Entheogens and Spiritual Experiences

[Lucas88]

Hey guys, what do you think of entheogens? Things like Ayahuasca, magic mushrooms, Salvia and DMT?

Do you think they should be legalised? Or are they dangerous drugs that are rightly outlawed? What about the supposed health benefits entheogens like magic mushrooms have on depression, or helping soldiers recover from PTSD?

Has anyone here ever tried any of the enthogens mentioned? What were your experiences like? Did you have a deep philosophical spiritual experience?

I've taken entheogens on four separate occasions for the purpose of mystical exploration of reality. I took psilocybin mushrooms three times at home and Ayahuasca once at a spiritual retreat with a shaman in Spain.

Each time I took these substances I had deep and vivid visions which shed light on things such as the nature of reality and the divine, the nature of the soul and other deep philosophical topics. In the most intense of these visions I came face to face with Brahman or the Transcendental Absolute which was a primordial universal consciousness and saw that everything that exists is a densification of this same fundamental spiritual reality and that our individual souls are also fragments of Brahman which experience his created worlds. The vision of God which is saw was very "Eastern" in nature. In other visions I was taught about some of the fundamental principles of reality such as everything being informed by vibrations and frequencies as well as being dualistic polarities of a single value. Some of the concepts that I experienced were identical to some of the seven Hermetic Principals. I still hadn't read anything on Hermeticism at that point but later came across the Kybalion at a bookstore in Spain and was surprised to discover the similarities between my own psychonautic learnings and the teachings of the book.

I don't know how real my visions under the influence of entheogens were. I think that it is possible that those substances could act as a gateway which allows us to access hidden realms of consciousness and thereby "download" information. Indeed during one of my experiences I was told that the reason why I am able to have these kinds of visions is because my own consciousness is already operating at that level and the substances simply facilitate access to higher realms of perception.

Entheogens can induce deep mystical visions and promote feelings of wellbeing, empathy and interconnectedness in people who take them responsibly. They can also heal depression, anxiety and other psychological ailments.

However, these substances can also be dangerous. I know of cases of people who have developed psychotic symptoms or messed up their body's energetic system after taking them. Taking them is really no joke!

I'm now into Traditional Chinese Medicine and the workings of Qi Gong and from what I've read entheogens like many other drugs may have a negative effect on the body's qi production. In fact my Chinese doctor told me that many drugs alter the body's qi or overstimulate it and then in the long run it makes it more difficult for the body to replenish the qi. This of course leads to health problems. In light of this I believe that entheogens are substances that should be taken very sparingly.

After I took Ayahuasca in the summer of 2018 I felt that I had seen what I needed to see and no longer needed to take entheogens at all. I haven't taken anything since.

Do I think that entheogens should be legal? You already know how I feel about the law. The law for the most part is more about controlling people rather than keeping us safe.

[gsjackson]

Never have, though I come from the '60s and it was always tempting after reading something like Huxley's 'Doors of Perception' or the Castaneda Don Juan books. And less esoteric testimony, like Cary Grant saying in Life Magazine in the '50s that LSD had helped him with his marriage. My favorite writer on religion, Huston Smith, used and endorsed entheogens. Huxley seemed to think it was especially well suited for intellectuals, people who spend their time classifying things, and through entheogens are able to see the inter-connectedness of all things.

But I've always prioritized health -- I think to my benefit, especially when observing the human wreckage that is most of my contemporaries, the ones who are still alive -- and it's not clear what the health price of strong drugs is. With alcohol the price is obvious -- hung over the next day, fat and bloated. addictive if you do it enough, etc., etc. For a more intense high -- weed -- the price is less obvious, and presumably even less so for the stronger drugs. I'm not willing to pay an unknown price. Also, having left anything resembling depression behind in my 20s, my mental furnishings are such as to keep me relatively content all the time, and I don't want to blow the place up and have the furniture rearranged, with unpredictable results.

But I encourage others to take the trips and report their findings, especially any insights on the shape of the Earth, Pixel--Dude. What would the theory behind that possibility be -- a Platonic/Blakean notion that we hold all truth inside of us and have merely to cleanse the doors of perception to see it, or the visitation of some omniscient entity who can provide the answers? Would such an entity be trustworthy? In any event, please debrief in this forum upon return from any trips.

[Tsar]

I don't know how real my visions under the influence of entheogens were. I think that it is possible that those substances could act as a gateway which allows us to access hidden realms of consciousness and thereby "download" information. Indeed during one of my experiences I was told that the reason why I am able to have these kinds of visions is because my own consciousness is already operating at that level and the substances simply facilitate access to higher realms of perception.

Entheogens can induce deep mystical visions and promote feelings of wellbeing, empathy and interconnectedness in people who take them responsibly. They can also heal depression, anxiety and other psychological ailments.

However, these substances can also be dangerous. I know of cases of people who have developed psychotic symptoms or messed up their body's energetic system after taking them. Taking them is really no joke!

What types of psychotic symptoms did they develop?

Many people who take them for a spiritual experience probably have a good reaction but the people who take them for fun might be getting punished?

[Tsar]

I had my first experience with shrooms today. I feel like it removed the depression that was deep at my core. I feel like I have been energized because the depression in my subconscious from my lifetime of being alone was taken away. I think that shrooms are definitely nature's antidepressant and also give a unique spiritual experience.

[Lucas88]

What types of psychotic symptoms did they develop?

Many people who take them for a spiritual experience probably have a good reaction but the people who take them for fun might be getting punished?

I know of a few cases of people who became psychotic after taking Ayahuasca.

One guy, who was a patient of the energetic healer who I saw in late 2020, had messed up his body's qi energy after his fourth Ayahuasca ceremony and was constantly suffering from hallucinations as a result. The healer rerouted and stabilized the guy's qi energy and the psychotic symptoms disappeared. You could say that the guy abused Ayahuasca. His first experience with the entheogen was extremely deep and mystical but the next two were rather mediocre. Wanting to replicate his first deep and mystical experience, he decided to take Ayahuasca for a fourth time and unfortunately that time it threw his body's energetic state into chaos and he lost his mind.

Another person took Ayahuasca at a retreat in South America and developed symptoms of schizophrenia immediately thereafter. But the shamans didn't know how to help and the person remained messed up for a long time.

Psychedelics can indeed be dangerous. It is best to use them sparingly.

[gsjackson]

Glad you had a good trip, Tsar. That might mean you've got things together a bit more than you may have thought. Pay close attention to the advice of Lucas88 and Pixel-Dude on this. They seem like very wise and responsible fellow travelers.

[Lucas88]

As a somewhat experienced psychonaut, I'll try to answer your questions.

1. Do you think only human souls can have spiritual experiences? Can NPCs have some kind of spiritual experience as well? Though more rudimentary? I have a theory about "spiritual" NPCs who mostly subscribe to organised spirituality like the New Age for example.

I think that they can have spiritual experiences, but the reason they talk about feeling this "oneness" and things like "ego death" is because they actually are NPCs operating from a hive mind consciousness. Which is why when they tap into (somewhat) higher levels of consciousness all they are accessing is the hive mind NPC consciousness.

I'm a spiritual person, I've had several experiences with psychedelics and never once have I ever perceived that I am not myself. I've always had a strong sense of individuality, albeit a kind of feeling that I'm connected to everything at large. Like I'm a small drop in an ocean or a leaf that is part of the tree. I'm not the entire ocean or the entire tree and they aren't me, I still have my sense of individuality and identity.

So I wondered why the discrepancy? Why do some users lose all sense of self in these experiences? The answer must surely be that such people are NPC souls, right? Either they have the loss of identity and feel like they have no individuality or they see nothing remotely spiritual or philosophical and just see bright colours. What do you guys think?

I think that the psychonautic experiences of NPC souls vary to some extent depending on their own particular level of NPC consciousness. Remember than I don't really view NPCs as totally unindividuated programs of a hivemind like NPC characters in a videogame but rather as rather basic individuated souls fabricated by the impostor god/demiurge Yahweh and incarnated with rudimentary consciousness but without higher spiritual faculties or divine soul qualities. As such, what we colloquially call NPCs (somewhat of a misnomer) include variance in terms of their consciousness makeup and are therefore able to have different levels of psychonautic experiences, although probably never as deep as our own. Some of the lower NPC souls might only see flashing lights and geometric patterns and nothing much deeper than that (like your friends with whom you took psilocybin) while more advanced NPC souls might perceive more New Age types of us all being "one" since they all proceed from the manufactured consciousness of the impostor god's matrix and therefore have no capacity for higher spiritual evolution.

True souled humans such as you, I and @Tsar however are capable of seeing much more and don't experience the "we are all one" thing because we are truly independent units of consciousness following a real course of spiritual evolution outside of the fabricated matrix soul group. I believe that @Winston would also experience something similar to what we have experienced if he were to take psilocybin, Ayahuasca or some other entheogen.

2. Is the nature of the spiritual experience dependent on thought forms and different egregores?

For some clarification, egregores are thought forms which can be created by large numbers of people believing in a certain thing. The egregores can be created intentionally or unintentionally and can become so powerful that they can brainwash those who are connected to it and control them.

As an example, Islam could be an egregore. When it becomes too powerful it brainwashes those who are connected to it and this is when blind fanaticism begins to surface. The mind creates the egregores, or rather the power of several minds, and then the egregore can enslave such minds.

Everything in the mental realm is metaphysical and given life by those who are connected to that particular ideal or thought form. They become living metaphysical things. I even wrote a thread about this way back when viewtopic.php?style=11&f=32&t=45503

I kind of see the mental realm as a kind of WiFi kind of thing where each individuated units of consciousness can connect to various thought forms or egregores depending on their resonance and the vibration of such thought forms. The more units of consciousness connect to an egregore the more powerful it becomes. And so the physical world becomes a battleground of these egregores which all compete for power and use us as their tools (if they are powerful enough to have mastery over certain minds) I envision them similar to corals which compete for growth and diminish competing corals. In the same sense certain egregores which are hostile towards each other will try and outcompete their metaphysical rivals.

So now that I've explained that, can these egregores and thought forms dictate what kind of experiences people have with entheogens? For example a Christian soul will be connected to the egregore of Christianity and see things in accordance with those beliefs such as Jesus or angels?

When keeping this question in mind, it is important to note that I have seen various gods and goddesses from Hindu culture and mythology, despite not being a proponent of the faith or ever having previous interest in it. So maybe if the answer to the question posed is "yes" maybe some souls can transcend these mental realms and obtain access to higher spiritual dimensions, or perhaps exist in all of these realms at the same time. In one of my experiences I perceived myself as existing multi dimensionally as my physical self, mental consciousness and higher spiritual consciousness.

This is a real possibility and something which I have thought about since I have been into the occult concept of egregores for a long time. It could be that people who belong to a particular religion or philosophy connect to their own respective egregore and then unconsciously download information from it. Like Christians for example will see images of Jesus, angels and other biblical motifs while New Agers will encounter Pleiadeans, ascended masters and such. In that case it would be important to distinguish between the illusory egregores of the Earth's lower astral and more factual information from higher realms without distortion.

It is also possible that advanced souls are able to access information from our own oversoul or higher self - information which the soul already knows at the higher spiritual level and can relay to our earthly conscious mind during a psychonautic experience with its accompanying state of relative openness. I myself have received valuable guidance through dreams which I believe has come from my own oversoul. Maybe psychonautic experiences work the same way for true souled humans who are sensitive and deeply intuitive.

3. Can other beings interact with us during these experiences? I've experienced reality as various layers like sheets of paper all stacked on top of one another. Our consciousness acting like a radio fixed on a certain frequency. When we take entheogens our pineal gland produces enough DMT to "change the radio station" and access other levels of reality. That's how I perceive it. This is something we should be able to do naturally, as our brain naturally produces the same DMT. It's because of shit chemicals in food, water and the air that our pineal gland calcifies and is unable to naturally produce these chemicals.

It is certainly possible. I think that real beings such as the gods and goddesses of antiquity are able to contact us and interact with us through their own astral bodies while we are in a receptive state induced by entheogens. If you form a close bond with a god or goddess through meditation, rituals and other occult practices, the god or goddess might want to communicate with us through their astral body but we might simply be unable to hear their message due to our own lack of clairvoyance and psychic sensitivity (these occult abilities require the rehabilitation of the pineal gland as well as the opening of certain major and minor chakras and energy channels). But when you enter a state of pure consciousness through entheogens, you might be able to hear the message of a familiar god or goddess for a limited amount of time. In that case the god or goddess might take advantage of the opportunity to visit his/her human son or daughter and impart valuable information. However, the ideal thing is to develop our own clairvoyance and psychic sensitivity through meditation. That's the best way.

[Kalinago]

1. Can NPCs have spiritual experiences?

I think that the psychonautic experiences of NPC souls vary to some extent depending on their own particular level of NPC consciousness. Remember than I don't really view NPCs as totally unindividuated programs of a hivemind like NPC characters in a videogame but rather as rather basic individuated souls fabricated by the impostor god/demiurge Yahweh and incarnated with rudimentary consciousness but without higher spiritual faculties or divine soul qualities. As such, what we colloquially call NPCs (somewhat of a misnomer) include variance in terms of their consciousness makeup and are therefore able to have different levels of psychonautic experiences, although probably never as deep as our own. Some of the lower NPC souls might only see flashing lights and geometric patterns and nothing much deeper than that (like your friends with whom you took psilocybin) while more advanced NPC souls might perceive more New Age types of us all being "one" since they all proceed from the manufactured consciousness of the impostor god's matrix and therefore have no capacity for higher spiritual evolution.

True souled humans such as you, I and @Tsar however are capable of seeing much more and don't experience the "we are all one" thing because we are truly independent units of consciousness following a real course of spiritual evolution outside of the fabricated matrix soul group. I believe that @Winston would also experience something similar to what we have experienced if he were to take psilocybin, Ayahuasca or some other entheogen.

Yes, I understand what you're saying about NPC souls having varying degrees of consciousness. I've even said before that I think NPCs and their Hive Mind consciousness are just replicas of Brahman and individuated units of consciousness. NPCs and their Hive Mind consciousness are a cheap imitation of the real system created by Brahman.

With this in mind, we could assume that NPCs are both individuated units of lesser, slave soul consciousness which derive from the artificial imitation of the true creator Brahman; The Hive Mind (which I call the Tabetha Head). So they are both individuated units of varying degrees of consciousness, but are still artificial souls that derive from the same source.

Since they all come from the same source, the artificial version of Brahman, they are all incapable of experiencing divinity and that is what makes them stand out as NPCs. They may have some rudimentary experiences where they perceive they are all one and all the rest of it, because its true. They are. Perhaps psychedelics are the only real way of knowing who is truly a human soul and who is an NPC based on the testimony of their psychedelic experiences.

2. Do Egregores affect spiritual experiences?

This is a real possibility and something which I have thought about since I have been into the occult concept of egregores for a long time. It could be that people who belong to a particular religion or philosophy connect to their own respective egregore and then unconsciously download information from it. Like Christians for example will see images of Jesus, angels and other biblical motifs while New Agers will encounter Pleiadeans, ascended masters and such. In that case it would be important to distinguish between the illusory egregores of the Earth's lower astral and more factual information from higher realms without distortion.

It is also possible that advanced souls are able to access information from our own oversoul or higher self - information which the soul already knows at the higher spiritual level and can relay to our earthly conscious mind during a psychonautic experience with its accompanying state of relative openness. I myself have received valuable guidance through dreams which I believe has come from my own oversoul. Maybe psychonautic experiences work the same way for true souled humans who are sensitive and deeply intuitive.

Yes, I agree. I imagine them as real metaphysical entities that have a mind of their own. Like corals occupying the mental layer of reality where all such thought forms exist and develop a life of their own. Given life by those who follow the particular doctrine in question. These egregores grow according to the number of followers they have and so for these egregores the battle is a numbers game.

Do you think if these egregores or thought forms are real that they are conscious metaphysical entities and self aware? I think I asked this before in another thread about egregores and thought forms being actual living metaphysical beings in a battle which manifests on earth, which is just an ideological battleground anyway. Here is the link to a thread about egregores being actual living entities: viewtopic.php?style=11&f=32&t=45503

The idea of egregores becoming so powerful they can actually possess people makes me think of capitalism. Ideologies are created from the collective consciousness of large groups and then grow and possess those people, in the same way that capitalism was created by the people and now controls and enslaves them... interesting.

3. Can Spiritual Beings interact with us during these experiences?

It is certainly possible. I think that real beings such as the gods and goddesses of antiquity are able to contact us and interact with us through their own astral bodies while we are in a receptive state induced by entheogens. If you form a close bond with a god or goddess through meditation, rituals and other occult practices, the god or goddess might want to communicate with us through their astral body but we might simply be unable to hear their message due to our own lack of clairvoyance and psychic sensitivity (these occult abilities require the rehabilitation of the pineal gland as well as the opening of certain major and minor chakras and energy channels). But when you enter a state of pure consciousness through entheogens, you might be able to hear the message of a familiar god or goddess for a limited amount of time. In that case the god or goddess might take advantage of the opportunity to visit his/her human son or daughter and impart valuable information. However, the ideal thing is to develop our own clairvoyance and psychic sensitivity through meditation. That's the best way.

I've seen a few gods and goddesses during deep psychedelic experiences. They've always made me feel truly loved and imparted wisdom and advice about my personal life circumstances etc. Here are a few I've seen:

Shiva

Shiva has appeared in a few of my psychedelic experiences. Most notably, he gave me advice on how to deal with my life circumstances which were making me feel very depressed and trapped in my own life.

I remember concerning my daughter he told me that my influence would always be a part of her life and she will always love me. Like how lessons taught by the gods and goddesses in antiquity have stuck with souled humans, despite the fact the gods have been exiled from this planet for thousands of years. He advised me to focus on myself, whilst still being there for my child when I could be, depression isn't the answer.

He said I should be like nature and continue to grow and flow. Be like water. When a river encounters a rock in its path, does it stop flowing? Or does it divert its course, find another way, and continue to flow? Shiva also assured me that he understands the pain of missing one's own children. As we are his children and he lost custody of us to a complete psychopathic entity.

Ninhursag

I remember seeing Ninhursag twice in a psychedelic experience. Once she was with Shiva and another time she was alone. I felt absolute love and benevolence radiating from this goddess. She was much taller than me because I perceived us in person, even though we weren't. She embraced me and I felt like my soul had just been totally detoxified of negativity.

Sophia

Also known as Gaia or Mother Earth. I prefer to call this goddess Sophia. I'm actually going to make a more detailed thread about Gaia at a later time (I won't be making any new threads before my trip) and I'll explain in detail my thoughts about this goddess.

In my experiences though, I perceived again that she loves us. That, and there is some inexplicable connection between our souls and hers. I also perceived she is in pain. Sick and very sad. I think she is suffering at the hands of evil gods. The same as ourselves.

Yahweh & Saurians


These are our enemies. Yahweh is a tyrannical Warlord and the Saurians are kind of like mercenaries used to help him defeat our true benefactors.

In my psychedelic experiences if I ever ascended to higher realms and saw Yahweh he would not acknowledge me. Seeing me as infinitely inferior and not worthy of interaction. This god despises humanity and hides behind his monotheistic slave religion, portraying himself as the creator of the universe and also a benevolent and loving father. All lies!

The Saurians are beings I've encountered in lower vibrational layers of reality (I don't choose what I see or where I go. It's like being on a ride.) Their spiritual form is similar in appearance to their physical form (how you'd imagine a reptilian humanoid) but their spiritual energy is very dark. Their darkness is tangible. It can be felt and sticks to your aura like sticky tar. These beings are truly vile and disgusting. They spoke. But with deep guttural voices that sound typical of demons. They called me "meat" and referred to this planet as their "Little zoo" they are masters of deception and can pose as angels, cherubs, ascended masters or dead relatives to harvest souls upon death if you go with them into their soul trap.

Dear Brother,I have some questions for you,

1.How do you explain charismatic ex-satanist testimonies,that 'satan'and the 'demons'work to destroy christianity,want blood sacrifices,assasinate people,and cannot destroy belieiving christians,because they have a wall of fire around them,heaven and hell visits,seeing muhammed,buddha and other founders of religions in their hell,and that 'demons'are hindu(and african) goddesses and gods?

I have heard before from the JOS,that YHWH is a hivemind of reptilians(the metatron) connected to a powerful egregore which is empowered by the hebrew letters of the Torah as a mantra,and that Jesus is the leviathan,the chosen messiah ben david to the top judaic Rabbis of kabbalah,which maybe they control this particular Christ egregore.

they also allegedly created heaven as a soul harvesting center in the astral,and hell as a place in the astral for those that disobey them even on one point(unrepentant sin).

but the only thing stopping me from believing this and your parallel experience is these charismatic stories,the fact these demons have attacked me when I first left hinduism for christianity,and such things.

I also heard from JOS these demons,which are allegedly jewish thoughtforms and grey aliens,fallen nordic aliens etc mall working together impersonate the Gods of the gentiles.To give them a bad name.

I heard from a JOS poster that samael is a dark aspect of the YHWH thoughtform in kabbalah,maybe his demons are too,as good cop bad cop,but I need your clarification and hopefully experience in knowing this.

I want to live life freely,leave christianity,but I need full proof.

I know the illuminatti believe in christ as the head of their jewish lodge,and that there is some fishy things going on.

But I need proof that what I believe is a deception,and I also need to know how the bible is false.

I feel suffocated under christianity and abrahamic religion,but follow it out of fear.

during my truffles trip in amsterdam in 2016,I experienced brahman and found that kashmir shaivism is true and the great goddess is the brahman personified as shakti.

I also found the jewish soul to have a very negative evil dark aspect emanating from it similar to how you described saurians-repitlians just like the JOS says,when I debated some israelis on the street about free energy technology and cosmology,against relativity and einstein in favor of Tesla and walter russel during that mushroom trip.

[Kalinago]

@Kalinago

Hey there, my friend. Thank you for your response. So these ex satanists claim their demonic gods wanted blood sacrifice and all the rest of it? The Bible demands all that stuff too. Yahweh demands the blood of animals to satiate his blood lust and even demands the slaughter of first born babies and children. How is this deity any different to the demons you described in your question?

So are the 'demons'of these rosicrucians,ex-occultists etc just aspects of the greater YHWH thoughtform,like good cop bad cop?

I don't think worshipping a god out of fear is a legitimate reason to worship a god at all. I used to be Christian and worshipped Yahweh for the same reasons. But inevitably I left that religion because I found it too alien to the nature of my soul. If you need any other reasons to doubt the legitimacy of this religion then all you have to do is look into some much older mythologies from which the Abrahamic religions have been plagiarised. The Sumerian accounts predate the Bible by thousands of years and tell an alternative version of our creation and the being slandered as Satan is actually the benefactor of humanity.

there is Satan aka Satyan Shiva and there is 'Samael'the 'satan'of the Jews,who is maybe a aspect of the greater YHWH matrix(which is a hivemind of seraphim aka reptilians with golden scales according to the Tzaddikim in their secret texts,a thoughtform egregore entity empowered by the hebrew letters as the Rabbis admit yahweh was formed by shekhinah,which is spiritual energy,and that the torah is a mantra of these letters that empowers the thoutghtform,and then the Top Qabbalistic/Mekuballim Rabbis or Tzaddikim or Tzaddiks,which are the lowest aspect of the YHWH matrix that control the above egregore,though are slaves of the metatron seraphim hivemind complex,and are despised by them,despite all Jewish people having their dna in them and coming from a different universe according to top mekubal rabbi laitman)


I've written various threads on things like this which you may find interesting to read through, if nothing else.

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=46405
This is my Ancient Astronaut Hypothesis thread. Wherein I talk in more depth about the origins of the gods of Orion. The same gods who are renamed throughout various historical cultures. There may be some interesting information in here that resonates well with you.

Shiva and Lalitha are not aliens frpm orion like the JOS states,or they wouldn't be worthy of worship?


There's also various threads I've written on the occult and spirituality which might interest you including these:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=47230
This is a thread about how I interpret the nature of reality through research into Hermetic philosophy and the Hermetic Principles. It serves as a more believable explanation than Yahweh just saying "let there be light" etc.

Yes,Kemetic philosophy is the truth in a african context ...maybe.

These threads might interest you also:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=45751
This is Christianity vs Atheism vs Spirituality. A theological and philosophical debate on which of these models is most believable. You may find some interesting insights in here which are relevant to your question.

Will check it out,thanks.


viewtopic.php?f=15&t=46686
This is a thread I wrote about Society and Spiritual Anatomy and how it is designed to block the functioning of our chakras which can cause both mental and physical problems.

Physical reality and spirituality are intertwined and its important to fortify your spiritual fortitude through occultic practice. Otherwise you leave yourself vulnerable to attacks from angels/demons/reptilian or other hostile entities. In my opinion they are all the same thing.

What you said about Yahweh is interesting. Him being an egregore of the reptilians. I think @Tsar and @Lucas88 might find what you said interesting as well. I agree to an extent. I think christianity itself is a powerful egregore which is in place to snare the spiritually inclined and brainwash them with ideals of servility and submission to authority.

I got atacked by angels in 2019,telling me I was worshipping satan by being a kaula/kashmir shaiva/shakta and when I called on Shiva,he did not help me against these angels,and the attack stopped when I called on Jesus.

How do you explain this,if angels are not more powerful than Shiva,if they are maybe the messengers of the 'true god'yahweh like christians claim?

also why are christians able to banish pagan gods and hindu gods through jesus name?are these just archons impersonating the Gods?seems far-fetched.

[Lucas88]

Hello, my friend

Pixel--Dude and I know about the JOS website but we don't follow it. We are Enkists and have learned much of what we know about occultism from www.loveenki.com.

Like Pixel--Dude, I was a Christian in my early 20s but left that religion once I discovered how evil and psychotic Yahweh is as per the Old Testament and how its rituals and worship practices enslave the soul and damage our spiritual anatomy on a more subtle level.

I'll try to answer your questions.

Dear Brother,I have some questions for you,

1.How do you explain charismatic ex-satanist testimonies,that 'satan'and the 'demons'work to destroy christianity,want blood sacrifices,assasinate people,and cannot destroy belieiving christians,because they have a wall of fire around them,heaven and hell visits,seeing muhammed,buddha and other founders of religions in their hell,and that 'demons'are hindu(and african) goddesses and gods?

As I understand it, most religions and ideologies today are programs of deception created by the false god Yahweh and the hostile entities allied with him (the so-called "angels") and any outward hostility between these systems is nothing more than an act of theater. The same malevolent entities are behind all of them whether it be Judaism, Christianity, "Satanism" or the New Age. Each of these programs of deception has its own egregore with its own thoughtforms and scripts. If not being possessed by demons is consistent with the script of the egregore than believers won't be visibly possessed but they are still nevertheless under the influence of the same hostile entities. The only difference is that the "demons" pose as "angels of light".

The hostile entities might create an illusion of protection for Christians within their churches but at the same time they attack their victims in more subtle ways. As Christians participate in rituals and worship and thereby open themselves up, those evil beings attack the chakras, saturate the aura with negative energy, and slowly drain the victim's lifeforce energy. When I was involved in Christianity, I always felt sick and physically drained and psychologically unstable. I didn't understand why my mental and physical health was worsening. But as soon as I got away from Christianity and started the clean my aura with golden energy meditation, my mental and physical health improved and my life got considerably better. Christianity and other Abrahamic religions only serve to suffocate and harm true Gentile souls.

The enemy is able to project all kinds of visions to those under their influence. You see this with near-death experiences. Some people see angels, ascended masters, Jesus, Buddha, etc. while others encounter demons and hellish scenes. Those people simply see what the entities want them to see. It's the same with "visions" given to Christians who believe themselves to possess the "gift of prophecy". They are shown false visions by their deceptive masters which reflect the script of the egregore to which they belong. If they are Pentecostals, they might see scenes of Heaven and Hell and supposed demons but these are just thoughtforms being relayed to their consciousness.

What Pixel--Dude says is true. It's not just the so-called "Satanic" cults that practice blood sacrifice. The Jewish god Yahweh has been demanding gruesome holocausts since the earliest time of the Old Testament and the central rite of Christianity is nothing more than a simulacrum of the harrowing blood sacrifice of Jesus together with symbolic cannibalism and vampirism yet most Christians don't even realize this. Christianity and the "Satanism" of the Illuminati have the same origin. They are both demonic sacrificial cults created by Yahweh and his minions. Only the superficial veneer differs.

I have heard before from the JOS,that YHWH is a hivemind of reptilians(the metatron) connected to a powerful egregore which is empowered by the hebrew letters of the Torah as a mantra,and that Jesus is the leviathan,the chosen messiah ben david to the top judaic Rabbis of kabbalah,which maybe they control this particular Christ egregore.

they also allegedly created heaven as a soul harvesting center in the astral,and hell as a place in the astral for those that disobey them even on one point(unrepentant sin).

Yahweh (aka El) is the same god as Anu in the Sumerian pantheon. Just like how Yahweh forbade the revelation of divine knowledge to Adam in Genesis, Anu in the Sumerian religion was opposed to Enki teaching Adapa the "Plan of Heaven and Earth" in the sacred city of Eridu.

The Jews are a hostile race which Yahweh created to infiltrate Gentile nations and destroy them from within. The Kabbalah is nothing more than an occult system for the destruction and enslavement of all Gentile souls who are regarded by the Kabbalists as "Qliphoth". The Tikkun Olam is in reality the world which they have planned for our us at the end of this process - i.e., the New World Order. The Christ egregore is simply another deceptive creation of the Jews.

Yes, I too believe that the white light which people see in NDEs hides a soul harvesting trap on the astral plane - a kind of astral gulag. Both the Heaven and Hell realms on the astral plane were created by the hostile entities and are illusory. The best thing that a true Gentile soul can do after bodily death is avoid the white light and any "angelic" beings that they might see and either seek to reincarnate himself/herself or find a breach in the astral matrix and attempt to escape. Souls who are captured are subjected to abuse and then reincarnated by the hostile entities into negative lives. Those who manage to avoid capture might be able to reincarnate themselves and thereby secure for themselves a more favorable incarnation. Doctrines such as "karma" are lies of the enemy.

but the only thing stopping me from believing this and your parallel experience is these charismatic stories,the fact these demons have attacked me when I first left hinduism for christianity,and such things.

I also heard from JOS these demons,which are allegedly jewish thoughtforms and grey aliens,fallen nordic aliens etc mall working together impersonate the Gods of the gentiles.To give them a bad name.

I heard from a JOS poster that samael is a dark aspect of the YHWH thoughtform in kabbalah,maybe his demons are too,as good cop bad cop,but I need your clarification and hopefully experience in knowing this.

I want to live life freely,leave christianity,but I need full proof.

I know the illuminatti believe in christ as the head of their jewish lodge,and that there is some fishy things going on.

But I need proof that what I believe is a deception,and I also need to know how the bible is false.

I feel suffocated under christianity and abrahamic religion,but follow it out of fear.

I think that Pixel--Dude's advice was good. If you follow a religion out of fear, then that religion is obviously devoid of real love and truth.

Judge Christianity by its fruits. Read the Bible and observe how demonic and perverse the Jewish god Yahweh is with his demands for blood sacrifices and all kinds of atrocities. Once you realize that everything about the Christian religion is absolutely evil and psychopathic, it becomes apparent that it is nothing more than a program of control without love or truth. How can anything good come from something as perverse as biblical Judaism (the original Abrahamic religion)? If the root is bad then so will be all of the branches too. Christians are delusional. They worship the absolute evil which masquerades as light (but even then some of the darkness seeps through for everybody to see).

I also found the jewish soul to have a very negative evil dark aspect emanating from it similar to how you described saurians-repitlians just like the JOS says,when I debated some israelis on the street about free energy technology and cosmology,against relativity and einstein in favor of Tesla and walter russel during that mushroom trip.

Yes, many Jews have absolutely vile energy. A subset of their race consists of demonic souls incarnated by the false god Yahweh. They're a race created by the enemy and are his chosen people, after all.

[Lucas88]

I got atacked by angels in 2019,telling me I was worshipping satan by being a kaula/kashmir shaiva/shakta and when I called on Shiva,he did not help me against these angels,and the attack stopped when I called on Jesus.

How do you explain this,if angels are not more powerful than Shiva,if they are maybe the messengers of the 'true god'yahweh like christians claim?

also why are christians able to banish pagan gods and hindu gods through jesus name?are these just archons impersonating the Gods?seems far-fetched.

Yes, a lot of impersonation takes plane. The entities which attack are usually just thoughtforms of the enemy. They appear as demons, Pagan gods, etc. It's not really far-fetched when one understands how egregores work.

Enki and our true ancestral gods were banished from the Earth millennia ago after Yahweh and his clique invaded. You see this in the mythology of the Watchers/angels of the Dragon being chained up in the abyss until the end of time and the incarceration of Prometheus. Enki and our true ancestral gods are still locked outside of the enemy's matrix. Because of this they are unable to reach us for the most part (other than instances of contact on the astral plane if one is sufficiently psychic) and we largely remain at the mercy of evil entities. This is why we must work to strengthen our own aura and develop our own spiritual power without having to rely on external entities.

Christians can't really banish Pagan gods. The vast majority of Christians have little spiritual power. Many of them live horrible lives. They can't even sort out their own worldly problems yet alone engage in spiritual warfare with supernatural beings. In most cases their faith in "Jesus" doesn't really help them at all. The occasional "miracles" and "exorcisms" that you might witness in churches are just to attract more followers.

[Kalinago]

@Lucas88,Will reply in depth later but I just wanted to say I also have that drainage spiritually as a Abrahamic and Christian, confused and cursed.

That said sai baba of Shirdi answered many of my prayers,can I still follow him as a great siddha?

[Kalinago]

I got atacked by angels in 2019,telling me I was worshipping satan by being a kaula/kashmir shaiva/shakta and when I called on Shiva,he did not help me against these angels,and the attack stopped when I called on Jesus.

How do you explain this,if angels are not more powerful than Shiva,if they are maybe the messengers of the 'true god'yahweh like christians claim?

also why are christians able to banish pagan gods and hindu gods through jesus name?are these just archons impersonating the Gods?seems far-fetched.

Yes, a lot of impersonation takes plane. The entities which attack are usually just thoughtforms of the enemy. They appear as demons, Pagan gods, etc. It's not really far-fetched when one understands how egregores work.

Enki and our true ancestral gods were banished from the Earth millennia ago after Yahweh and his clique invaded. You see this in the mythology of the Watchers/angels of the Dragon being chained up in the abyss until the end of time and the incarceration of Prometheus. Enki and our true ancestral gods are still locked outside of the enemy's matrix. Because of this they are unable to reach us for the most part (other than instances of contact on the astral plane if one is sufficiently psychic) and we largely remain at the mercy of evil entities. This is why we must work to strengthen our own aura and develop our own spiritual power without having to rely on external entities.

Christians can't really banish Pagan gods. The vast majority of Christians have little spiritual power. Many of them live horrible lives. They can't even sort out their own worldly problems yet alone engage in spiritual warfare with supernatural beings. In most cases their faith in "Jesus" doesn't really help them at all. The occasional "miracles" and "exorcisms" that you might witness in churches are just to attract more followers.

This makes sense,but why is the bible'false'?every contradiction can be answered by an apologist it seems,except for some of the ones on Steven dimattei's website with the conflicting itineraries of the Torah.

[Kalinago]

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=550

must Read @Winston

[Lucas88]

This makes sense,but why is the bible'false'?every contradiction can be answered by an apologist it seems,except for some of the ones on Steven dimattei's website with the conflicting itineraries of the Torah.

Rather what reason is there to believe that the Bible is true?

First, take a look at its authorship. The Old Testament mostly consists of psychotic rants by the priests and "prophets" of the psychopathic Jewish god Yahweh who through these demented men gives detailed instructions for blood sacrifices and frequently asks for the mass immolation of thousands of animal offerings at a time as well as merciless massacres of men, women and children (sometimes even newborns) and countless other atrocities. Does that sound like something that a real god and true creator of the universe would ever desire? Then most of the books of the New Testament were written by a murdering hook-nosed sociopath who was likewise obsessed with blood sacrifice for the remission of sins and claimed to encounter Jesus in a vision on the way to Damascus. Murdering Jewish sociopaths with connections to the Sanhedrin like Saul of Tarsus are the founders of the Christianity and the people whom Christians regard as their "saints". Those scumbags are the authors of the religion's "holy book". Is their testimony really trustworthy?

Second, parts of Genesis are plagiarized from much older sources such as the Sumerian texts albeit with distortions and inversions. For example, the Eden story with the Serpent and Adam is a copy of the Sumerian story of Adapa. In the original Sumerian version, Enki - also known in Sumerian religion as Ushumgal or "great serpent" - teaches his human protégé Adapa the "Plan of Heaven and Earth" and gives him godlike powers against the will of Anu, which in turn enrages the latter and causes him to hate humanity. But in Sumerian religion Enki appears as a great benefactor of humanity, not as an adversary. The flood myth was also plagiarized from a Sumerian source. According to the Sumerian version, some of the gods of higher rank decided to send the flood because they were tired of humanity, but Enki saved Ziusudra (the Sumerian equivalent of Noah) from the cataclysm. Yes, Enki saved humanity, but the Bible inverts this by attributing the salvation of Noah to Yahweh.

Which is most likely to be true? The original Sumerian account thousands of years older or the biblical account plagiarized millennia later by lying Jews who worship a demonic psychopath and with a chosen people complex and a biblical plan to enslave and destroy all other nations?

Third, is it really true that all of the Bible's contradictions can be adequately explained by apologists? I've seen some pretty brutal criticisms and exposés of glaring contradictions over the years. The rationalizations of apologists might be convincing to people who already believe in the religion and who therefore want to believe that it's true no matter what or are controlled by fear, but to non-believers and agnostics - people who aren't under the influence of Christianity's egregore and thoughtforms - many of the explanations have faulty logic and are not very convincing at all. Once you begin to examine the Bible with a clear mind and with skepticism as opposed to blind faith, its spell largely dissolves and its many absurdities come to light.

Once you become aware of these things and realize that the Bible is also a book written by the Jews for our subversion and subjugation, there is really no reason to believe that it is true in any way.