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Winston wrote: Well hey, the best things in life are free. Why would intuition tell you to spend more? That's not wise. The best things in life are free and money is not a natural thing even.
My point is that I've observed that you have a tendency to be cheap. I always hear you complaining about spending money on other people. Perhaps self-interest and not interest in your son's health is really guiding your decisions on this issue? I don't know you well enough to say that for a fact, but it's something that's worth considering.
Winston wrote: An experienced doctor? Why would they know any more about vaccines than you or me?
Oh, I don't know... perhaps because they've studied chemistry, biology, and medicine for many years. The body is a biochemical system. You can't prescribe medications by reading tarot cards. Biology and chemistry are the keys to understanding the human body.
Winston wrote: Jackal, I'm surprised you're so closed minded on this. Watch the documentary I posted above, "Vaccine Nation". You'll learn a lot from it. It features credible experts.

How do you explain that kids who aren't vaccinated with the 24 shot program tend to be healthier than kids that are? How do you explain that?
According to whom? What was the sample size of the study? Who performed it?

I don't have time for this nonsense. I just hope you don't put your son at risk because of your interest in conspiracy theories.
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Jackal,
Cheap? Maybe. I prefer the word "efficient".

Sure the body is a biochemical entity. But we are talking about vaccines here. All the doctors know about vaccines is whatever Big Pharma tells them, which has a VESTED INTEREST in selling them.

Many doctors don't vaccinate their own children. What does that tell you?

Where is your proof that vaccines do more good than bad?

What nonsense? This is life and death dude. What is wrong with your mind? Why don't you watch those two films above? They will change your mind.

One Dutch woman above, Desiree Rover, lost her son to cancer that was caused by a vaccine. She went through a traumatizing loss. Why don't you tell your propagandic nonsense to her?

Are you naive? Do you think Big Pharma would fund a study that showed that vaccines were bad and unnecessary? Do you not understand the ways of corruption?

Seriously Jackal, you need to do some research before shooting off your mouth like that. Suppose you are wrong, then your advice to get vaccines would be endangering my son. Did you ever consider that? Study the evidence. It will horrify you. Consider the consequences of being wrong.

Do your Buddhist meditation that you speak so highly of, and think about this objectively. You sound biased and brainwashed here.
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LinuxOnly wrote:there's little proof that vaccines prevent anything. there is always inherent risk, and in most cases the risk outweighs the possible benefits. lastly, all vaccines have added poisons like mercury inside, under order from rockefeller and others some 50 years ago.
This is an ignorant lie.

Vaccines have prevented the contraction of Polio and Small Pox.

There were annual summer Polio outbreaks in the USA up to the year I was born, and Small Pox was eradicated when I was in my teens.

This was due to the administration of vaccines.

I saw the occasional older child on crutches when I was very young, and now those children do not exist as Polio is no longer a threat in the USA.

Really, your point of view is not opinion it's total ignorance of factual reality.

Very dangerous and stupid and agenda driven.
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yes, i do have an agenda. i want people to think for themselves and not inject their family members with poison just because some eugenicists and profiteering pharma companies scared them into it.

first of all i didn't say vaccines didn't do anything, i'm not qualified to proclaim that. although there is as much evidence for that as there is for them being useful. unless you're talking about useful for population control in which case they're a godsend. in a perfect world, maybe vaccines are a good way to prevent disease. unfortunately we live in a world where africans go to get vaccinated for polio and get purposely infected with aids. and for every child that doesn't get polio, several might become autistic because of the shots.

as for the heart warming story of the 1950/60s mass inoculations to "protect" children..
the polio epidemic hit its bell curve and was on its way down before the vaccine was released. that is the reality.
i'm not going to try to write an essay on this as there are many resources to read from much more qualified people. the books are out there. the question is do you want the truth or are you more comfortable with fabricated history and taking p.r. films as documentaries.

let's fast forward to modern day. bird flu & swine flu. these were found to be man-made. so we're going to the same people that are designing these viruses for help. the best part? the patent for the swine flu vaccine pre-dated the discovery of swine flu.

but no, run out and get your 12 year old daughter vaccinated even though cervical cancer affects 50 year old women and is mostly caused by the chemicals in condoms.
globetrotter wrote:It's the pussifycation of America. People want a risk-free life and if one kids gets sick or dies from a vaccination, it's a conspiracy I tell ya!
During the swine flu scare I was driving by some clinic. Hundreds of parents holding babies were lined up (mostly uneducated immigrants from places like the Philippines). You should have seen their pale faces, worrying if there were enough shots, if their chlld would be one of the lucky ones to get poisoned. Why were they there? Because the [probably completely fabricated] news report said 80 people were dead. Mostly in China. Oh and one Russian soldier in eastern Russia collapsed on a train. :lol: Simply ridiculous. It's a fear based idiocracy.
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Winston wrote:Jackal,
Cheap? Maybe. I prefer the word "efficient".

Sure the body is a biochemical entity. But we are talking about vaccines here. All the doctors know about vaccines is whatever Big Pharma tells them, which has a VESTED INTEREST in selling them.

Many doctors don't vaccinate their own children. What does that tell you?
Exactly. And it's the same with the Lasik eye surgery. Many of the doctors who preform that operation wear glasses/contacts.

As far as the subject, go to this website and read the various reviews of drugs that doctors prescribe. Thousands of people are complaining that certain drugs should be taken off the market but you never hear about this stuff. http://www.askapatient.com/rateyourmedicine.htm






For example, look at the reviews of the drug Paxil:

"Upon stopping the paxil I experienced anxiety like never before taking the drug. I also had numerous crying spells and depression which also was never a issue pre-paxil.My confidence and self-esteem was shot but is slowly rebounding.I'm doing much better than most withdrawing from paxil.DO NOT TAKE THIS DRUG!!!! You become a shell of your former self....try CBT with a qualified therapist.I'm serious this is no joke!! Paxil is poison!!!"




"Here's the thing. Be very careful about taking this drug. Your doctor probably doesn't know much about the side effects and if you doctor is like mine, they call it a "trade-off" - This drug was not worth the trouble. When I tried to stop taking it, I got very ill with what I can only describe as flu-like symptoms...BAD flu-like symptoms...and I couldn't stop. I had to keep taking the drug. I tried to wean myself but eventually got'the flu" again and had to go back. What finally helped me to stop was a course of prednisone that I had to take for asthma (oh yeah...asthma meds can contribute to depression...all part of the trade-off, downward spiral thing that drs could learn about if they would only 1) listen to their patients and 2) read that little circular that comes with meds but I digress) - the prednisone (another nasty little drug) sort of masked all of my withdrawal symptoms and by the time I was off the course of prednisone, I seemed to have gotten through the worst of the withdrawal. I don't recommend you do it the way I did it but it did work and by that time I thought I would be on Paxil forever....isn't that a handy little side-effect for the drug company?"




Or lets look at Tamiflu that has a rating of 2.2 out of over 700 people:

"This medicine is horrible! I took one pill and about an hour later i was in the bathroom puking my brains out. After vomiting, I couldn't fall asleep for hours because my stomach pain was astronomical. Once I was able to fall asleep, I kept waking up to a painful headache which I've never experienced before. I never took anymore of the medication after the first pill. I would NOT RECOMMEND tamiflu to anyone! You're better off fighting the flu off on your own."



"NOT WORTH THE RISK... WILL NOT TAKE THIS MEDICATION AGAIN... FEEL TERRIBLE... I AM USUALLY A HAPPY AND POSITIVE PERSON... AFTER 2 DAYS OF TAKING THIS MED... I HAVE A SUICIDAL THOUGHT... LOSS SLEEP AND NOT KNOW WHY... DONT TAKE THIS MEDICATION... IT IS NOT
WORTH THE RISK..."



http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.a ... me=TAMIFLU




Anyhow, I believe that the Vioxx drug that hundreds of doctors prescribe was the worse situation I have heard of.


Merck & Co.’s arthritis drug Vioxx may have led to more than 27,000 heart attacks and sudden cardiac deaths before it was pulled from the market last week, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday, citing an unreleased study by government regulators.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6192603/ns/ ... arthritis/
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This new book covers all the different angles of the Vaccine market and how it is manipulated. If anyone is interested in this they should read this book:

http://www.vaccineepidemic.com/
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Guys,
Use your common sense here. Putting 24 to 36 vaccines into a baby does not make sense. That is big time overload on the baby's immune system with poisonous chemicals.

Learn to study objective sources, like the link that Mr S gave above.

Also, consider this: If the elite can kill a million people in Iraq or Vietnam and have no problem with it, why would they give a shit about protecting your children?! Think about it. They obviously have ulterior motives.

You know, before I was 13, my body was light and I could sprint on a grassy field for 20 - 30 minutes at full speed. One day, I woke up and found that my nails on my fingers and toes were twisted and deformed, and even worse I could no longer sprint at all. When I tried to run, I ran out of breath immediately. It all happened in one day. I wonder if getting flu shots had anything to do with it. Possibly...
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LinuxOnly wrote:yes, i do have an agenda. i want people to think for themselves and not inject their family members with poison just because some eugenicists and profiteering pharma companies scared them into it.
You only want people to think for themselves if they agree with you, that's the problem.

Who has to be scared into it when you saw classmates die or be permanently paralyzed?

I have come to think that the preponderance of CT in the past 15 years must be due to a dumbing down of the US population and a concomitant increase of massive amounts of self-esteem that blind people to their own weaknesses. Add in paranoia and an inability to rationally assess the world and you get the various strains of CT nonsense.

This has unleashed a nation of Dunning-Kruger aspirants who have no clue about what they are talking about except that if someone agrees with them, then a person is 'thinking for themselves' but if someone does not agree with them, they are sheeple being scared by eugenicists.

Do you know how many times I have argued with Truthers, only to find out that NONE of them know even BASIC PHYSICS and that none of them have the intellect to even reach a basic 9th grade level conclusion on their own? They must always cite an 'expert', because they simply lack the ability to analyze the situation for themselves.

In the same vein, spoiled and ignorant paranoiacs hue and cry over the harm the vaccines may cause without realizing that (as an example) 100,000 people a year used to die, but now 1,000 per year have bad side effects. These whiners are much MUCH more prone to complain on the internet (3-11 theory) and thus when you look at webpages you are falsely led to believe that there is an epidemic of vaccine side effects that must be stopped by ceasing the vaccines.

Never mind that more people will die - that doesn't matter.
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Jackal wrote:
Winston wrote: I'm glad I stopped getting my son vaccines. My gut instinct told me it was not a good idea, besides the expensive cost of them in the Philippines.
And how often does your "gut instinct" tell you to do things which will cost you more money?.
LOL that's the first thing I thought of when I read his post.

With Winston, there's always a monetary angle, no matter how piddling the cost.
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The February 2nd 2011 Coast to Coast AM had three hours dedicated to the Vaccination topic/debate. Those who are interested should really listen to both sides of the issue before shooting down either/or. There are some serious issues with vaccinations and our government and medical research establishment are not properly addressing them. I'm not going to go into a long diatribe regarding my point of view, all I'm putting out there is that some further info is needed where people can properly read the research behind them and then come up with their own decisions. Governments should not be forcing anyone to put vaccinations into their bodies until there have been proper human trials done on them. Most of these Vaccines that have multiple vaccines in them have not been trialed in children over a long period of time. There is one Dr who is starting to do this with monkeys and he is being attacked by the establishment for doing so. Guys, seriously there is much more to vaccinations then just trying to cure people and keep them healthy if you look beyond the establishment's propaganda...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/02/09

It starts in the second hour I've just provided the first link to listen to out of 12:
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Also here are a couple of brothers attempting to raise money to do a documentary on vaccines, specifically the one that destroyed their sisters life:



ABOUT THIS PROJECT

One More Girl is a documentary about the stories of anguish and travesty, futures destroyed, and families reduced to financial ruin by medical costs brought on by a supposedly safe vaccine, Gardasil. The vaccine is designed to prevent Human Papillomavirus (HPV).

Pre-production is in process right now and we are raising funds so that we can begin production this summer with a tentative 2012 release date.

We are two brothers that were motivated to make this documentary when our sister had experienced several serious side-effects after her first injection of the Gardasil vaccine. Her adverse reaction demanded further investigation which led to the startling discovery that thousands of young girls were having serious reactions to the vaccine, including death. At last count, there have been 89 confirmed deaths as a result of Gardasil.

These girls’ reactions to the vaccine range from muscle pain, weakness, seizures, strokes, autoimmune problems, paralysis, tremors, heart issues, and the list goes on and on. Furthermore, it is estimated that only 1-10% of vaccine related side-effects are reported.

Treating these girls is a challenge. Doctors don‘t know how to treat them and are reluctant to do so without establishing the cause of their symptoms, yet they are resistant or refuse to link the medical conditions with the vaccine. So, these girls have been suffering in silence.

Haunted by the tragic stories of thousands of girls injured by Gardasil, we began in-depth research to verify a correlation between the vaccine and the girls’ medical conditions. We wanted to know more about the HPV that causes cervical cancer, the vaccine created to prevent it, and Merck Pharmaceutical Company, which developed the HPV vaccine Gardasil.

The Gardasil Girls' stories are backed up with research and data from global activists, attorneys, medical experts and journalists. Dr. Dianne M. Harper, the leading researcher that worked for 20 years developing the Gardasil vaccine states that, �There is not enough evidence gathered on the side-effects to know that safety is not an issue� and “giving it to 11 year old girls is a great big public health experiment.� Dr. Harper speaks out even though her words could be detrimental to Merck. She claims, �That she wants to be able to sleep with herself when she goes to bed at night.�

With this information we had to ask, “Why hasn’t the use of this vaccine been stopped?� This is a classic case of pharmaceutical company/government versus the medical consumer.

As filmmakers, we decided that the best way to bring this topic to the forefront was to make a documentary giving the “Gardasil Girls“ a voice. We intend to educate the public on HPV, the impact of Gardasil on young girls’ lives, and to expose Merck’s irresponsible marketing and testing procedures.

We have teamed up with Truth About Gardasil, http://truthaboutgardasil.org, and SaneVax Inc., Safe, Affordable, Necessary and Effective Vaccines, http://sanevax.org. TAG and SaneVax are two advocacy groups involved in exposing the truth about the HPV vaccines and reaching out to those that have been hurt by it. Together they have accumulated over four years of information on Gardasil.

We are passionate about protecting young girls or anyone from adverse reactions caused by Merck Pharmaceutical whose irresponsible marketing, inadequate testing of Gardasil and drive for profit destroys lives.

One More Girl needs your financial support to complete production of this documentary. We invite you to participate by posting your pledges here on Kickstarter. Together, we can give these girls a voice.

On behalf of the victims and their families, we thank you.
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woah there! Globetrotter here
a) had his life saved (or so he thinks) by the polio vaccine
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b) spoke to some pot head "truthers"

MR. S, don't bother making any more posts. We've been merked.
Vaccines are there to protect you. You may die any second, there's no time to lose. Run, don't walk to the clinic and get inoculated against everything. Doesn't matter if the product hasn't been tested for safety or effectiveness for that matter. Let's stop caring about why things are the way they are and just accept everything as 'the way it's always been.' We should think and speak within the programming and refrain from any "conspiracy theorist" triggers, otherwise globetrotter won't be able to read this forum.

globetrotter, you're acting like an absolute tool. i doubt if you'll ever see it. so what if you were smart enough to leave the US. so what if you have a background in math or physics. until you defeat the mind control keeping you blind you're just as ignorant as everyone else. there's nothing to fear. and your ego is not your soul. so when a psychological barrier pops up, KNOCK IT DOWN! don't listen to your ego

that's all i can say. it's pretty pointless trying to help a zombie unless they show a desire for help. for a lot of people 9/11 is what shook them up. but the conditioning is so strong a zombie can even rationalize how 2 planes can bring down 3 skyscrapers.
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LinuxOnly wrote:woah there! Globetrotter here
a) had his life saved (or so he thinks) by the polio vaccine
and
b) spoke to some pot head "truthers"

MR. S, don't bother making any more posts. We've been merked.
Vaccines are there to protect you. You may die any second, there's no time to lose. Run, don't walk to the clinic and get inoculated against everything. Doesn't matter if the product hasn't been tested for safety or effectiveness for that matter. Let's stop caring about why things are the way they are and just accept everything as 'the way it's always been.' We should think and speak within the programming and refrain from any "conspiracy theorist" triggers, otherwise globetrotter won't be able to read this forum.

globetrotter, you're acting like an absolute tool. i doubt if you'll ever see it. so what if you were smart enough to leave the US. so what if you have a background in math or physics. until you defeat the mind control keeping you blind you're just as ignorant as everyone else. there's nothing to fear. and your ego is not your soul. so when a psychological barrier pops up, KNOCK IT DOWN! don't listen to your ego

that's all i can say. it's pretty pointless trying to help a zombie unless they show a desire for help. for a lot of people 9/11 is what shook them up. but the conditioning is so strong a zombie can even rationalize how 2 planes can bring down 3 skyscrapers.
It is also pointless to attempt to enlighten one such as yourself who lives in an era where there is little or no threat to his life due to infectious diseases, as most of the fatalities have been eradicated due to vaccinations.
a) had his life saved (or so he thinks) by the polio vaccine
and
Only an idiot or the willfully ignorant would claim that Polio, Measles, Mumps, MMR, etc. vaccines did not save lives.

The reason you whine about vaccines is because they have done their job and eliminated most or all of the deaths from said diseases.

Now, since no one dies of Polio, etal, all you have are the side effects to complain about.

Since you lack historical education, age and wisdom, you could not possibly know that within the lifetime memory of some members here, it was entirely possible that we, or someone we know, could have died from Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, etc. The vaccines that we took all but elminated those thousands of annual deaths and the regular outbreaks.

I actually contracted the measles as a child, before I got vaccinated. This disease was eradicated from the USA in 2000 by this vaccine.

Do you know that disease is fatal sometimes? Do you also know that it has been all but eradicated within the USA due to the vaccinations?

So now that you won't die from the disease, you complain about the fact that the vaccines are not 100.00% safe and that there are side effects and the occasional fatality.

Of course.

It's a trade-off.

Many thousands of annual deaths due to illness, or a handful of deaths and bad side effects due to the vaccine.

I don't expect you to be able to comprehend this post, but your profound ignorance cannot be left unchallenged.

All readily available on a Google search:
-Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
-In 2008, there were 164 000 measles deaths globally – nearly 450 deaths every day or 18 deaths every hour.
-During 1971-75, an average of 35.4 measles-related deaths were recorded each year; one death for every 1,000 measles cases reported. Measles mortality rate was highest in children under 1 year of age, as was the death-to-case ratio.
-In the United States, reported cases of measles in the United States fell from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands per year following introduction of the vaccine in 1963.
-In the decade prior to the introduction of the MMR (measles-mumps-rubella) combination vaccine in the United States, it’s estimated that more than three million people were infected with the measles each year. Since MMR reached widespread use, measles cases in the country have been reduced by more than 99%.

3,000,000 / 1,000 = 3,000 died each year from the Measles in the USA.

That's D-E-A-T-H-S from the Measles. People die from it without a (MMR) vaccine.

-The MMR vaccine is an immunization shot against measles, mumps and rubella (also called German measles). It was first developed by Maurice Hilleman while at Merck in the late 1960s.

I was 8 years old in the late 1960's.

So in 1965 when I contracted the Measles (because the vaccine had not been invented yet), it had a shockingly good chance of KILLING my youngest brother, as it is most lethal in younger children.

Everyone in the family caught it at once - all 4 kids.

Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio - they all KILLED children. That is why the vaccines were created and given, and it's why you don't have to worry about contracting those diseases and you can instead whine about the side effects of the vaccines, as they outnumber the (non-existent) deaths.

Again, I do not expect you to have the intellectual capacity to understand this.
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do you realize that intelligence/iq scores have been plummeting :?
do you realize that infertility has shot up faster than...um... charlie sheen's popularity, or the % of western women that consider themselves bi or lesbian

the life expectancy of the average american is now dropping for the first time in recorded history

there are many reasons for this. i can bring all the causes of this together and use the fairly generic term 'nwo'. you can't handle that. fine, consider it profiteering corporations. the money argument is the safe one. the reason isn't important in most cases.

let me reiterate that vaccines may indeed be a good way to fight disease. i have not made up my mind on that because i'm not in a position where i need to be. yes they are inherently dangerous but theoretically better than a deadly epidemic.

that's not primarily what i have an issue with. i have an issue with eugenics + junk science + anecdotal evidence + scare tactics tricking people into getting themselves and especially their newborns injected with poisons because some 80 people worldwide died of some MAN MADE "epidemic". whether man made it in a lab, or made it up via the media.

if "the flu" kills millions of people every year, and can be prevented better than with any vaccination by using high doses of vitamin d (or getting plenty of sun) and good nutrition, why get vaccinated against things like "swine flu" at all.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kgJfw6 ... cker=False[/youtube]

watch these ("Medically Lobotomized" 1/3) if you can skip over the bits of alex jones interrupting
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prC6OgsS ... cker=False[/youtube]


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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7oL7wdQ ... cker=False[/youtube]
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LinuxOnly wrote:do you realize that intelligence/iq scores have been plummeting :?
do you realize that infertility has shot up faster than...um... charlie sheen's popularity, or the % of western women that consider themselves bi or lesbian

the life expectancy of the average american is now dropping for the first time in recorded history
Like all CT adherents you have a massive intellectual block with regards to these two concepts:

Correlation
Causation

To your weak intellect, the correlation above is proof of causation, and this nullifies the deaths that occurred. It couldn't be microwaved food, GMO, or The Pill being in the water supply, or any other cause.

No, it has to be the vaccines that save tens of thousands of lives per year.

You are intellectually incapable of comprehending that I lived in a time when people DIED from the diseases that you wish to stop vaccinating against.
"you can't handle that. fine, consider it profiteering corporations. the money argument is the safe one. the reason isn't important in most cases. "
No, you cannot consider that Shit Happens, and that all results are not intentional. Again you apply causation where it does not exist. You dismiss that you could die in a world without vaccines.

Look, you are operating from a faulty premise, in that you think I do not know what you know and that if you could only show me the information that you (alone) know, then I would agree with you.

This is false.

I know most of what you know.

Where I disagree is that in every single case, when I read a source that someone as yourself posts, I can find the logical, scientific or other flaw within 30 seconds, often much sooner. It is the same type of flaw, every single time, across all the ideas the populate the CT/NWO landscape.

Here are a few ideas just off the top:

-If IQ levels in the USA are dropping due to vaccines, then why are other industrialized nations, and Asian nations, not seeing the same drops? They are vaccinated against MMR, too. The Chinese have no wish for their children to die from the Measles, either. Those not vaccinated would see a closing of the gap, yet none is revealed.
-Infertility could be caused by any of a number of sources, not vaccines.
-You never considered that when a vaccine is developed it is given a clinical trial, the size of which was too small to capture any effects that you complain about in a population of hundreds of millions. This is basis statistics.
-You never considered that people consider side effects less onerous than death. You moral blindness to this is puzzling and disturbing.
-Lesbianism and Bisexuality in females can be easily explained by rampant Feminism.

I could go on, deconstructing every thing you post from here on out in the same fashion.

Just because something appears to have intent behind it, that is not proof of intent.

Correlation is not Causation.

My guess is that you are a product of USA public schools in the PC era, that you are under 34 years of age, and that your education compared to mine lacks several basic pillars that were essential in my day ( I am 50 ) that are now ignored.
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