my paranormal experiance

[CaptainSkelebob]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

[Lucas88]

@CaptainSkelebob

I've had multiple paranormal experiences myself. Some of these have involved poltergeist activity.

The first time this happened was when I was a teenager. One night strange footsteps which were abnormally loud entered my room. They started from near the door and slowly continued until the center where they suddenly stopped. I took a look but there was nobody there. Whatever made the footsteps had totally disappeared. I was scared shitless. Interestingly that incident occurred at a time when my own ma (who's not that much of a bitch, btw) was involved with some spiritualist church which claimed to communicate with spirits, and my brother and I were seeing strange figures in our house.

The second time that I witnessed poltergeist activity was when I was staying at a friend's house. I was lying on the sofa when, all of a sudden, I heard animal footsteps in the kitchen right next to the living room where I was. The animal footsteps were followed by licking sounds as though an animal were drinking from its bowl. Terrified, I got up from the sofa and ran into the bedroom where my friend was sleeping. I told him what I had heard and he said: "Don't worry! It happens all the time. It's just the ghost of the old dog!". I was so scared that I insisted on sleeping in the same bed as my friend. I told him that I didn't care that it was "gay".

Then, years later when I was living in Spain, I lived in a haunted house for a while. In that same house others had reported apparitions and poltergeist activity although they didn't tell me until later because I was a lodger and they didn't want to scare me away. Anyway, I began to see strange orbs in my room and they used to freak me out. Later the owner of the house confessed to me that the place was indeed haunted and told me about some of the paranormal happenings that were confirmed by other witnesses.

I personally believe that the things that we call ghosts are unknown interdimensional entities which are at times able to interact with our physical dimension and harass us in various ways. I believe that they are entirely negative and haunt places when people inadvertently open up gateways through practices such as spiritism and dark forms of occultism.

You don't need to see your own experience as contradictory to your scientific worldview. A true scientific thinker is curious about the world in which he inhabits and open-mindedly inquires after all phenomena. He is not limited by narrow ideologies of how the world is supposed to be.

[galii]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

f**k you Captain. Where were you when I fought in the Flat Earth Thread? You said you are a physics guy but you did not help me with your big brain.

Anyway regarding ghosts and shit. Our primate brain does a lot of weird shit. Stay in a cold dark room and watch horror movies and than go into the forest. Naturally you will be afraid and imagine stupid shit. So most of the things I guess have an explanation though everything is possible even the impossible. That is what we learned from Tom Cruise

[MrMan]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

Were you involved in the occult-- doing seances or playing with an ouija board, or saying bloody Mary in the mirror, or other occultic stuff? Maybe palm reading, or something you did not take seriously and you did it? It could be someone who lived there previously was into that sort of thing. Those things seem to attract demons. A lot of the alien stuff is occultic, and talking about it seems to detect demonic presences.

I wonder if you sinful disrespect for your mother was enough to attract demons also.

[Pixel--Dude]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

I've only ever seen a ghost once in my life. My grandfather died when I was about 2 years old, so I don't really remember him that well at all. But I do know what he looked like thanks to photographs and such. Well one time when I was a teenager I saw him walking up the stairs. He looked into my bedroom and then walked out of view and I never saw him again.

A friend of mine had a recent negative encounter with malevolent beings similar to what you described. She woke up paralysed with shadow beings standing around her bed. One was a man with a hat on, one was a really tall woman and the other she described as looking like a humanoid lizard.

Another friend of mine was attacked after waking by some old hag who swore she would take his life at a later time, she disappeared shortly after.

You are right that people have talked about this kind of thing for years. It is usually dismissed today as sleep paralysis, a scientific explanation offered to explain these encounters away as hallucinations. It's just strange that a lot of these hallucinations always involve similar beings. The Hat Man is a regular malevolent being who makes everyone who has ever encountered him very uncomfortable.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84J7YYbT9vI[/youtube]
This is a video about shadow people and the Hat Man.


roll online
This is the image associated with the old hag who sits on people's chests. People used to say it was a demon, but in more recent years the apparition changed into an old hag instead. There must be some correlation between all these accounts.

Those of you who have commented so far:
@CaptainSkelebob
@Lucas88
@MrMan
What do you think these sightings or ghostly apparitions really are?

1. Ghosts or Evil Spirits that haunt the living and siphon energy from those they harass? Sort of like energetic parasites which evoke certain emotions and feed from the energy of these emotions.

2. Echoes from the Akashic Records which play out sort of like a projector where these apparitions repeat things they did during life.

3. Demonic Entities from biblical theology which serve Satan and harass the living children of God.

4. Psychological hallucinations which are nothing but images created by the human brain to project that which we fear. Basically the Sleep Paralysis argument.

5. Aliens or interdimensional beings which can telepathically take on the form of whatever they choose like the old hag or lost loved ones etc?

Does anyone else have any theories as to what these ghosts or paranormal entities are in addition to those I suggested? Which of the above do you believe to be true and why? Or do you think it could be a combination of a few of the above? Interested to hear what you guys think.

Whatever they are they certainly inspire fear into the living, whether this is intentional or not, because we know there is something unnatural and creepy about such apparitions. I am a proponent of the reincarnation theory so the idea of the dead being ghosts doomed to wander the earth aimlessly isn't congruent with that theory... I personally think they are a combination of all of the above. I will explain why in a later post.

But @CaptainSkelebob I think the questions asked by both @Lucas88 and @MrMan are relevant in addressing the issue you mentioned. Particularly because negative energy can attract such negative energetic parasites into your home. Issues with your mother? Strange practices like ouija boards or anything like that?

[Lucas88]

What do you think these sightings or ghostly apparitions really are?

1. Ghosts or Evil Spirits that haunt the living and siphon energy from those they harass? Sort of like energetic parasites which evoke certain emotions and feed from the energy of these emotions.

2. Echoes from the Akashic Records which play out sort of like a projector where these apparitions repeat things they did during life.

3. Demonic Entities from biblical theology which serve Satan and harass the living children of God.

4. Psychological hallucinations which are nothing but images created by the human brain to project that which we fear. Basically the Sleep Paralysis argument.

5. Aliens or interdimensional beings which can telepathically take on the form of whatever they choose like the old hag or lost loved ones etc?

Does anyone else have any theories as to what these ghosts or paranormal entities are in addition to those I suggested? Which of the above do you believe to be true and why? Or do you think it could be a combination of a few of the above? Interested to hear what you guys think.

I am currently of the view that most ghostly phenomena are either the work of unknown energetic parasites of an extradimensional origin or are densified thoughtforms that have grown so powerful that they are able to interact with our physical dimension.

Energetic Parasites

If one supposes that there exist more subtle layers of reality as we do, then one would expect that there also exist within those more subtle layers of reality parasitic entities and various kinds of pests just like we find in our own material density. I suspect that many ghosts are such pests and energetic parasites which find ways to interact with us in the physical world since most hauntings are clearly traumatic and resemble harassment. It is possible that those entities somehow feed off of our energy. That might be why they seek our attention through apparitions and poltergeist activity. I also suspect that some of those entities might be able to take the form of humans, animals and our deceased relatives in order to provoke a stronger response.

Densified Thoughtforms

In occultism thoughtforms are entities which are created by people's collective mental activity and exist on the astral plane. Some thoughtforms can become so powerful that they take on a life of their own. In Tibet some monks claim to be able to consciously create their own thoughtforms where they are known as Tulpas. I am aware of a theory that what we tend to call ghosts are in fact particularly powerful thoughtforms that have taken on a life of their own and gained enough energy to appear to us or interact with physical objects. From what I've read this can happen when somebody dies in tragic circumstances. All of the immense grief and negative energy caused by their untimely death can create a thoughtform which then in turn haunts the place of the tragedy and the people associated with the victim. This might have been what happened with the widow of our friend who committed suicide. She reported seeing apparitions of him, objects moving and electronics spontaneously switching themselves on (including our friend's music sound system) in the months after his departure. It is possible that a thoughtform created by the negative energy left behind by the tragic incident became dense enough to project our friend's image and mess around with things in the house.

I also suspect that other kinds of apparitions witnessed in mass such as Virgin apparitions in Catholic countries and La Llorona in Latin American countries are the densified thoughtforms which are sustained by popular belief in those things and created by the mental energy associated with that popular belief and which appear in seemingly physical form from time to time in areas where the Catholic egregore or La Llorona legend are particularly strong.


Other points

Are Satan and biblical demons the cause of such apparitions and otherworldly phenomena or are they conversely thoughtforms themselves created by more unknown entities or forces? Something to consider.

Some alleged sightings might be visual hallucinations such as when somebody claims to have seen a shadow being which entered their field of vision for a split second but I don't think that this can explain all encounters. It cannot explain cases in which multiple people consistently experience the same phenomena in the same place or cases in which physical objects repeatedly move by themselves right in front of the witness' eyes. The "it must have been a hallucination" argument is just a copout by atheists so that they don't have to address any experience/phenomenon that contradicts their own worldview or recognize any level of reality beyond the immediate material.

[CaptainSkelebob]

@CaptainSkelebob

I've had multiple paranormal experiences myself. Some of these have involved poltergeist activity.

The first time this happened was when I was a teenager. One night strange footsteps which were abnormally loud entered my room. They started from near the door and slowly continued until the center where they suddenly stopped. I took a look but there was nobody there. Whatever made the footsteps had totally disappeared. I was scared shitless. Interestingly that incident occurred at a time when my own ma (who's not that much of a bitch, btw) was involved with some spiritualist church which claimed to communicate with spirits, and my brother and I were seeing strange figures in our house.

The second time that I witnessed poltergeist activity was when I was staying at a friend's house. I was lying on the sofa when, all of a sudden, I heard animal footsteps in the kitchen right next to the living room where I was. The animal footsteps were followed by licking sounds as though an animal were drinking from its bowl. Terrified, I got up from the sofa and ran into the bedroom where my friend was sleeping. I told him what I had heard and he said: "Don't worry! It happens all the time. It's just the ghost of the old dog!". I was so scared that I insisted on sleeping in the same bed as my friend. I told him that I didn't care that it was "gay".

Then, years later when I was living in Spain, I lived in a haunted house for a while. In that same house others had reported apparitions and poltergeist activity although they didn't tell me until later because I was a lodger and they didn't want to scare me away. Anyway, I began to see strange orbs in my room and they used to freak me out. Later the owner of the house confessed to me that the place was indeed haunted and told me about some of the paranormal happenings that were confirmed by other witnesses.

I personally believe that the things that we call ghosts are unknown interdimensional entities which are at times able to interact with our physical dimension and harass us in various ways. I believe that they are entirely negative and haunt places when people inadvertently open up gateways through practices such as spiritism and dark forms of occultism.

You don't need to see your own experience as contradictory to your scientific worldview. A true scientific thinker is curious about the world in which he inhabits and open-mindedly inquires after all phenomena. He is not limited by narrow ideologies of how the world is supposed to be.

I aint messed about with occultism and all that garbage.... I dont even believe in any of that stuff and just see it all as a distraction from banging hot babes...
I honestly dont know what I saw but it was fkin weird...
The storys you shared were interesting anyway
I think the shadow ppl are also just part of evolution ect I dont think they are supernatural but they exist alongside us
I really dont know!
Ive always been a man of science and never had much time for hokus pokus or any of that other stuff you mentioned

[CaptainSkelebob]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

Were you involved in the occult-- doing seances or playing with an ouija board, or saying bloody Mary in the mirror, or other occultic stuff? Maybe palm reading, or something you did not take seriously and you did it? It could be someone who lived there previously was into that sort of thing. Those things seem to attract demons. A lot of the alien stuff is occultic, and talking about it seems to detect demonic presences.

I wonder if you sinful disrespect for your mother was enough to attract demons also.

Nah!! I think all that stuff is BS
Always been a man of science and never gave much of a crap about pretending to be a wizard....
I dont know how to occultism
Aliens??? What have aliens got to do with shadow ppl??? I dont think it was aliens
My ma is a bitch!! Im just been honest!!!
If anything I would of thought she would drive demons away.
The woman is insuffarable

[CaptainSkelebob]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

f**k you Captain. Where were you when I fought in the Flat Earth Thread? You said you are a physics guy but you did not help me with your big brain.

Anyway regarding ghosts and shit. Our primate brain does a lot of weird shit. Stay in a cold dark room and watch horror movies and than go into the forest. Naturally you will be afraid and imagine stupid shit. So most of the things I guess have an explanation though everything is possible even the impossible. That is what we learned from Tom Cruise

What do you mean f**k you captain???!
You really need someone to help you and back you up in a thread debating with those scientifically illiterate fools who believe the earth is flat??
Need me to hold your dick when you need a piss as well???
As for the rest of what you said I wasnt scared or anything like that...
I was not afraid and there was nothing to trigger a neurological response like that
It was just a normal day
I called my ma a bitch because she wouldnt stfu about some dumb crap and then I went upstairs and saw some weird shadow men

[CaptainSkelebob]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

I've only ever seen a ghost once in my life. My grandfather died when I was about 2 years old, so I don't really remember him that well at all. But I do know what he looked like thanks to photographs and such. Well one time when I was a teenager I saw him walking up the stairs. He looked into my bedroom and then walked out of view and I never saw him again.

A friend of mine had a recent negative encounter with malevolent beings similar to what you described. She woke up paralysed with shadow beings standing around her bed. One was a man with a hat on, one was a really tall woman and the other she described as looking like a humanoid lizard.

Another friend of mine was attacked after waking by some old hag who swore she would take his life at a later time, she disappeared shortly after.

You are right that people have talked about this kind of thing for years. It is usually dismissed today as sleep paralysis, a scientific explanation offered to explain these encounters away as hallucinations. It's just strange that a lot of these hallucinations always involve similar beings. The Hat Man is a regular malevolent being who makes everyone who has ever encountered him very uncomfortable.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84J7YYbT9vI[/youtube]
This is a video about shadow people and the Hat Man.


roll online
This is the image associated with the old hag who sits on people's chests. People used to say it was a demon, but in more recent years the apparition changed into an old hag instead. There must be some correlation between all these accounts.

Those of you who have commented so far:
@CaptainSkelebob
@Lucas88
@MrMan
What do you think these sightings or ghostly apparitions really are?

1. Ghosts or Evil Spirits that haunt the living and siphon energy from those they harass? Sort of like energetic parasites which evoke certain emotions and feed from the energy of these emotions.

2. Echoes from the Akashic Records which play out sort of like a projector where these apparitions repeat things they did during life.

3. Demonic Entities from biblical theology which serve Satan and harass the living children of God.

4. Psychological hallucinations which are nothing but images created by the human brain to project that which we fear. Basically the Sleep Paralysis argument.

5. Aliens or interdimensional beings which can telepathically take on the form of whatever they choose like the old hag or lost loved ones etc?

Does anyone else have any theories as to what these ghosts or paranormal entities are in addition to those I suggested? Which of the above do you believe to be true and why? Or do you think it could be a combination of a few of the above? Interested to hear what you guys think.

Whatever they are they certainly inspire fear into the living, whether this is intentional or not, because we know there is something unnatural and creepy about such apparitions. I am a proponent of the reincarnation theory so the idea of the dead being ghosts doomed to wander the earth aimlessly isn't congruent with that theory... I personally think they are a combination of all of the above. I will explain why in a later post.

But @CaptainSkelebob I think the questions asked by both @Lucas88 and @MrMan are relevant in addressing the issue you mentioned. Particularly because negative energy can attract such negative energetic parasites into your home. Issues with your mother? Strange practices like ouija boards or anything like that?

That image you shared is a famous 1 that ive seen before!
Mammy issues??? That supposed to be funny???
I dont believe in sky fairies or demons or any of that other fairy tale biblical shite!
I believe in science
I believe in reason
The explainations you offered are mostly nonsense in my opinion.... I mean WTF are the akashic records
If anything I think 1 (at an absolute freakin push!!) Or most likely 4! But even 4 makes no sense as im a normal intelligent guy and always have been
And I wasn't asleep or recently woken up so it couldnt be sleep paralysis
You think it is all of the things you mentioned at once??? Im not even going to pretend I understand some of the things you waffle on about

[MrMan]

So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

I've only ever seen a ghost once in my life. My grandfather died when I was about 2 years old, so I don't really remember him that well at all. But I do know what he looked like thanks to photographs and such. Well one time when I was a teenager I saw him walking up the stairs. He looked into my bedroom and then walked out of view and I never saw him again.

A friend of mine had a recent negative encounter with malevolent beings similar to what you described. She woke up paralysed with shadow beings standing around her bed. One was a man with a hat on, one was a really tall woman and the other she described as looking like a humanoid lizard.

Another friend of mine was attacked after waking by some old hag who swore she would take his life at a later time, she disappeared shortly after.

You are right that people have talked about this kind of thing for years. It is usually dismissed today as sleep paralysis, a scientific explanation offered to explain these encounters away as hallucinations. It's just strange that a lot of these hallucinations always involve similar beings. The Hat Man is a regular malevolent being who makes everyone who has ever encountered him very uncomfortable.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=84J7YYbT9vI[/youtube]
This is a video about shadow people and the Hat Man.


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This is the image associated with the old hag who sits on people's chests. People used to say it was a demon, but in more recent years the apparition changed into an old hag instead. There must be some correlation between all these accounts.

Those of you who have commented so far:
@CaptainSkelebob
@Lucas88
@MrMan
What do you think these sightings or ghostly apparitions really are?

1. Ghosts or Evil Spirits that haunt the living and siphon energy from those they harass? Sort of like energetic parasites which evoke certain emotions and feed from the energy of these emotions.

2. Echoes from the Akashic Records which play out sort of like a projector where these apparitions repeat things they did during life.

3. Demonic Entities from biblical theology which serve Satan and harass the living children of God.

4. Psychological hallucinations which are nothing but images created by the human brain to project that which we fear. Basically the Sleep Paralysis argument.

5. Aliens or interdimensional beings which can telepathically take on the form of whatever they choose like the old hag or lost loved ones etc?

Does anyone else have any theories as to what these ghosts or paranormal entities are in addition to those I suggested? Which of the above do you believe to be true and why? Or do you think it could be a combination of a few of the above? Interested to hear what you guys think.

Whatever they are they certainly inspire fear into the living, whether this is intentional or not, because we know there is something unnatural and creepy about such apparitions. I am a proponent of the reincarnation theory so the idea of the dead being ghosts doomed to wander the earth aimlessly isn't congruent with that theory... I personally think they are a combination of all of the above. I will explain why in a later post.

But @CaptainSkelebob I think the questions asked by both @Lucas88 and @MrMan are relevant in addressing the issue you mentioned. Particularly because negative energy can attract such negative energetic parasites into your home. Issues with your mother? Strange practices like ouija boards or anything like that?

That image you shared is a famous 1 that ive seen before!
Mammy issues??? That supposed to be funny???
I dont believe in sky fairies or demons or any of that other fairy tale biblical shite!
I believe in science
I believe in reason
The explainations you offered are mostly nonsense in my opinion.... I mean WTF are the akashic records
If anything I think 1 (at an absolute freakin push!!) Or most likely 4! But even 4 makes no sense as im a normal intelligent guy and always have been
And I wasn't asleep or recently woken up so it couldnt be sleep paralysis
You think it is all of the things you mentioned at once??? Im not even going to pretend I understand some of the things you waffle on about

Your experience does not seem to conform to what you consider to be 'science.' Science makes use of observation. I don't think you are a man of science. Maybe your religion/philosophy is scientism. That's different from science. Scientism is not based on any kind of scientific evidence. It is a totally unproven assertion that everything can be proven by science, along with various other materialistic assumptions about the nature of the universe.

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Your experience does not seem to conform to what you consider to be 'science.' Science makes use of observation. I don't think you are a man of science. Maybe your religion/philosophy is scientism. That's different from science. Scientism is not based on any kind of scientific evidence. It is a totally unproven assertion that everything can be proven by science, along with various other materialistic assumptions about the nature of the universe.

I agree with you. Recently some scientists made a discovery with the James Webb telescope which throws the whole Big Bang cosmology into the air. Since the findings were published though the scientists in question have been discredited and their discoveries have been relegated to "pseudo science"

https://iai.tv/articles/the-big-bang-di ... -auid-2215

I also think CaptainSkelebob's belief is inconsistent. If science is all about observation and empiricism then CaptainSkelebob has been forced to confront the existence of something science cannot explain. And even then he explains that overworldly encounter away and reasons that these beings are also part of evolution and materialism. He's made them fit into his worldview and it doesn't work.

This is the problem with Atheism and they don't even realise it, but Atheism is just a religion of anti-religion. They're just as dogmatic as they purport Christians to be, if not more so.

@CaptainSkelebob you need to accept that what you saw was some otherworldly and unnatural. The fact that you saw these shadow beings whilst awake demonstrates that these shadow beings are actually a real phenomenon and not restricted to hallucinogenic episodes brought about by sleep paralysis.

What do you think these sightings or ghostly apparitions really are?

1. Ghosts or Evil Spirits that haunt the living and siphon energy from those they harass? Sort of like energetic parasites which evoke certain emotions and feed from the energy of these emotions.

2. Echoes from the Akashic Records which play out sort of like a projector where these apparitions repeat things they did during life.

3. Demonic Entities from biblical theology which serve Satan and harass the living children of God.

4. Psychological hallucinations which are nothing but images created by the human brain to project that which we fear. Basically the Sleep Paralysis argument.

5. Aliens or interdimensional beings which can telepathically take on the form of whatever they choose like the old hag or lost loved ones etc?

Does anyone else have any theories as to what these ghosts or paranormal entities are in addition to those I suggested? Which of the above do you believe to be true and why? Or do you think it could be a combination of a few of the above? Interested to hear what you guys think.

I am currently of the view that most ghostly phenomena are either the work of unknown energetic parasites of an extradimensional origin or are densified thoughtforms that have grown so powerful that they are able to interact with our physical dimension.

Energetic Parasites

If one supposes that there exist more subtle layers of reality as we do, then one would expect that there also exist within those more subtle layers of reality parasitic entities and various kinds of pests just like we find in our own material density. I suspect that many ghosts are such pests and energetic parasites which find ways to interact with us in the physical world since most hauntings are clearly traumatic and resemble harassment. It is possible that those entities somehow feed off of our energy. That might be why they seek our attention through apparitions and poltergeist activity. I also suspect that some of those entities might be able to take the form of humans, animals and our deceased relatives in order to provoke a stronger response.

Densified Thoughtforms

In occultism thoughtforms are entities which are created by people's collective mental activity and exist on the astral plane. Some thoughtforms can become so powerful that they take on a life of their own. In Tibet some monks claim to be able to consciously create their own thoughtforms where they are known as Tulpas. I am aware of a theory that what we tend to call ghosts are in fact particularly powerful thoughtforms that have taken on a life of their own and gained enough energy to appear to us or interact with physical objects. From what I've read this can happen when somebody dies in tragic circumstances. All of the immense grief and negative energy caused by their untimely death can create a thoughtform which then in turn haunts the place of the tragedy and the people associated with the victim. This might have been what happened with the widow of our friend who committed suicide. She reported seeing apparitions of him, objects moving and electronics spontaneously switching themselves on (including our friend's music sound system) in the months after his departure. It is possible that a thoughtform created by the negative energy left behind by the tragic incident became dense enough to project our friend's image and mess around with things in the house.

I also suspect that other kinds of apparitions witnessed in mass such as Virgin apparitions in Catholic countries and La Llorona in Latin American countries are the densified thoughtforms which are sustained by popular belief in those things and created by the mental energy associated with that popular belief and which appear in seemingly physical form from time to time in areas where the Catholic egregore or La Llorona legend are particularly strong.


Other points

Are Satan and biblical demons the cause of such apparitions and otherworldly phenomena or are they conversely thoughtforms themselves created by more unknown entities or forces? Something to consider.

Some alleged sightings might be visual hallucinations such as when somebody claims to have seen a shadow being which entered their field of vision for a split second but I don't think that this can explain all encounters. It cannot explain cases in which multiple people consistently experience the same phenomena in the same place or cases in which physical objects repeatedly move by themselves right in front of the witness' eyes. The "it must have been a hallucination" argument is just a copout by atheists so that they don't have to address any experience/phenomenon that contradicts their own worldview or recognize any level of reality beyond the immediate material.

These are both good explanations @Lucas88 I definitely think there is more to it than the "oh I must have been hallucinating" dismissive argument.

Energetic Parasites
I agree and I've always had this theory as well. Since everything at its most fundamental level is energy and reality is much more complex than what people realise. This is what I meant in my first example of what I believe ghosts to be. Remember when I said I saw my grandfather at the top of the stairs? I believe I never saw him again after that because I didn't have any emotional reaction to the ghosts presence at all. In other words, I was off the menu as a free meal ticket for these ghosts or energetic parasites.

I think that they vet stronger the more they feed. So to start with they are limited to appearing as a shimmering silhouette or they might be strong enough to take on the form of a lost loved one. The more they feed from different kinds of energy the stronger they become so that eventually they can interact with the physical world by moving things or in some cases actually physically assaulting those they torment.

Densified Thoughtforms
This is an interesting one and a pretty unique perspective. There aren't many people who know what densified thoughtforms are. They are the materialisation of sustained ideas and they become so powerful they take on a life of their own.

Shadow beings and the old hag and all these other otherworldly sightings could well be densified thoughtforms that have gained enough power through collective mental egregores that they have taken on a life of their own.

This becomes more feasible when you realise that reality is mental, and consciousness is the only thing which we can determine is real. Things like Christianity and other religions are also egregores which could gain enough mental energy to manifest such sightings like the one you mentioned. So this is a perfectly plausible hypothesis.

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So fellas!!
Im a proud man of science. In a world filled with madness and confusion I like to see myself as a foothold for reason.
As probly the only sane member of this forum and advocate of the scientific method I would like some of your opinions on something that happened a while back....
When I was a teenager I was living at home with my ma (who is a bitch btw!!!)
And I remember this one day I was walking upstairs to my room and I saw a vortex open up at the top of the stairs!! Some strange thing came out, best thing I can describe it as was a kind of demon..... followed by some strange shadow men.....
After a few seconds all of it vanished and I was left mulling over the ordeal with a sense of confusion and disbelief.....
How can I reconcile with such an encounter when I am a complete atheist and dont even believe in this kind of thing.....
A few days later my mum found my porn collection and I swear blind it was because of those demon things whatever they are
Theres also been occasions of things moving by themselfs in the house. A spoon clincked into a cup by the sink. Books moved across the shelves, a glass flew off the table by itself and doors opened and closed by themselves. There were footsteps in the hallway and it all started after I saw the vortex and this continued for months....
Even my ma saw things as well, even tho she is a dumb wench
Then all of a sudden one day the activity stopped....
What do you fellas recon? Even tho I am 100% atheist and scientific I cant denie what I saw with my own eyes. The only explaination I have is that these things are also products of evolution and torment ppl unseen.... aint ppl talked about this shite for 100s of years???

Experiencing events that cannot be (easily) explained by today's scientific knowledge doesn't mean you need to drop your beliefs in science, or the scientific method.

Is your family house close to electrical power generation or distribution infrastructure? Maybe a power substation next door, or large electrical wires nearby? It has been proven that strong electromagnetic fields that build up in the proximity of residential dwellings may alter normal brain functioning, provoking hallucinations and strong alterations of your perception (including the sense of being followed, or someone being breathing behind your back). Another real, yet rarer and rarer, phenomenon is that provoked by low-frequency stationary waves that form inside long architectural structures like corridors, or even rooms. These waves resonate at the frequency of our retinas and inner ear structures, provoking visual and auditive hallucinations like globes of light that move quickly, or "non-human" noises.

Then there's another more controversial, yet mildly plausible, theory that speculates on the effects of large build-ups of static electricity over time. I remember reading a book many years ago, about some scientists who experimented with large (for the times) electrostatic generators. They basically keep these large machines operating in their basements for several days. Initially, nothing was happening, then all of a sudden they started to experience strange phenomena in the house. Strange smells of unknown origin localised in parts of the house, down to bonafide poltergeist events, such as books and other objects flying in circles or hitting the ceiling and remaining half-air. If I remember well, there was even one occurrence of an object that was moved from one room to another. Their explanation was that the electrostatic energy, in large quantities, might interfere with the fabric of spacetime, allowing objects to behave in "un-physical" way and even entities from other dimensions crossing over to ours.

Maybe, one day, mainstream science will be able to explain these phenomena. For now, the money is on understanding how to screw each other up socially, financially and morally.