Bunny Ranch now charges $1500 and calls it reasonable?! WTF?!

[Winston]

Below: Bunny Ranch owner Dennis Hof and his overpriced delusional bunnies, who think that $1000 - $1500 are "reasonable" and "affordable" prices when the standard rate for P4P in the USA has been $200 for years.





Check this out. It's totally laughable. The Moonlite Bunny Ranch actually claims that it's ripoff prices of $1000 - $1500 are "affordable and reasonable". lol

On their website FAQ page, it says:

http://www.bunnyranch.com/faq.html

"13. How much is a "party"?
There are no set prices. Each girl is an independent contractor and therefore establishes her own services and pricing. Legally, we cannot quote prices, but all the prices are reasonable and negotiable. The ladies work with all budgets. If it weren't affordable we wouldn't have been here for over 50 years."

Uh excuse me stupid, you forgot to mention that it was affordable 10 years ago when prices were around $200. But since then you've raised prices 500 percent to $1000 - $1500, which is why your parking lots are empty nowadays, whereas it was far busier in the 1990's when I first went there.

And on Yelp, one of their obvious shills named Kathleen wrote:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/moonlite-bunnyranch-mound-house

"the best brothel in nevada, has the most QUALITY ladies for reasonable rates! Of course service is exceptional."

That's the dumbest lie anyone can say. One cannot charge whatever they want and call it "reasonable". What an insult to the intelligence! What are they smoking? The standard rate of P4P (pay per pleasure) in the USA is $200. Even the Las Vegas escorts who seek customers at hotels on the strip ask for $400.

But the Bunny Ranch girls charge $1000 to $1500 for an hour of lousy sex. That's 5 times the standard rate! 500 percent of the standard rate is NOT reasonable. Dummy. Get real. You can't just charge any outrageous price and call it "reasonable". That's so dumb and stupid. If I charged one million dollars for a stick of chewing gum and called it a "reasonable price", would that make it so? Of course not. Duh. They are either dishonest and stupid, or totally delusional.

Here on the Howard Stern forum, the posters are talking about the Bunny Ranch's ripoff prices and how they are not worth it.

http://www.sternfannetwork.com/xen/inde ... ch.631033/

They also mention that in the 1990's, they could get P4P there for $150. That's true. The first time I went there was in 1996 when I went to the Kit Kat Ranch. I got a sexy white girl who only charged me $150. So I don't know what happened. But raising rates from $200 to $1000 or $1500 is quite ridiculous and without justification. What kind of price rises 500 percent for no reason like that?

Better to go overseas where you can get P4P for much less, such as Philippines and Thailand where it starts at $30. Poland and Amsterdam also have brothels for $30 a lay. Even in Canada, the brothels are $200 for both room and tip. So charging $1000 is off the chart stupid and unreal. What are Dennis Hof and his whores smoking that they think they can get away with that? Especially when the economy of the US is in a down cycle and people are struggling?

It's no surprise that the Bunny Ranch and the group of Mound House brothels across the road are empty these days with hardly any customers. They were a lot busier in the 1990's. So when any schmuck does occasionally come by, they have to take advantage of it and put high pressure on get him to agree to thousand dollar prices. That's what happened to me it seems.

[xiongmao]

Sure, you can find a woman in Thailand for 1000 baht or less ($12?). But the escort agencies in Thailand charge a whole lot more - same as this place.

The advantages of agencies is that you've got a bit more comeback if the girl is no good, or turns up, or robs you. And all of this is less likely to happen with an agency.

Incidentally, shouldn't this be in the NSFW forum or have you given up with AdSense?

[Teal Lantern]

W, are you gonna open a competing venue?

Name it "Happier, Right Here" ?

You look more like a brothel owner than Hof, any day.



"Betta have my money!"

[jamesbond]

Check this out. It's totally laughable. The Moonlite Bunny Ranch actually claims that it's ripoff prices of $1000 - $1500 are "affordable and reasonable". lol

The reason why the prices are so high, is because p4p in the US is illegal (except for two counties in Nevada) so these brothel owners can charge whatever they want.

In Germany, where p4p is legal, the average cost is 60 euros which is only $72 American dollars! Also, in Germany there are one million women who are hoes, so there is lot's of competition, so the cost of p4p has to stay low.

If p4p became legal in the US, you would see the Bunny Ranch lower their prices quickly, they would have to, in order to compete with what other brothel's would be charging (probably around $150 to $200).

[Winston]

Sure, you can find a woman in Thailand for 1000 baht or less ($12?). But the escort agencies in Thailand charge a whole lot more - same as this place.

The advantages of agencies is that you've got a bit more comeback if the girl is no good, or turns up, or robs you. And all of this is less likely to happen with an agency.

Incidentally, shouldn't this be in the NSFW forum or have you given up with AdSense?

Yeah but no agency in Thailand charges $1500. Get real. You can't compare that.

There are no adult images or nudity in this thread, so it can stay out of the NSFW section for now.

Besides, this thread should stay up to let guys in the US know that there are better options for P4P overseas. It sucks that in the US, if a guy is horny, his only options are to go to Nevada and spend $1000. Ridiculous.

You can even go to Canada and the brothels there are $200. There are also escort agencies in the US that charge $200, and sites like MyRedBook do too.

You look more like a brothel owner than Hof, any day.

Stop lying. I do not look like a brothel owner and I would never own a seedy business like that. A spiritual truth seeker doesn't go that route. It's one thing to be a client once in a while, but not an owner or manager. Too much trouble to deal with.

[Winston]

Check this out. It's totally laughable. The Moonlite Bunny Ranch actually claims that it's ripoff prices of $1000 - $1500 are "affordable and reasonable". lol

The reason why the prices are so high, is because p4p in the US is illegal (except for two counties in Nevada) so these brothel owners can charge whatever they want.

In Germany, where p4p is legal, the average cost is 60 euros which is only $72 American dollars! Also, in Germany there are one million women who are hoes, so there is lot's of competition, so the cost of p4p has to stay low.

If p4p became legal in the US, you would see the Bunny Ranch lower their prices quickly, they would have to, in order to compete with what other brothel's would be charging (probably around $150 to $200).

But why did they charge $200 before? That's what it's been for years. Why raise prices now by 5 times? Especially in the sinking US economy.

How do they survive with such prices? When I was there, the parking lots of all the brothels were empty. No customers. But when I first went there in 1996, the parking lots had cars. There were customers. The first girl I got there, at the Kit Kat Ranch, charged me $150.

I don't think the hoes raised the prices. The owner and management must have something to do with it. The girls there act like they are entitled to $1000. I wonder who told them they are worth that much.

Also, why do they lie and call their rates "reasonable"? No one thinks $1000 - $1500 is reasonable. Why are they lying and damaging their credibility? There's nothing to gain from lying like that since it won't fool anyone. Very illogical.

[Winston]

So does anyone have a logical explanation for the exponential and abnormal price increase in the Nevada brothels from $150 - $200 to $1000 - $1500? No one seems to have one.

[Teal Lantern]

So does anyone have a logical explanation for the exponential and abnormal price increase in the Nevada brothels from $150 - $200 to $1000 - $1500? No one seems to have one.

The market will bear the price.
There are enough well-heeled and thirsty men coming through, they can keep the doors open even at those rates, all while doing even less "work".

[Rock]

So does anyone have a logical explanation for the exponential and abnormal price increase in the Nevada brothels from $150 - $200 to $1000 - $1500? No one seems to have one.

$1,000 is 5 times $200. Maybe, business wants to maximize revenue.

Let's say with low prices, brothel gets 10 customers a day willing to pay $200 each for a shag. That generates a daily shag revenue of $2,000. Now if they up the prices to $1,000 a shag, they only need 2 customers to generate that same revenue. And it requires just 20% as much work (only 2 shags instead of 10).

So perhaps Hof discovered that at the high prices, they get the same or better revenue (2 or more paying customers for ho service vs. 10 at old pries). So why wouldn't he raise the prices? After all, a lot more revenue is generated with even just 3 customers paying $1,000 a pop vs. 10 paying $200 ($3,000 vs. $2,000).

It really depends on how the broader market operates (supply vs. demand, etc.). Consider the most effective pricing strategies of monopolies / colluding oligopolies vs. perfectly competitive markets. Have you researched the competitive dynamics in that industry? Perhaps a brothel license is very hard to come by (big barrier to entry) creating an uncompetitive market and making it easy for business owners who have one to collude.

And it's pretty pathetic that you're obsessing about brothels in the States, really very sad. We're now in second quarter of 2014. The years are flying by. Back in 2011, we were talking about you going to China and Thailand. Now 3 years, gone like that. As a figurehead of this movement, you are becoming a laughing stock for detractors.

[Winston]

Rock,
If that's so, then Dennis Hof is a real asshole and shark. He also brags to the media that he "sells sex like McDonald's sells hamburgers". That's a stupid analogy since McDonald's does not inflate prices to the point that only a small percentage can afford them. Very bad analogy.

Also in the depressed economy of the US, you'd think he'd lower prices, not increase them.

Btw, $1500 is 10 times $150. So it's an exponential increase. I paid $150 in 1996. It depends on what price range you want to compare.

I'm not obsessing about it. I'm just trying to use the power of the internet to expose this injustice and travesty, which is disappointing to me. I'm not like you Rock. You only care about yourself and about making money money and getting girls. I care about larger issues like injustice and exposing bad things. I live for a larger picture than you do. You only care about your own immediate needs and see everything else as irrelevant. To me, that's narrow.

I'm not obsessing about it. I just put up one article about it. I put up many articles about many things.

Yes it's sad and pathetic that time is so easily wasted. It's not my fault that it passes. When I was 6 or 7 years old, I already noticed that every moment was slipping into oblivion, which made me feel like life was ultimately meaningless and empty. It was a sad realization. I don't think very many boys at 6 or 7 have that thought.

Besides, a lot of great figures have slumps where they go into seclusion. After an exciting life, Howard Hughes went into seclusion for years. So did Bobby Fischer after winning the world chess championship under a lot of pressure. You gotta understand that really bright and unusual people have complicated issues behind the scenes. But you aren't a student of history, so perhaps you don't care.

If something doesn't help you make money or get you girls, it doesn't interest you. That's been your pattern. That's why when I talk to you about history, religion, philosophy, theology, metaphysics, etc. you become disinterested and have no contribution to such topics that you consider a waste of time.

Well I'm not like that. I have too many interests and hobbies and study too many subjects. That's why I am highly knowledgeable in over a dozen subjects. It makes me very diverse but it takes up too much time too, as you might have observed.

You forget that I'm a spiritual truth seeker too. My life isn't just about money and women, like yours is. My life is a lot more multi-dimensional than that.

In addition, you don't know what it's like running several websites and blogs. There are hundreds of things you have fix, update, change, maintain, make decisions about, etc. And one change often results in several others that are related. Even in a typical blog, there are hundreds of settings and options you have to configure. It's a lot more complicated and time consuming than you can imagine. And it makes your life a lot more complicated than the average person's. You have to juggle hundreds of issues in your head. It requires a lot of mental gymnastics and it takes a lot out of you.

So running an online income, while great in many ways, is also a lot more tedious than you can imagine.

[C.J.]

Business 101: Treat your customers "right". Aside from that, do whatever it takes to profit.

Winston, the owner knows that things are gonna get hairy soon. He's right to charge that amount, if people keep coming. The only way he's gonna be wrong, is if less and less customers come(to the point where the employees start leaving), or generally resent the place enough to destroy it financially, or physically. Whatever comes first.

Besides who cares about his place, if I can[*ahem*theoretically*ahem*] get babfast for as low as $100 in "certain places"? Didn't even know 'bout the Bunny Ranch until you posted about it!

[Rock]

Rock,
If that's so, then Dennis Hof is a real asshole and shark. He also brags to the media that he "sells sex like McDonald's sells hamburgers". That's a stupid analogy since McDonald's does not inflate prices to the point that only a small percentage can afford them. Very bad analogy.

Also in the depressed economy of the US, you'd think he'd lower prices, not increase them.

Btw, $1500 is 10 times $150. So it's an exponential increase. I paid $150 in 1996. It depends on what price range you want to compare.

I'm not obsessing about it. I'm just trying to use the power of the internet to expose this injustice and travesty, which is disappointing to me. I'm not like you Rock. You only care about yourself and about making money money and getting girls. I care about larger issues like injustice and exposing bad things. I live for a larger picture than you do. You only care about your own immediate needs and see everything else as irrelevant. To me, that's narrow.

I'm not obsessing about it. I just put up one article about it. I put up many articles about many things.

Yes it's sad and pathetic that time is so easily wasted. It's not my fault that it passes. When I was 6 or 7 years old, I already noticed that every moment was slipping into oblivion, which made me feel like life was ultimately meaningless and empty. It was a sad realization. I don't think very many boys at 6 or 7 have that thought.

Besides, a lot of great figures have slumps where they go into seclusion. After an exciting life, Howard Hughes went into seclusion for years. So did Bobby Fischer after winning the world chess championship under a lot of pressure. You gotta understand that really bright and unusual people have complicated issues behind the scenes. But you aren't a student of history, so perhaps you don't care.

If something doesn't help you make money or get you girls, it doesn't interest you. That's been your pattern. That's why when I talk to you about history, religion, philosophy, theology, metaphysics, etc. you become disinterested and have no contribution to such topics that you consider a waste of time.

Well I'm not like that. I have too many interests and hobbies and study too many subjects. That's why I am highly knowledgeable in over a dozen subjects. It makes me very diverse but it takes up too much time too, as you might have observed.

You forget that I'm a spiritual truth seeker too. My life isn't just about money and women, like yours is. My life is a lot more multi-dimensional than that.

In addition, you don't know what it's like running several websites and blogs. There are hundreds of things you have fix, update, change, maintain, make decisions about, etc. And one change often results in several others that are related. Even in a typical blog, there are hundreds of settings and options you have to configure. It's a lot more complicated and time consuming than you can imagine. And it makes your life a lot more complicated than the average person's. You have to juggle hundreds of issues in your head. It requires a lot of mental gymnastics and it takes a lot out of you.

So running an online income, while great in many ways, is also a lot more tedious than you can imagine.

Winston, it ain't a church! It's a brothel, a bordello. You have no moral high ground. Everyone knows such businesses are overwhelmingly run by greedy, unsavory, types if not downright criminals or mafia. The guy is gonna lie, steal, cheat, etc. as much as he can get away with in such away to maximize his own personal profits. If he could charge $100,000 a pop and get customers to pay that, do you think he would hesitate for one second.

If you are so pissed-off about it, hit it at the demand side. Set a better Happier Abroad role model instead of being some clown hitting strip clubs and brothels in the States. Maybe then, those customers paying $1,500 per time would wisen-up and follow in your footsteps. But how can you expect that to happen when all you can do is masturbate in your Vegas living room? Get real please.

As for your moralizing and criticizing me for being a selfish money and girl chaser, that's hypocritical. Who profits from putting up adds from scam business models like Airking's PI business, you or me? Who gets paid for all the traffic our content generates, you or me? And who takes the time to expose such stuff even when it costs me in terms of relationships, you or me?

I've done my best to help out members hoping to achieve a happier life abroad. I'm still mentoring Monkro who will go back to Taiwan soon. I get no girls or money for this. And who is always trying to get you to wake-up and do what would be better for both this movement and yourself personally? I get no girls or money for that.

If you stopped what you are doing now, spent a few days packing and preparing, then went to a new and interesting country, your websites would do fine Moreover, your power and traction as a symbol of the movement would re-emerge if you were to once again enjoy some real practical successes at living and thriving abroad. Reminiscing about shit that happened over 10 years ago doesn't cut it. Get out of your head and into the real physical world. Save all that memory lane shit for when you reach your 80s.

[C.J.]

Winston, it ain't a church! It's a brothel, a bordello.
*bla bla bla awesome*

+100

BTW Winston, what IS stopping you from traveling or at the very least, going on short domestic adventures and pretty much just living it up? Maybe you need some more disposable income?

[Winston]

Winston, it ain't a church! It's a brothel, a bordello. You have no moral high ground. Everyone knows such businesses are overwhelmingly run by greedy, unsavory, types if not downright criminals or mafia. The guy is gonna lie, steal, cheat, etc. as much as he can get away with in such away to maximize his own personal profits. If he could charge $100,000 a pop and get customers to pay that, do you think he would hesitate for one second.

True. But churches are not always moral either. Churches have done many bad things throughout history. We don't need to get into that. But anyway, sure brothel owners are not supposed to be moral. But all the ones I know besides Dennis Hof DO NOT charge $1500 a pop! Even the ones in Canada charge $200. And escort agencies in the US charge $200, which is the standard rate. And in AC, you can have it for $15 - $30. So not being moral doesn't mean charging $1500.

If you are so pissed-off about it, hit it at the demand side. Set a better Happier Abroad role model instead of being some clown hitting strip clubs and brothels in the States. Maybe then, those customers paying $1,500 per time would wisen-up and follow in your footsteps. But how can you expect that to happen when all you can do is masturbate in your Vegas living room? Get real please.

Easy. By putting up web page that get ranked in Google, people who Google "Bunny Ranch" will find them and know. Internet marketing is done by computer you know. lol :p

As for your moralizing and criticizing me for being a selfish money and girl chaser, that's hypocritical. Who profits from putting up adds from scam business models like Airking's PI business, you or me? Who gets paid for all the traffic our content generates, you or me? And who takes the time to expose such stuff even when it costs me in terms of relationships, you or me?

I've done my best to help out members hoping to achieve a happier life abroad. I'm still mentoring Monkro who will go back to Taiwan soon. I get no girls or money for this. And who is always trying to get you to wake-up and do what would be better for both this movement and yourself personally? I get no girls or money for that.

That's not what I mean. Yes you do generously give of your time to help others. I'm talking about your interest in INTELLECTUAL TOPICS is highly limited. Your topics of interest revolve around only the following:

1. Making money/financial matters.
2. Dating women.
3. Asian culture and lifestyle.

If I try to talk to you about religion, theology, history, philosophy, spirituality, etc. you have nothing to say, whether online or offline. Such topics are useless to you. You don't even participate in forum threads about such topics. Even Momopi, who is also strongly left brained and practical like you, has an encyclopedic knowledge of history. How come you don't?

I bet if I were to ask you basic questions about Jesus and Buddha, you'd fail to answer them. Because learning about Jesus and Buddha does not help you make money or date women. lol. Right? If I asked you basic questions about the Roman Empire, you wouldn't know them either, without using Google. You don't have interest in many subjects. Unless they help you make money or get girls.

That's what I mean. You see, I spend a lot of time reading books, ordering books from Amazon, and watching hundreds of documentaries. You don't. I have too many areas of interests, not just girls and money. That was my point.

I do acknowledge that you are helpful and generous in many ways. And of course I try to monetize this site as best as I can. But we are talking about intellectual interests here, which I expend too much time on for my own good perhaps. A person isn't supposed to have as many interests as I do. lol

If you stopped what you are doing now, spent a few days packing and preparing, then went to a new and interesting country, your websites would do fine Moreover, your power and traction as a symbol of the movement would re-emerge if you were to once again enjoy some real practical successes at living and thriving abroad. Reminiscing about shit that happened over 10 years ago doesn't cut it. Get out of your head and into the real physical world. Save all that memory lane shit for when you reach your 80s.

Yeah but I don't have the energy for constant travel. Even the Russia trips eventually took a lot out of me. Some people get burned out. Remember Bobby Fischer? After the high stress and tension of the world chess championship, he burned out and didn't want to do it again the following year. After winning the first time, he had nothing more to gain and only something to lose, so it wasn't worth it.

Btw, my web traffic comes from my SEO skills, unique quality content, and from participation from everyone here. Not from my continued travels. Yes traveling produces content, but that's only one factor.

Also, newer does not equal better. That's a fallacy that the elite want you to adopt, so you will conform to whatever crap they put out into society. If newer = better, then how come most of what's on TV is trash? How come most modern music is trash? In the past, only high quality stuff was allowed on TV. In many cases, older = higher quality. Do you ever consider that?

Do you think that the stupid Twilight movies are better than the all time great masterpieces like "Gone with the Wind' just because they are "newer"? lol. Watch "Gone with the Wind" and you will marvel at how high quality the acting was. It blows away any of the acting in the movies today.

[Winston]

Winston, it ain't a church! It's a brothel, a bordello.
*bla bla bla awesome*

+100

BTW Winston, what IS stopping you from traveling or at the very least, going on short domestic adventures and pretty much just living it up? Maybe you need some more disposable income?

Why +100? That doesn't make sense. See my previous post. Just because brothel owners aren't ethical, doesn't mean that they charge $1500. Only one owner does that, Dennis Hof. The rest don't. So that's not a logical explanation. Otherwise, every brothel owner would be charging that, but they don't. Thus the post does not deserve a +100 from you. So your +100 is not logical.

Money is not the problem. I have about 25k USD saved up. The problem is this:

viewtopic.php?p=173826#173826

I have taken short domestic excursions. That's why I'm ready to get out of here. But too many problems keep getting thrown in front of me.