Winston wrote:Jester,
Check out this take on things to my question on the David Icke forum. Isn't it pretty disturbing?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216594
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A group? Yes. Secret? No.
Well to be fair there is always the possibility that it could be a secret unknown group or groups always trying to infiltrate with varying degrees of success.
The
central banking cabal is still at the top of the pyramid though and their globalization through controlling all the world's resources, usury, economic monopoly, etc. via warfare, terrorism, their media, their police, their intelligence agencies, etc.
It's not a secret or really a conspiracy. When shills and useful idiots deny it as if it is some kook fantasy idea it's baseless accusation. Same thing with those shills who say that no one power controls the world. That's technically true, but the ones who do number in the single digits and are basically tentacle arms of the same octopus.
When people use the term illuminati, it's true that they are generally speaking about the these guys and their various subsidiaries. There are also groups in history who have called themselves illuminati who either have worked for these guys or have worked against them. Some even for the greater good.
A cover up is a good indication they are all working for the same purpose. Any loose ends (and there are circumstantial and non-circumstancial loose ends) could cause their house of cards to fall.
In recent years they're getting sloppy. The whole Osama raid comes to mind. Whatever that really was, we only have clues from the locals and initial reports, none of which had anything to do with Osama and everything to do with a Pakistani military raid with no real indication of a SEAL involvement, an exploded helicopter which killed several people because the neighbors saw the corpses, and then later on the 'accidental' crash that killed SEALs allegedly involved.
The laughable Osama story (including magic DNA, instant sea burial, no photos, and a video of some old guy watching and 'Osama' video from behind) is the cover up for whatever occurred here by the media arm of the banksters (
Which never reports actual truth, not even local news. If you're ever involved with even local news you'll see what I mean).
What we and our fellow humans need to come to terms with (if we haven't already done so) is that our government is not elected by the people. That is an illusion. They own us through contract slavery. They are an ownership class. They will never seriously investigate any of their crimes, including the JFK assassination, the USS Liberty incident, 9/11, etc. The media propaganda is written by them like Hollywood screenplay writers.
Some of it IS written by Hollywood screenplay writers. Once they establish a narrative, the narrative becomes history. They will never revisit it or revise it unless it suits their purposes. Never.
All these people trying to get a new investigation going for 9/11 are wasting their time. They'll never approve of one and they'll never allow 3rd parties access to what is essentially their private property.
We need to spread awareness from a rational POV so people understand this and overthrow them in a civil manner. They own the police and the military, but the police and military are mostly our people. Their leaders are not, but the people can be persuaded to denounce their leadership and take our side. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I gotta hope.
One example of an established fake narrative is Iran Contra. Iran Contra and the courtroom drama was televised.
This was a conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact. A lot was written about it and it was no longer a secret. Since that time, the establishment has revised the narrative to make it sound better. Something to do with hostages which is not what it was about.
It also ignores who it created the Los Zetas who trouble the US border today (which we still arm...). Or the Jessica Lynch story. There is Jessica Lynch's official recollection of the events backed up by everybody there. Then there is the media story which claims some sort of heroic rescue from terrorists that is currently the official story. Lynch is considered 'crazy' from being traumatized. This is meant to debunk the actual history despite it being backed up by others. That's another tactic they use. "
I read through the responses on the Icke site to your posts there. Really not too great overall, I thought Icke fans would be better informed. I think Alex Jones's followers might be better-informed, though there is a LOT of spam & disinfo comments on his sites. Henry Makow's site has the most thoughtful commenters I think, reflecting Henry's thoughtful if negative nature.
Anyway, by far the best response IMO was exactly this one that you have re-posted here (that I re-quote above). This guy nails it. They are masters of layered falsehoods aka partil limited hanguts... allowing hem to operate with a certain amount of openness.
Oh yeah Kennedy got killed - look, a Commie (Oswald)!
Oh yeah, the Commie got killed - look, a Mafia guy (Ruby)!
Oh yeah, it wasn't just the Mafia guy, the CIA was really behind it!
Oh yeah, a Frenchman did it!
And if the whole truth comes out - just go on whistling and ignore it.
Reminds me of the time when Vernon Jordan was busted for some outrageous crime... it may have been the time he was lying and trying to intimidate Andrew Young's ex... or some other scandal... anyway, I'll never forget what the lying piece of shit said when confronted by the press, asking what he was going to do now tha all this had come out: "I'm just going to go on with my life."
Like Edward G Robinson playing Little Caesar, a cigar in his mouth, sneering, "Yeah, so what?"
In other words, if you pull the curtain down, and there is the guy behind the curtain shouting into the speaking tube, still trying to fool you into believing there is a wizard of oz.... he's going to stay in character and try to get you to buy into the manufactured image.
These guys are like a troupe of hardcore, dedicated, professional improv performers, they just go the f**k on with their distorted narrative, dead serious, and have planted other performers in the audience who watch you, and keep shaking their heads and smirking if you fail to believe the whole thing. Oh and the do have scriptwriters working for them. Guys in think tanks, but they also hire actual Hollywood screenwriters, just like in the movie "Wag The Dog". And yes, I have proof. I think I have posted again, I will another time.
It really is out in the open, to a great extent. I read on the web just 3-4 years ago that all the central banks in the world except Iran and North Korea were privately owned. I said bullshit, conspiracy theory, over the top. Then I read a MSM newspaper article, either WSJ or LA Times, page 11 or something, that mentioned "Iran's central bank, which is government -owned...". In other words a clear confirmation that government-owned central banks are th exception, not the rule. In New York, at Fox Business or on the floor of the NYSE, etc. I'm sure lots of folks know quite a bit about who owns what - the just don't tell us.
You hear about murky institutions like the International Bank of Settlements, chartered by someone or other. You think, oh, it's chartered by the UN, or by the Swiss, or whatever, and you think it's public, bland, harmless. Wrong. EVERY company and bank are "chartered" by someone - otherwise they wouldn't exist. But they also have owners. Profits can be extracted in various ways - dividends to preferred stockholders, dividends to common stock holders (the Fed's are secret), interest payments to bondholders, sweetheart deals to cronies (like AIG bailout), maket manipulation (recent LIBOR scandal)...
So yes that guy is right -- it's almost not a secret.
It's like Las Vegas in the old days. Everyone knows mobsters control casinos... everyone knows the public loses overall... but they just play along. The mobsters play a game, stay low-profile, have front men.... But it's all a business, it's all about extracting all they can. Would you call Mafia control of casinos a "conspiracy"? Maybe.. A "secret conspiracy"? Hell no.
On the NaughtyNomad Forum or Roosh Forum, I forget, one of the PUA's who came back from Colombia reported that cocaine is discreetly available everywhere, and free if you get if you know someone..... and that Pablo Escobar is alive. And that he had met him. That Escobar's death had been faked to satisfy the Americans. (Sounds familar. right?)
I thought the dude was joking, pulling our leg.
Nope.
The cocaine thing has checked out. Turns out they serve it at clubs in Buenos Aires too. Plus why not - our troops in Afghanistan guard poppy fields... So anyway I now believe the Escobar thing, though I don't have proof.
Ok enough for now....