The Truth Behind Islam

[Wolfeye]

Anyone ever think obedience will end the world?

[fschmidt]

I have already answered Yohan's points, no use repeating myself. I will add that many Western government are quite intolerant, not permitting head coverings in school, etc.

But the overwhelming reason that I support Islam is because it is the only religion that I have seen with my own eyes that offers any real hope for the future. I have attended many different religious services and most are worthless. Traditional Anabaptists are good people but can only survive is rural areas. Western Buddhists are a joke. Muslims are the only people taking on modern culture directly.

Also, I feel free to speak my mind at the mosque like nowhere else in public. If I would publicly express my views anywhere else, I would be considered insane. Only in my home and in the mosque can I speak freely.

[xtravel]

To claim that the West did 'conquered' Islam is a bit over the top.

Really?
What year is it?

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Again, what year is it?

[xtravel]

I have already answered Yohan's points, no use repeating myself. I will add that many Western government are quite intolerant, not permitting head coverings in school, etc.

Do Western governments push Muslims off buildings the way Muslim governments push gays off buildings?

Do Muslim governments permit women to go without head / face coverings?

But the overwhelming reason that I support Islam is because it is the only religion that I have seen with my own eyes that offers any real hope for the future.

I suppose if you consider The Islamic State, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. to be hopeful places.

I will admit that the two Islamic countries I've spent any time in, Maldives and Indonesia, seem to be tolerant places (for the latter, my experience is limited to Bali, them Hindu gals like to bang), but I also know the Maldives would rather impose Sharia on the resorts than bank coin, and I also know Indonesia slaughtered Christians in East Timor after conquering it. East Timor has hope for the future today simply because Christendom launched a Crusade to eject Islamic occupiers.

I have attended many different religious services and most are worthless.

Indeed.

Muslims are the only people taking on modern culture directly.

True Muslims are the only people who want the world to revert to the 7th century. This is not a good thing.

Also, I feel free to speak my mind at the mosque like nowhere else in public. If I would publicly express my views anywhere else, I would be considered insane. Only in my home and in the mosque can I speak freely.

Would you please display this cartoon at your mosque, and report back?

[Yohan]

To claim Western governments are intolerant because they do not permit head covering in public schools is a ridiculous argument considering that any female who is not a Muslim in Islamic countries is forced to cover herself from head to feet in any public area.

While you are able to speak your mind within a mosque in USA, I wonder if it is possible for a non-Muslim to speak out of his or her religious opinion in a church (if existing!) in any Islamic country without being immediately arrested and accused of blasphemy, facing even the death penalty.

It is also interesting to notice, that only Islam today is threatening any Muslim - man or female - who is considering to leave the Islamic faith with murder.

The problem is simply said that Muslims do not tolerate any other religion or culture next to them but demand from people of other faith which they call derogatory to be 'infidels' or 'pagans' to respect them.

About the future of Islam in general, I am very sceptical, as so far there is not even one Islamic country which is economically advanced.

Many Muslims survive only because Western countries help them with all their very basic needs. The Islamic world is a chaos almost everywhere.
Some few places in Islam are ruled by super-rich despots, like Saudi Arabia or Brunei, totally unwilling to assist poor Muslims.

[Yohan]

To claim that the West did 'conquered' Islam is a bit over the top.

Really?
What year is it?

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Again, what year is it?

I am not sure, if this question is directed to me or to Fschmid, he was claiming that the West conquered Islam...
About which country, which date is Fschmidt talking? I have no idea.

I gave only a historical reference when Christianity in Europe was seriously threatened by Islam and was fighting it out on a large scale and successfully pushing back Islam to Turkey. Interesting that Turkey wants to become now an EU-member, but this is a rare case where all EU-countries stay firm and unified and always refused such a request.

[Yohan]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/25/asia/ ... index.html

I don't think you are living in a Muslim region in Southern Philippines right now.
Muslims are not causing problems in Western countries only. Christianity orientated Philippines is also a target, despite Muslims have their own territories.
Try to go to Southern Mindanao if you think Muslims are so friendly to foreigners - some stupid Western people did that, they were kidnapped and beheaded.

Myanmar too, Thailand too, Sri Lanka too are attacked by Muslims all the time.

Muslim rebels entered even Eastern Malaysia in Sandakan and Tawau bothering locals and kidnapped people from resort hotels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_bor ... s_in_Sabah

[Contrarian Expatriate]

The only Muslim men that cause any trouble in the West, are Westernized young, unmarried men. They drink, they sleep around, and they get into gangs and brawls. Some become pimps, luring young Western women into the sex trade. A lot of the ISIS bombers, upon closer inspection, come from a similar background... their families weren't particularly conservative, they sort of broke away from their faith. They lived the Western party boy lifestyle. And at some point, suffered an identity crisis and fled away in extremism. These weren't the type of guys who went to mosque every week and prayed five times a day, consistently. It's the Western world that brings out the worst in young Muslims. And it's Western interference in their countries of origin that caused 99% of their resentment towards the Western world.

Muslim men in the Middle East kill mostly other Muslims. Mothers and families encourage young men to accept martrdom for their great reward (which is a lie in the end.)

But much of why I do not like Muslims is only 50% because of their religious programming. The other 50% is their Middle Eastern mentality.

In my encounters with Muslims abroad, they tend to be very pushy, rude, and inpatient. They try to cut in front of me in queues or try to get waited on before me even after I have been waiting before them. They try to elbow their way into others' physical space in public as a show of invasive dominance, but they back away when you stand your ground.

They are also not very intelligent people on the whole. They tend to view the world threw the eyes of children and are quick to anger if you don't agree with them or wish to interact with them.

Much of this is due to culture, but most of it is due to the average low IQ in the Middle East. Moreover, the rate of inbreeding is EPIC in the Middle East and this depresses IQ also.

When I am abroad, I see affluent families walking where the obesity and behavior rivals that of low-class Americans. Again, I would take a Bosnian, Caucasus, or Albanian Muslim any day over a Middle Eastern non-Muslim. It is about cultural sensibilities and intelligence!

[Adama]

Some American Jews doesn't seem to understand, that they and their families would probably be among the first to go, if the USA ever became a majority Muslim country. Nobody is on the Islamic friends' list. NOBODY. They hate everyone that is not exactly like them, including making war among themselves, and not limited to just philosophical arguments.

Also, I wouldn't take some things spoken by some people too seriously. A poster on this thread regularly boasts about how he would like to see humanity destroyed. Then he goes on to say he wants to use religion to save humanity, and especially one of the most violent religions that exists in the world today!

Honor killings? Amputations? These don't demonstrate what will happen if they get their way?

And who in their right mind wants a woman to cover her head and hair with a hajab burqa?

It is not a religion. There is no freedom where Islam dominates. It's an anti-life ideology, worse than communism.

The sad thing is that the Ashkenazi elitists are going to use them to destroy the West.

[Wolfeye]

Islam has a variation of "survival of the fittest" mentality- which means "death to everything that's not the best." Which means, if the thinker is the best, death for everything or at least everyone else. If they're NOT the best, it means death for them. America frequently has this undertone, as well- always walking around with the "red pencil" & figuring out what's bad or what they have an absolute right to influence.

I'll admit, I can be a "find the loophole/fault" type of person sometimes, but that's just a product of my trying to counteract people going after whatever they deemed an imperfection. For example, in my younger years, seeming anything but angry was seen as something to go after (including happiness, not just fear or sadness like usual with boys). So when I'm looking at someone laugh or run up to someone happily, I sometimes think some version or another "Oh, shit- watch out!" I realize this isn't necessarily the case & I always recognized the wrong of someone doing things like that, but it was picked up in the formative years as a learned "how-to" & a general pace. It takes time for THAT sort of thing to be smoothed-out. It takes something else to institute & continue it, however unofficially they do that.

[Yohan]

Nobody is on the Islamic friends' list. NOBODY. They hate everyone that is not exactly like them, including making war among themselves, and not limited to just philosophical arguments.
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one of the most violent religions that exists in the world today!
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Honor killings? Amputations?
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a woman to cover her head and hair with a hijab, burqa?

It is not a religion. There is no freedom where Islam dominates. It's an anti-life ideology

I am surprised that this is a comment from Adama - I fully agree with him. What he writes is true.

I expected him to find a 'little excuse' 'a bit of understandings' for Islam, as it comes out from the same area, using some elements from the Thora and Bible... but this seems not be the case.

Let me add, there are some more elements of Islam I openly reject,

one of it is 'apostasy' - you decide to leave the Islamic faith - either for an other religion or becoming an atheist - and all Muslims worldwide are encouraged to kill you.

another one is 'blasphemy' - you are anyway an infidel and you say something about Islam what a Muslim does not want to hear, you might spend years in jail, even beheaded or even lynched by the Muslim mob.

Interesting to hear that a Muslim man can approach any infidel woman anytime and she needs not to convert to Islam, there is even the option to classify her as a pagan slave-girl and to rape her. - Nice also to hear that the infidel man has not such an option. Any Muslim girl is for him out of question.

I am against any gender separation - men and women should be able to talk directly to each other.
No other religion except Islam has such a strange restriction.

[Adama]

Nobody is on the Islamic friends' list. NOBODY. They hate everyone that is not exactly like them, including making war among themselves, and not limited to just philosophical arguments.
.....
one of the most violent religions that exists in the world today!
.....
Honor killings? Amputations?
.....
a woman to cover her head and hair with a hijab, burqa?

It is not a religion. There is no freedom where Islam dominates. It's an anti-life ideology

I am surprised that this is a comment from Adama - I fully agree with him. What he writes is true.

I expected him to find a 'little excuse' 'a bit of understandings' for Islam, as it comes out from the same area, using some elements from the Thora and Bible... but this seems not be the case.

Let me add, there are some more elements of Islam I openly reject,

one of it is 'apostasy' - you decide to leave the Islamic faith - either for an other religion or becoming an atheist - and all Muslims worldwide are encouraged to kill you.

another one is 'blasphemy' - you are anyway an infidel and you say something about Islam what a Muslim does not want to hear, you might spend years in jail, even beheaded or even lynched by the Muslim mob.

Interesting to hear that a Muslim man can approach any infidel woman anytime and she needs not to convert to Islam, there is even the option to classify her as a pagan slave-girl and to rape her. - Nice also to hear that the infidel man has not such an option. Any Muslim girl is for him out of question.

I am against any gender separation - men and women should be able to talk directly to each other.
No other religion except Islam has such a strange restriction.

It's not a religion, Yohan. It's an anti-life ideology of slavery and death that makes Bolshevism look like a joke. All under the guise of righteousness. This is plain for all to see.

Just because someone has labeled a death-cult a religion, it doesn't make it a religion.

And I know for some reason people lump Christianity, Judaism and Islam together, as "people of the book," but Islam has nothing to do with Christianity. Muslims deny Christ as the Son of God, stating that God cannot have a Son (as if there is something an all powerful God can't do and wouldn't do for His people in love). Islam is violence, slavery, and death.

They can enslave infidel women? When did God ever say that? Islam calls for amputations? When did God ever approve of that? God never said that, because those are evil things to do to other people, and above all, God wants us to live in peace, and not the lip service fake peace Islam talks about, but true peace where we do not cause other people sorrow.

[Yohan]

It's not a religion

It's an anti-life ideology of slavery and death
All under the guise of righteousness

And I know for some reason people lump Christianity, Judaism and Islam together, as "people of the book," but Islam has nothing to do with Christianity.

I am also sceptical to call Islam a 'religion' - it is more like a guideline of a political system, about how to create a new one-party state...based on very strange values, often on very cruel values.

Except Islam, no other religion I know is doing this.

However it is true that the Quran is partially based on Judaism and Christianity, maybe 2/3 of the Quran are quite the same text as the Thora and the Bible.

It is also said, that Christianity was similar intolerant against any other religion, was forcing people into slavery and so on, but this all happened hundreds of years ago, this is a part of the past. Nowadays this is not the case anymore.

About Islam, I often noticed that it seems to be very materialistic orientated. It's about super-rich people who are openly misusing poor people, who have no consideration and compassion for anybody else. About super-rich people who have a lavish life-style in countries of the infidels, while poor people living in slums under terrible conditions in so-called Islamic Kingdoms or Islamic Republics.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

It's not a religion. It's an anti-life ideology of slavery and death that makes Bolshevism look like a joke. All under the guise of righteousness. This is plain for all to see.

Just because someone has labeled a death-cult a religion, it doesn't make it a religion.

And I know for some reason people lump Christianity, Judaism and Islam together, as "people of the book," but Islam has nothing to do with Christianity. Muslims deny Christ as the Son of God, stating that God cannot have a Son (as if there is something an all powerful God can't do and wouldn't do for His people in love). Islam is violence, slavery, and death.

They can enslave infidel women? When did God ever say that? Islam calls for amputations? When did God ever approve of that? God never said that, because those are evil things to do to other people, and above all, God wants us to live in peace, and not the lip service fake peace Islam talks about, but true peace where we do not cause other people sorrow.

Quite ironic coming from you because many others see Christianity just as you see Islam.

Christianity is but an Ideology also. But instead of subjugating women with obligation, it subjugates men with the same. Just look at the Promise Keepers movement that Christians came up with to re-enslave Christian men as servants and beasts of burden. Christianity is therefore the other side of the same coin.

And for all your "Christianity is Peace" nonsense, you should read up on Christianity's role in history and how it caused others to suffer greatly. From The Church's murderous campaign of the Inquisition where they butchered those it considered inconvenient heretics, to The Church's moral sanction of the African Slave Trade to Christianize the heathens, to Crusades slaughtering of those they considered pagans and unbelievers, to the American protestant churches roles in encouraging and legitimizing racial segregation.

To hell with Christianity as well as other ideologies masquerading as spiritual belief systems.

[MrPeabody]

All organized religions are large Ponzi schemes whose primary purpose is to amass power and wealth for a corrupt few. The corruption in Christianity is just over the top, especially protestant evangelical. I actually think the pagans have a good idea. All you need to do to be spiritual is on the full moon you go out to a grove and dance around in a circle while giving thanks to nature. And keep it small. Anything over 10 people is evil. The one advantage of Islam IS political: Islam will destroy crime and feminism.