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Re: Should you take testosterone pills (like Progene)?

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MrMan,
I agree. I think Dr. Wallach is partially right and his claims contain some partial truth. But his message is a bit suspect and naive when he tries to say that all disease is from nutrition deficiency. Reality isn't like that. It isn't that simple. In life we all know that things have multiple causes and factors, not all due to one thing. This is common sense. People who try to attribute everything to "one thing" or a simple fix usually have something to sell and are oversimplifying reality.

But it's probably true that nutrition is very important and can keep you from getting sick, and that doctors don't know much about it because the medical industry doesn't want people to be healthy, otherwise it would cut into their drug profits. That part is definitely true. But Wallach makes outrageous claims in taking advantage of corruption in the healthcare industry.

Also, his products are being sold by an MLM company called Youngevity, so his products will be more expensive than they should be. Because MLM products have to be overpriced in order to pay all the commissions to the uplines and downlines in the pyramid. Amway and Market America work that way too, that's why their products cost so much. This isn't good, because it means poor people can't afford them.

So it's a bit unethical to make it expensive and put a price on health just to keep an MLM operation going. It's also sort of a self-contradiction too, because Wallach's message is that eliminating diseases should be cheap if it's all due to mineral deficiencies. But if being disease-free should be natural and low cost like he claims, then why is he inflating his "mighty 90" products just to fund an MLM operation? So he has two businesses - the MLM operation and the sale of his mineral packages. This makes him too commercial and shady, even though he is a great public speaker.

Also he shoots himself in the foot when he claims that baldness can be cured by minerals too, because he himself is bald and is unable to cure himself of baldness. So that discredits him and is his achilles heel.
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Re: Should you take testosterone pills (like Progene)?

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Update:

I've been taking those herbal supplements to boost testosterone, the kind you can get in health stores or at Costco, and they do seem to help. They reduce the number of times I have to get up at night to urinate, and they make me feel more horny too, and a bit younger. So if you guys are interested, try them out.

There are some on iherb.com. Here is a popular testosterone booster there.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Six-Star-Six-S ... lets/54772

Also there are supplements for prostrate health that help with frequent urination at night too. See here:

https://www.iherb.com/search?kw=prostate%20health

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Mr S recommends this one called HGH, called Human Growth Hormone. He said it not only boosts testosterone, but has other manly benefits as well. What do you guys think? Any of you ever try HGH before? What does it do? Is it safe?

Anyway, I found HGH on iherb.com too. See here:

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Source-Natural ... blets/4615
Source Naturals HGH Surge is a multifaceted, Bio-Aligned approach to the promotion of healthy levels of natural human growth hormone. HGH Surge contains nutritional and neurotransmitter support shown to stimulate the body's production and release of human growth hormone.
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tre wrote:
January 7th, 2014, 11:34 pm
Winston wrote:If testosterone pills can cause liver damage, then why are they selling it in stores like Costco and GNC? Aren't there laws against dangerous supplements?

Those are not "testosterone pills" Winston. Those are a blend of herbs that are touted to "boost" your natural levels of testosterone. If they really worked well for anyone, they'd be talked about on MANY forums on the internet. Don't waste your money.

I agree with Rock. You can either find a good physician (I recommend a Life Extension type doctor) to order bloodwork for you or you can purchase it yourself. There is Directlabs.com and many others. I recommend you get a full male hormone blood panel. It's likely the most expensive one, but will test your Total and Free Testosterone, Estrogen as well as everything to determine your general health. I will be doing bloodwork every 3 months until I get back on top of my health. I'd be glad to share with you anything that helps me in the process. I have a good doctor in Las Vegas (VERY expensive), but I'd rather pay for a good one than to waste time/money on a quack....

If you have low testosterone, high estrogen, low SHBG, high TSH, etc, it could be a sign that something else that is wrong. Finding a good doctor and doing your own research is going to be critical to improving health. There is a HUGE percentage of people walking around the USA that have Metabolic Syndrome that have no clue that they have it. They can either take the steps to fix it or remain obese and look forward to Diabetes, Stroke, Heart Attack, Cancer, etc in their future. No one is immune from death or disease of course, but you CAN give yourself a better chance while feeling/looking better at the same time...

If you have very low testosterone levels without any other issues on blood work then I would definitely recommend that you supplement (legal script) with Testosterone INJECTIONS. Creams often don't work as not everyone absorbs them very well. Also, if you sleep with a woman, it WILL end up on her skin (causing all sorts of issues for her). Go with injections...hands down better and more effective.
Beautifully put! I don't get why people are seeking short cuts that are not only ineffective, they are HARMFUL.

Medically prescribed Injections are the only way to go. That is counter intuitive for most people but it is true.
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Re: Should you take testosterone pills (like Progene)?

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In case anyone's interested, this black mineral powder found in high mountain ranges called Shilajit, is proven to increase testosterone in men and provide many other health benefits as well. It contains 84 minerals and is also called "fulvic acid". Google it for more info. See these links below about the many health benefits of Shilajit, aka "fulvic acid", including increased testosterone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shilajit

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320318.php

https://www.healthline.com/health/shilajit
2. Low testosterone level

Testosterone is a primary male sex hormone, but some men have a lower level than others. Signs of low testosterone include:

a low sex drive
hair loss
loss of muscle mass
fatigue
increased body fat

In one clinical study of male volunteers between the ages of 45 and 55, half of the participants were given a placebo and half were given a 250 milligram (mg) dose of purified shilajit twice a day. After 90 consecutive days, the study found that participants receiving purified shilajit had a significantly higher testosterone level compared to the placebo group.
* source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26395129

Even a government study supported this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26395129
Clinical evaluation of purified Shilajit on testosterone levels in healthy volunteers.

Abstract

Purified Shilajit, an Ayurvedic rasayana, was evaluated in healthy volunteers of age between 45 and 55 years for its effect on male androgenic hormone viz. testosterone in a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical study at a dose of 250 mg twice a day. Treatment with Shilajit for consecutive 90 days revealed that it has significantly (P < 0.05) increased total testosterone, free testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEAS) compared with placebo. Gonadotropic hormones (LH and FSH) levels were well maintained.
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Re: What to do if you have low testosterone? Take pills, shots, creams, supplements to boost it?

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Update:

Just did a testosterone test here in Taiwan at a hospital. Just got the results and as expected they show my levels to be low. I sent them to Rock and heres his reply:

Rock:

"Winston I looked at your blood work results. It appears they only measured total testosterone and free/total PSA ratio. I wish I could have also seen your total PSA level.

Based on the results, you definitely are well below the suggested reference range and way below a healthy level for total testosterone. I suggest you try out a course of Sustanon 250 at 1 ampule injection every 2 weeks for 1-2 months to see how you feel.

However, your free/total PSA level is somewhat elevated which indicates a significantly higher than normal risk for prostate cancer by or before age 60.

As such, you need to get the doctor to sign off on T therapy plan I suggested and also get blood retested after a month of the therapy to see whether or not the ratio has increased significantly.

If it has, you should inquire about your prostate, get it measured via ultrasound, and perhaps even have a biopsy taken.

Doctors in Taiwan tend to be passive so you need to do a lot of self research and direct them to do whet you feel you need. If they feel you are veering off course, they will tell you in which case if you still have doubts, you can get a second opinion, even at same hospital. Most will understand and not be offended."
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Re: Low Testosterone - What to do? Take pills, shots, creams, supplements to boost it?

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A few questions about testosterone if anyone can answer them.

1. If male testosterone in men is important, why don't doctors usually ever mention it? Why is it never checked in a routine physical or annual medical check up? Why do doctors never tell patients about it or ask about it or recommend checking it? Isn't that odd? It seems that testosterone level is only talked about by athletes and on sports websites usually, but not medical websites. Why is that @HouseMD? Any idea?

2. Are all men supposed to have the same testosterone level? Aren't some men naturally lower in testosterone, for example if they are more feminine or soft spoken or gentle? Like Gandhi, Buddha, or Jesus for example? Wouldn't spiritual men or softer gentler men naturally have lower testosterone? If so, would that be bad for their health? Isn't stuff like weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol level, liver enzymes, white blood cell count, etc the main indicators of a man's health, rather than testosterone? How big a factor is testosterone? Is it a major factor or minor?

3. I heard testosterone causes hair loss in white men. If an asian guy gets testosterone shots, would he be at risk for hair loss too?

4. So only testosterone shots work? Not those health supplements at Costco or online health shops that boost testosterone? Aren't there lots of good testimonials about Progene?
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Some interesting links about low testosterone.

NY Times says it's better not to take prescription testosterone or ask your doctor about them, but instead just to lose weight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/opin ... low-t.html

A DANGEROUS MISDIAGNOSIS OF MEN WITH LOW TESTOSTERONE BY THEIR PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS

https://www.bostontestosterone.com/blog ... e-doctors/

Why testing testosterone is tricky

https://www.health.harvard.edu/prostate ... its-tricky

What Do You Want to Know About Low Testosterone?

https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone

Low Testosterone: Understanding Your Diagnosis

https://www.everydayhealth.com/hs/low-t ... diagnosis/

The link above say that low sex drive is a symptom of low testosterone. But I don't have that. I'm horny a lot and jack off a lot. So why did the lab test show that I have low testosterone? Strange.

The above link also said that obesity and sleep apnea can also cause low testosterone. Maybe that's the reason why?
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