Vegetarianism is a scam. Paleo is where its at.

[theprimebait]

http://www.chetday.com/billings.html

http://beyondveg.com/

Yes the grain and starch diet is unhealthy,yes cows being fed their own shit is unhealthy.

but organic diary and meat are necessary for good development.Humans are Omnivores.we aren't Herbivores or Carnivores.

you feed your kids a vegetarian diet and they will have stunted growth,severe nutritional deficiencies.

Yes Raw green vegetables are good for you,but you gotta eat organic meat and diary too. also seafoods.

avoid grains,rice and other domesticated foods.

Notice people who grew up on farms are tall and have great frames,while countries where they are vegetarian and eat rice,beans,grains,pasta,starch are short,puny and weak?

[momopi]

Notice people who grew up on farms are tall and have great frames,while countries where they are vegetarian and eat rice,beans,grains,pasta,starch are short,puny and weak?

Height is affected by genetics and diet. Do you know Dalip Singh Rana, aka "The Great Khali"? He's lacto-ovo vegetarian (eggs OK).

[FinnMonash]

Notice people who grew up on farms are tall and have great frames,while countries where they are vegetarian and eat rice,beans,grains,pasta,starch are short,puny and weak?

Height is affected by genetics and diet. Do you know Dalip Singh Rana, aka "The Great Khali"? He's lacto-ovo vegetarian (eggs OK).

I go through the video that you uploaded and think for some time that are people like Khali are also present in India.I was shocked at the time of watching the video of Khali's fight.

[Zero_Tolerance_Man]

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer. Vegans get these diseases a fraction of the time. Also, organic means grown in the ground so there is no such thing as organic meat. Only, hormone free, fed with organic grass. Good luck verifying that. I think a little wild Alaskan fish like sardines or salmon is ok a couple of time a week. Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

[Cornfed]

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer. Vegans get these diseases a fraction of the time. Also, organic means grown in the ground so there is no such thing as organic meat. Only, hormone free, fed with organic grass. Good luck verifying that. I think a little wild Alaskan fish like sardines or salmon is ok a couple of time a week. Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

Odd that most known hunter-gatherer tribes prefer to base their diets on fatty meats then. If you eliminate animal products as well as agricultural seed foods that contain lectins, digestive inhibitors and so on, what would you eat to get the bulk of your protein and calories?

[theprimebait]

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer. Vegans get these diseases a fraction of the time. Also, organic means grown in the ground so there is no such thing as organic meat. Only, hormone free, fed with organic grass. Good luck verifying that. I think a little wild Alaskan fish like sardines or salmon is ok a couple of time a week. Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

Odd that most known hunter-gatherer tribes prefer to base their diets on fatty meats then. If you eliminate animal products as well as agricultural seed foods that contain lectins, digestive inhibitors and so on, what would you eat to get the bulk of your protein and calories?

Yes,hunter gatherers live off of fatty meats and liver.easily 80 % of their diet.

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional ... aborigines

Australian Aborigines: Living Off the Fat of the Land

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional ... and-grease

Guts and Grease: The Diet of Native Americans

most vegeterian arguments are based on refuted,outdated or plain distorted data.they completely ignore that there are good fats(saturated)and worthless fats.and they also ignore that the supposed studies against Omnivores are just studies proving Veganism is better than the SAD diet(standard american diet)NOT organic meat consumption.in fact NO study ever said that,

Veganism uses manmade hyrid fruits anyway,true fruits are bitter and small and usually unbreakable without stone tools.most vegetables are hybrids these days.


legumes,grain,etc are poison without being processed.they also are unnatural to humans.they didnt exist until agriculture.

[theprimebait]

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer. Vegans get these diseases a fraction of the time. Also, organic means grown in the ground so there is no such thing as organic meat. Only, hormone free, fed with organic grass. Good luck verifying that. I think a little wild Alaskan fish like sardines or salmon is ok a couple of time a week. Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

yes GMO fed animals from modern day ranches are poison.but so is Grains,legumes,beans wich are worthless foods wich humans aren'te ven capable of eating without processing.Yet most vegans aren't chopping down pounds of raw,Green vegetables.they are eating vegan junk food.or high fructose manmade fruits(fruits didnt exist in paleolithic times.they were bitter,small and impossible to break without tools).

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer.

Source?

fact is liver is more nutrient dense than vegetables.Vegetables cannot give you adequete calories without bing eating.Vegetables cannot give you adequate saturated fats.

http://www.beyondveg.com/(the best resource on the web answering common vegetarian arguments,myths,distortions,crank science,and snakeoil ideas etc)

http://ancestral-nutrition.com/liver-th ... tivitamin/

http://ancestral-nutrition.com/the-plan ... n-a-price/

http://rawfoodsos.com/

she exposes alot of myths from both sides(meat eaters,and vegan)its a very unbiased look on things.

all these sources are more than enough to debunk vegetarianism.most are written by Ex-vegans.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ehzZ3yNyw‎[/youtube]

Longevity & health in ancient Paleolithic
vs. Neolithic peoples

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/an ... 4-1a.shtml

it should also be noted that many prominent Vegetarian gurus admit now that humans are naturally Omnivores.many gurus,like Markus rothkranz don't see meat as bad,just not optimal.

Truth is meat is needed.Be open minded.Seek the Truth.

[theprimebait]

Notice people who grew up on farms are tall and have great frames,while countries where they are vegetarian and eat rice,beans,grains,pasta,starch are short,puny and weak?

Height is affected by genetics and diet. Do you know Dalip Singh Rana, aka "The Great Khali"? He's lacto-ovo vegetarian (eggs OK).

lol @ using extreme examples,that guy has a pituitary disorder.He'll die soon and won't make it to Longevity.


hes one in a million in his country.his fellow countrymen are all frail,weak and even they are not Vegetarian.Indians are not Vegetarian.lmao

fact:countries where the main staple is rice,beans,grains,legumes or other manmade worthless foods that are lethally toxic without soaking/cooking,anyway.are short as hell.

Asia,mexico,latin america.

tribes who lived on animal fats,livers AND raw green vegetables were robust,tall,and had ''superhuman''abilities like superb eyesight or speed.

the ones that ate grains,and veggies with no meat were short,weak and fragile.

just see the descriptions of Aborigines,native americans,or various african tribes that subsist on meat and diary.

Heck even northern chinese and mongolians are much more robust,masculine and STRONG than their grain eating southern counterparts!as Cholesterol is NEEDED to make testosterone.

before you cite polynesians and Island people as an example:they ate TONS of seafood ,LIVERS/ORGANS and coconut fat.aswell as roe(Fish eggs).

Africa also afforded Dr. Price the opportunity to compare primitive groups composed largely of meat eaters, with those that were mostly vegetarian. The Masai of Tankanika, Chewya of Kenya, Muhima of Uganda, Watusi of Ruanda and the Neurs tribes on the western side of the Nile in the Sudan were all cattle-keeping people. Their diets consisted largely of milk, blood and meat, supplemented in some cases with fish and with small amounts of grains, fruits and vegetables. Rich in animal fats, these diets provided large amounts of the fat-soluble vitamins Price discovered to be so necessary for proper development of the physical body and freedom from disease. The Neurs especially valued the livers of animals, considered so sacred "that it may not be touched by human hands. . . It is eaten both raw and cooked."2

These tribes were noted for their fine physiques and great height-in some groups the women averaged over 6 feet tall, and many men reached almost seven feet. Examinations of their teeth revealed very few caries, usually less than 0.5%. Nowhere in his travels had Price yet found groups that had no cavities at all, yet among the cattle-herding tribes of Africa, Dr. Price found six tribes that were completely free of dental decay. Furthermore, all members of these tribes exhibited straight, uncrowded teeth.

Largely vegetarian Bantu tribes such as the Kikuyu and Wakamba were agriculturists. Their diet consisted of sweet potatoes, corn, beans, bananas, millet and Kafir corn or sorghum. They were less robust than their meat-eating neighbors, and tended to be dominated by them. Price found that vegetarian groups had some tooth decay-usually around 5% or 6% of all teeth, still small numbers compared to Whites living off store-bought foods. Even among these largely vegetarian tribes, however, dental occlusions were rare, as were degenerative diseases.

as usual veggies being dominated by meat eaters.

The healthiest tribe that Price studied was the Dinkas, a Sudanese tribe on the western bank of the Nile. They were not as tall as the cattle-herding Neurs groups but they were physically better proportioned and had greater strength. Their diet consisted mainly of fish and cereal grains. This is perhaps the greatest lesson of Price's African research-that a diet of whole foods, one that avoids the extremes of the carnivorous Masai and the largely vegetarian Bantu, but incorporates both nutrient dense grains and seafood, ensures optimum physical development.

shared among meat eaters are strong physiques and accute agility

The early explorers consistently described the native Americans as tall and well formed. Of the Indians of Texas, the explorer Cabeza de Vaca wrote, "The men could run after a deer for an entire day without resting and without apparent fatigue. . . one man near seven feet in stature. . . runs down a buffalo on foot and slays it with his knife or lance, as he runs by its side."7 The Indians were difficult to kill. De Vaca reports on an Indian "traversed by an arrow. . . he does not die but recovers from his wound." The Karakawas, a tribe that lived near the Gulf Coast, were tall, well-built and muscular. "The men went stark naked, the lower lip and nipple pierced, covered in alligator grease [to ward off mosquitoes], happy and generous, with amazing physical prowess. . . they go naked in the most burning sun, in winter they go out in early dawn to take a bath, breaking the ice with their body."

just look at Tibetans,mongolians,northern china vs southern chinese,filipinos,or Indonesians in terms of stature.

the first being meat,diary eaters the latter mostly vegetarian with some seafood.I say mostly ,because the meat they eat is always lean meat,and not in enough ratios.their foods are mainly grain ,legumes and veggies.Grain is a useless food.

best diet is raw green vegetables,fish eggs,animal livers,animal fats.diary is good for the fats contained.but direct animal fats like Tallow or liver pate is much healthier.

all organic of course.grass fed and all.

the best way to nutrition is Ghee and cod liver oil.

Vegetarian children are always malnourished and have stunted growth.they tend to be Emaciated aswell.

[theprimebait]

You are completely wrong. animal products have been proven to cause heart disease and cancer. Vegans get these diseases a fraction of the time. Also, organic means grown in the ground so there is no such thing as organic meat. Only, hormone free, fed with organic grass. Good luck verifying that. I think a little wild Alaskan fish like sardines or salmon is ok a couple of time a week. Otherwise, animal products will age you faster and ruin your health.

Odd that most known hunter-gatherer tribes prefer to base their diets on fatty meats then. If you eliminate animal products as well as agricultural seed foods that contain lectins, digestive inhibitors and so on, what would you eat to get the bulk of your protein and calories?

Grains deplete all your nutrients because of phytic acid.Phytic Acid is a mineral blocker that prevents absorption of calcium, magnesium, iron, copper and zinc.The presence of the phytates blocks the absorption of calcium, a risk factor for osteoporosis and other bone-related problems. Grains adapted to not be Digestable.

no wonder grain eaters are so malnourished and short.all the little nourishment they got,is destroyed by grains.so they get little nutrients in the first plsce and even that is totally depleted by all the grains they eat in their mainly grain diet of rice,beans,lentils etc and corn,bread etc

no wonder grain subsisting asians and mexicans are so short compared to their taller counterparts who eat meat,diary (Tibetans,northern native mexicans are known to be very tall )etc or the mostly pasta and grain eating italians vs the diary and meat eating germans who are all tall and robust.yes both eat meat and grains but in different ratios.

italians,most asians,and mexicans practically live off grain foods like rice,corn or bean.the token meat they do have is lean,and never the liver or fatty parts.Germans and Tibetans usually eat organic meats and diary.even here in Holland,most farms are organic.diary and meat are the main diets.it goes without saying the Dutch are the tallest people on earth.

Genes my ass.why are german descent- americans on the other hand shorter and weaker and more feminine?

http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat-ro ... egetables/


Does Meat Rot In Your Colon? No. What Does? Beans, Grains, and Vegetables!


It turns out that pepsin, trypsin, chymotrypsin, and our other proteases do a fine job of breaking down meat protein, and bile salts and lipase do a fine job of breaking down animal fat. [/b]In other words, meat is digested by enzymes produced by our own bodies. The primary reason we need our gut bacteria is to digest the sugars, starches, and fiber—found in grains, beans, and vegetables—that our digestive enzymes can’t break down.

Now what is that called, again, when food is being ‘digested’ by bacteria…?

rot \ˈrät\ (verb) — to undergo decomposition from the action of bacteria or fungi

In other words, meat doesn’t rot in your colon. GRAINS, BEANS, and VEGETABLES rot in your colon. And that is a fact.

[Moretorque]

So what is the best diet, lean meat and vegetables?

[Cornfed]

So what is the best diet, lean meat and vegetables?

Fatty meat, eggs and leafy green plant material.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Eat whatever the heck you like, but in moderation.

I personally find vegetarians and vegans to be paranoid, arrogant, and self-righteous about food much of the time. I say vibrant life is too short not to consume what you like.

Food consumption is not only for health, it is also for deep enjoyment and pleasure. Eating a steak every once and awhile is a pleasure for many. If you eat steak everyday, that is a problem.

[Moretorque]

So what is the best diet, lean meat and vegetables?

Fatty meat, eggs and leafy green plant material.

Don't you eat corn? and I bet it's GMO as well.

[Moretorque]

Eat whatever the heck you like, but in moderation.

I personally find vegetarians and vegans to be paranoid, arrogant, and self-righteous about food much of the time. I say vibrant life is too short not to consume what you like.

Food consumption is not only for health, it is also for deep enjoyment and pleasure. Eating a steak every once and awhile is a pleasure for many. If you eat steak everyday, that is a problem.

I have researched this from the angle of the mass extinction we are currently living under and if we all went vegetarian we could feed everybody and stop it.

[theprimebait]

So what is the best diet, lean meat and vegetables?

Fatty meat, eggs and leafy green plant material.

Don't you eat corn? and I bet it's GMO as well.

GMO or not,humans cannot live off of Birdseed.grains and agriculture is birdseed.humans cannot digest birdseed in it natural state.we also lose all the little vitamin we do have form the phytic acid in birdseeds.nott o mention that all the ''nutrients''in veggies,fruits and birdseeds are not assimilatable without animal fats.meaning that although fruits and veggies(wich is basically sugar with vitamins)have vitamins,they can't be absorbed in the body without animal protein.so go fruitarian and you are basically living off of sugar and vitamins wich can't be used by your body.

your stomach cannot digest greens either,thats why we need cattle to do it for us,and transfer the nutrients to their milk.

humans have a carnivorous digestive system,not a 4 stomach fermenting digestive system like cattle.cattle can eat plants because have 4 stomachs and also chew the cud.

rabbits eat their poop because digesting their plant food the first time is not possible.

Humans are not omnivores,herbivores or carnivores,we are Fativores.

We need Fat.

Eat whatever the heck you like, but in moderation.

I personally find vegetarians and vegans to be paranoid, arrogant, and self-righteous about food much of the time. I say vibrant life is too short not to consume what you like.

Food consumption is not only for health, it is also for deep enjoyment and pleasure. Eating a steak every once and awhile is a pleasure for many. If you eat steak everyday, that is a problem.

I have researched this from the angle of the mass extinction we are currently living under and if we all went vegetarian we could feed everybody and stop it.

nope.we have to cut down alot of forests and wildlife to make room for mass producing Agricultural farms.
on the other hand if we ate only meat and diary we could easily have small scale farms,because they get their nutrients from grass.that way we don't have to incenerate the poor animals to make room for your vegetarian farms.agriculture also depletes top soil production.

meaning agriculture depletes the soil,the middle east was once called the fertile crescent,due to farming and agriculture (wich begun there)its now a desert waste.

whereas Grass gazing animals restore soil quality.

its simple:have a veggie diet,and deplete all the top soils in the world(like we saw happened in the middle east after thousands of yrs of agriculture),burn down rainforests and wild life habitats to make room for your mass farms.

or have simple grass feeding animals wich cost NOTHING to feed(Grass is free and all over the place)and get your nutrients from them thru diary and meat.

humans cannot digest greens or grass,rudementary beasts do it for us,and give us the nutrient content from greens thru their milk and meat.

the problem isnt agri or animal as much as it is overpopulation.youc ant support 7 billion peoples no matter what you ddi to the earth.you would need THREE earths full of grains on every single meter,or animals feeding off of them to feed 7 billion people.we have to learn that the planet is finite anyway.

the Mass die off to come is a good thing,imo.it will bring us to a sustainable way of living and a hunter gatherer lifestyle(as thanks to agriculture most of the soil is depleted around the world).

when the crash comes youre not going to nourish on wild fruits and veggies or farming,youre gonna need some goats,sheep and grass.

smalls cale animals and self sustainability is where it is at.not agriculture.agriculture=soil depeltion,destruction of nature.

the middle east used to be sucha thick forest that the Cedar trees would not allow sunlight to hit the ground.thats how thick our forests were..until agriculture.now thanks to soil depletion and burning down forests to make room for farm land,its a f***ing shithole desert.

Agriculture=death,and environmental destruction.

don't so easily believe Vegan propoganda.