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Adama wrote: It's not a religion. It's an anti-life ideology of slavery and death that makes Bolshevism look like a joke. All under the guise of righteousness. This is plain for all to see.

Just because someone has labeled a death-cult a religion, it doesn't make it a religion.

And I know for some reason people lump Christianity, Judaism and Islam together, as "people of the book," but Islam has nothing to do with Christianity. Muslims deny Christ as the Son of God, stating that God cannot have a Son (as if there is something an all powerful God can't do and wouldn't do for His people in love). Islam is violence, slavery, and death.

They can enslave infidel women? When did God ever say that? Islam calls for amputations? When did God ever approve of that? God never said that, because those are evil things to do to other people, and above all, God wants us to live in peace, and not the lip service fake peace Islam talks about, but true peace where we do not cause other people sorrow.
Quite ironic coming from you because many others see Christianity just as you see Islam.

Christianity is but an Ideology also. But instead of subjugating women with obligation, it subjugates men with the same. Just look at the Promise Keepers movement that Christians came up with to re-enslave Christian men as servants and beasts of burden. Christianity is therefore the other side of the same coin.

And for all your "Christianity is Peace" nonsense, you should read up on Christianity's role in history and how it caused others to suffer greatly. From The Church's murderous campaign of the Inquisition where they butchered those it considered inconvenient heretics, to The Church's moral sanction of the African Slave Trade to Christianize the heathens, to Crusades slaughtering of those they considered pagans and unbelievers, to the American protestant churches roles in encouraging and legitimizing racial segregation.

To hell with Christianity as well as other ideologies masquerading as spiritual belief systems.
The way to eternal life truly is narrow my friend. Most Christians are Christians in name only, and they haven't found the narrow path. Only those who have found the narrow path are the true Christians. The true Christians don't have a pope and they aren't organized. So all the things you blame Christians for are not the fault of true Christians, but instead they are simply those who used Christianity as a cover to fulfill their greed and lust for murder, glory and money.

Of course being an unbeliever it all sounds like nonsense to you, and you may not be capable of receiving it.

The only true Christians are those who recognize that Christ not only died for all our sins, past present and future, but also that He kept all of the commandments of God for us. Therefore salvation does not come by keeping the law; He's done all that for us. Salvation comes simply by trusting in Him. There are no sacraments or works or repentance necessarily for salvation, because Christ has done all the work already, and all our sins are covered.

Now if someone believes that, they are a true Christian by faith in Christ, making them a child of God. However, most Christians believe that they must add to the works of Christ, making themselves equal with God, believing that their work is needed and comparable to God's for salvation, when Christ is the source of righteousness, not ourselves.

Always remember, Satan has many distractions to keep us from going to heaven. Constructing dozens of works based false religions is one of those ways in which he confuses people so that they will not believe the simplicity of the truth: that all we have to do to be saved is to believe in Christ.

Those Christians you mentioned, who are from organized Christianity, don't believe in the free gift of salvation. They believe that their own good works and abstaining from sin grants or keeps them in salvation, when that's simply impossible.


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Adama wrote: The way to eternal life truly is narrow my friend. Most Christians are Christians in name only, and they haven't found the narrow path. Only those who have found the narrow path are the true Christians. The true Christians don't have a pope and they aren't organized. So all the things you blame Christians for are not the fault of true Christians, but instead they are simply those who used Christianity as a cover to fulfill their greed and lust for murder, glory and money.
Ah yes, the classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy when all else fails :lol:

You do know that your only true Christians argument means that 99.9 percent of all people who have ever lived at any time would not qualify as Christians in your book? All of them, including everyone on this forum (apart from you of course) will burn in hell with demons picking at our cooked skin turning us all into veritable demon crap in the end :lol:

I'm not sure what is the cause of your foolish, "true Christian" worldview, derangement or stupidity. Perhaps it is both but you are clearly not a very happy nor a free thinking man with such an imprisoned mindset. As I asked before, you should reflect on WHO made you this way, parents, Sunday school teachers, clerics? If you can identify them, I will show you manipulative abusers who crippled the man that is you for life.
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I don't see why nobody makes a point of "going by ear" with religion. Always trying to find a perfect off-the-rack option & never thinking about going by their conscience (ex: Christianity can be a bit ridiculous with the whole not fighting back or getting revenge thing- might be someone doesn't go by that, but isn't totally anti-forgiveness. Constantly people are looking for a doctrine to mindlessly follow & then disregard because it feels like it's pushing them around.
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MrPeabody wrote:The one advantage of Islam IS political: Islam will destroy crime and feminism.
Islam does not destroy crime but even encourage it. For example Islamic rules for apostasy - to ask for killing everybody who wants to leave the Islamic faith.

Prisons are full everywhere with ordinary criminals who are Muslims, not only in the Western world, but in Islamic countries too.

About feminism Islam is not so much against feminism as it seems to be.

Young men and his parents have to pay a woman to receive her consent to marry and if the man is poor and has no money and no house, he is often lonely - there are plenty of single poor young men in Islamic countries. Girlfriend is not allowed because of gender separation laws and no woman will accept a poor man for marriage.

Rich Muslim women are often out for shopping sprees in the Western world and are not know to treat their employees - regardless if man or woman - in a friendly way. Plenty of complaints.
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Adama wrote: The way to eternal life truly is narrow my friend. Most Christians are Christians in name only, and they haven't found the narrow path. Only those who have found the narrow path are the true Christians. The true Christians don't have a pope and they aren't organized. So all the things you blame Christians for are not the fault of true Christians, but instead they are simply those who used Christianity as a cover to fulfill their greed and lust for murder, glory and money.
Ah yes, the classic "No True Scotsman" fallacy when all else fails :lol:

You do know that your only true Christians argument means that 99.9 percent of all people who have ever lived at any time would not qualify as Christians in your book? All of them, including everyone on this forum (apart from you of course) will burn in hell with demons picking at our cooked skin turning us all into veritable demon crap in the end :lol:

I'm not sure what is the cause of your foolish, "true Christian" worldview, derangement or stupidity. Perhaps it is both but you are clearly not a very happy nor a free thinking man with such an imprisoned mindset. As I asked before, you should reflect on WHO made you this way, parents, Sunday school teachers, clerics? If you can identify them, I will show you manipulative abusers who crippled the man that is you for life.
You're unsaved and therefore the Holy Spirit has not imparted understanding and knowledge to you. To the unsaved person, spiritual things are nonsense. I don't expect you to understand actually. That's between you and God.

As for the 99.9%, if they were humble enough to believe in Him, then God has shown them His salvation. It is up to the person to believe or not believe. God foreknew who would believe in His Son and who would never believe. So those He foreknew, He has justified them.

Atheists say this almost as if they care about the 99.9% of people they claim are going to hell. As if the fact that most people are going there somehow disproves that God is real. Just because most people have chosen death, it doesn't mean that the eternal place of the death doesn't exist. It only means exactly what is stated: that most people have gone there.

And why did they go there? Because they would not humble themselves to believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. It doesn't matter when or where. If they could believe, He revealed salvation to them. All they ever had to do is believe in the Lord. That's it. Salvation is easy. He wanted everyone to live with Him eternally.

The only people who are going to hell are simply those who chose the pleasure of unrighteous for this life. It was their choice. Just as Eve and Adam made their choice. Everyone has a choice.
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Wolfeye wrote:I don't see why nobody makes a point of "going by ear" with religion. Always trying to find a perfect off-the-rack option & never thinking about going by their conscience (ex: Christianity can be a bit ridiculous with the whole not fighting back or getting revenge thing- might be someone doesn't go by that, but isn't totally anti-forgiveness. Constantly people are looking for a doctrine to mindlessly follow & then disregard because it feels like it's pushing them around.
Don't avenge yourself because in doing so the person commits evil, and God will destroy all evildoers. That is why we don't avenge ourselves. But also, remember that God is the Creator. Therefore He is the Judge. Therefore only he is allowed to condemn someone. And if God condemns someone, how much more trouble might that person have than if a person does it?

Let God repay, both to save yourself from God condemning you for working evil, but also knowing that God has seen their crimes. God will repay.

Also, this is a part of humility that God demands. By avenging the self, the person is assuming the Judgment Seat of Christ to condemn. That is called pride. Humility means stepping back and allowing God to do it. And if you're humble enough to turn the other cheek, then God will repay you with glory and salvation.
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MrPeabody wrote:The one advantage of Islam IS political: Islam will destroy crime and feminism.
Islam does not destroy crime but even encourage it. For example Islamic rules for apostasy - to ask for killing everybody who wants to leave the Islamic faith.

Prisons are full everywhere with ordinary criminals who are Muslims, not only in the Western world, but in Islamic countries too.

About feminism Islam is not so much against feminism as it seems to be.

Young men and his parents have to pay a woman to receive her consent to marry and if the man is poor and has no money and no house, he is often lonely - there are plenty of single poor young men in Islamic countries. Girlfriend is not allowed because of gender separation laws and no woman will accept a poor man for marriage.

Rich Muslim women are often out for shopping sprees in the Western world and are not know to treat their employees - regardless if man or woman - in a friendly way. Plenty of complaints.

I just don't understand. Do these people not know enough about Islam? They truly believe whatever story they make up. Or are these people just trying to issue misdirection? The truth is right there in their faces, yet they're proclaiming the opposite of the truth is true.
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Adama wrote: I just don't understand. Do these people not know enough about Islam? They truly believe whatever story they make up. Or are these people just trying to issue misdirection? The truth is right there in their faces, yet they're proclaiming the opposite of the truth is true.
I think, many Muslims are (mis)using the Quran for all and everything what they do, even to justify any case of wrongdoing.

For example, my own observation, there is a month of Ramadan, Muslims should not eat during daylight.
I know about Muslims, who met their friends in the early morning, eating like a pig, barely able to move on for work - and in evening they just went home earlier as usual and again were eating like a pig and they were gaining weight during their fasting period.

I met a Muslim who was starting his breakfast with a bottle of whiskey, and he told me, Allah is at home in Mecca and not in Tokyo.

I know about an embassy of an African Muslim country, which had to be formally closed for a while, as ALL diplomats were involved in criminal activity, anything from rape to shoplifting and had to be formally expelled.

For sure I can say, many Muslims pick out of the Quran which might fit them - and totally disregard anything which might be a burden on them. How can this be the better religion, if even believers don't care about themselves, but they care about cartoons drawn by 'infidels'.

It's not the Quran itself maybe, but the behavior of its believers which is creating problems everywhere - in the Western world the infidel should take care of them, in the Muslim world the rich despotes are getting richer living in palaces and travelling by private airplace, and the ordinary Muslims are living in slums and moving on with a camel and are asked to pray 5 times a day so Allah will bless them... I don't know really which makes Muslims to behave like that, totally inconsiderate against others...
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Adama wrote: You're unsaved and therefore the Holy Spirit has not imparted understanding and knowledge to you. To the unsaved person, spiritual things are nonsense.
Oh, I get it! Your Christian god grants secret code knowledge to only the select few. Those of us with brains to think for ourselves are pure out of luck then, huh? Just one question. How does your Christian god expect people to follow him if he only gives this secret knowledge to those who are already following him? In other words, "Follow the Christian god or go to hell when you die, but you will not understand anything about it until you are officially a follower, but still follow him or burn in hell." Yeah, that does not pass the logic test. And if you are teaching that lie to kids, may your god damn you!
Adama wrote: As for the 99.9%, if they were humble enough to believe in Him, then God has shown them His salvation. It is up to the person to believe or not believe. God foreknew who would believe in His Son and who would never believe. So those He foreknew, He has justified them.
What about little children who die before they have the chance to be manipulated into your religion? Are they damned to hell too? What about people from countries that don't practice Christianity thru no fault of their own. Are they damned to hell too?
You are speaking like a self-righteous idiot. If there is a god, he will surely send a manipulative liar like you straight to fiery hell if he has any sense of justice!
Adama wrote: Atheists say this almost as if they care about the 99.9% of people they claim are going to hell. As if the fact that most people are going there somehow disproves that God is real. Just because most people have chosen death, it doesn't mean that the eternal place of the death doesn't exist. It only means exactly what is stated: that most people have gone there.
Ok, so you will go to heaven while the rest of us burn in hell simply because you chose an obscure form of what you consider "true Christianity?" I think the sheer arrogance and terrorizing threats of your "faith" render you the worst kind of person. Again, if there is a hell with demons, fire, and eternal pain, the likes of you have a spot reserved there already. Shame on you, especially for scaring little children with this crap. If you have your own children, they should be taken away from you at once.
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Adama wrote: You're unsaved and therefore the Holy Spirit has not imparted understanding and knowledge to you. To the unsaved person, spiritual things are nonsense.
Oh, I get it! Your Christian god grants secret code knowledge to only the select few. Those of us with brains to think for ourselves are pure out of luck then, huh? Just one question. How does your Christian god expect people to follow him if he only gives this secret knowledge to those who are already following him? In other words, "Follow the Christian god or go to hell when you die, but you will not understand anything about it until you are officially a follower, but still follow him or burn in hell." Yeah, that does not pass the logic test. And if you are teaching that lie to kids, may your god damn you!
Adama wrote: As for the 99.9%, if they were humble enough to believe in Him, then God has shown them His salvation. It is up to the person to believe or not believe. God foreknew who would believe in His Son and who would never believe. So those He foreknew, He has justified them.
What about little children who die before they have the chance to be manipulated into your religion? Are they damned to hell too? What about people from countries that don't practice Christianity thru no fault of their own. Are they damned to hell too?
You are speaking like a self-righteous idiot. If there is a god, he will surely send a manipulative liar like you straight to fiery hell if he has any sense of justice!
Adama wrote: Atheists say this almost as if they care about the 99.9% of people they claim are going to hell. As if the fact that most people are going there somehow disproves that God is real. Just because most people have chosen death, it doesn't mean that the eternal place of the death doesn't exist. It only means exactly what is stated: that most people have gone there.
Ok, so you will go to heaven while the rest of us burn in hell simply because you chose an obscure form of what you consider "true Christianity?" I think the sheer arrogance and terrorizing threats of your "faith" render you the worst kind of person. Again, if there is a hell with demons, fire, and eternal pain, the likes of you have a spot reserved there already. Shame on you, especially for scaring little children with this crap. If you have your own children, they should be taken away from you at once.

I actually find your posts quite entertaining.

Anyways, I have never spoken of the horrors of hell with any children, and I never plan to. I was just stating a fact.

It's quite simple. People somehow think they are wise for not believing in Christ, and they call believers by evil labels for believing. But it is not hard for a person who is humble to believe in Christ. Anyone who is meek, who is humble, who is a peacemaker, who is lowly in spirit, who poor in spirit, who is not prideful, and who has not lifted up his heart (ego) to vanity, can believe in Christ easily. The meek, the humble, the lowly in spirit are God's people. They belong to Christ. In His wonder, He reveals Himself to these people.

God has foreknown who will believe. Therefore He sends His salvation to them. He gets them saved because He wants all those who can believe to enter into His Kingdom when He recreates the earth. But only the believers in Christ are invited. And what does it cost to believe? Faith is free. It just means instead of believing in evolution, believe in Christ, then you're saved.

But first you must overcome the world. The world has every deception meant to get people to disbelieve so that they will go to hell. Remember Satan destroyed humanity by lying to Eve. He is still deceiving people way from God, to destroy souls, to make himself a god for this age through destruction; the pleasure of destroying God's people and His creation.

So many people just need to forget all the lies just for a moment to receive the Holy Ghost and knowledge of the truth. Too late for many though.
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And salvation is not by following. That's a false doctrine of Satan. Christ has kept all the commandments for us. He has overcome the law. All we must do to enter heaven is to BELIEVE IN CHRIST. There's no work that can be done to enter heaven, because only Christ has the keys, and only Christ could keep the whole law, the entirety of the commandments. Therefore Christ is the only one worthy to enter heaven. If we believe in Him and His work, that grants us eternal life. ALL YOU MUST DO IS BELIEVE IN CHRIST and you're saved.

Any works based religion is false religion from Satan. Christianity is about FAITH in Christ, not works. Every false way is through works, following, karma, deeds, abstaining from sin, sacraments, abiding, repentance. Christians are under the free grace and unmerited favor of God, and all our sins are covered, past, present and future.
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Yohan wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:The one advantage of Islam IS political: Islam will destroy crime and feminism.
Islam does not destroy crime but even encourage it. For example Islamic rules for apostasy - to ask for killing everybody who wants to leave the Islamic faith.

Prisons are full everywhere with ordinary criminals who are Muslims, not only in the Western world, but in Islamic countries too.

About feminism Islam is not so much against feminism as it seems to be.

Young men and his parents have to pay a woman to receive her consent to marry and if the man is poor and has no money and no house, he is often lonely - there are plenty of single poor young men in Islamic countries. Girlfriend is not allowed because of gender separation laws and no woman will accept a poor man for marriage.

Rich Muslim women are often out for shopping sprees in the Western world and are not know to treat their employees - regardless if man or woman - in a friendly way. Plenty of complaints.
Singapore is run by a coalition of Confucianists and Muslims. The proof that the Muslims have feminism under control is that they are having a lot of children. Feminism kills the birth rate. Prisons are full of all kinds of people. America has the largest prison population in the world, but less than 3% Muslims live there.
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Adama wrote: Christians are under the free grace and unmerited favor of God, and all our sins are covered, past, present and future.
I find this mentality troubling, sick even. So whatever evil deed you choose to do, murder, rape, theft, god has you covered because you belong to the "True Christians" club.

Now you are coming off as potentially dangerous!
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Adama wrote: Christians are under the free grace and unmerited favor of God, and all our sins are covered, past, present and future.
I find this mentality troubling, sick even. So whatever evil deed you choose to do, murder, rape, theft, god has you covered because you belong to the "True Christians" club.

Now you are coming off as potentially dangerous!
The latest convert at my mosque is a former Christian who converted to escape this insane thinking.
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