Anybody else from the UK on this site?

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Well, I've been lurking on this site on and off now for around 6 months and today have finally taken the plunge to register, since I've now pretty much made up my mind as to the senselessness of attempting to pursue a British woman for a relationship.

A little bit about me and the situation I find myself in: I am British-born, 5' 8" and of slim build. I came out of a long-term relationship (11 years) with a German woman a year ago and I had been living in and around the Hannover area of Germany until August, 2013, where I had been teaching English as a foreign language. After the break-up, I decided to return to the U.K. and attempt to re-establish myself here - a decision which has certainly had quite fateful consequences as far as my dating prospects are concerned.

One of the first things I noticed upon my return to these shores was the preponderance of obese women relative to obese men. Furthermore, it quickly became apparent that the men are often not only slimmer, but in much better shape (i.e. with well-toned and often "beefcake" physiques, smartly-dressed, et.c.) than their female compatriots and this to a degree that was almost hard to fathom at first. I wondered initially whether this wasn't some form of selective perception on my part - perhaps I was simply engaging in "catastrophic thinking" - extrapolating from a few cases to a general rule of doom and gloom. But over time I have come to realize that this is. indeed, the case and that it is, regrettably, a reality that I must take into account when looking for a relatively slim-ish partner. Don't misunderstand me, though, on this point - I don't have anything against a woman "with a few extra pounds" - so long as she is still height/weight proportionate; I am talking rather of those ladies who are totally pear-shaped and where it is really very difficult to overlook the excess fat that they've accumulated. After all, a woman demands that their partner is nothing less than sexy and "fit", along with a laundry list of other "requirements", so why should men not expect the same to a reasonable degree, as is the case in most countries in the world?

It has slowly become clear to me that the degree to which obesity has affected women in this country has resulted in a fierce competition for the ever-diminishing number of relatively slim and attractive ladies, a competition in which significant height, wealth and muscular build are now absolute prerequisites to even bag oneself a modestly attractive women (physically-speaking). The female obsesity epidemic has also had the rather perverse effect that the greater the number of women become overweight, the less pressure there is on them as a gender to lose weight, since they believe that men have no other options other than to settle for whatever than can get on the dating market.

Even more depressing, though, than the weight issue, is the issue of the character of the majority of British - especially English - women that I have encountered since my return. They give off a very haughty and arrogant vibe, as if they are little princesses, for the most part when encountering them as a stranger, a vibe that is often mixed with a strong degree of paranoia towards strangers, especially of the opposite gender. One of the most visible examples of this, which I believe any man who has lived on these shores can attest to, is the following scenario: You are walking down the street, minding your own business and briefly glancing around you as you do so and you become aware of a woman of roughly your own age approaching you on the pavement. You will observe, along with the apparently permanently-etched scowl adorning her countenance, a tendency for her to quickly and disdainfully flick her head away as she nears you, irrespective of whether you were even looking directly in her direction or not. This is not an isolated observation, by the way - it is the case with nearly every woman I encounter these days.

Aside from the arrogance and haughtiness is a whole host of other negative characteristics which have been spoken of by others previously on this forum - their propensity for drunken and irresponsible behaviours, their tendency towards infidelity with multiple partners and their highly shallow and materialistic nature, to speak nothing of their very hard-faced demeanour in comporting themselves - they have, in most instances, barely a trace of femininity to their person.

In my own area of the North East of England, for example, the only physically attractive women that I see within the age bracked 30-40 are invariably with men who drive some form of executive car (BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar) and whose remit of interests is extremely limited to the material sphere, i.e. property, sports, cars, clothes, et.c and where the pursuit of an interest such as history, philosophy, art, et.c. is a rarity, indeed, in them. It all sounds eerily familiar to what has been described my many posters - on HA and elsewhere - of the situation facing men in the US. Something has gone badly wrong in Anglosphere in the last 30 years or so as far as male-female relations are concerned, although one could, I think, argue over the factors which have contributed more or less greatly to the situation which men now find themselves in.

Added to this is the fact that women here who are single and around my age - and often with 3-5 kids in tow - seem to neither want nor need a man for a stable relationship. For example, I spoke to a young (and educated, I may add) woman around the age of 25 not long ago who confessed that she didn't need a man because she, "gets all the love she needs from her child and she uses men only for casual hook-ups". If this were an isolated case it wouldn't warrant being pointed out on this forum, but I've heard a similar tune from many women so many times since my return to the U.K. that I can't simply ignore this as being a factor in the toxic mix that is British women.

Anyway, to cut a long story story, I really feel that my "market value" as a man in the UK is pretty much nil and am now looking to cut my losses and travel to central/eastern Europe - perhaps Hungary or Romania - in the not-too-distant future. I've lived in a few countries previously and had experience of dealing with quite a few nationalities and I can attest to how differently women treat me according to their nationality - it's like night and day in many cases, so I don't believe that the situation in the UK is in any way representative of dating outside of the Anglosphere, with perhaps some exceptions in Western Europe (Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, et.c).

I would be very interested in hearing the opinions and experiences of any other guys from the UK or those who have had experiences with British women and how they plan to free themselves from the stacked game that is dating for men in the Anglosphere.

Apologies for the rant-like quality to this post, but I just wanted to set the scene, warts and all, as far as I've experienced it.

And keep up the sterling work, Winston - this site is a life-raft to guys in a situation similar to myself, especially to younger guys for whom I really have sympathy for these days as they're trying to make sense of a truly dystopic and highly dysfunctional dating environment; it provides a much-needed ray of hope in an otherwise unremittingly dismal social reality.

[Yohan]

Not everybody here is from USA, but I think the majority are US-citizens and native English speakers. I am from Austria (EU), native German speaker, but living in Japan since over 30 years.

British women? No way. We should also mention the legal situation in all Europe for men is worst in UK, even worse than in Scandinavia.
I think you will consider to move on again, away from UK to a new destination.

Long time ago while still in Europe I was living together - but luckily never married - with a Malaysian-Chinese woman from London, UK. While her looks were different, her behavior was exactly the same as any other British woman. I was happy when I had finally the chance to get out of that relationship.

Good luck to you.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Thanks for that comment, Yohan. It sounds like you, too, have had a lucky escape!

I notice that you're Austrian - would you mind my asking whether Austrian men report the same sort of problems with Austrian women that guys have to face in the Anglosphere these days? Would you happen to have any information about the situation in Austria for guys?

I ask because I was considering spending some time in Austria, maybe in Graz, in my search for a central/east European lady.

All the best.

[aozora13]

I am an American but I am telling you go to Graz or Linz. Stay away from the capital. There are plenty of foreign women but Austrian women tend to be distant; aloof. At least you speak good German (Mindestens spricht Sie gut Deutsch). I would say you should try to go to a few of the eastern Euro countries and see if you can find a decent women that way.

Yohan would probably say that it is not worth the trouble but I believe you can find a decent woman if you try to avoid women who are too westernized such as UK, France, Scandinavia as an example.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Vielen Dank für deine Antwort, Aozora13!

Do you mind my asking whether you're currently living in Austria? I was thinking that there may be quite a few foreign ladies, i.e. from Hungary, Romania, Poland, Serbia, et.c., resident in Graz. Is this correct?

I have heard that the Austrian women tend to be as unapproachable (abweisend) and materialistic as German women, with the same unpleasant and self-centred mentality - would you say this is generally the case in your experience?

[Johnny1975]

Even more depressing, though, than the weight issue, is the issue of the character of the majority of British - especially English - women that I have encountered since my return. They give off a very haughty and arrogant vibe, as if they are little princesses, for the most part when encountering them as a stranger, a vibe that is often mixed with a strong degree of paranoia towards strangers, especially of the opposite gender. One of the most visible examples of this, which I believe any man who has lived on these shores can attest to, is the following scenario: You are walking down the street, minding your own business and briefly glancing around you as you do so and you become aware of a woman of roughly your own age approaching you on the pavement. You will observe, along with the apparently permanently-etched scowl adorning her countenance, a tendency for her to quickly and disdainfully flick her head away as she nears you, irrespective of whether you were even looking directly in her direction or not. This is not an isolated observation, by the way - it is the case with nearly every woman I encounter these days.

Guten Tag.

I can relate to the part that I've bolded. Now I'm a bit slow, and these things don't register with me until they've happened lots of times, and even then I can still remain ignorant. But I have to say, you're right, that is what they do. I can't remember the last time I walked past a women who either didn't look away, chose never to look in my direction in the first place (not even out of sheer curiosity!), or didn't give me a weird / glazed look if our gazes met. It's like they don't want to interact at all. They're not women. They don't act like real women. real women engage, they look, they sometimes smile, and at the very least they don't look at you like a zombie. I'm so disgusted by it. But I don't care any more. as long as I live in this shithole country, I'm MGTOW.

Don't waste your time even bothering with women here. even if you're lucky enough to find a half decent one, the fact of living here is enough of a negative influence on her that you'll always have some bullshit to deal with sooner or later.

Just leave this country. If you've got the means, just go.

Leave this place! There's nothing to see! Save yourself!

[Feldeinsamkeit]

Thanks for your comment - I'm glad that it chimes a chord with you, too, since it is one of the most salient features in my opinion of how negatively women behave here in the UK vis-a-vis men on the street.

Don't worry, I'm intending to do just that, i.e. leave the UK as soon as I can, but I'm looking to find a suitable lady online in Hungary/Romania before I do so.

[Yohan]

Thanks for that comment, Yohan. It sounds like you, too, have had a lucky escape!

I notice that you're Austrian - would you mind my asking whether Austrian men report the same sort of problems with Austrian women that guys have to face in the Anglosphere these days? Would you happen to have any information about the situation in Austria for guys?

I ask because I was considering spending some time in Austria, maybe in Graz, in my search for a central/east European lady.

All the best.

Well, I am gone from Europe since over 30 years, I never came back - so I cannot help much with information. However I doubt anything really changed, as all my friends I still have a little contact are all divorced, married again, divorced again etc.

About my past, I never made it up in my native country to a girlfriend, even not for 30 minutes. My father was 2 times divorced, not guilty in both cases, and divorce #3 did not take place, as my mother died, my 2 half sisters were also terrible women, my experience with women from my own country arebad. To be fair, while in UK, my experience with women, local or immigrants were bad too.

I left for Japan, married since over 35 years, never divorced, 2 daughters and 1 Filipina fosterdaughter, never any problem up to now. To live in Far East was a good solution for me. We also have a home for vacation and future retirement in Thailand.

I would not compare my own nationality with Germany, yes we are similar, for example in formal language, but we are not really the same - I need only to talk a few sentences with a native German speaker and I will know, who is German, Austrian or from somewhere else.

We are not the typical blonde/blue-eye/tall people and I do not feel to be a German at all. My late parents and grandparents of both, father and mother and I myself and all relatives as far as I know them were all born within present Austrian borders. Only Bavaria, the Southern German federal state is using the same life-style, dialect, food etc. as Austria.

To spend a little time in smaller cities in Austria is a good idea, I personally liked Klagenfurt and Villach, I was born not far from Vienna, and working in Vienna up to my final departure to Far East.

Please come back if any question.

[zboy1]

Welcome to the forum, Feldeinsamkeit.

I have experienced living in the U.K. while in the U.S. military. Unfortunately, I found the U.K. to be just another dysfunctional Anglo country like the USA. And the women...boy! U.K. women make American women look classy in comparison. (Although, I have to say...South Asian (Paki, Indian, Bangladeshi) and Arab women are really hot there, and many are involved in interracial relationships with White and Black men.)

I really disliked the U.K., but I had a great time being stationed in England because I was so close to continental Europe, that whenever I had leave time, I would travel to Germany and other parts of Europe. I also really liked Scotland--as I felt it was a bit better in terms of quality of life, social interactions and women than England.

[OutWest]

Aside from the arrogance and haughtiness is a whole host of other negative characteristics which have been spoken of by others previously on this forum - their propensity for drunken and irresponsible behaviours, their tendency towards infidelity with multiple partners and their highly shallow and materialistic nature, to speak nothing of their very hard-faced demeanour in comporting themselves - they have, in most instances, barely a trace of femininity to their person.

You write well. Ironically, these arrogant attitudes come even as there is a rapidly diminishing list of reasons for any sense of superiority at all. Any country is doomed when delusional behavior becomes a primary national characteristic. I am married to an outstanding Filipina. I long ago fled the USA as a focus of my personal life. I return for business or family reasons. Good luck on your coming expatriation...
Flee!

[Kublai Khan]

I've been to England last summer, and a lot of what I have heard about English women is true. Most of them really are fat, trashy, ugly or all of these. While there were some good looking women, these were the exceptions. I must add that I've seen some fat English men too.

Strangely, I did have nice memories off Scottish girls in Edinburgh, maybe they are different, or I need a closer look ?

For example, I spoke to a young (and educated, I may add) woman around the age of 25 not long ago who confessed that she didn't need a man because she, "gets all the love she needs from her child and she uses men only for casual hook-ups"

Notice how it is suddenly her children.... this shows that children are the property of women today

And yes, your last paragraph is correct. It is ridiciloous that women in the west have high standards while we men are expected to sette for anyhting with a pair of tits and holes. f**k that, I ain't playing. And that's why we found this board.

[Johnny1975]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. It's not just the US.

[green1976]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. It's not just the US.

I've been saying this and this again.
The HA option is not the norm right now.

Either the country is too backward and dangerous,either they have religious barriers between man and woman or it's a feminist type land as the US or Western Europe.

If you guys wish to obliterate the dynamic,don't look for the different in these countries,it's a waste of time and your existence is not in your countrol(laws,divorce..)

Just by finding"a good one"will make you live in a bubble that's all.

[Johnny1975]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. It's not just the US.

I've been saying this and this again.
The HA option is not the norm right now.

Either the country is too backward and dangerous,either they have religious barriers between man and woman or it's a feminist type land as the US or Western Europe.

If you guys wish to obliterate the dynamic,don't look for the different in these countries,it's a waste of time and your existence is not in your countrol(laws,divorce..)

Just by finding"a good one"will make you live in a bubble that's all.

Oh no, what I meant was that it's not just the US that needs to be avoided. The UK is just as bad. I don't believe that SE asian countries or other countries have mostly bad women. I think they are different.