Winston partying at nightclub in Chiayi, Taiwan (photos)

[Repatriate]

Repatriate,
Question: So are Thai girls more accepting of age differences? At least compared to Taiwanese girls?

It depends on the girl but in Thai society it's not unusual for there to be a 10 year difference in age sometimes. Most women prefer marrying closer to their age of course but yeah it tends to be more lenient when it comes to age. It doesn't matter anyways since most of the girls worth having a serious relationship with are in that 25 to early 30's bracket.

As to that Thai girl I met, if she is a KTV girl or hostess, and does p4p, how would I know about it? Wait for her to bring it up? How do you find out if a girl sleeps with men for money? Is there a polite way to ask about it that would not offend her in case you are wrong?

Well, you can just make note of her habits..where she goes and what company she keeps. I suppose if she really is a p4p girl she'll drop hints to you especially if she views you as a potential client. Just be friends with her if she's not into dating you. Those freelance p4p girls are fun to be friends with sometimes plus they can introduce you to their non p4p girlfriends too. Do NOT imply or ask outright if she's a prostitute though. Because even if she is it's really insulting to be called out on it. It will totally kill whatever rapport you're building. Remember the golden rule..treat whores like princesses, treat princesses like whores.

Do you speak Thai Repatriate? Maybe you can call her for me and arrange how and where I can meet her?

It depends on what sort of instructions you want me to relay. My Thai is so so. I could get my girlfriend to do it though.

She's willing to go that extra mile to meet you so it sounds like something good might be in the works. Thai girls are fun to be around but just don't take it too seriously.

My dad told me that normal Taiwanese don't go to nightclubs, and that the people who go there are called "The Black Society" and the places are usually run by gangsters. Is that true? If so, does that mean this Thai girl's employers may be gangsters as well? She still won't tell me what she does for work here. Or sometimes she does but I can't understand what she's saying.

It sounds like your dad is really really behind on the times. Like I said she's probably a club escort or cheer girl. For a young Thai woman to stay that long in Taiwan though they must have someone signing off on their paperwork for visas. I don't think Taiwan is an ASEAN member so it's really difficult for Thais to stay there that long.

[OutsideoftheBox]

Also, why is your head so lumpy?

LOL. I was going to ask the same thing.

[OutsideoftheBox]

Asians rely on make-up way too much. And I think there should be a class or at least a book or instructional dvd on how to detect and avoid trannies for men going to Asia.

This is clearly racism. Blue Murder was banned for much less than this.

[odbo]

This is clearly racism. Blue Murder was banned for much less than this.

I thought you were Blue Murder. Why are you speaking in the third person about yourself?

[Winston]

Ok I just showed the Thai girl's photos with her friends to my Taiwanese friend Ann. She told me that she and her friends look very fake and unnatural and suspects that they are ladyboys. She told me that if I go see her and take her out, she will expect a monthly allowance of around 100,000NT, or $3300 USD (maybe she's exaggerating, I'm not sure). And in return, she would let me take her out, provide companionship and sleep with me too.

Ann told me that she went to Thailand before, and that normal girls there don't put on so much makeup and dress like barbie dolls, only ladyboys there do that.

Are you guys sure that she's a ladyboy? 100 percent sure? Is it possible that she's a real girl but that her friends are ladyboys? If a few of them are, does that mean all of them are?

Also, I hate to ask this, but how do you sleep with a ladyboy? Do they have penises or vaginas? I'd hate to make love to her and then when I take off her underwear, find that... you know what I mean... That would be very shocking and traumatizing...

(Maybe this is what Repatriate is hoping will happen? lol)

If she is a ladyboy, then how does she look so feminine and soft? Does she take estrogen shots to look more feminine? Is that possible? Will that make one's hands and feel look feminine too? Weird.

Anyway, here is a collage of her photos on Facebook. Scroll down below the albums to see the collage. Click on each picture to enlarge. What do you guys make of them? Is she a real girl or not? Also, why are there so many photos of her and her friends in beauty pageants? Are those real beauty pagents or drag shows?

http://www.facebook.com/noopai.cawaeii/photos

[publicduende]

That Thai girl is very hot. She looks a little anaemic though, maybe she needs to chomp on some meat.

Hmm, maybe I need to go to Thailand next.

I think she's wearing some sort of smooth foundation. Her face makeup is definitely Japanese doll style, quite popular among twenty-somethings...

[zboy1]

Ok I just showed the Thai girl's photos with her friends to my Taiwanese friend Ann. She told me that she and her friends look very fake and unnatural and suspects that they are ladyboys. She told me that if I go see her and take her out, she will expect a monthly allowance of around 100,000NT, or $3300 USD (maybe she's exaggerating, I'm not sure). And in return, she would let me take her out, provide companionship and sleep with me too.

Ann told me that she went to Thailand before, and that normal girls there don't put on so much makeup and dress like barbie dolls, only ladyboys there do that.

Are you guys sure that she's a ladyboy? 100 percent sure? Is it possible that she's a real girl but that her friends are ladyboys? If a few of them are, does that mean all of them are?

Also, I hate to ask this, but how do you sleep with a ladyboy? Do they have penises or vaginas? I'd hate to make love to her and then when I take off her underwear, find that... you know what I mean... That would be very shocking and traumatizing...

(Maybe this is what Repatriate is hoping will happen? lol)

If she is a ladyboy, then how does she look so feminine and soft? Does she take estrogen shots to look more feminine? Is that possible? Will that make one's hands and feel look feminine too? Weird.

Anyway, here is a collage of her photos on Facebook. Scroll down below the albums to see the collage. Click on each picture to enlarge. What do you guys make of them? Is she a real girl or not? Also, why are there so many photos of her and her friends in beauty pageants? Are those real beauty pagents or drag shows?

http://www.facebook.com/noopai.cawaeii/photos

The Thai chick is definitely a ladyboy in my opinion; I mean, check out her Facebook photo with her other 'lady friends.' No way are they naturally female. And as for how ladyboy's end up looking very feminine...well, there are many ways they do this, either through estrogen shots or plastic surgery to look more female.

BTW Winston, that party looks pretty cool and just from looking at the pictures you've taken, it just seems like the atmosphere in Taiwan is so much more inclusive and relaxed than in the United States. I mean, inviting an unknown female to your table, engaging in talks with people you've just met, groups not excluding outsiders who are not part of their clique, etc. It just seems very different than going to a nightclub in the U.S. that's for sure...

[Winston]

The Thai chick is definitely a ladyboy in my opinion; I mean, check out her Facebook photo with her other 'lady friends.' No way are they naturally female. And as for how ladyboy's end up looking very feminine...well, there are many ways they do this, either through estrogen shots or plastic surgery to look more female.

BTW Winston, that party looks pretty cool and just from looking at the pictures you've taken, it just seems like the atmosphere in Taiwan is so much more inclusive and relaxed than in the United States. I mean, inviting an unknown female to your table, engaging in talks with people you've just met, groups not excluding outsiders who are not part of their clique, etc. It just seems very different than going to a nightclub in the U.S. that's for sure...

So you mean just because her friends are ladyboys, then she must be one too? Is it possible for normal girls and ladyboys to work or hang out together in one group? Anyone know?

About that nightclub scene, hold on now. Did you read what I wrote? ONLY the foreign guys and girls there were friendly and open, NOT the Taiwanese crowd.

[Winston]

I don't understand something. Why would so many boys in SE Asia want to become ladyboys? Maybe they enjoy the attention they get? Or maybe they don't want to work hard or study hard, so they figure it's easier to become a pretty ladyboy and get free money from sugar daddies? lol

So do ladyboys have vaginas or penises? Who pays for their operations? Someone rich must be sponsoring them right? What average Thai person could afford these expensive surgeries and estrogen shots? They must cost a fortune.

So is is possible that she's a real girl who hangs out in a group of ladyboys? Or do only ladyboys hang out with other ladyboys?

I have an idea. I am talking to some Thai girls on DateinAsia. Maybe they can look at her and tell me? Or I can email a ladyboy on DateinAsia and have them tell me? lol

Come to think of it, there is something odd about her. When I talk to her on the phone, I get the sense that she is "trying" to sound feminine, almost like it's some sort of "act". It's hard to explain, kind of like she's "exerting effort" to sound like a girl. That's the best way I can put it. lol

But when I first saw her face, she looked like a girl for sure. I'm surprised I could be fooled like that. Plus her hands and feet look so feminine. Very weird.

[Repatriate]

Winston, I think you're getting fed a lot of terrible information. Zboy hasn't spent any significant time in Thailand and even though you say your friend Ann is smart she sounds like a total idiot about this. How does your friend Ann even know what the supposed going rate for an escort is or did she just rattle off some absurd figure to scare you away? Even if this girl _is_ an escort it sure as hell isn't 3,300 U.S. a month. That's retarded. It sounds like she's trying to throw a wrench into your personal life because older bitter women like to cockblock.

I have spent 5 years in Thailand and live here I will guarantee you that a lot of Thai girls do dress like the girls in those pics and what this girl is wearing doesn't look out of the ordinary. You can see plenty of regular Thai girls wearing this stuff. The pics she took with those girls don't look out of place for Thailand.

From those pics I don't think she's a ladyboy because #1 she doesn't have any sign of a adam's apple. #2 Small feet and hands from the pics. #3 very petite body
#4 soft rounded face

The vast majority of ladyboys (even the professional model ones) are taller, with angular faces, and you can't hide big hands or feet. There is an operation to shave down adam's apples but the other stuff is difficult to deceive people with.

If you want 100% conclusive ways to tell if you meet her look at her arm. A guy's arm with palm facing up tends to be very straight with a slight bow. If you look at a woman's the same way with palm facing up it's way more curved.

Some of her friends do look like ladyboys but you know..it's hard to say from just pics. Some regular Thai girls do look like that too. Like I said follow the signs I outlined above in person.

[PaulB]

She has broad shoulders and no hips, and it's pretty obvious that she tries to hide that with her clothing and poses. You can also tell she's had some work done to her face. Her nose and cheekbones don't look natural.

Add the fact that her friends are ladyboys. Generally speaking, only ladyboys hang out with ladyboys.

[air_king]

dude, that is so obviously a ladyboy haha

[Repatriate]

She has broad shoulders and no hips, and it's pretty obvious that she tries to hide that with her clothing and poses. You can also tell she's had some work done to her face. Her nose and cheekbones don't look natural.

The only way to be certain is to do the arm test and look at her feet and hands up close. Winston has only met this person once in a nightclub environment so he should at least see her in a normal setting to confirm.

Add the fact that her friends are ladyboys. Generally speaking, only ladyboys hang out with ladyboys.

That's not true at all.

[patrick]

i can't open the facebook photos..

In the group picture the 3rd from the left and the one on the right in the lightblue dress might be ladyboys or the face operation to look more caucasion didn't work out so well. The others just look like regular Thai girls to me.


Your Thai friend doesn't look like a ladyboy, i think with ladyboys you can always see or hear they're not real women.

It's not true Thai girls don't use lots of makeup, they do, especially a lot of whitening cream/makeup which is popular in almost all Asian countries.
Lots of Thai girls (and Taiwanese) like to be as kawaii 可爱 ,cute as possible which includes speaking in a unnatural kawaii voice as well. Never seen Asian drama series?

Maybe your friend Ann is jealous

[Winston]

Here is what an expat friend of mine in Taiwan told me. He thinks she's a ladyboy. Here are his reasons:

Winston,

She definitely looks like a transvestite. Also, it is very unusual for a Thai girl to be wearing so much make-up unless she is either a prostitute or a transvestite.

I can help you find out the truth. If you ask her "Are you a transvestite?", then she wouldn't mind admitting it if it were true, but if were not true, then she would be very offended. So it would be better if I asked her instead because since I am not interested in being friends with her, I wouldn't mind at all if she gets offended and never speaks to me again. So my idea is this: If you tell me her phone number, I can call her and be friendly to her. Then after engaging in small talk for about 15 or 20 minutes, I'll pop the question "Are you a transvestite?" If the answer is "Yes", then I'm sure that she would not be offended at all because I have already asked lots of Thai ladyboys this question, and they readily admit that they are transvestites. (So far, I have been right every time, so I have never offended anyone before.) I have met about a dozen transvestites in Taiwan. All of the ones that I met live in Chiayi County and Dou-Liou because they work at Jian Hu Shan Amusement Park in Gu-Keng (Yunlin County) and they also work at Song Tian Gang Amusement Park in Minxiong (15 minutes north of Chiayi City). (The same group of transvestites work at both places, giving strip shows where they strip down to bikinis and sing Taiwanese songs with a very heavy accent.)

More than 99% of Thai people in Taiwan either work at factories or are transvestites. (None of them are maids. All of the maids in Taiwan are Filipinas or Indonesians.) Also, almost none of them are the wives of Taiwanese men because in Taiwan, most foreign wives are from China and Vietnam. So I seriously doubt that she is a maid or a Taiwanese man's wife. Also, she told you that she doesn't work at a factory. (And it would be very unusual for a factory worker to be wearing so much make-up. That would be way out of character.) So that leaves a transvestite as the most logical alternative.

However, she could be a prostitute. In Taiwan, most young prostitutes come from China and Vietnam. (The old prostitutes are Taiwanese). But some prostitutes come from Thailand.

Btw, transvestites definitely do not have penises because when they strip down to bikinis during the show, their bikini bottoms have a line that looks like a "camel's toe" so this proves that transvestites have no penis because they have a crack down the middle of the pubic area, just like a girl. So transvestites have been castrated and their bodies have been surgically altered to be similar to a girl's body. I don't know whether or not they have a hole for a vagina and I don't know whether they have labia, but they definitely have no penis and they definitely have a "camel's toe" crack in their pubic region.

Who should I believe? Him or Repatriate? Why do all of you have different opinions on this? I'm very apprehensive about meeting her again until this matter is settled. Why is it so difficult to get unanimous agreement on this?

Also, on the phone, she asked me "Ni yau bao wo ma?" (Do you want to "bao" me?) What does "bao" mean exactly? Anyone here who speaks Chinese know this word?