1. He didn't say anything to me about lack of eye contact in Taiwan. But if it really bothers him so much, why is he here, where it's not even legal for him to fly, instead of PI or somewhere else where he can do it easily and cheaply? BTW, I also asked him straight-up why you are so down on Taiwan and he told me more than once that he thinks you are extremely pessimistic. Also he felt that your experiences as a Chinese looking guy in Taiwan will be very different from that of a westerner.Winston wrote:Yeah but Rock, Shawn admitted that he finds the lack of eye contact in Taiwan to be alienating and lonely, remember? I posted comments from him about that before. Did you see them? Yes he's dated women, but he doesn't claim that picking up girls in Taiwan is easy. He says he meets them on FB or at social functions, not by cold approach. Remember that over 99 percent of guys don't cold approach and don't think it's even an appropriate topic. Also, he doesn't date girls that look like the hot ones I posted in this thread.
He doesn't know you well, and you haven't exposed your vulnerability to him, so of course he's not going to tell you all that. He also said that he has to go to the Philippines sometimes cause it's less lonely there. Remember? You saw his own words. Why do you need to figure out the reasons why, when they are obvious?
How come you don't know a single person who finds Taiwanese girls to be stuck up except me? The friend that went with me to those massage parlors agreed with what I said too. It's a no brainer. Taiwanese girls are LESS open than girls in most of the other 200 countries of the world. It's very obvious.
So why is it so easy for everyone you know? The vibe here is complicated and difficult. Surely you must have felt the same, both here and in Hong Kong.
When you wave and smile and say hi to random girls you want to flirt with, how do they usually react to you? Do they always flirt back?
Are you claiming that Taiwanese girls are open and easy like in other countries, to everyone except me? lol Come on now...
Why don't you and your friends try approaching girls that look like this, and see how far you get?
Do you really think that girls that look like that are approachable to strangers? lol
I'm sure older women in their 30's are more open and less shy. We all know that. But I like girls who are on the attractiveness level of the young girls I met in Russia who are featured in my photo collage:
http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm
That's the kind of girls I'm talking about. Try approaching those types, such as the girl in the veggie cafe you see above.
I have many girls' phone numbers, both in Taiwan and the US, but it doesn't mean anything. Either way, it's not easy. Why are you reluctant to admit that? Why do you like to portray Taiwan as easy when it obviously isn't?
Finally, if Taiwan is so easy for everyone, why can't you tell me how to get the tons of Taiwanese girls on my facebook to go out with me rather than just leave me as a FB friend? It's easy right? So why can't you tell me?
Suppose I were to give you phone numbers of a number of TW girls I know. Would you be able to get dates with them easily? Yes or no? Would your friends who score easily in TW be able to get dates with them easily by contacting them, just like that?
Nothing good is easy you know. Don't you know that?
Also, when I was 17 and in Taiwan for a year, I didn't notice that TW girls were more approachable to strangers. Their body language was still the same, very uptight. Why is that?
And how come you say Taipei is more open, yet other people say that Taipei big city people are less friendly than people in the countryside? Why is that? Who is right and who is wrong? How come other people say the opposite?
2. BTW, I have met guys who think Taiwan girls are stuck-up. One of my friends who now lives in Thailand thought the Taiwanese are very rude (men and women) and he couldn't stand them. But even he achieved a lot of intimate dates with local girls. And of course, I do also know foreign guys who don't get much dating or intimacy with girls here. My advice, focus on the winners and cut the losers. Why do u wanna hang around a bunch of people who fail in Taiwan - so you can commiserate with them? Change em' or move on to that new country.
3. Well, if Shawn meets lots of local girls via FB or social functions, why don't you do the same thing? Cus it sounds like he's doing OK from what he related to me. There's more than one way to skin a cat. He has small child with Taiwan woman down in Kaoxhiung and dates various local girls in Taipei. Nobody said you have to cold approach. Just find a bunch of successful people, and try whatever it is they are doing to meet, date, and get intimate with Taiwan girls.
4. As for your "99% of guys don't cold approach and don't think it's even an appropriate topic" you can refer to my 2 very recent posts in your "12 logical reasons..." thread where I addressed your ?s as you requested by PM and put down some more info. I'm just curious though, where did you get that particular stat, "99% of guys..."? Did you read it somewhere? Or did you survey all your friends and acquaintances?
The experience and opinions of those who you know or those who I know boils down to anecdotal accounts, not hard stats based on a large sample size. Plus, your backyard is a 3rd tier hick town while I'm in Taiwan's international city. Our circles will likely be mostly different. In my group of contacts and friends, a high percentage have cold approached Taiwan girls. Hell, I just met one yesterday, a Taiwanese kid, lol! If you have, say, 500 friends who find it impossible to approach Taiwan girls and I have another 500 who do approach Taiwan girls, what does that tell you - your friends don't and my friends do, nothing more. Or perhaps just half my friends do, then what? Well, if our combined 1,000 friends is the sample, then 25% of guys do and 75% don't. Some guys do and others don't (again, read my recent posts in other thread). I don't care much about eye contact and approachability as long as I can score in one way or another without resorting to P4P.
5. I like to associate with success cases and winners. They inspire me. That's probably why the people I refer to in Taiwan are so different than your friends who you so love to commiserate with.
6. I generally don't flirt with strangers unless they give me positive signs right off the bat. I make friends with them and try to advance things over time (see my latest 2 posts on your "12 Logical..." thread).
7. No, I'm not claiming that "Taiwanese girls are easy and open like in other countries to everyone except...". Again, read my latest 2 posts on your "12 Logical..." thread to see what exactly I have claimed or am claiming.
8. I did have luck with some girls who looked similar your example(s) in the photo before. Assuming she is 18-22, that would be a reasonable target for me when I had my high paying job and was younger. But age gaps matter a lot to most Taiwan girls I believe. Career matters too. If my 18 year old local friend from yesterday approached her, she would probably be nice to him and maybe even find him cute. But, as far as romance is concerned, she would likely put him in the "little brother" zone. If another guy who looked like a regular 35-40 yr. old local approached her too directly, she might be genuinely scared and put-off. She's probably gonna find it creepy unless the guy happens to be her exact spec and she's a little bit alternative. But if an up-and-coming and decent looking 27-32 year old dude who oozed of success somehow (dress, biz card, etc.) approached her in a friendly (not flirtatious) manner, expressed interest in knowing her better, dropped his card, and exited within 5-10 minutes, she just might bite. In the last case, she might even offer-up her digits actively.
9. BTW, Monkro approached a lot of girls who look similar to your photos below. He even brought one back to his room (a very tall, slim, and youthful looking 30 year old) but did not get intimate with her. Some of his approachees and even dates have been from the '18-21 dolled-up diva set', lol.
10. I don't think Taiwan is so easy, but it's certainly doable for many at least. The sweet spot is my "certain guys" definition as per my last 2 posts in your "12 Logical..." thread. But I think others can have luck here too. For example, it sound's like Momopi has done fine in spite of only visiting Taiwan on very short trips over the years.
11. If you want me to cold approach girls you point out right in front of you, I can do it if they are alone and adult. Maybe it will make you feel better to see me get shot-down. And who knows, I might even get lucky, which would make me feel better, lol.
12. When you were 17, you just looked like a local kid. Perhaps a western boy gets more special attention and won't feel the negative vibes the way you did. For dating the 18-21 bracket girls, I think it's much better to look like a 20 something than an under- age kid. Younger teenagers are usually a lot less free, tend to have harsh curfews, and can't get into clubs.
13. A lot of local people you ask in Taiwan will tell you that southerners are a lot more friendly and hospitable than people from the Taipei-Hsinchu metro area. But I just don't feel as comfortable in the south. I find many people down there to be more closed, conservative, lower class, less educated, more emotional, and harder to relate to, etc. They are not as used to westerners and treat foreigners more like an oddity. The south also has a a more visible gangster presence and less effective police forces. I can't stand binglang (beetle nut) and I don't like the sound of Taiwanese language (sorry). I see a higher number and percentage of more attractive women in Taipei who seem classier, more international, and easier to relate to as a foreigner. That's not to say Taiwan's south, especially larger cities such as Gaoxioing or Taichung are disaster zones. I just don't like them as much as Taipei for people and culture. But the differences aren't that extreme. It's still Taiwan. And the weather down there is a lot better too.
is a classic thread. Can't believe I basically read it in its entirety. Rock obviously has the patience of a saint. And Winston... heh. Dude, there's always the option of leaving TW if you don't like it. This site is called Happier Abroad... right? No point trolling on and on about how TW is a living hell. And btw, aren't you yourself Taiwanese? What gives??