The Truth Behind Islam

[fschmidt]

I see it differently. I see it about how the situation is today.

How the situation is today at the government/political level isn't that relevant. Islam is only now emerging from the chaos caused by them being conquered by the West. To put it simply, their current governments suck. But this doesn't reflect the internal state of the religion which is dynamic. Politics tends to follow religion, so as the religion recovers, the governments will improve. Islam is recovering while Christianity is only decaying. I don't know enough about Buddhism to comment on it, but I have never seen any evidence that Buddhism is a strong force against feminism. (When I was in Tibet, I did see that Buddhism there was relatively unaffected by liberal degeneracy, but I couldn't tell if this was the result of isolation or resistance.)

[Yohan]

Islam is only now emerging from the chaos caused by them being conquered by the West. To put it simply, their current governments suck. But this doesn't reflect the internal state of the religion which is dynamic. Politics tends to follow religion, so as the religion recovers, the governments will improve.

To claim that the West did 'conquered' Islam is a bit over the top. The West, if we talk about Europe and its history was seriously attacked by Turks up to Austria - and Arabs attacked plenty of ships and sent all people they could capture into slavery.
If you want to talk about Iraq, it was not USA which was starting the conflict, it was Iraq, which conquered Kuwait. This was causing Saudi Arabia and some other Muslim countries to pay USA millions of USD to remove Saddam from Kuwait.

Now the so-called 'Islamic State' is even too much to tolerate for Muslim countries. Muslims are fighting against Muslims.

Islam is recovering while Christianity is only decaying. I don't know enough about Buddhism to comment on it, but I have never seen any evidence that Buddhism is a strong force against feminism. (When I was in Tibet, I did see that Buddhism there was relatively unaffected by liberal degeneracy, but I couldn't tell if this was the result of isolation or resistance.)

I do not see any recovery of Islam, what do you mean with that? Most ordinary Muslim people are rather poor and depend on help from the West, but so far I see no peace, not even among Muslims themselves.

In SouthEastAsia Christianity-orientated Philippines is frequently attacked by Islamists, despite Muslims have their own provinces in the southern part of the country.

About Buddhism, Thailand is also attacked by Islamists since years, and now even Myanmar has to be active to protect its Buddhist state against Muslims.

China also has its Muslim problem, mainly in Northwest of the country, but China knows how to regulate it.

Here in Japan, this is a Buddhist country, Islam is rejected by the huge majority of its population. Japan is also strongly against immigration, there are not many Muslims living here and most of them are foreigners.

Africa has also problems with Muslims, ships are attacked by Somali pirates, all of them Muslims, Kenya was also attacked by Islamists, and even impoverished Central African Republic, a place with a huge Christian majority was attacked by Muslims but people are now fighting back.

I really ask, who is conquering who? It seems Muslims are entering places of Western value, and not the other way.

[Adama]

I feel sorry for some of those who grew up Muslim. As for anyone who has not grown up Muslim, it is clear that Islam is anti-life, anti-freedom, and basically turns life into prison.

The God of the Bible is nothing like this. The only similar thing in the Bible is that women are supposed to wear dresses and have long hair, and they are not supposed to be pastors. Likewise men are supposed to have short hair and wear pants (the clothing appropriate for their gender to distinguish from the other). That's hardly a hardship and neither does it take away life. But Islam is beyond extreme and stifles life.

And people think of Islam as some awesome religion, when Islam is propped up by countries of great wealth, such as Saudi Arabia. If a religion has Saudi Arabia behind it, which sets a very hard anti-woman stance, then of course the rest of Islam can also adopt an anti-feminism stance: they have Saudi Arabia behind them as a hard standard.

Islam is not even really a religion. It's just a hateful ideology of Satan. It's closer to Bolshevism and Communism than religion.

[Yohan]

Islam allows freedom of religion

Let us see, if this is really true:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ailed.html

The super-rich ruler who stones gays, now bans Christmas: Sultan of Brunei threatens Muslims who celebrate it with up to five years in prison while Christians must keep theirs secret
Christmas trees, carols and even Santa hats are off in the Borneo nation
Muslims caught celebrating are threatened with up to five years in prison
The nation's non-Muslims are allowed to celebrate in their communities
But revealing their celebrations to Muslims would also lead to jail time


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lture.html

Islamic nation of Somalia follows Sultan of Brunei's example and bans Christmas celebrations because 'they are contrary to our culture'
Security forces primed to break-up festivities in the capital Mogadishu
Feared Christian events may provoke attacks by Al Shabaab terror group

Defiant Christians in the Middle East risk punishment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... -page.html
by posting festive photos on Facebook
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and Brunei ban publicly practising the faith.

[Yohan]

If a religion has Saudi Arabia behind it, which sets a very hard anti-woman stance, then of course the rest of Islam can also adopt an anti-feminism stance: they have Saudi Arabia behind them as a hard standard.

The main problem I see with Islam is that its rules apply only to the poor, and never for the rich.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... bills.html

Luxury goods worth more than £11 million are to be seized from a Saudi princess to pay her shopping bills, a Paris judge ordered today.

Maha Al-Sudairi, who was once married to the country’s late Crown Prince, helped herself to millions of pounds worth of goods whenever she visited the French capital.

As well as art works and jewellery, they included £5,500 worth of luxury chocolates, and £1.4m on the hire of two Rolls Royce Phantoms and ‘around 30 chauffers’ to take her shopping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/ar ... runei.html

No trip to Brunei would be complete without visiting the Istana Nurul Imam, home of the sultan himself and the seat of Brunei government (effectively the sultan and his family).

We're not allowed inside on this day but as I peer in from the gate Nabil informs me it contains 1788 rooms, a 110-car garage, a stable for the sultan's 200 polo ponies, five swimming pools and 350 toilets.

Then there is the matter of sharia. The strict Islamic law code - which includes flogging, stoning and amputation - is being phased in since its introduction in 2014.

And no discussion of Brunei could be complete without mentioning the playboy brother of Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah, Prince Jefri.

Prince Jefri has gained notoriety for his harems of beautiful women, his flotilla of luxury yachts including a boat named "Tits" and his alleged misappropriation of billions of dollars while he was finance minister.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Islam is one of the great scourges against mankind that must be defeated and wiped from the earth.

While it does recognize women from what they are really worth (or not worth), it is too much of a restraint on innovation, creativity and the human spirit.

I personally view Islam as an ideology cloaked in the garments of religion. Those garments are slowly being yanked away so the proverbial bloodletting can commence, and rightly so.

No religion is healthy for the thinking man, but Islam is downright toxic and dangerous to him. Reject it and fight it at all costs!

[Yohan]

While it does recognize women from what they are really worth (or not worth), it is too much of a restraint on innovation, creativity and the human spirit.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/973b2274-b ... ports.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/b ... xif=things

Muslim idiot woman...
She does not even know what is and what is not written in the Quran.

Brussels airport deports Danish woman wearing niqab

Belgian police deports the woman as she could not be identified after refusing to show her face
A law banning women from wearing the full-face veil, niqab, and burqa, which also covers the eyes, came into force in Belgium on July 23, 2011.

Women wearing full-face veils in public are subject to fines and can face up to seven days in jail in the country.

The funny point is that to cover the face is nowhere mentioned in the Quran.
To cover the face is not a requirement of Islam. This is merely an Arab custom of the past, to be protected against dust and sun while in the desert - some men of North African tribes also cover their faces.

Islam says only that women should dress modestly and cover their hair.
The huge majority of Muslim women never cover their face.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Islam says only that women should dress modestly and cover their hair.
The huge majority of Muslim women never cover their face.

Yes, Islam remains at war with itself (Shia versus Sunni) over things that are not or are not so clear in the Quran.

The greatest hope to fully destroy Islam is to increasingly pit them against each other and to destroy that which is left.

[Adama]

Let us destroy them through knowledge. Expose and teach people the real beliefs of that false prophet and his ungodly, reprobate religion.

[Winston]

MrPeabody: WHAT?! The muslims don't knock on the door & try to convert you, they kick in the door & slash your throat for being non-muslim. Look at Burma/Myanmar- people get killed in their doorway when these "misunderstood people" get all cranked-up at the mosque & go on killing spree. They were willing to travel to go get the Yazidis.

They're willing to get into a 12-man raft with 50 other people to get to another continent to annex & scam people that they aren't supposed to take aid from according to their religion that tells them to take over other cultures & transform it into their style of culture. THEIR religion says that everyone else is an enemy.

But I've never seen Muslims knock on doors in American neighborhoods like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses do. Why is that?

I dont get something else. How was Mohammed able to recruit any followers to Islam? I heard he never performed any miracles. So how was he able to get anyone to follow him passionately?

Also what religion did the Arabs have before Mohammed? Was it Zoroastrianism? Why wasnt Mohammed arrested for going against the traditional religions of the Arabs of his time?

[Yohan]

I dont get something else. How was Mohammed able to recruit any followers to Islam? I heard he never performed any miracles. So how was he able to get anyone to follow him passionately?

Also what religion did the Arabs have before Mohammed? Was it Zoroastrianism? Why wasnt Mohammed arrested for going against the traditional religions of the Arabs of his time?

There are a lot of good articles about your questions:

Simply said, Mohammed had a lot of enemies, there were many tribes fighting against each other and he was clever to unite some of them and became more and more powerful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

Links from there to more details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_ ... mic_Arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Medina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... by_Meccans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegira

[xtravel]

To claim that the West did 'conquered' Islam is a bit over the top.

Really?

What year is it?

[xtravel]

But I've never seen Muslims knock on doors in American neighborhoods like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses do. Why is that?

Muslims are playing the long game. They are out breeding gentiles. Once there are enough Muslims in a town, they control city council, and then there are the Muslim calls to prayer blasted through the streets all day. Once there are enough Muslims in a school district, they control the school board, and then Islam is taught in schools, and pork is off the school lunch menu. Once there are enough Muslims in a county, they control the board of supervisors, and then there are Sharia courts.

I dont get something else. How was Mohammed able to recruit any followers to Islam? I heard he never performed any miracles. So how was he able to get anyone to follow him passionately?

He converted an aging rich widow first. She was able to fund his gang's acquisition of weapons. People were attracted to his message the same way people were attracted to communists like Mao. The type of people attracted to Mohammed were the lowest on the social scale, with no chance to rise up, such as the younger sons of the wealthy who would inherit nothing, and foreigners who needed protection. Like Mao, he assembled an army from this rabble of society's losers. The first major conquest was Medina. Like ISIS today, the blood thirsty cult rolled over Arabia. Unlike ISIS, there was no coalition of European and American powers to combat it. The only civilization was the Eastern Roman Empire, it had its hands full dealing with the savages in Europe to the west and north. So the original Islamic state grew like a cancer until the Turks stopped it, by converting to the same religion.

Also what religion did the Arabs have before Mohammed? Was it Zoroastrianism?

Zoroastrianism was mostly in Persia. Arabia had Arab polytheism (the genies were examples of these deities), Judaism, and Christianity. When Mohammed decided to use religion to conquer the Arabs, he considered Judaism and Christianity, but rejected them because Arabs were unlikely to accept an outside religion. Instead he developed a religion that was derived from Judaism and Christianity. The descendants of the Christians and Jews in Arabia from Mohammed's time are still around, but in far fewer numbers, and are being systematically slaughtered.

Why wasnt Mohammed arrested for going against the traditional religions of the Arabs of his time?

Arrest wasn't the sheiks' style. They tried buying him off to shut him up.

[Yohan]

To claim that the West did 'conquered' Islam is a bit over the top.

Really?
What year is it?

Well, Christians in Europe did not 'conquer' Islam, but they were fighting back against the Islamic invasion and they did it very successfully in history.
The first time in 1529

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

They came again and Christians were fighting back again very successfully
The second time in 1683

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

Finally the Christian 'defenders' became the 'aggressors' and fighting it out once more - in a very cruel way - and were highly successful again.
The third time in 1697.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zenta

Austrian artillery targeted the Ottoman troops and slaughtered them. The left flank of the Imperial army attacked, penetrating between the Ottoman left flank and the bridge, cutting off their retreat. At the same time, Imperial forces attacked from the front and, after ferocious close-quarter fighting, broke through the trenches surrounding the Ottoman camp. Inside the camp, beyond the camp-wagons, the slaughter was terrible. Imperial soldiers pressed the attack relentlessly. Barely a thousand Ottoman soldiers escaped. More than 10,000 Ottoman troops drowned in the Tisa river. Up to 20,000 Ottoman soldiers were slaughtered on the battlefield

The battle resulted in a spectacular victory for Austria; at the cost of 500 men they had inflicted the loss of thousands of men, 87 cannons, the royal treasure chest and the state seal of the Ottoman Empire. According to Prinz Eugen (1960, biography) by Alexander Lernet-Holenia, the startled Austrians even captured a train of camels. The main Ottoman army was scattered...

[Yohan]

Muslims are playing the long game. They are out breeding gentiles. Once there are enough Muslims in a town, they control city council, and then there are the Muslim calls to prayer blasted through the streets all day. Once there are enough Muslims in a school district, they control the school board, and then Islam is taught in schools, and pork is off the school lunch menu. Once there are enough Muslims in a county, they control the board of supervisors, and then there are Sharia courts.

This is correct, a good summery. However this goes on only for a while, it takes time for tolerant people in Europe to understand that they, who welcome immgrants, are suddenly on the loser side facing a huge number of Muslims demanding 'special rights' and only for them without any intention to offer anything in return. Patience and tolerance is not unlimited.

A Muslim population of 15 percent created by immigrants over years gives already considerable headache for many locals who are living in many places in Europe. In general I would say, Muslim immigrants are not known to be grateful to the infidels who accepted them to live within their own country. Muslims try to control it and to transfer it into an Islamic State, finally banning your own cultural values.

In USA the number of Muslims is still very small, about 3 percent and they are facing already serious mistrust.
Islam is not a direct danger for USA, no way.

In some parts of Asia in countries which are of Buddhist or Christian majority, there is clearly resistance against Islam, there are frequent fightings in SriLanka, Myanmar, Thailand and the Philippines.