself marrying in the future. As I said before, you can use Shenzhen as a base of operations for now, especially since that's what you know best. But force yourself to make trips to other cities and towns. One easy way to do this is to limit the number of days you're in a specific hotel in Shenzhen. Then go to another city or town. Then after a couple of weeks or so, go back to Shenzhen which is more familiar to you and where you might have friends now that you can talk to.

Smallcheese, I asked you many questions earlier in this thread that you never addressed.

What questions are you talking about Winston? This thread is so long it's hard to keep track. I've offered you many suggestions on things you can do to improve your chances of getting laid with a normal woman but I'm not sure if it answered any of your questions.

The only question I remember answering directly is the one regarding whether or not you should stay in Shenzhen. I suggested that you could stay in Shenzhen and use it as a base of operations for the rest of China. It's a good and cheaper hub for travel within China. And you can take 1-2 week trips visiting different places in China to get a feel for the environment and women there. Once you find a place that you like, then stay there for an extended period of time so that you can do a proper search for a wife. To demonstrate to a potential wife that you're not a tourist and that you're serious about finding a wife and that you're stable, you might have to rent an apartment. Would that be so terrible if you really liked the city/town and the women that live there?

Btw, what if a Chinese woman keeps telling me that she won't sleep with me because you aren't supposed to have sex until you're married? How do I respond to that? I shouldn't have to only have sex within marriage. Other men just have to pay for dinner and they get sex. I shouldn't have to pay for an expensive wedding to have sex. No way. That's not acceptable.

Wow, you really gloss over what people write if you don't like what they say. I already gave you my answer. I even put the answer in bold. I'll repeat it here since you don't get it. Dump her and tell her exactly why you are dumping her! If a woman tells you she won't sleep with you until after you're married, get rid of the bitch and run away as fast as you can!!!!!

If a woman sees you as a potential husband, she would happily have casual sex with you first because she (like yourself) would want to know that you're sexually compatible. You are in control of your money and no woman has the right to tell you how to spend your hard earned money.

[smallcheese]

"I look in the mirror and I do see an attractive handsome guy. Honestly."

Winston Wu, April 2015
Founder of Happier Abroad

LOL!!!!!

Honestly, I do see a handsome Winston Wu in the mirror. I'm not going to lie about that.

Talking in the 3rd person now? That's not a good sign.

Winston Wu, the Chinese version of George Costanza.

[smallcheese]

But...I think there is something in your spending behavior which might put off certain girls. In the early dating phase, you might not wanna do anything that suggests being overly frugal cus it can be perceived as being stingy. If you spend to much time deciding on little things like which dish to eat or comparing prices of things to save a 10 or 20 RMB, the girls might think to themselves, wow, even I don't have to worry about that kind of small money so what's his problem. It's good to be decisive and if you hesitate and think too much when you order food or buy things at a shop, it can be irritating. I remember the Taichung girl I introduced you too but ended up ditching you told me that she felt you were very xiao qi (stingy) and too hesitant. She told me she would feel a lot more comfortable around a guy who is "at-sa-li" (a Japanese borrow word used in Taiwan which roughly translates to straightforward and easy to deal with). On the other hand, you tend to "zuan niu jiao jian" which means to waste time on an insoluble or insignificant problems. If you hesitate, move slowly, scratch your head, and argue over small issues in restaurants, or spend lots of time comparing to save a bit of money, that can really give a bad impression. When a Chinese guy gives a gift to a girl, I think he generally just gives it. He doesn't offer it as some kind of bargaining tool to get what he wants from her. Being a bit generous in the very beginning is a show of good faith. Once you guys start dating more regularly, you can explain your philosophy about saving money and being frugal. But it doesn't hurt on the first date or two to just move fast, lead, and not worry too much about how much things cost as long as you're not going to uber expensive places.

Perhaps you are not acting in the way I describe above. I just suspect that you might be cus I've seen you get in that mode before. So consider it. Also, if you're gonna spend more time in Shenzhen, perhaps you can make some more open minded male Chinese friends around your age who can act as a cultural translator to you and perhaps provide more accurate and useful information and advice.

But Rock, that example doesn't apply. I took that girl to a mall in Taichung called Chung Yo. All the jacket choices there sucked and I didn't like the styles. So I didn't buy anything, otherwise I'd just return it or regret it later. So I was unlucky to be in a mall with shitty choices. Somehow she used that against me, even though frugality wasn't the issue there. Another thing she held against me was when I was about to buy a $100 electronic dictionary, and I changed my mind later because my gut feeling told me it would be a waste of money. I decided it was better not to buy it than to buy it and regret it later. I don't know why she held that against me. It didn't make sense.

Around China women I take them to nice fancy restaurants with nice ambience and I gladly pay for dinner. How do I need to be more generous than that? Rock, you pay for dinner on dates too. Same as me. So how are you more generous than me? You don't buy expensive gifts on the first date either. So how are you any more generous than me? I pay for all the stuff I'm supposed to pay for, so how am I lacking generosity? I don't get it.

Ethan told me that a decent Chinese woman will help pay for stuff such as transportation, and help share the cost of entertainment. They won't usually let you pay 100 percent for everything like Filipinas do. A man shouldn't pay for 100 percent of everything.

This is a perfect example of why you will always fail Winston.

Rock is a person who knows you and you consider a friend. He tells you exactly why a Taiwanese woman dumped you. Instead of graciously accepting his advice based on his personal observations of you, you counter with arguments on why the Taiwanese woman was wrong!

Rock knows you better than most people on this forum and he has personally seen you in action. So he tells you that the little things that you do that might be turning women off. You give off a vibe that you're cheap and stingy and most women aren't interested in cheapskates. What are you arguing about? The woman dumped you already. And she told Rock exactly why she ditched you. Why do you have this compulsion to always be right and never admit when you might be wrong? Why can't you just shut up, be humble and contemplate thoughtful advice from a real friend?

Some people on this forum have said that you should go to Thailand or back to the Philippines and spend your money on P4P instead of looking for a Chinese wife. That might be the best advice you'll ever get on this forum.

[Banano]

Winston, serious question
Do you have some kinda of mental illness, schizo or something?

Your stubburness has no boundaries and im relating this to your mental issues you have. You seem delusional which is typical for people with scizofrenia, many people gave you some good advice and pointed out why and where you fail but you keep defending yourself.
I had a neighour who was like you, if you say sky is blue he would go on arguing that its green.

I think you said at one point that you have been diagnozed with schicofrenia when you were teenager?

[chanta76]

I seen expats in Asia that are too old , too fat with poor hygiene and what makes it worst is that they have this entitlement attitude. I think Winston is like that. I seen this behavior with other expats and I know this is like a generalize statement but they think their is nothing wrong with them and find fault with everything else.

I mean lets face facts folks maybe we are all like that to a degree. I mean many of us blame western feminist for spoiling Western women and therefore it's all western women fault or western society fault and we are guiltless. I mean come on!! If that was true all American guys couldn't get laid in the west or find love and would go abroad but in reality that's not the case. I mean let's face facts folks the average expats that choose to go abroad is not the highest quality guy.

I been reading Winston posts and threads and I find that he is extreme case of that. I also see this with Will-N-Dodd..to some degree and others. It's like they don't want to be responsible for themselves to become better but instead find excuses and blame external factors.

Winston for all purpose thinks his really a good looking guy and great catch and should be able to bed young cute 20's every night or every other night...Hmm...Will-N-dodd and others think the same but if that doesn't happen they blame the girls or society or find excuses when in reality it could be them..that's the problem but can't face the reality that there is something wrong with them and therefore decides a different location will do.

Maybe it's protective mechanism or coping mechanism for them .

Winston I tell you why your not getting laid. I mean if you think your a good looking guy and claim to have some money it doesn't make sense why you can't get laid....hmm...maybe if there is a God he put a curse on you. Maybe it is karma maybe it is your fate maybe it is Murphy law. if that is the case you can't do anything about it because this is what the big house dealt you.

I mean there is always p4p..and well you might get lucky ..but in the long run sorry buddy this is your lot in life. Maybe you did something wrong a long time ago or maybe your ancestor did..and this is your curse.

[Winston]

Update:

I'm going to dongguan tomorrow to visit Zboy1. It will be nice to get out of Shenzhen finally. Zboy1 says people are more down to earth in his town. And on ctrip the hotels there seem a lot cheaper too. Wish me luck there.

I also wrote chinese women on plenty of fish and found a lot of new ones. I got a very high response rate. So I must be considered a good catch. But mostly with 6s and 7s.

[Winston]

I'd like to hear Winston say for once, "hey you guys have valid points", "i'll try some of this".

Droid,
You must have a horrible memory. I have admitted that many guys here gave valid points.

- I said that Ethan_sg had valid points for using Shenzhen as a base of operations.
- I said that rock had valid points about why women who want a house before before giving me sex have incompatible values with me.
- I said that Smallcheese and cereal2010 had valid points about not limiting myself to Shenzhen only when there are many places in China to explore and try out. And why Shenzhen is for those into careerism and materialism.
- I said that MarcosZeitola had valid points about why I'm not compatible with Chinese women and their mentality and character and goals, and why my decision to seek a Chinese wife is illogical.

So you see, you are wrong that I don't acknowledge valid points from others. Are you so eager to blame the victim and bash me that you develop a shitty memory or cognitive dissonance to justify it? If so that's sad and looks bad.

I await your apology and admission of being wrong.

[smallcheese]

Update:

I'm going to dongguan tomorrow to visit Zboy1. It will be nice to get out of Shenzhen finally. Zboy1 says people are more down to earth in his town. And on ctrip the hotels there seem a lot cheaper too. Wish me luck there.

I also wrote chinese women on plenty of fish and found a lot of new ones. I got a very high response rate. So I must be considered a good catch. But mostly with 6s and 7s.

It's good that you're visiting another city and even better that you have Zboy1 there to guide you.

Dongguan used to have a very open sex trade but there was a major crackdown there I think, in early 2014. So now P4P is less in the open and if you're staying in a hotel, I'm pretty sure you will be asked daily if you want a girl sent to your room. It's part of the hotel service You don't need to tell anyone. The hotel manager and staff will know since you are checking in as a single. Don't be surprised if someone calls you in your room, totally out of the blue, asking if you'd like a massage.

It used to be pretty cheap but that may have changed recently. Zboy1 might have better information on how P4P works there now. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the POF women there are actually using the site to meet more clients.

Try to stay there for awhile to get a feel for the city, the environment and the women there. Good luck in your search.

[Banano]

Winston

Why you never blame your shitty genes and your parents instead of society and feminism?

Dont mean to be nasty but thats the truth, yet you think you are handsome and attractive when 99% of people think otherwise

[Winston]

But...I think there is something in your spending behavior which might put off certain girls. In the early dating phase, you might not wanna do anything that suggests being overly frugal cus it can be perceived as being stingy. If you spend to much time deciding on little things like which dish to eat or comparing prices of things to save a 10 or 20 RMB, the girls might think to themselves, wow, even I don't have to worry about that kind of small money so what's his problem. It's good to be decisive and if you hesitate and think too much when you order food or buy things at a shop, it can be irritating. I remember the Taichung girl I introduced you too but ended up ditching you told me that she felt you were very xiao qi (stingy) and too hesitant. She told me she would feel a lot more comfortable around a guy who is "at-sa-li" (a Japanese borrow word used in Taiwan which roughly translates to straightforward and easy to deal with). On the other hand, you tend to "zuan niu jiao jian" which means to waste time on an insoluble or insignificant problems. If you hesitate, move slowly, scratch your head, and argue over small issues in restaurants, or spend lots of time comparing to save a bit of money, that can really give a bad impression. When a Chinese guy gives a gift to a girl, I think he generally just gives it. He doesn't offer it as some kind of bargaining tool to get what he wants from her. Being a bit generous in the very beginning is a show of good faith. Once you guys start dating more regularly, you can explain your philosophy about saving money and being frugal. But it doesn't hurt on the first date or two to just move fast, lead, and not worry too much about how much things cost as long as you're not going to uber expensive places.

Perhaps you are not acting in the way I describe above. I just suspect that you might be cus I've seen you get in that mode before. So consider it. Also, if you're gonna spend more time in Shenzhen, perhaps you can make some more open minded male Chinese friends around your age who can act as a cultural translator to you and perhaps provide more accurate and useful information and advice.

But Rock, that example doesn't apply. I took that girl to a mall in Taichung called Chung Yo. All the jacket choices there sucked and I didn't like the styles. So I didn't buy anything, otherwise I'd just return it or regret it later. So I was unlucky to be in a mall with shitty choices. Somehow she used that against me, even though frugality wasn't the issue there. Another thing she held against me was when I was about to buy a $100 electronic dictionary, and I changed my mind later because my gut feeling told me it would be a waste of money. I decided it was better not to buy it than to buy it and regret it later. I don't know why she held that against me. It didn't make sense.

Around China women I take them to nice fancy restaurants with nice ambience and I gladly pay for dinner. How do I need to be more generous than that? Rock, you pay for dinner on dates too. Same as me. So how are you more generous than me? You don't buy expensive gifts on the first date either. So how are you any more generous than me? I pay for all the stuff I'm supposed to pay for, so how am I lacking generosity? I don't get it.

Ethan told me that a decent Chinese woman will help pay for stuff such as transportation, and help share the cost of entertainment. They won't usually let you pay 100 percent for everything like Filipinas do. A man shouldn't pay for 100 percent of everything.

This is a perfect example of why you will always fail Winston.

Rock is a person who knows you and you consider a friend. He tells you exactly why a Taiwanese woman dumped you. Instead of graciously accepting his advice based on his personal observations of you, you counter with arguments on why the Taiwanese woman was wrong!

Rock knows you better than most people on this forum and he has personally seen you in action. So he tells you that the little things that you do that might be turning women off. You give off a vibe that you're cheap and stingy and most women aren't interested in cheapskates. What are you arguing about? The woman dumped you already. And she told Rock exactly why she ditched you. Why do you have this compulsion to always be right and never admit when you might be wrong? Why can't you just shut up, be humble and contemplate thoughtful advice from a real friend?

Some people on this forum have said that you should go to Thailand or back to the Philippines and spend your money on P4P instead of looking for a Chinese wife. That might be the best advice you'll ever get on this forum.

Smallcheese,
Are you on Crack or something? You'd take the word and opinion of a gold digging bitch over mine? Over a man who is highly credible and a master of logic? Are you a moron?!

Dude, did you read what I wrote? I gave logical reasons why she was wrong about me. Did you even consider them? Or are you overly eager to bash me that you don't even care if I'm right? If so that's f***ed.

What do you expect me to do? Buy a jacket I don't want and buy that 100 dollar electronic dictionary just to impress her? Is that what you suggest? Answer!

What about that 35 year old homely woman I met on okcupid who wanted me to buy her a pair of 50 dollar shoes on the first date that I mentioned earlier? Are you saying I should have generously bought it even though I wasn't even attracted to her? Answer!

So how am I wrong then?

Furthermore that woman rock referred to is not even a credible source. She lied and told me it was her birthday just to test my generosity with gifts. And she ditched me at my hotel and left and never came back as she promised.

Is that the kind of woman you consider to be a credible source about my stinginess?! One that lies about her birthday and ditches me later? See how stupid you look now? You f***ed up this time and the other guys can see it this time.

Next time listen to what a normal decent woman says about me. Not the kind that expects expensive gifts on the first date to test me. You should pick your sources more wisely. Not listen to that of a gold digging bitch who lies and flakes.

I'm a victim. You know sometimes a victim is not at fault but is truly a victim. Consider that real victims do exist.

Be more humble smallcheese and admit your mistakes. A know it all attitude is a turn off.

[smallcheese]

But...I think there is something in your spending behavior which might put off certain girls. In the early dating phase, you might not wanna do anything that suggests being overly frugal cus it can be perceived as being stingy. If you spend to much time deciding on little things like which dish to eat or comparing prices of things to save a 10 or 20 RMB, the girls might think to themselves, wow, even I don't have to worry about that kind of small money so what's his problem. It's good to be decisive and if you hesitate and think too much when you order food or buy things at a shop, it can be irritating. I remember the Taichung girl I introduced you too but ended up ditching you told me that she felt you were very xiao qi (stingy) and too hesitant. She told me she would feel a lot more comfortable around a guy who is "at-sa-li" (a Japanese borrow word used in Taiwan which roughly translates to straightforward and easy to deal with). On the other hand, you tend to "zuan niu jiao jian" which means to waste time on an insoluble or insignificant problems. If you hesitate, move slowly, scratch your head, and argue over small issues in restaurants, or spend lots of time comparing to save a bit of money, that can really give a bad impression. When a Chinese guy gives a gift to a girl, I think he generally just gives it. He doesn't offer it as some kind of bargaining tool to get what he wants from her. Being a bit generous in the very beginning is a show of good faith. Once you guys start dating more regularly, you can explain your philosophy about saving money and being frugal. But it doesn't hurt on the first date or two to just move fast, lead, and not worry too much about how much things cost as long as you're not going to uber expensive places.

Perhaps you are not acting in the way I describe above. I just suspect that you might be cus I've seen you get in that mode before. So consider it. Also, if you're gonna spend more time in Shenzhen, perhaps you can make some more open minded male Chinese friends around your age who can act as a cultural translator to you and perhaps provide more accurate and useful information and advice.

But Rock, that example doesn't apply. I took that girl to a mall in Taichung called Chung Yo. All the jacket choices there sucked and I didn't like the styles. So I didn't buy anything, otherwise I'd just return it or regret it later. So I was unlucky to be in a mall with shitty choices. Somehow she used that against me, even though frugality wasn't the issue there. Another thing she held against me was when I was about to buy a $100 electronic dictionary, and I changed my mind later because my gut feeling told me it would be a waste of money. I decided it was better not to buy it than to buy it and regret it later. I don't know why she held that against me. It didn't make sense.

Around China women I take them to nice fancy restaurants with nice ambience and I gladly pay for dinner. How do I need to be more generous than that? Rock, you pay for dinner on dates too. Same as me. So how are you more generous than me? You don't buy expensive gifts on the first date either. So how are you any more generous than me? I pay for all the stuff I'm supposed to pay for, so how am I lacking generosity? I don't get it.

Ethan told me that a decent Chinese woman will help pay for stuff such as transportation, and help share the cost of entertainment. They won't usually let you pay 100 percent for everything like Filipinas do. A man shouldn't pay for 100 percent of everything.

This is a perfect example of why you will always fail Winston.

Rock is a person who knows you and you consider a friend. He tells you exactly why a Taiwanese woman dumped you. Instead of graciously accepting his advice based on his personal observations of you, you counter with arguments on why the Taiwanese woman was wrong!

Rock knows you better than most people on this forum and he has personally seen you in action. So he tells you that the little things that you do that might be turning women off. You give off a vibe that you're cheap and stingy and most women aren't interested in cheapskates. What are you arguing about? The woman dumped you already. And she told Rock exactly why she ditched you. Why do you have this compulsion to always be right and never admit when you might be wrong? Why can't you just shut up, be humble and contemplate thoughtful advice from a real friend?

Some people on this forum have said that you should go to Thailand or back to the Philippines and spend your money on P4P instead of looking for a Chinese wife. That might be the best advice you'll ever get on this forum.

Smallcheese,
Are you on Crack or something? You'd take the word and opinion of a gold digging bitch over mine? Over a man who is highly credible and a master of logic? Are you a moron?!

Dude, did you read what I wrote? I gave logical reasons why she was wrong about me. Did you even consider them? Or are you overly eager to bash me that you don't even care if I'm right? If so that's f***ed.

What do you expect me to do? Buy a jacket I don't want and buy that 100 dollar electronic dictionary just to impress her? Is that what you suggest? Answer!

What about that 35 year old homely woman I met on okcupid who wanted me to buy her a pair of 50 dollar shoes on the first date that I mentioned earlier? Are you saying I should have generously bought it even though I wasn't even attracted to her? Answer!

So how am I wrong then?

Furthermore that woman rock referred to is not even a credible source. She lied and told me it was her birthday just to test my generosity with gifts. And she ditched me at my hotel and left and never came back as she promised.

Is that the kind of woman you consider to be a credible source about my stinginess?! One that lies about her birthday and ditches me later? See how stupid you look now? You f***ed up this time and the other guys can see it this time.

Next time listen to what a normal decent woman says about me. Not the kind that expects expensive gifts on the first date to test me. You should pick your sources more wisely. Not listen to that of a gold digging bitch who lies and flakes.

I'm a victim. You know sometimes a victim is not at fault but is truly a victim. Consider that real victims do exist.

Be more humble smallcheese and admit your mistakes. A know it all attitude is a turn off.

The words from the woman came from Rock. I didn't make it up. That's what Rock wrote and I was quoting him directly. I find Rock to be a credible source. Why would he lie? I thought you two were good friends. With friends like you, who needs enemies?

As usual, you missed the whole point of my comments. Rock, your friend, gave you thoughtful advice on why you failed with the Taiwanese woman. But instead of responding thoughtfully in kind, you go into a diatribe about how Rock is wrong and why you weren't being cheap with the woman. Rock's point was that some of your actions led the woman (who was introduced to you by Rock if you remember) to think you were stingy and cheap. And she told that to Rock.

As usual your immaturity shines through. Instead of taking constructive criticism thoughtfully, you react emotionally like a child, throwing a tantrum and saying everything, including foul language and insults to try to prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

You're 40+ years old! When are you going to grow up and act like an adult? Probably never, which is why I think you will fail in the end.

Let's see who will be proven right.

P.S. I would never buy a woman a gift on a first date. Where did I ever say that you should do that??? Answer!!!! (Sound familiar? )
You won't because you can never admit when you're wrong.

[Winston]

Smallcheese,
Are you deaf and dumb? You didn't address my points. Rock was speculating. He doesn't know for sure that women think I'm stingy. I pay for all my dates. So how am I stingy? Answer!

One gold digging bitch who lies and has no ethics is not a credible source. Why do you think she is? Ask the other guys here.

Again read what I told you. You failed to address my points. You dodged my questions.

Smallcheese,
Are you on Crack or something? You'd take the word and opinion of a gold digging bitch over mine? Over a man who is highly credible and a master of logic? Are you a moron?!

Dude, did you read what I wrote? I gave logical reasons why she was wrong about me. Did you even consider them? Or are you overly eager to bash me that you don't even care if I'm right? If so that's f***ed.

What do you expect me to do? Buy a jacket I don't want and buy that 100 dollar electronic dictionary just to impress her? Is that what you suggest? Answer!

What about that 35 year old homely woman I met on okcupid who wanted me to buy her a pair of 50 dollar shoes on the first date that I mentioned earlier? Are you saying I should have generously bought it even though I wasn't even attracted to her? Answer!

So how am I wrong then?

Furthermore that woman rock referred to is not even a credible source. She lied and told me it was her birthday just to test my generosity with gifts. And she ditched me at my hotel and left and never came back as she promised.

Is that the kind of woman you consider to be a credible source about my stinginess?! One that lies about her birthday and ditches me later? See how stupid you look now? You f***ed up this time and the other guys can see it this time.

Next time listen to what a normal decent woman says about me. Not the kind that expects expensive gifts on the first date to test me. You should pick your sources more wisely. Not listen to that of a gold digging bitch who lies and flakes.

I'm a victim. You know sometimes a victim is not at fault but is truly a victim. Consider that real victims do exist.

Be more humble smallcheese and admit your mistakes. A know it all attitude is a turn off.

[Winston]

Chanta76,
Stop making up lies about me to try to portray me in the worst way possible. You guys are using me as a punching bag and getting off on bashing me. You certainly aren't making neutral objective fair points.

I am not unhygienic or fat and old. I still look decent and clean cut. Ask rock or Ethan. My hands are smooth like a prince and many women say my hands are softer than theirs. So I am like a spoiled prince who's well off. Not some fat slob. I dress like a yuppie, upper middle class. I shower twice a day and act very classy like an aristocrat, like rock does.

So stop painting a false image of me, you f***ing asshole. Or I'll issue a warning on your account.

Also why do sales people and hustlers and promoters always pick me out of a crowd of hundreds of people? Ask Ethan. He's seen it happen. I always get picked out of a crowd of people by those with something to sell. Why? It must be because I project an aura or image of someone well off with lots of cash. So I must project money and status. These people don't know that I'm a foreigner either. Somehow sales people know who has money and they always single me out. They approach me and not Ethan. Why is that?

I obviously do not look like a fat slob. So stop lying about me and painting a false image. It undermines your credibility.

Also I lost weight from 83 or 84 kg to 81 kg. Ethan saw me step on the weight scale and can confirm this. It's funny how no one congratulated me cause you are too fixated on negativity.

I mentioned all this to Ethan and zboy and they both agreed that you guys are unfairly negative and treating me like a punching bag.

A polite person would simply say that I haven't met the right person yet. Not bash me or say I did something wrong like a witch trial.

The truth is, if a woman really likes you, you can't do no wrong unless you punch her or kick her.

Also chanta76 why you comparing me to will n dowd? He is tall and thin and has slept with lots of hot girls for free, according to his report. So what's he got to do with this? What is he complaining about?

[Banano]

"Also why do sales people and hustlers and promoters always pick me out of a crowd of hundreds of people? Ask Ethan. He's seen it happen. I always get picked out of a crowd of people by those with something to sell. Why?"


Simple answer, you look like a sucker, weak minded person who will be easy to convince into buying something and thats why sales people and hustlers pick you out.