Momopi, HOT Taiwanese girl I met! What should I do?

[Winston]

Well it looks like that vegetarian girl I like already has a boyfriend. Darn. All the good ones are taken, as they say.

Here is a photo of them below. How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that? How come ugly guys can date girls that are my type in Taiwan but I can't? Doesn't that suck? Why is everything in my life always Murphy's Law? Why is it that only girls who are not my type like me and the ones who are my type never like me seriously?

[publicduende]

Here's a hot Taiwanese girl on OkCupid for you white guys. She says she can't live without sex and wants any nice white guy to message her.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/flymeg

The most private thing I’m willing to admit
I can't live without sex.

You should message me if
Message me if you are white,
and have a really nice temper
and know how to treat a girl right

Yup that's the kind of Taiwanese woman I met online a few years ago. I was a bit shocked, if not embarassed by her "openness" on relatively intimate stuff about her sexual life. By her second of third phone conversation she had already told me she liked to have her pu**y laser shaven even at the risk of being seen naked and labeled a slut. The she told me that she had a boyfriend from Israel with a 15 cm dong and after having sex with him she didn't feel like going back to her Taiwanese buddies, apparently all a few cm shorter. Then when we started to show ourselves on cam, the discussion got even more interesting. That Claire girl got me puzzled. I have never met Taiwanese girls like her, whether online or in person, anymore, but I tend to believe her behaviour is more the exception than the rule, in Taiwanese society. Or perhaps who knows, there are quite a few young women who are all keen to look wholesome not to "lose face" in front of their family and peers, only to be happy to be completely off-guard when they know they are talking with a complete stranger the other side of the planet...

Winston, what do you think? See you found another candidatre that fits this kind of bill. So it's two as far as I know. You think there are more?

[publicduende]

Well it looks like that vegetarian girl I like already has a boyfriend. Darn. All the good ones are taken, as they say.

Here is a photo of them below. How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that? How come ugly guys can date girls that are my type in Taiwan but I can't? Doesn't that suck? Why is everything in my life always Murphy's Law? Why is it that only girls who are not my type like me and the ones who are my type never like me seriously?

Maybe that nerdy looking guy is a middle manager in some IT company, drives a Mercedes and has a condo flat of his own. I think it was you saying that Taiwanese girls are traditional and like a man who can give them "status"?

[Rock]

Here's a hot Taiwanese girl on OkCupid for you white guys. She says she can't live without sex and wants any nice white guy to message her.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/flymeg

The most private thing I’m willing to admit
I can't live without sex.

You should message me if
Message me if you are white,
and have a really nice temper
and know how to treat a girl right

Yup that's the kind of Taiwanese woman I met online a few years ago. I was a bit shocked, if not embarassed by her "openness" on relatively intimate stuff about her sexual life. By her second of third phone conversation she had already told me she liked to have her pu**y laser shaven even at the risk of being seen naked and labeled a slut. The she told me that she had a boyfriend from Israel with a 15 cm dong and after having sex with him she didn't feel like going back to her Taiwanese buddies, apparently all a few cm shorter. Then when we started to show ourselves on cam, the discussion got even more interesting. That Claire girl got me puzzled. I have never met Taiwanese girls like her, whether online or in person, anymore, but I tend to believe her behaviour is more the exception than the rule, in Taiwanese society. Or perhaps who knows, there are quite a few young women who are all keen to look wholesome not to "lose face" in front of their family and peers, only to be happy to be completely off-guard when they know they are talking with a complete stranger the other side of the planet...

Winston, what do you think? See you found another candidatre that fits this kind of bill. So it's two as far as I know. You think there are more?

Duente, there are girls here and there like that in Taiwan. Many of them are 'foreigner girls'. Sometimes, when a virgin Taiwan girl's first experience is a western guy and she dates him for awhile, she gets used to the style and continues dating only westerners after the break-up with her first experience.

There is another subset of girls who are 'foreigner curious' but have never yet dated a foreigner and often aren't even used to speaking English. If you play the numbers game as a foreigner, especially one who speaks Chinese, these types will sometimes just fall into your lap soon after your initial approach.

Perhaps the largest group, at least in Taipei, are foreign neutral. With them, your luck depends more on your specific offering as a man than anything else. Being a foreigner with these will not help or hurt you much tho if u don't speak Chinese and they can't or don't like to speak English, that will definitely be a hindrance or even deal breaker.

And there are 'foreign negative' girls too tho Taipei City has a smaller percentage of the rest of the island. With these, u need to outperform your local competitors and in some cases, you being a foreigner can be a total deal breaker. However, I think the latter case is pretty rare in urban Taiwan at least. I think its much more common in the PRC for girls to write you-off as a prospect just cus you are not local or ethnic Chinese.

[CerealKiller]

Is that her work uniform, or does she just enjoy dressing up like Sailor Moon?

Dude that guy is HOTTT... what are you talking about

[Winston]

Maybe that nerdy looking guy is a middle manager in some IT company, drives a Mercedes and has a condo flat of his own. I think it was you saying that Taiwanese girls are traditional and like a man who can give them "status"?

I doubt it. He looks too young. He's probably just some college student who grew up with her or was part of the same clique.

Btw, why is it that girls tend to bring up their "boyfriend" like some casual thing, as if no one will ever be disappointed to hear that, whereas guys tend to hide their girlfriend from other girls to appear single and available?

[Winston]

Here's a hot Taiwanese girl on OkCupid for you white guys. She says she can't live without sex and wants any nice white guy to message her.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/flymeg

The most private thing I’m willing to admit
I can't live without sex.

You should message me if
Message me if you are white,
and have a really nice temper
and know how to treat a girl right

Yup that's the kind of Taiwanese woman I met online a few years ago. I was a bit shocked, if not embarassed by her "openness" on relatively intimate stuff about her sexual life. By her second of third phone conversation she had already told me she liked to have her pu**y laser shaven even at the risk of being seen naked and labeled a slut. The she told me that she had a boyfriend from Israel with a 15 cm dong and after having sex with him she didn't feel like going back to her Taiwanese buddies, apparently all a few cm shorter. Then when we started to show ourselves on cam, the discussion got even more interesting. That Claire girl got me puzzled. I have never met Taiwanese girls like her, whether online or in person, anymore, but I tend to believe her behaviour is more the exception than the rule, in Taiwanese society. Or perhaps who knows, there are quite a few young women who are all keen to look wholesome not to "lose face" in front of their family and peers, only to be happy to be completely off-guard when they know they are talking with a complete stranger the other side of the planet...

Winston, what do you think? See you found another candidatre that fits this kind of bill. So it's two as far as I know. You think there are more?

If you only met her online, how do you know she wasn't just a cock teaser? Some women like to play with your mind, and then when you show up, they make some excuse not to see you or flake out. It's really weird. Some women are all talk and no action.

Also, remember she has nothing to lose by being wild and horny online, and it doesn't mean she will be wild and horny in person. Murphy's Law also rules much of life.

I've never seen a profile like that from Taiwan before.

[CerealKiller]

Winston, maybe you should ask and find out what that guy's story is No need to make assumptions when you have access to the facts anyway.

By the way, who is that in your avatar anyway? I'm kinda wondering...

[Rock]

Here's a hot Taiwanese girl on OkCupid for you white guys. She says she can't live without sex and wants any nice white guy to message her.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/flymeg

The most private thing I’m willing to admit
I can't live without sex.

You should message me if
Message me if you are white,
and have a really nice temper
and know how to treat a girl right

Yup that's the kind of Taiwanese woman I met online a few years ago. I was a bit shocked, if not embarassed by her "openness" on relatively intimate stuff about her sexual life. By her second of third phone conversation she had already told me she liked to have her pu**y laser shaven even at the risk of being seen naked and labeled a slut. The she told me that she had a boyfriend from Israel with a 15 cm dong and after having sex with him she didn't feel like going back to her Taiwanese buddies, apparently all a few cm shorter. Then when we started to show ourselves on cam, the discussion got even more interesting. That Claire girl got me puzzled. I have never met Taiwanese girls like her, whether online or in person, anymore, but I tend to believe her behaviour is more the exception than the rule, in Taiwanese society. Or perhaps who knows, there are quite a few young women who are all keen to look wholesome not to "lose face" in front of their family and peers, only to be happy to be completely off-guard when they know they are talking with a complete stranger the other side of the planet...

Winston, what do you think? See you found another candidatre that fits this kind of bill. So it's two as far as I know. You think there are more?

If you only met her online, how do you know she wasn't just a cock teaser? Some women like to play with your mind, and then when you show up, they make some excuse not to see you or flake out. It's really weird. Some women are all talk and no action.

Also, remember she has nothing to lose by being wild and horny online, and it doesn't mean she will be wild and horny in person. Murphy's Law also rules much of life.

I've never seen a profile like that from Taiwan before.

Well, some girls are also into 'phone sex'. A few years ago, I met one from Asia Friend Finder like that living in Kaoshuing. If u r good at 'phone' and get her off a couple or more times, she may become curious and keen to meet u. If u meet her face-to-face, the chemistry factor will still be important but your chances will be much higher than an average first date given your shared experiences.

[momopi]

Well it looks like that vegetarian girl I like already has a boyfriend. Darn. All the good ones are taken, as they say.
Here is a photo of them below. How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that? How come ugly guys can date girls that are my type in Taiwan but I can't? Doesn't that suck? Why is everything in my life always Murphy's Law? Why is it that only girls who are not my type like me and the ones who are my type never like me seriously?

Winston, of all the people here, you are the only person who knows the girl personally.

All you have to do is make a short list of questions, and causally bring them up with her:

1. "wow you two look great together! Where/how did you two meet?"
2. "you must like him a lot! What about him did you find most attractive to you?"
3. "so what did he do to get a date with you? C'mon spill it! He looks kinda conservative so... Oh ho, did you make the first move on him?? Haha!"

[CerealKiller]

Well it looks like that vegetarian girl I like already has a boyfriend. Darn. All the good ones are taken, as they say.
Here is a photo of them below. How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that? How come ugly guys can date girls that are my type in Taiwan but I can't? Doesn't that suck? Why is everything in my life always Murphy's Law? Why is it that only girls who are not my type like me and the ones who are my type never like me seriously?

Winston, of all the people here, you are the only person who knows the girl personally.

All you have to do is make a short list of questions, and causally bring them up with her:

1. "wow you two look great together! Where/how did you two meet?"
2. "you must like him a lot! What about him did you find most attractive to you?"
3. "so what did he do to get a date with you? C'mon spill it! He looks kinda conservative so... Oh ho, did you make the first move on him?? Haha!"

贊！

[Rock]

Well it looks like that vegetarian girl I like already has a boyfriend. Darn. All the good ones are taken, as they say.
Here is a photo of them below. How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that? How come ugly guys can date girls that are my type in Taiwan but I can't? Doesn't that suck? Why is everything in my life always Murphy's Law? Why is it that only girls who are not my type like me and the ones who are my type never like me seriously?

Winston, of all the people here, you are the only person who knows the girl personally.

All you have to do is make a short list of questions, and causally bring them up with her:

1. "wow you two look great together! Where/how did you two meet?"
2. "you must like him a lot! What about him did you find most attractive to you?"
3. "so what did he do to get a date with you? C'mon spill it! He looks kinda conservative so... Oh ho, did you make the first move on him?? Haha!"

贊！

u been spending too much time on FB

[Winston]

Momopi,
I have a serious and puzzling question for you.

During the past 6 or 7 days, Rock and I met a lot of girls in Taiwan out in public, both in clean and seedy places. Some of them were introduced to Rock by a Chinese woman I'm seeing too.

But the thing is, even if our interaction with them was friendly, cordial, and we got good vibes from them, still, Rock refused to call or text them the next few days and ask them to meet us again. He said he either got mixed vibes, or that it wasn't appropriate to be that forward in Taiwan.

I've even experienced instances where a Taiwanese girl I met was friendly to me on cell phone messaging, but as soon as I asked her out, she became cold and distant, as if asking them out is a sin or something. It's like I break some rule by asking them out. Sheesh. (WTF? So weird.)

This reminds me, it does seem that Taiwanese girls don't like it when I ask them out directly, even if the initial meeting was friendly and positive. So maybe Rock is right. But why is that? Can you explain this to me? Obviously, if this "social rule" even applies to Rock, who is fairly tall and handsome and white, then it's an objective social rule that doesn't just apply to me.

What I'm saying is that if I have a positive friendly meeting or interaction with a girl, I can't just contact her the next day and say, "It was nice meeting you. You are pretty cool. What are you up to? Are you free tomorrow? Maybe we can meet for coffee or something." like I can in the rest of the "normal world".

So how can you meet them again or date anyone, for that matter, if you aren't allowed to ask them out directly? I don't get it. Are you supposed to chat with them forever and wait til they offer to meet you again? What if they never do? How is it supposed to work in Taiwan?

You know, I've heard of moving slow, but if you can't even ask them to meet again... um gee, that's crazy... and seems unwinnable. What gives?!

Furthermore, why do many people say that it's easy to get a girlfriend in Taiwan, when you aren't even allowed to ask girls out directly, but instead have to play complicated mind/social games that are above the head of most guys? It doesn't make any sense! I keep asking this question over and over again, but no one has given me an answer.

Case in point: My Chinese lady friend introduced Rock to two young attractive tall Taiwanese girls, both of whom gave Rock positive vibes and signaled an interest in getting to know him. However, in spite of that, Rock refused to message them to ask for another meeting. One girl he thought was too innocent, and the other gave him mixed signals (though I thought I saw positive signals from her).

So again, if this applies to Rock too, then obviously it's not something that's wrong with me. I witnessed this problem over and over again firsthand last week. So I know it's not my imagination, regardless of what anyone says.

Obviously, asking girls out in Taiwan or dating them is a lot more complicated than I thought. It's like you have to play some kind of mind game, like in the US, except you have to be much more subtle and innocent at it here. You can't just say "Let's go out" and then arrange a meeting.

What this means is that overall, one can meet many friendly Taiwanese girls if you have the patience to chat them up and talk about inane lighthearted things for a while. However, escalating it into a second meeting from there, or trying to take things to the next level, is a whole different ballgame, one that is very complicated and unclear. Not easy at all.

So my question Momopi is, how do you play the dating game in Taiwan, given the above? Can you explain this, without another irrelevant wisecrack or spin that deviates from the question at hand? This is a serious question that I really want answers to.

Thanks.

Rock, have I misunderstood or misstated anything?

[publicduende]

If you only met her online, how do you know she wasn't just a cock teaser? Some women like to play with your mind, and then when you show up, they make some excuse not to see you or flake out. It's really weird. Some women are all talk and no action.

Also, remember she has nothing to lose by being wild and horny online, and it doesn't mean she will be wild and horny in person. Murphy's Law also rules much of life.

I've never seen a profile like that from Taiwan before.

Well, that's precisely why I chose not to go and visit her. I was happy to have her as an occasional cam sex friend, for as much as she would insist about me flying over and spend a week with her. Funny thing is, at some point she bought herself a massive dildo and started to use it during our "sessions" as a further proof that she was waiting for me. From what I could tell from our voice chats (it wasn't all video!), she did seem to have a high libido in person as well, albeit a frustrated one for not having a Western man handy.

[Winston]

If you only met her online, how do you know she wasn't just a cock teaser? Some women like to play with your mind, and then when you show up, they make some excuse not to see you or flake out. It's really weird. Some women are all talk and no action.

Also, remember she has nothing to lose by being wild and horny online, and it doesn't mean she will be wild and horny in person. Murphy's Law also rules much of life.

I've never seen a profile like that from Taiwan before.

Well, that's precisely why I chose not to go and visit her. I was happy to have her as an occasional cam sex friend, for as much as she would insist about me flying over and spend a week with her. Funny thing is, at some point she bought herself a massive dildo and started to use it during our "sessions" as a further proof that she was waiting for me. From what I could tell from our voice chats (it wasn't all video!), she did seem to have a high libido in person as well, albeit a frustrated one for not having a Western man handy.

LOL When was this? Why didn't she just go out and get a Western guy living in Taiwan? There are plenty of them. It doesn't make any sense. The universe sometimes likes to play tricks on us.