Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
- willymonfrete
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Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
God cannot have location as he is a pure intellect and infinite and not in need of anything,a place limits God to that place.
There cannot be more than one neccassery being because:Suppose 2 necessary existents. A and B. If A is distinct from B as a result of something that follows from necessity of existence, then B would share that feature (after all, it, too, is necessarily existent) and the two would not be distinguished after all.
This is basic Liebniz' law of indiscernables,that two entities or objects cannot have the exact same attributes.
Also what differs multiple things from each other in contigent existance is location,time,mode of existing wich cannot apply to God.
But if A is distinct from B as a result of something not implied by necessity of existence, then this individuating factor will be a cause for A (since it makes A exist separately from B), and this will compromise the necessity of A.
Suppose that there are two necessary existents, A and B, which exist together, neither causing the other, and both being necessary. This time, we ask not what makes A and B distinct, but what accounts for their being together in necessary existence.
If either A or B is the reason for this, then it causes the other to be together with it which violates the assumption that both are uncaused. If something other than A or B is the cause, this is even worse: both A and B will be caused.
Ultimately it amounts to this: If an existent is necessary, then everything about it must be necessary. A necessary existent cannot “just happen” to have an equal partner, or, indeed, “just happen” to have any other trait.
the uniqueness of the First is after all established by its being uncaused, and not its being a cause.
The Latin model is also false,because God cannot have events in him and events or relational qua objects cannot have agency,will,consciousness or action,see https://bloggingtheology.net/2016/05/26 ... hilosophy/.
https://trinities.org/blog/?s=Leftow
The idea that God can come into creation is wrong,and the Hypostatic union is not only wrong logically speaking but it is a self-refuting contradiction because a entity cannot be two opposing (finite,infinite,necassery,contingent,unconditioned,conditioned,all-powerful,impotent,omnsicient,ignorant)things at the same time.
See Abdullah Kunde completely destroy christian scholar James White on this issue:
full:
There cannot be more than one neccassery being because:Suppose 2 necessary existents. A and B. If A is distinct from B as a result of something that follows from necessity of existence, then B would share that feature (after all, it, too, is necessarily existent) and the two would not be distinguished after all.
This is basic Liebniz' law of indiscernables,that two entities or objects cannot have the exact same attributes.
Also what differs multiple things from each other in contigent existance is location,time,mode of existing wich cannot apply to God.
But if A is distinct from B as a result of something not implied by necessity of existence, then this individuating factor will be a cause for A (since it makes A exist separately from B), and this will compromise the necessity of A.
Suppose that there are two necessary existents, A and B, which exist together, neither causing the other, and both being necessary. This time, we ask not what makes A and B distinct, but what accounts for their being together in necessary existence.
If either A or B is the reason for this, then it causes the other to be together with it which violates the assumption that both are uncaused. If something other than A or B is the cause, this is even worse: both A and B will be caused.
Ultimately it amounts to this: If an existent is necessary, then everything about it must be necessary. A necessary existent cannot “just happen” to have an equal partner, or, indeed, “just happen” to have any other trait.
the uniqueness of the First is after all established by its being uncaused, and not its being a cause.
The Latin model is also false,because God cannot have events in him and events or relational qua objects cannot have agency,will,consciousness or action,see https://bloggingtheology.net/2016/05/26 ... hilosophy/.
https://trinities.org/blog/?s=Leftow
The idea that God can come into creation is wrong,and the Hypostatic union is not only wrong logically speaking but it is a self-refuting contradiction because a entity cannot be two opposing (finite,infinite,necassery,contingent,unconditioned,conditioned,all-powerful,impotent,omnsicient,ignorant)things at the same time.
See Abdullah Kunde completely destroy christian scholar James White on this issue:
full:

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Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
Software is pure intellect but it can run on hardware. Hence it is possible for the software comprising the mind of God - the Logos - to run on a modified human brain - that of Jesus. The Trinity in the Bible is a way to explain the relationship between the living Jesus and God the Father and in that light it makes sense. As a way of understanding the timeless nature of God it would appear to be nonsense.
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Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
Software is not 'pure intellect',Software and the human Spirit and Ego are contigent creations.Not pure Existance and pure being.Cornfed wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 5:01 amSoftware is pure intellect but it can run on hardware. Hence it is possible for the software comprising the mind of God - the Logos - to run on a modified human brain - that of Jesus. The Trinity in the Bible is a way to explain the relationship between the living Jesus and God the Father and in that light it makes sense. As a way of understanding the timeless nature of God it would appear to be nonsense.
A neccassery Unconditioned being cannot become contigent and Conditioned because it's essential attributes are all neccassery as Neccassery existance' attributes are all neccassery and God cannot have accidental properties,or He wouldn't be God or be uncreated(his essence would be distinct from his existance like created beings).
Again,even your christian philosophers agree with this premise.
Any being who's Essence is it's Existance is uncreated,any being that doesn't have this is created.
it is also self-refuting to say a being can be two contradicting attributes at the same time like finite and infinite,unlimited and limited etc
also a unconditioned reality must be sole unconditioned reality and absolutely one because modes of being are differentiatied by factors such as space, time, or a Modes of existence etc
if a second Divine Entity is differentiated by space, then it's going to be restricted to existing here and not there. If it is differentiated by time, then it’s going to be restricted to existing now instead of then. If the Second divine Being is differentiated by a Mode, then it’s going to be restricted to existing in this way instead of some other way,wich would be a contigent and accidental property.
the the differentiating factor that distinguishes Divine Being Number 2 from 1 precludes Divine being number 2 from being pure being or pure existence.
Neccassery pure reality cannot have any type of restriction/accident/contigent property that is distinct from its act of being. And since multiplicity necessitates some restriction/accident, it follows that there cannot be a multiplicity of unconditioned realities that have their Existance as their Essence(created beings all have their existance seperate from their Essence according to Thomas Aquinas ),only one unconditioned reality must exist because Divine being 2 would be dependent upon something outside itself for its restricted mode of being.
Because again,all attributes of a Neccassery being are Necassery.
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Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
LOL Wow, never thought I would find this kind of thread on HA 

Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
Cornfed is on a mission from God...comparing him or them with Software and Hardware... 

Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
Not sure I quite follow, but you seem to be interpreting the incarnation more literally than it merits. You could think of it a bit like God, who is outside the time and space of the Universe, writing himself a bit part in a movie. The actor and action in the movie does not have to be identical with the actual God.willymonfrete wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 7:54 amSoftware is not 'pure intellect',Software and the human Spirit and Ego are contigent creations.Not pure Existance and pure being.Cornfed wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 5:01 amSoftware is pure intellect but it can run on hardware. Hence it is possible for the software comprising the mind of God - the Logos - to run on a modified human brain - that of Jesus. The Trinity in the Bible is a way to explain the relationship between the living Jesus and God the Father and in that light it makes sense. As a way of understanding the timeless nature of God it would appear to be nonsense.
A neccassery Unconditioned being cannot become contigent and Conditioned because it's essential attributes are all neccassery as Neccassery existance' attributes are all neccassery and God cannot have accidental properties,or He wouldn't be God or be uncreated(his essence would be distinct from his existance like created beings).
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Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
This is heresyCornfed wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 9:53 amNot sure I quite follow, but you seem to be interpreting the incarnation more literally than it merits. You could think of it a bit like God, who is outside the time and space of the Universe, writing himself a bit part in a movie. The actor and action in the movie does not have to be identical with the actual God.willymonfrete wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 7:54 amSoftware is not 'pure intellect',Software and the human Spirit and Ego are contigent creations.Not pure Existance and pure being.Cornfed wrote: ↑April 29th, 2022, 5:01 amSoftware is pure intellect but it can run on hardware. Hence it is possible for the software comprising the mind of God - the Logos - to run on a modified human brain - that of Jesus. The Trinity in the Bible is a way to explain the relationship between the living Jesus and God the Father and in that light it makes sense. As a way of understanding the timeless nature of God it would appear to be nonsense.
A neccassery Unconditioned being cannot become contigent and Conditioned because it's essential attributes are all neccassery as Neccassery existance' attributes are all neccassery and God cannot have accidental properties,or He wouldn't be God or be uncreated(his essence would be distinct from his existance like created beings).
Re: Trinity is not logically possible,neither the incarnation
Heresy against which religion? The only religion that deals with the incarnation is Christianity and you are certainly not stating anything consistent with any version of Christianity.
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