Mediumship & Clairvoyance

[TruthSeeker]

Bible Verses about Mediums

Leviticus 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6 I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.

Isaiah 8:19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

2 Kings 21:6 He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced divination, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger.

Leviticus 20:27 A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD; because of these same detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.

Personally I would not consult with them. They can not be trusted. You can not be assured that you are being given accurate information. How would they know anyway? Most of these charlatans are just after your money. There is nothing to be gained by going to them.

[gsjackson]

I don't doubt that there could be something there, though I wonder if the mechanism might be less someone seeing the future and more planting the suggestion in your head and your mind turns it into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But I'm not interested in anyone's predictions about my future or destiny, and here I'm following the advice of Emerson. He recommended plighting your troth to "the chancellors of God -- cause and effect," and you won't need to worry about the spins of Dame Fortuna's wheel. I feel like there's a lifetime's work of discovery to be made within the realm of cause and effect in all its different manifestations, and that's where I intend to stay. I'm also cognizant of the Christian-based cautions that Truthseeker sets out above, and I think they are essentially the same as Emerson's.

[Lucas88]

@Pixel--Dude

Mediumship is a real thing. I know people who have consulted a medium and received accurate and detailed information about a deceased family member or another aspect of their lives which the medium could have not possibly known through ordinary means. I am also impressed by the accuracy of the predictions of the medium who we have seen. In fact, there have even been studies on the phenomenon of mediumship which tested the psychic abilities of mediums under controlled conditions and which have yielded positive results. The Arizona medium experiments of Dr. Gary Schwartz and Dr. Julie Beischel come to mind.

How does mediumship work? I suspect that it could work through some kind of astral database of events that have happened or will probably happen in the future and that skilled mediums are able to tap into this astral database and then retrieve and interpret information which turns out to be accurate. Indeed, Dr. Gary Schwarz himself concluded that the mechanism behind mediumship is unknown but at the same time hypothesized the possible existence of a mental field from which accurate information may be retrieved.

Is mediumship safe or dangerous? I would say that it depends on the medium in question. Some mediums might simply retrieve accurate information from an astral database as I proposed above, while other mediums might actually open themselves up to foreign entities of a malevolent disposition and therefore run the risk of possession and damage inflicted upon their subtle bodies, not to mention the risk of deception.

I agree with the Christian respondents above to some degree but in a completely different context. Yes, mediumship could potentially open the medium and sitter up to demonic intrusion and deception, but I believe that those same deceptive entities are also behind the religions of blind submission and sacrifice including Christianity and Islam. I'm of the view that the world is largely under the control of a faction of evil gods led by the impostor god Yahweh and known to those of a Gnostic bent as "archons". They are behind the Abrahamic slave religions, the New Age, the elite occult religions (whether outwardly "Satanic", Kabbalistic or other), and the New World Order at large. They can also occasionally interact with unwitting regular folks through practices like negative mediumship (the kind which relies on communication with unfamiliar entities), channeling, Ouija boards, spiritism, etc.

I would also be wary of those who claim to speak to the dead. I believe that instances of true communication with spirits of the departed are extremely rare and that most of the time the medium is simply retrieving accurate information about a deceased relative through the aforementioned astral database in the best of cases or being deceived by an impostor. What people call "the other side" isn't a heavenly realm with angels and infinite love. That is just what the "archons" want us to believe with their mediumistic messages of a blissful heavenly afterlife and NDE testimonies about going into the light as well as spiritism-inspired movies like Nosso Lar (Astral City: A Spiritual Journey). Don't go into the light! It's a trap which conceals an astral gulag for the discarnate soul! Flee from that place! Reincarnate yourself! Don't let them imprison your soul!

[gsjackson]

I don't know. I'm not necessarily skeptical, and am intrigued by quantum non-locality and anecdotal evidence like this.

Back in 2009 I was asking my recently-deceased father for answers to ultimate questions and was immediately led to a book in Barnes & Noble about the Rhine Institute, which was the leading center for the study of para psychology. The Rhine Institute was on the campus of my undergraduate college. By coincidence the son of my father's best friend in the Pacific during WWII, with whom he hadn't been on touch for several years, also came to school there as a freshman the same year, and the kid volunteered at the Rhine Institute during his time there.

The book didn't necessarily provide any sunbursts for me, but the episode did underscore for me how much my father -- a very smart guy -- believed in powers of the mind. As a boy, he'd been healed of a nervous condition by Christian Science practitioners, and while he never became a praticing Christian Scientist (unlike his PhD brother whose dissertation committee was headed by John Dewey), he was always very interested in it.

[Cornfed]

The things in question would be fairly easy to guess for a man in a certain age range. That is not to say that mediumship is necessarily impossible. My subjective experience is that it is somewhat possible.

[MrMan]

I think it's con artistry, cold reading, perception through demonic or other forbidden means, or a mix of these things.

[kangarunner]

By coincidence the son of my father's best friend in the Pacific during WWII, with whom he hadn't been on touch for several years, also came to school there as a freshman the same year, and the kid volunteered at the Rhine Institute during his time there.

https://youtu.be/_IGZG_HhC0o?t=90

Son: "I don't know what got into me...".

Father: "I do son. Five generations of large family breeding".

[MrMan]

I think it's con artistry, cold reading, perception through demonic or other forbidden means, or a mix of these things.

What reason do you have to believe any of this is true? The medium I visited couldn't possibly have known the aforementioned details of my life. I gave her very little information so how could she use cold reading?

And demons? Why on earth would demons bother wasting their time with such trivial trolling. I think mediumship is forbidden by Christianity, but not inherently evil. I think mediums who use tarot cards access the Akashic Records to gather information about the person they are doing a reading for.

Spirits can have access to all kinds of information. There are Christians who prophesies or get other revelatory information and share it. The difference is what we are allowed to share comes from the Holy Spirit. Angelic revelation is also 'kosher.' For some types of activities, the difference is what spirit is sharing information. Why would demons be involved? As for why's, I don't know all their motivations, though I could guess. There are spirits who were allowed to have rulership in a sense, and/or influence over people. For some reason, they find this desirable. Some spirits seek to inhabit human bodies, though they can go into animals. I suspect that is not a need for all of them. But some spirits have access to all kinds of information and may be able to guess at or predict the future based on that, and know various things about you.

[MrMan]

False prophecy is a concern for Christians who believe in prophecy. There are certain tests-- whether a prophet's words come to pass and the fruit in their life. There is also confirmation, where God speaks something to us and someone else prophesies it. There is also perceiving by the Spirit that the words are from God when one hears it. That depends on one's spiritual gifting to some extent, I think. I've also gone someone and someone prophesied something over me, and gone elsewhere and someone else prophesied that. I am a teacher by spiritual gift and by profession, and I can't count the number of times someone I didn't know perceived by gifts of the Spirit that I am a teacher, or my gift is teaching.

[Lucas88]

I think these would interest @Tsar if he's still reading stuff on the forum. What do you think @Winston

I really like the deck, but because the deck is so different to the Rider Waite deck, I am struggling with interpretation. If anyone wants to be my guinea pig and let me give them a reading, just let me know

I don't want to sound like a spoilsport since your girlfriend has just bought you a Tarot deck, but I strongly suspect that the Tarot puts people in contact with negative energies, especially the Rider-Waite Tarot deck.

Why do I believe this? Because the Tarot is a cartomancy practice closely associated with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn of which A.E. Waite was a member and its symbolism was influenced by the works of the occultist Eliphas Levi. Why is this a bad thing? Because the whole modern "Left-Hand Path" occultism of which the Golden Dawn is a prominent representation was strongly influenced by the Qabalah (written with a "q") which emerged during the Renaissance as an unholy synthesis of European Hermeticism and the Jewish Kabbalah.

The Qabalah-derived Left-Hand Path occultism of the last few centuries is supposed to work with the forces of the Qliphoth – the impure husks of the dark side of creation (counterparts of the Sephirot of the Tree of Life). In colloquial parlance, the energy with which those modern occult systems work could be called "Satanic".



Of course, I'm not here to promote the Kabbalistic view of reality as true or as a path of light. The Kabbalah is a negative and adversarial system of Jewish mysticism used to further the enemy's agenda.

In fact, I'm of the view that the Sephirotic-Qlippthothic dichotomy of the Kabbalah is nothing more than a false dualism and that both the angels and archangels of the Sephirotic realm and the so-called demons of its Qliphothic counterpart are all negative entities which bat for the same team. Both of these paths lead to destruction.

Unfortunately, almost all of our original Gentile occult traditions were corrupted and adulterated through syncretism with the Kabbalah. This syncretism began in the Middle Ages but would really accelerate in the Renaissance, being heavily promoted by the likes of Marsilio Ficino and Giovanni Pico della Mirandola. From this mess emerged the Qabalah with a "q".

I believe that the early Alexandrian Hermeticism was still a relatively pure philosophy and included at the more esoteric levels a knowledge of inner alchemy aimed at the Magnum Opus for the higher transmutation of the soul and therefore the creation of the allegorical "Philosopher's Stone" but, after the Middle Ages it was completely subsumed in the Kabbalah and corrupted from within. So-called modern Hermeticism is just adulterated Qabalistic garbage.

All of the above is the reason why I'm not a fan of the Tarot and especially the Rider-Waite deck.

Interestingly, I spoke to @Winston about the Tarot and he says that in his experience it does work but the predictions that it gives you are mostly negative. Maybe it does indeed put people in contact with negative energy.

[MrMan]

You know I think it is bad to do divination.

[Lucas88]

Hey dude. Thanks for the information you've posted here. It's really informative, especially the history of the Rider Waite deck. I have a book on how to interpret the imagery in these cards and some of the esoteric information in the introduction does refer to the Kabbalah. So could it be that divination as a whole is evil and connected with negative energies? Or could it be that divination is similar to ancient mythology and just corrupted by Jewish influence?

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But going back to what I was talking about in my first paragraph, divination is something which has dated back to ancient Mesopotamia, way before any Jewish influence. As for the practice of tarot itself I've done some research that supports what you are saying, though some people attest that tarot cards have their origins in ancient Egypt, though I'm unable to find anything to substantiate this theory as of yet. If I find anything else I'll discuss it with you further.

I don't think that divination itself is inherently evil or connected with negative energies. Rather it's simply that the Tarot as we know it incorporates many Qabalistic symbols and motifs and therefore connects the user to the corrupt energies of the Qabalah. Moreover, modern Tarot decks are entirely a creation of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and occult figures of the same ilk as Aleister Crowley. Their energy can't be very positive.

Here is a video about the Tarot and its relationship to Qabalistic concepts:



The Tarot deck relates to the Qabalistic Tree of Life (e.g., the 22 Major Arcana represent the 22 pathways which connect the 10 Sephirot while the four suits correspond to the four worlds of Atzilut, Beriah, Yetzirah and Assiah as well as the tetragrammaton YHVH) and includes Qabalistic numerology.

From my research, Tarot cards first emerged during the Renaissance as regular playing cards, were popular among the upper classes of Italy, France and Spain, and were rarely used for divinatory practices. The Tarot that we know today with its occult symbolism is entirely a modern invention, owing its existence to the Golden Dawn and Qabalah-influenced esoteric milieu of the late 19th century.

Furthermore, the modern Tarot emerged at a time of great Egyptomania, when many people of high society were obsessed with everything Egyptian and regarded Ancient Egypt as the place of origin of all esoteric knowledge and practice, and so it was simply assumed to have an Egyptian origin. However, there is no evidence to substantiate that claim, even though many Tarot readers and aficionados still hold onto that unfounded belief to this day.

[Lucas88]

I do think it's pretty funny though how my girlfriend bought me something to do with H.P Lovecraft and has no idea that he was actually a massive racist

That's like a more high-brow equivalent of your girlfriend going to KFC and buying a meal that was prepared by Cornfed. LMAO!