Should I read a Roosh V or some other PUA book?

pandabear · Post by **pandabear** » May 1st, 2014, 1:54 pm

A few more points to ponder.

pandabear · Post by **pandabear** » May 1st, 2014, 1:56 pm

Another one.

Enticer · Post by **Enticer** » May 1st, 2014, 7:05 pm

Hmmmm...what you know. PUA advice at the TED convention. 3- 4 classic evil PUA techniques used for dating and business. Hmmmm...must be something to this....

pandabear · Post by **pandabear** » May 2nd, 2014, 3:48 pm

It does seem to be the case.

pandabear · Post by **pandabear** » May 2nd, 2014, 4:35 pm

Women may deploy techniques, too:

Don't think that it is only men who play games.

QuestionMark · Post by **QuestionMark** » May 3rd, 2014, 8:13 pm

Mainstream america contradicts itself about game. On one hand, they tell you that if you're a man that can't get a date/girlfriend, then you need to learn the game or up your game. But on the other hand, people (both men and women) make PUA's out to be sleazy, disrespectful, and misogynistic. Check out this clip of what was on the news in Toronto a few months back during the holiday season. All the guy is doing is helping regular men figure out the complexities of North American women so that they can get them. But of course women and the media were quick to vilify him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OgTxnMsHhs

I especially like the part when the guy goes "I guess some guys need help". Like he didn't know that or as if it's uncommon.

Enticer · Post by **Enticer** » May 3rd, 2014, 10:08 pm

Women HATE being figured out. I'd never tell a woman i had not landed about my techniques...

PUAs can be sleazy....the same dating techniques work picking up a chick to f**k or meeting a woman for marriage. It even works in business.

Here is one that is spot on...

http://www.tsbmag.com/tips/3-toxic-mistakes/

Enticer · Post by **Enticer** » May 3rd, 2014, 10:47 pm

The video that exposes women's games? I'm not buying it. I would be willing to bet that 90% of women cannot follow those rules as their emotions get in the way!!! It is interesting though and yes, they will pull shit like fake or intentionally get pregnant and so forth...but for them to do the push/pull of availability, i doubt many would. Women select and men pursue...they want an alpha and a real one. So, for them to manipulate someone who isnt already there, is not in their DNA.

But alas...there are some real fruitcakes out there...in all cultures. So, buyer beware...

QuestionMark · Post by **QuestionMark** » May 4th, 2014, 7:47 am

Yeah I was just noting the contradiction. That's why "game" is complex and unnecessary. American women don't like being "figured out"? Guys on here say foreign women aren't this messed up and stupid. "Techniques" to talk to women (other human beings)? Doesn't sound natural.

Post by **jamesbond** » May 4th, 2014, 1:23 pm

These are the types of guys women in America see as "alpha males." These bad boys have the easiest time getting girls in America and as we all know, American women love 'bad boys.'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Zx2uP ... Q&index=15[/youtube]

Enticer · Post by **Enticer** » May 5th, 2014, 1:01 pm

QuestionMark wrote:Yeah I was just noting the contradiction. That's why "game" is complex and unnecessary. American women don't like being "figured out"? Guys on here say foreign women aren't this messed up and stupid. "Techniques" to talk to women (other human beings)? Doesn't sound natural.

I think you misunderstand game for games and game for techniques. You have to always show your value and worth to ANYONE, esp a woman. Therefore, the you must always be in the game. Game isnt fake...its showing your value and figuring her out. Foriegn women are surely easier as they arent near as high maintenance....but with all women, you must show your value and worth. If you arent worth anything to her...why should she bother with you?

Women will normally choose the man with highest value...being in the game showcases these things she needs to see and hear. And yes...there are techniques for talking to people...its called people skills and some people suck at it...

QuestionMark · Post by **QuestionMark** » May 5th, 2014, 9:17 pm

Enticer wrote: I think you misunderstand game for games and game for techniques. You have to always show your value and worth to ANYONE, esp a woman. Therefore, the you must always be in the game. Game isnt fake...its showing your value and figuring her out. Foriegn women are surely easier as they arent near as high maintenance....but with all women, you must show your value and worth. If you arent worth anything to her...why should she bother with you?

Women will normally choose the man with highest value...being in the game showcases these things she needs to see and hear. And yes...there are techniques for talking to people...its called people skills and some people suck at it...

No I don't misunderstand. I was talking about "game" in the PUA/Neil Strauss sense that you seem to be such a big fan of. But for the record, I also have an aversion to women playing games in the relationship also.

I'm not arguing that you don't have to show value and worth to anyone, what I am arguing is how it's done. Game IS fake, superficial, and shallow as hell. Of course you will say its not, because you say you're a date coach. But the fact that this culture puts women on a pedestal and says they can do no wrong, and that men must always pursue them, and pursue them using a bunch of bull$h!t pick up lines and superficial ways of communicating to get the woman he wants is ridiculous.

Plus game is also ridiculous in the sense that it puts everything on the man. It promotes american women's egos and entitlements, and if the man doesn't want to do complex and shallow things for her, then he gets criticized and stigmatized (he has no game).

This whole "game" concept is also childish and immature because it promotes shallow behavior in dating as opposed to being authentic and genuine, and normal. "Game" is not real people skills. Some people are more real, mature, and deep.

If you're a date coach, and you love this stuff, then go hard, but just realize that not everyone is like that or agrees. Even the guys on the roosh forum (which is very pro-game) admit that any society that promotes "game" is in decay and unnatural (not their exact words, but they said something like that.

QuestionMark · Post by **QuestionMark** » May 5th, 2014, 9:30 pm

jamesbond wrote:These are the types of guys women in America see as "alpha males." These bad boys have the easiest time getting girls in America and as we all know, American women love 'bad boys.'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7Zx2uP ... Q&index=15[/youtube]

Alpha males get everything in america. Look at the guys who are on top in pretty much every aspect of life here. Most of em are "alpha". The more "alpha" you are, the more you can "do america".

pandabear · Post by **pandabear** » May 6th, 2014, 6:02 am

droid · Post by **droid** » May 6th, 2014, 7:55 pm

QuestionMark wrote:But the fact that this culture puts women on a pedestal and says they can do no wrong, and that men must always pursue them, and pursue them using a bunch of bull$h!t pick up lines and superficial ways of communicating to get the woman he wants is ridiculous.
Plus game is also ridiculous in the sense that it puts everything on the man. It promotes american women's egos and entitlements, and if the man doesn't want to do complex and shallow things for her, then he gets criticized and stigmatized (he has no game).
This whole "game" concept is also childish and immature because it promotes shallow behavior in dating as opposed to being authentic and genuine, and normal.

Nice, well put.

Yeah, and this "women choose" thing is BS.
Both parties in an agreement chose, by definition. Even in cornered markets