have2fly - Standards of Beauty in Ukraine

[Winston]

Frontier,
Please stop calling people names and insults and using ad hominem attacks, or you will get a temporary ban as a first warning.

[Hook]

Well here is what one of my K-9 handlers had to say, he was an LDS missionary to the Ukraine for two years and learns Russian in 6-8 months. He said the girls were awesome, friendly and full of life. He stated that the guys were jerks and thought they were bad asses by picking on younger guys and girls. He taught english and met many people he still stays in contact with. His statement to me was that if he wasn't LDS and married he would be in the Ukraine having a blast and the average American nice guy with a half open mind would do fine there.

When did he go on his mission? I understand that it was better in Ukraine in the 90's but it is a bit harder now because the word has gotten out and more westerners have shown up. They have become more spoiled especially in Kiev. Still better than USA though.

He was there 04 through 06. His favorite city was Odessa, but the women were friendliest in the smaller areas. He would stay with family's after paying their train fare and they fed him and were very hospitable. A good sence of humor goes a long way. He told me about walking past a man at an ATM and saying in Russian "do you win every time?" The man laughed very hard and took him to lunch. He has a huge book of photos with girls all over from the beach to his english class. These girls make AW LOOK LIKE DONKEYS!!!

Interesting. Ladislav says that the rural areas have friendlier and less materialistic girls. But they are a bit heavier and less attractive too.

[Dogboy86]

Im sure it dosnt hurt that he looks like Justin Timberlake with muscles and spoke very good Russian. He said he translated for American men on dates there and many of the girls would ask him out. He is a cocky little shit and is married to the last good American woman. Now he is teaching me russian so I guess he is ok. Lol

[have2fly]

Hi Hook,

I suspect that have2fly is exaggerating a bit. No way are the first 4 women "average" in any country. Look at the third woman. To me, she looks like Anna Kournikova. So I right clicked her image to get the link:

http://annasquare.com/albums/set5/set1/ ... 289%29.jpg

If you go to annasquare.com, you will find that it is indeed Anna Kournikova.

So have2fly is saying this about Anna Kournikova:

Oh man! GET A LIFE!

Anna Kournikova isn't hot, she is very average for me. I've f***ed so many girls much prettier than her. It could be a matter of taste, but I think it's a matter of EXPOSURE. I grew up around gorgeous looking women and did not appreciate it because Hollywood movies would show that women and men are much better in America. Well, I was very shocked upon my arrival to see the reality. But you will be as much shocked when you travel there and see them yourself.

Many guys had posted more info here. I think everyone can attest that girls in Ukraine are good looking or at least much better looking than American women.

Ukrainian guys are very good looking, but many don't care about their looks or don't exercise. It depends where you are - in large cities you get metrosexual looking guys, gay guys, extremely high-style children of some oligarchs driving a Porsche or Ferrari at the local night club. When you get to the outskirts - things tend to get more simple. There are areas - like Lugansk or smaller cities around Donetsk where people live in poverty! It used to be a prosperous coal mining region during Soviet times, but nowadays coal extraction proved to be financially expensive and useless. Girls are glad to find any man that don't drink over there and girls are VERY good looking over there!

ONE MORE THING: Ukraine is slowly getting OVERSATURATED with foreigners! My friend from Kiev told me that most of the clubs are now full of foreign dudes, many Americans too! Girls are now getting to the point of being spoiled because American dudes are pouring money at any girls they can find! So I would NOT go to Kiev at all, but rather other cities or OTHER COUNTRY, like Moldova or Belarus or Kazakhstan or Russia.

[ladislav]

The way to leave other Americans behind in countries like Ukraine is by learning the language and integrating the local way. Even if many thousands of foreigners show up, most have other things on their minds than learning the local culture and trying to fit in- such as a blonde with a hole in between her legs and a pair of puffy white udders. They throw their vacation dollars around and thus attract English speaking gold-diggers. Decent local girls won't be caught dead with a guy like that.

Some will want a decent girl but they can only meet one through specially organized tours as most people there do not speak English and the enormous market of good girls is closed to those who cannot speak Russian.

A Russian-speaking foreigner integrating and doing things the local way plus being able to take the girls out to have a good time- such as to a picnic or the beach or to nice restaurants or some concert, can't be beat. No one can compete with him. The locals or the foreigners.

And if you can speak Ukrainian it will make you even more unbeatable.

I have proven it in the Philippines, too. I speak Tagalog very well now, but when I speak Visaya- the second most popular language in the country, people just melt.

With the exception of Japan, perhaps, language opens millions of romantic doors - literally.

[have2fly]

So guys were wondering about how Russian guys look? Here is a pretty famous synth-pop band from Russia. They sing in English, gives you an example. This song is pretty old, like 8 years old I think.


Here is pictures from Ukrainian clubs:



More pics here:
http://nightlife.tochka.net/gallery/

As you can see, there isn't a bad supply of good looking men, there are just plenty of girls and less Feminism + good food and social culture. Also many girls naive to believe that there will be Heaven if they move to the U.S.

[Google]

Please let me know how these 6 chicks would rate by Ukrainian standards.


The chick in my avatar, Natalya, a 10 out of 10 in my opinion




Another hot chick, Alexandra, a 9 out of 10 in my opinion



Another hot chick, Anna, a 9.5 out of 10 in my opinion




Another hot chick, Katerina, a 9 out of 10 in my opinion




An average chick, Irina, a 6 out of 10 in my opinion




Another average chick, Oksana, a 6 out of 10 in my opinion

in my opinion:

Natalia _________________________8.5
Alexandra _______________________ 5.5
Anna ___________________________ 7.5
Katerina_________________________ 3
Irina____________________________ 4.5
Oksana__________________________ 4

[Google]

some of ukrainian guys that look " handsome" for ukrainian girls

[LarryLaffer]

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@ have2fly and Google

I notice that the Ukrainians don't just rate the girls lower than the Americans would. They also seem to have a different order.
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Name of Girl_|_Ukrainian Google's Rating_|_Ukrainian have2fly's Rating__|__American Man's Rating

Natalia ______________8.5_______________"Very Below Average"___________10.0
Alexandra ____________5.5____________________"Average"________________9.0
Anna ________________7.5____________________"Average"________________9.5
Katerina______________3.0____________________"Plain Ugly"_______________9.0 (6 PT GAP)
Irina_________________4.5____________________"Plain Ugly"_______________6.0
Oksana_______________4.0____________________"Plain Ugly"_______________6.0

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Because the Ukrainian women are more attractive than American women, Ukrainian guys are generally rating women lower. However, the order is different. Both Google and have2fly think that the beautiful blond Katerina, see her pics here, is ugly:

viewtopic.php?p=37845#37845

Meanwhile, they consider the more average, less attractive women, Irina and Oksana, either the same or lower. Google rates Irina and Oksana higher than Katerina, which is very surprising. So there is probably some sort of difference of taste that changes the order that women are ranked in.

To the Ukrainians have2fly and Google:

Can you identify what, if any characteristics, Katerina has that make you think she is ugly? Most of the women are just ranked lower in Ukraine than in the USA. However, in the case of Katerina, the difference is huge. I think Katerina is a 9.5 while Google thinks she is a 3.0. What is it about Katerina that causes you to think that she is ugly? What about her is ugly? She would be VERY VERY HOT to an American.

Anna Kournikova isn't hot, she is very average for me.

Wow! To an American guys eyes, she is one of the hottest women of all time. If you and Google, who rated her only a 7.5, honestly think she is only average or just a little above average, then what is it about her that Ukrainians don't like? That woman you posted in your earlier post:

viewtopic.php?p=36466#36466

is much less attractive to an American man than Anna Kournikova or Katerina or Natalia or Alexandra. Yet you seem to find her more attractive than the first 4 women. So there is somehow a difference in what you guys find attractive. If an American guy can identify what it is about Katerina that you dislike, then he can try to find women like Katerina that the Ukrainian guys don't like. Ideally, a guy would like to find a woman that he is attracted to but that other guys don't find attractive. What about Katerina makes her ugly to you?

To an American this woman is MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE:

http://women.happierabroad.com/images/p114949-5.jpg

Than this woman:

http://personals.happierabroad.com/stat ... 02_600.jpg

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[LarryLaffer]

@ Hook

So if everyone is so attractive in Ukraine, wouldn't that make 'average' American guys look ugly to them? I mean, it is great that they are so attractive, but it seems like that also puts you down a few notches too.

The other thing I don't get is why the girls ugly by Ukranian standards seem to exude self-confidence in their pictures. Usually, unattractive women don't exude any confidence.

Hi Hook,

I was wondering the same thing as you so I did some searching. I found some GOOD NEWS.

Please see the links in 3a of the FAQ post:

viewtopic.php?p=48188#48188

There is a website called http://www.beautifulpeople.com/ where only people who are rated beautiful can be accepted as members. Worldwide, only 360,000 of the 1.8 million people who uploaded photos were accepted. So the global average acceptance rate is about 20%. In some countries, like Sweden, where people are very attractive, the acceptance rates are much higher. In other countries, the rates are lower.

While there are no statistics available for Ukraine, there are statistics available for Russia.

Look at the 5 countries that have the most beautiful women according to the site:

76% Norway (76% of Norwegian women who have applied to the site have been accepted)
68% Sweden
66% Iceland
45% Brazil
44% Russia

While there are no statistics available for Ukraine, as you can see, in Russia, 44% of the women who applied to the site were accepted versus only about 20% globally. So Russian women are more than twice as likely to be considered attractive as the average woman worldwide is.

Now look at the statistics for the countries that have the fewest attractive men, according to the site:

15% India
15% Germany
12% UK
9% Russia
9% Poland

As you can see, Russia and Poland rank LAST. They have the LOWEST percentage of men considered attractive. This means, in those countries, you would be considered more attractive. You would move UP, not down, in those countries. Now, I don't know about Ukraine. Ukrainian men do seem, at least from photos, to be more handsome. However, in Russia, you would both be considered more attractive and the women would be more attractive. You would move up in terms of value and there would be more women who are attractive. So Russia would have a double advantage.

Also, take a look at 3b of the FAQ post to see the statistical average face of each woman in each country.

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[eurobrat]

@Frontier,

You take it too far. You have no concept of timing or certain situations there are times to call guy's a fag or homo but you insist on doing it after every response. SO you end up looking like a f***ing idiot.

[Dogboy86]

@ Hook

So if everyone is so attractive in Ukraine, wouldn't that make 'average' American guys look ugly to them? I mean, it is great that they are so attractive, but it seems like that also puts you down a few notches too.

The other thing I don't get is why the girls ugly by Ukranian standards seem to exude self-confidence in their pictures. Usually, unattractive women don't exude any confidence.

Hi Hook,

I was wondering the same thing as you so I did some. searching. I found some GOOD NEWS.

Please see the links in 3a of the FAQ post:

viewtopic.php?p=48188#48188

There is a website called http://www.beautifulpeople.com/ where only people who are rated beautiful can be accepted as members. Worldwide, only 360,000 of the 1.8 million people who uploaded photos were accepted. So the global average acceptance rate is about 20%. In some countries, like Sweden, where people are very attractive, the acceptance rates are much higher. In other countries, the rates are lower.

While there are no statistics available for Ukraine, there are statistics available for Russia.

Look at the 5 countries that have the most beautiful women according to the site:

76% Norway (76% of Norwegian women who have applied to the site have been accepted)
68% Sweden
66% Iceland
45% Brazil
44% Russia

While there are no statistics available for Ukraine, as you can see, in Russia, 44% of the women who applied to the site were accepted versus only about 20% globally. So Russian women are more than twice as likely to be considered attractive as the average woman worldwide is.

Now look at the statistics for the countries that have the fewest attractive men, according to the site:

15% India
15% Germany
12% UK
O9% Russia
9% Poland

As you can see, Russia and Poland rank LAST. They have the LOWEST percentage of men considered attractive. This means, in those countries, you would be considered more attractive. You would move UP, not down, in those countries. Now, I don't know about Ukraine. Ukrainian men do seem, at least from photos, to be more handsome. However, in Russia, you would both be considered more attractive and the women would be more attractive. You would move up in terms of value and there would be more women who are attractive. So Russia would have a double advantage.

Also, take a look at 3b of the FAQ post to see the statistical average face of each woman in each country.

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Very good post! Sorry but the guys that pictures were posted as Ukrainian guys look feminine/metro sexual. Is this just my read or are there others that think this also?

[Dogboy86]

@ eurobrat

I'm looking forward to see how your trip goes, best of luck and I hope it is all you hope it to be. I think I'll wait for late spring or early summer to visit myself.

[eurobrat]

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[Neptune]

in my opinion:

Natalia _________________________8.5
Alexandra _______________________ 5.5
Anna ___________________________ 7.5
Katerina_________________________ 3
Irina____________________________ 4.5
Oksana__________________________ 4

Wow Google. You think Katerina is a 3? Are you sure? I would LOVE to have a wife who is that beautiful. She is a 10 to me.

Why is she a 3?

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