The Truth Behind Islam

[Wolfeye]

Yohan: Damn good post! I'd add that they see fit to instigate with the population & act like it's innocence (people are "oppressing" and/or "humiliating" them by vitiating ANY action that comes from a muslim- that's their definition of self-defense & why they always reference the Crusaders in a bad way, since that was stopping their "innocent" expansion & general assault of non-muslims).

[Misko_Varesanovic]

The point is, if you are a foreigner in a country, you have to adapt your way of life - do, what the locals are doing.

Of course if you are an immigrant from a Muslim country and DEMAND to continue your way of life as before and demand special rights (shariah courts, halal food, construction of mosques, Quran schools, burka etc. etc.) and INSIST locals MUST accept your customs, while you are not willing to integrate at all, you will find yourself isolated, discriminated and asked why you are here - as it is not your country - and why you are not going home.

About Turks and also Iranians, I met such ones and such ones.

Some left, going home - but many others admit, that in their own countries 'everything is f****d' up and prefer to stay with the infidels.

Nobody can deny, that so far the number of immigrants from Muslim countries who want to enter Western countries exceeds by far the number of former immigrants who prefer to go back home.

In the UK - a country which has an extremely unequal education system that works strongly against anyone who is not already from a rich, established family - you are nevertheless more likely to go to university if you are an ethnic minority than if you are from the white English demographic:

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8042

And Muslims in the US are better-educated than nearly all other Americans. In fact, only Jews have a higher level of educational attainment:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/mu ... index.html

You have to ask yourself the following: (i) why the mainstream media generally feeds you stories about 'disaffected' Muslims and almost never tells you anything positive about them (e.g. that they are significantly more educated and charitable (https://www.rt.com/uk/353216-muslims-ch ... -generous/)) than average; and (ii) why you never question this narrative, even when it has been pointed out to you that this narrative is being deliberately manufactured for political ends at the cost of tens of millions of dollars (https://islamophobianetwork.com/).

Are you happy to passively accept half-truths, distortions and outright lies peddled by people with disingenuous political agendas - even at your own personal cost? I can't answer this question. It's entirely your choice.

[Misko_Varesanovic]

Yohan: Damn good post! I'd add that they see fit to instigate with the population & act like it's innocence (people are "oppressing" and/or "humiliating" them by vitiating ANY action that comes from a muslim- that's their definition of self-defense & why they always reference the Crusaders in a bad way, since that was stopping their "innocent" expansion & general assault of non-muslims).

You do realise that the Crusaders also targeted 'heretical' Christians, who lived together with Muslims in the Middle East?

"Thus, whether in Sicily, the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula, the Holy Land, Cyprus, Central and Eastern Europe or the south-west of France, the Crusades were merely Roman Catholic jihads, probably slaughtering more Orthodox Christians and Jews than Muslims, and certainly ruining otherwise quite cordial relations between Muslim settlers in the Holy Land and the native Orthodox Christian residents. Little wonder that some Orthodox said: 'Better the sultan's turban than the papal tiara'."

http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/popeisla.htm

[Wolfeye]

Misko_Varesanovic: Actually, I didn't know all of that. It's a tricky thing- lies built on truth.

[Yohan]

And Muslims in the US are better-educated than nearly all other Americans. In fact, only Jews have a higher level of educational attainment:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/us/mu ... index.html

I have no idea what you want to say with your comment anyway, but to claim that Muslims are higher educated than Christians and Jews are higher educated than Muslims in USA is rather questionable.

The article mentions, that 'Muslims are a minuscule portion of the U.S. population' and that 'It's difficult to come by hard numbers because the U.S. Census doesn't collect religious data'.

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Let's see the reality of life about 'Muslims better-educated than nearly all other Americans'.
There are some more news of today...

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/us/ch ... peditorial

New York (CNN)The suspect in the blast that shook New York's Chelsea neighborhood last year, injuring 30 people, was escorted out of federal court Monday after he interrupted the lead prosecutor on the first day of his trial on charges that include using a weapon of mass destruction and bombing a public place.

Ahmad Khan Rahimi, who also goes by Rahami, watched via live video stream from another room as Assistant US Attorney Shawn Crowley told jurors that DNA evidence, fingerprints and surveillance footage would link Rahimi to bombs placed last September in Manhattan, including the one that exploded and another one that police found blocks away.

"By some miracle, no one was killed that day," Crowley said.
Meantime, Rahimi's attorney, Meghan Gilligan, cast the 29-year-old as a family man who grew up in New Jersey, worked for his father and is a father himself.

If convicted, Rahimi could face life in prison. Testimony continues Tuesday in the case.

Rahimi, of Elizabeth, New Jersey, faces charges in other jurisdictions in connection with bombs found within hours of the Chelsea blast in a wastebasket near a rail station in Elizabeth and near the start of a Marine Corps charity run in Seaside Park, New Jersey, as well as with crimes tied to a shootout that led to his arrest, according to a criminal complaint.

[Yohan]

And Muslims in the US are better-educated than nearly all other Americans. In fact, only Jews have a higher level of educational attainment:

Not really sure how you can measure that, but I find this article more reliable.

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-ame ... n-america/

Why Asian Americans Are the Most Educated Group in America

Asian-Americans are the highest-earning and fastest-growing racial group in the United States.
They’re also the best educated, as new numbers released by the U.S. Census Bureau demonstrate.

[Yohan]

.....they are significantly more educated and charitable (https://www.rt.com/uk/353216-muslims-ch ... -generous/)

When ever I read something about 'charity' and about super-rich people giving away millions of USD - I ask myself the following:

1 - how much of this donation would be taken away by taxes if not given to a 'charity'?

http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/03/here-are- ... s-5276452/
It's not only a Muslim like this Al-Waleed, but also Bill Gates and many others create 'charities' to boost their prestige and reduce their taxes.

2 - what is this charity doing with this money?

As we all know, about 80 percent never arrives where it should be, as it is used for self administration, expensive fund-raising dinner-shows, travels to the poor while living in 5-star resorts and so on. The donor is often also the owner of the charity, not a very transparent situation, very much abuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... try_donors
About donors of development aid, still the huge portion is given by EU, USA, Japan and the part given by rich Muslim countries is very small.

About your link,
https://www.rt.com/uk/353216-muslims-ch ... -generous/

'Zakat' requires Muslims to donate 2.5 percent of their yearly income to charity...

I am not a Muslim, but for sure, I give more than 2.5 % of my income to the poor. I give it directly to some poor people in the Philippines, not tax deductable. - I never give cash to any charity, I prefer to buy food, medicine, school-items, materials for housing, I am sending shipping boxes with many items I collect in Japan from neighbors and co-workers, who do not need them anymore.

[MrPeabody]

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[Yohan]

As you know, Mr. Peabody, only about 50 percent of these people living in the region of Bosnia and Herzegovina are Muslims, the other 50 percent are Catholics or Orthodox. Alltogether they are maybe 3.5 million people, so maybe only 1.8 million or so they are very moderate Muslims, this area is still in Europe.

You have to see Islam as a whole...

https://www.exmna.org
Ex-Muslims of North America

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[MrPeabody]

You prove my point. First, she was able to leave Islam. You say people cant leave Islam. Also, she essentially said she left Islam because it conflicted with her feminist views.

[Jonny Law]

You prove my point. First, she was able to leave Islam. You say people cant leave Islam. Also, she essentially said she left Islam because it conflicted with her feminist views.

She is in a Non-Muslim Country you Idiot!
Meanwhile in Muslim Countries
In Islamic law (sharia), the view among the majority of jurists was that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.
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[Yohan]

You prove my point. First, she was able to leave Islam. You say people cant leave Islam. Also, she essentially said she left Islam because it conflicted with her feminist views.

She is in a Non-Muslim Country you Idiot!

Thank you for your comment, Jonny Law.

If you really want to leave Islam, there is no way in any Islamic country to do so.
Apostasy in Islamic countries is a crime, you might spend years in jail for your intention to do so.

The only what you can do about it is to become as passive as possible and remain totally silent about being an atheist or ready to convert to another religion. However even this is difficult as religious bigots if they notice anything will report you to the Islamic Moral Police.

You can leave Islam only when you are living in a non-Islamic country.

Western society makes it possible that you change your name and best is to move to another city. You have to be careful, as your own relatives and Muslim friends might become your enemy, ready to beat you up, they might even kill you.

[Adama]

Another thing about Islam is that, although they hate Christ so much that they refuse to believe He is the Son of God, they use both Jesus and Mary in their holy book to steal credibility from Christianity.

And also, I have heard that, just like in Israel, the preaching of Christianity in many Muslim nations is forbidden. The religion of peace won't allow for other religions within their confines.

And I have met a few non-American born Muslims in the USA. As for the American born, they will not threaten you with violence or be rude to you, if you mention Christ's name to them. As for the foreign, Middle Eastern men I have encountered while out preaching the gospel, some of them have been extremely rude. One of them even ran up to me in anger, and I thought he was going to swing to knock me out. This from the religion of peace. Also if you go on YT, you'll see Christians in America getting threatened by these people while Christians are out preaching in the streets. With the Islamics proclaiming that if the Christian preacher were back in his country (Afghanistan or wherever) that he would be killed for preaching Christ.

Why do they allow these people in the West? Then look at that video posted in another thread by Droid regarding Barbara Lerner Spectre. It's all meant to destabilize the world for Jewish conquest.

It is a good thing that Christ will recreate the world. All the evildoers will not be there. Only the meek, the peaceful and the humble will be in God's new earth. In other words, none of these hate filled murderers will be around. They'll be with their true prince, the prince of darkness.

[Adama]

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[Yohan]

..... the preaching of Christianity in many Muslim nations is forbidden. The religion of peace won't allow for other religions within their confines.

I often think, Islam is not really a religion, but more or less a political system.
ANY religion and atheism are strongly restricted or even outlawed in Islamic Republics.
It's not only about Christianity.

I am an atheist, I don't care about religion, but this does not mean that I am in any way supportive to any religion which tries to erase any other religion with restrictions and using threats.

If you are a Muslim, I am OK with that, but why do you want me also to be a Muslim and calling me an infidel?

Blasphemy laws, which are threatening any person of other faith who is critical about Islam, are totally unacceptable in any advanced society.

Apostasy laws - to threaten anybody who left the Islamic faith for another religion or atheism - are totally unacceptable too.

Except Islam I do not know about any other religion which has such regulations in their scripts.