Logic flaws in the Star Wars Trilogy (long list)

[Moretorque]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

what country was that?

Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.

People are not going to tote the lying socialist cause, Communism Socialism in the form represented so far by man has to be enforced at gun point because nobody will subject themselves to it for long unless medicated. Why do you think they fluoridate the water supply more and more.

[Winston]

That video was pretty good, except for using that annoying music in between each number.

One thing that's never mentioned is why in Jedi when Luke defeats Vader and then faces the Emperor, he just throws away his light saber? Like what was he thinking that the Emperor would just say okay, you win and you can go now or I give up? Or that because the emperor was unarmed that he didn't have any ability to defeat Luke now? That part is kinda stupid.

I think Vader got messed up when the electricity shorted out his life support system in the suit that he is wearing when he picked up the Emperor, that's why he ended up dying, whereas Luke did not, although I would think it would short out his robotic hand and make it harder to carry Vader. Maybe he used the "force" to float Vader around down to the ships.

I hope Disney does something cool with the next 3 movies and makes them more adult and dark rather than childish and goofy. Lucas got sucked into the whole profit over substance after he realized how much he could make off of his toys and other franchise knockoffs. This is why Empire is the best cause the original dark plot line was kept in and the director was going for more of an adult theme, but then when Star Wars and Empires toys and other crap took off Lucas realized he would be better off making Jedi more kid friendly so he could make more money and changed the plot line of Jedi from it's original. This is why the director of Empire was let go for creative differences with Lucas. There is a video or interview somewhere on YouTube that talks about it. The Director of Empire wanted Jedi to be darker than Empire with lots of deaths and all that.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. If you are facing an arch enemy on his own turf, you don't just throw away your lightsaber. There's no advantage in that. If Luke had kept his lightsaber, he could have deflected the lightning attack, the way Mace Windu did in the prequels.

George Lucas is terrible at basic logic it seems. But in his interviews he comes across as very genuine and down-to-earth. Luke had to throw his lightsaber though, so that he could suffer the Emperor's lightning bolts and win the sympathy of his father. It's just a stupid plot device to move the story along. But no one would do that in real life. They have to make people do stupid things in the movies in order to advance a plot. I wish they could make a more realistic reason for disarming Luke than just having him throw it away.

Yeah Jedi sucked. It was totally fake and cheesy and nonsensical, as I explained in my list of logic flaws above. I didn't know that Irwin Kershner was going to direct it too. He made Empire Strikes Back into one of the greatest movies of all time. I wonder what he would have done with Jedi. They should do a remake of Jedi using the plot that Kershner originally had planned. Empire was far more realistic. Jedi was like a cartoon. They shouldn't belong in the same series. You don't defeat an Empire without great sacrifice and bloodshed. No way.

[Winston]

Which version is best?



I think the 2nd one is, the last one the dialogue is too contrived from the original to fit properly.

I think the second one is best too. They use the Emperor from Jedi in that version. The first version was the original one though. The subsequent versions are remakes in the special edition versions of the trilogy. I usually prefer the original version, but the original version here has kind of a dull Emperor with no personality.

[Winston]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

what country was that?

Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.

That's not a movie. That was real news. But hey, you can't compare the Afghans with the Ewoks. The Afghans were people with guns. But the Ewoks were little teddy bears with sticks and stones. Not the same. Plus the Afghans only drove the Soviets out. They didn't topple the Soviet Empire.

I don't understand how the Soviets could invade Nazi Germany successfully by pouring in millions of troops but they couldn't do that with Afghanistan?

How did the US conquer Afghanistan in a few days?

[Winston]

Mr. Wu who cares, of all the space series ever done the original Star Trek had the best stories consistantly and really looked at the childishness of mans inner soul.

Star Wars is very very over rated!

No not true. You can't compare Star Trek and Star Wars. They are different. Star Wars is a space age version of deep mythologies in the human race. George Lucas was a student of mythology and Joseph Campbell.

Star Wars is not overrated to the kids who grew up with it, like me. To us, it was like magic in our lives, not just a good story or legend. You can't understand if you didn't grow up with it.

Today's movies are cheap in comparison. When a blockbuster movie is made, it comes out on DVD after a few months. But Star Wars was in theaters for years before it was released on VHS. When it was, the VHS version sold for $70 each! Can you believe that? It was like gold. I wanted it more than anything. No movie today is like that.

Watch this History Channel documentary about the Star Wars legacy that explains this. You will gain a deeper appreciation of Star Wars after you see this.

Star Wars - The Legacy Revealed

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... yvDsj8LL_E

Also see this documentary about the making of the Star Wars Trilogy. It's very interesting.

Empire of Dreams - The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zMpLPjRms

[Winston]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

what country was that?

Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.

That's not a movie. That was real news. But hey, you can't compare the Afghans with the Ewoks. The Afghans were people with guns. But the Ewoks were little teddy bears with sticks and stones. Not the same. Plus the Afghans only drove the Soviets out. They didn't topple the Soviet Empire.

I don't understand how the Soviets could invade Nazi Germany successfully by pouring in millions of troops but they couldn't do that with Afghanistan?

How did the US conquer Afghanistan in a few days?

Actually during the Zulu Wars in Africa in 1879, hordes of Zulu warriors did defeat British army regiments, which was a surprising upset. They used speaks and clubs to defeat British troops with rifles. Here is a documentary about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFwzyfg6wY

There is a movie about it with Michael Caine called "Zulu".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meH1Y0tdzLk

[Winston]

Do any of you remember something?

When Star Wars came out in 1977, it played in movie theaters for years without coming out on VHS or Beta. As I remember, it didn't come out on VHS and Beta until 1983 or 1984.

But today's movies come out on DVD a few months after they are released. Why is that?

When Star Wars was released on VHS, I remember it sold for $70 a copy! Can you believe that? It was like gold. I wanted it more than anything. No movie today is like that.

[momopi]

We used to own a video rental store and, in early days "new release" movies in the 1980s retailed for $60-$80 on VHS. However the value dropped quickly as time passed. They were able to charge the higher prices to video rental stores that rented them out for a profit.

In those days I had an Amiga 1000 with A1300 genlock, hooked up to 2 VCR's for subtitle work. It was later replaced with A2000, SuperGen 2000S, and Pioneer LD player. My SVHS subtitled masters were used for Anime Expo show rooms.

Unfortunately LD's suffered from "rot" as the glue used in the discs did not last. I kept a few LD's as mementos and donated most to my Japanese translators. I don't even own LD player anymore. I did used to own Star Wars on LD and gave them away about 14 years ago. I still have a Panasonic AG 5710 SVHS VCR and a box of SVHS tapes, though most of my VHS/SVHS collection have gone into the recycle bin.

Star Wars is "science fantasy" space opera, as fantasy it's about as logical as flying dragons, casting spells, and throwing fireballs from your fingers. If you watched Legends of Galactic Heroes, it's like space ship combat with WWI and WW2 tactics in space. If you're bored enough to poke holes at it, you know you've spent too much time in front of the TV. Here's a hint: your brain turns of mush when watching TV, but it's less mushy if you watch subtitled shows in a foreign language.

[Winston]

Here is a documentary about how Star Wars fans hate George Lucas. It's called:

The People Versus George Lucas

[Winston]

Have you ever noticed something odd about the original Star Wars movie? It was supposed to be for kids right? But why then did it contain some gory scenes not appropriate for kids?

For example in the Cantina on Tatooine, Ben Kenobi cut off the arm of a creature that pulled out his blaster. It showed his arm on the floor with blood oozing out of it. That's not appropriate for kids.

Also when Luke's aunt and uncle got killed by the stormtroopers it showed them lying on the ground as burnt corpses impaled on a pole or something. That was way too disturbing for kids to see.

Also the scene made no logical sense. Why would the stormtroopers burn his aunt and uncle to a crisp like that? What purpose did it serve? Their objective was to get the droids because they had the stolen Death Star plans in them. So why didn't they hold the aunt and uncle as hostage and ransom them to Like in exchange for the droids? That would have been the logical action. Not kill them for no reason and accomplish nothing. It was just a cheap cliched plot device to sever Luke's ties to Tatooine so he could take off and become a space hero and get back at the empire. But it was stupid and senseless. Why couldn't Lucas find a more plausible way to kill them off?

None of the YouTube reviewers and critics mention any of this. They also never mention the fact that stormtrooper armor is useless and doesn't protect them from anything, not even from sticks and stones on Endor by the Ewoks. So why manufacture bulky and expensive suits for the stormtrooper that offers them no protection or advantage and only slows them down? Totally illogical. Why hasn't anyone on YouTube pointed this out? Strange.

[MrMan]

Have you ever noticed something odd about the original Star Wars movie? It was supposed to be for kids right? But why then did it contain some gory scenes not appropriate for kids?

For example in the Cantina on Tatooine, Ben Kenobi cut off the arm of a creature that pulled out his blaster. It showed his arm on the floor with blood oozing out of it. That's not appropriate for kids.

Also when Luke's aunt and uncle got killed by the stormtroopers it showed them lying on the ground as burnt corpses impaled on a pole or something. That was way too disturbing for kids to see.

Also the scene made no logical sense. Why would the stormtroopers burn his aunt and uncle to a crisp like that? What purpose did it serve? Their objective was to get the droids because they had the stolen Death Star plans in them. So why didn't they hold the aunt and uncle as hostage and ransom them to Like in exchange for the droids? That would have been the logical action. Not kill them for no reason and accomplish nothing. It was just a cheap cliched plot device to sever Luke's ties to Tatooine so he could take off and become a space hero and get back at the empire. But it was stupid and senseless. Why couldn't Lucas find a more plausible way to kill them off?

None of the YouTube reviewers and critics mention any of this. They also never mention the fact that stormtrooper armor is useless and doesn't protect them from anything, not even from sticks and stones on Endor by the Ewoks. So why manufacture bulky and expensive suits for the stormtrooper that offers them no protection or advantage and only slows them down? Totally illogical. Why hasn't anyone on YouTube pointed this out? Strange.

Who said Star Wars was for kids? I mean, we saw it when we were kids. They made toys for the kids, but the actual movie made specifically for kids? I don't see that.

Good point about burning the aunt and uncle. I suppose it illustrated how bad the imperial government was... but why do that?

The storm trooper armor looks cool, but also makes the storm troopers seem less human so when they get shot, we don't care, and it hides the fact that they are clones (I think) without having to use special effects to make them look like clones.

[Winston]

Have you ever noticed something odd about the original Star Wars movie? It was supposed to be for kids right? But why then did it contain some gory scenes not appropriate for kids?

For example in the Cantina on Tatooine, Ben Kenobi cut off the arm of a creature that pulled out his blaster. It showed his arm on the floor with blood oozing out of it. That's not appropriate for kids.

Also when Luke's aunt and uncle got killed by the stormtroopers it showed them lying on the ground as burnt corpses impaled on a pole or something. That was way too disturbing for kids to see.

Also the scene made no logical sense. Why would the stormtroopers burn his aunt and uncle to a crisp like that? What purpose did it serve? Their objective was to get the droids because they had the stolen Death Star plans in them. So why didn't they hold the aunt and uncle as hostage and ransom them to Like in exchange for the droids? That would have been the logical action. Not kill them for no reason and accomplish nothing. It was just a cheap cliched plot device to sever Luke's ties to Tatooine so he could take off and become a space hero and get back at the empire. But it was stupid and senseless. Why couldn't Lucas find a more plausible way to kill them off?

None of the YouTube reviewers and critics mention any of this. They also never mention the fact that stormtrooper armor is useless and doesn't protect them from anything, not even from sticks and stones on Endor by the Ewoks. So why manufacture bulky and expensive suits for the stormtrooper that offers them no protection or advantage and only slows them down? Totally illogical. Why hasn't anyone on YouTube pointed this out? Strange.

Who said Star Wars was for kids? I mean, we saw it when we were kids. They made toys for the kids, but the actual movie made specifically for kids? I don't see that.

Good point about burning the aunt and uncle. I suppose it illustrated how bad the imperial government was... but why do that?

The storm trooper armor looks cool, but also makes the storm troopers seem less human so when they get shot, we don't care, and it hides the fact that they are clones (I think) without having to use special effects to make them look like clones.

Well we assume it was made for kids because of all the toys and stuff. My kindergarten class even took me to see "The Empire Strikes Back" when it came out. But even so, it's still odd that those gory scenes were there. Why were they necessary? You can kill someone in a movie cleanly without any blood like they did in 1970s films. They just had people lying down on the floor with no blood or anything revolting to look at.

Yes they did that to Luke's aunt and uncle to make Luke angry and seek revenge. It's the most common trope in action films. When the protagonist loses his family he seeks revenge and that becomes his motive. It makes the audience angry and empathize with the protagonist too. But there was no logic behind it. Because the stormtroopers had no motive to kill them for no reason. It would have made more sense to hold them hostage as random to trade them for the droids. Otherwise they have no bargaining chip.

If you watch the movie "The Patriot" from 2000, the British army also burned a church with civilians inside them and killed all of them for no reason. It made no sense either and served no purpose, other than making the audience angry and wanting revenge. The British said that scene was abhorrent and that no British army would ever do that.

Good point about the stormtroopers. Yes they look like robots and no one cares if they get shot. And in the 70s it would have been more difficult to show clones. Why didn't they just make them regular soldiers without all that body suit? Maybe Lucas was making a point that soldiers are just clones with no individuality and that's what empires do to them?

[MrMan]

I think the armor had a lot to do with them looking cool, interesting, but robotic. I might have thought they were robots when I was 5. Hey... maybe that armor did protect them, so they were just injured and could come back later. Or maybe it preserved their biological material to make more clones? What a pleasant thought.

Lukes aunt and uncle... wouldn't that have been on Anakin's side? It makes less sense if this was Darth Vader's sister and brother-in-law or brother and sister-in-law. The Sith are supposed to have passions of all sorts, right? So why would Vader want his own sibling killed? If they were in-laws... maybe a desert planet is a good place to hide out, but there are better places in the Star Wars universe, like that swamp planet with Yoda if there were a bit of civilization.

[Winston]

When I was a kid, I always assumed that Luke's aunt and uncle were killed because the stormtroopers tortured them to death because they wouldn't tell them where Luke and the droids were. And then after they killed them, they covered it up by blowing up their house with a bomb and making it look like an accident. Remember when they killed the Jawas, Ben Kenobi said that they tried to make it look like the Sand people did it as a cover up.

Yeah the stormtroopers thing is symbolic. Lucas was making a political statement about clones and people with hive minds, which is what totalitarian governments create.

Maybe there are Star Wars forums and fan sites out there that answer these questions. I used to use IMDB to ask these question but they took down their forums for some reason.

[MrMan]

Google said this,

"Owen and Beru Lars, who raised Luke Skywalker, were related to Darth Vader (Luke's father) through marriage. Owen was Anakin Skywalker's stepbrother, as Owen's father, Cliegg Lars, married Anakin's mother, Shmi, after Anakin left Tatooine. Beru was Owen's wife. Therefore, they were Luke's step-aunt and step-uncle, but they were generally referred to as his aunt and uncle. "