Why Dating Is Ruined In 2022

[Outcast9428]

@WanderingProtagonist

The rest of the world isn't flocking to live in Asia because Asian societies are very strict about their rules and they are notorious for this. Whereas everybody knows that America and Europe are basically throwing candy to everybody and saying "everybody's welcome! Come here! Come here!"

Asian societies on the other hand are much more "you will follow our rules, or else." Japan, after-all, deports thousands of foreigners every year.

Asian societies are a better place to live, but it definitely comes with more of a price so to speak. If you follow the rules in Asia then life is fantastic. But as soon as you break their rules, they almost treat you as subhuman. For people simply looking to take advantage, Asian societies aren't really a good choice. Asian societies are very much designed around collective happiness rather then individual choice.

You will follow our rules or else. lol that explains why they have so many passive males living in Asia too. The rules can be anything set only for the ordinary people to follow while those at the top simply don't have to. I can never live in a strict conformist society that shit would drive me insane especially if the government is doing something and the people are too much of a coward to stand up and do anything. Asia is full of old men obsessed with controlling people.

And I strongly doubt people in Japan are happy, they have the highest level of suicides there, an aging population, brutal work culture, very few men courting any women at all because they fear rejection. You seem to love societies where people have little to no freedom and everything is decided to them by those at the top that believe they are GOD above them. I have no interest in such countries. At least @Lucas88 did leave the country he said he didn't like. Some of you still live here in the States but keep bringing up how perfect Asia is. The only people who talk so much about Japan are anime nerds. Nobody else even gives a shit about that country. If I had a choice I'd rather go to Romania, Asia sounds like one hell of a boring place to live in if you're young. If I was Yohan's age, I could tolerate a strict society, it wouldn't matter to me at that point.

Japan doesn't have the highest level of suicides...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

Yeah I do love societies where people have little to no freedom because I realized most people are just sheep anyway. It doesn't matter if you give people individual freedom or not, because at the end of the day, people conform to what the culture expects them to do. There has never been a culture that isn't like this...

Despite what people think nowadays, liberalism has always prided itself on being about individual freedom. That's why people are allowed to hookup, do drugs, watch sketchy forms of pornography, or cheat on their partners in liberal societies. The truth is though, as soon as liberalism wins, truly wins... What happens is that you are expected to hookup, to never fall in love, to cheat on your partners and do lots of drugs and act like an idiot. What was once a "freedom" becomes a rule/restriction in of itself. You no longer can have a monogamous relationship because the culture considers it to be "pathetic and needy."

This is the way everything goes. First it begins with people saying "I know it isn't morally right, but people should have the FREEDOM to do it anyway." Then that freedom is granted, but people morally judge people who do it, so the next thing people say is "why are you judging people, why can't you let people have the FREEDOM to do whatever they want?" Eventually, people do accept it. Acceptance then turns into "you must do this." First people said "I should have the FREEDOM to hook up with 50 different girls if I WANT TO." Look how quickly that turned into "haha if you can't get bitches and p***y you're a pathetic incel! I can't believe you only want one girl for the rest of your life! Lmao you're such a beta!"

I have begun to hate freedom because all I ever see the flag and banner of "individual freedom" being used for is to normalize sick, degenerate, and immoral shit. We have no more worthy freedoms to fight for. The only freedoms people care about having nowadays is the freedom to watch disgusting porn, sleep with 50 different people, slap their partner during sex, do drugs, commit crimes, and kill their baby in the womb if they forget to wear a condom. That's what the banner of "freedom" stands for nowadays.

All societies are conformist, every single one of them. If I am going to live in a conformist society, I'd like to conform to rules that actually make things better and were written by good people. Rules that make sense, are a good thing. Rules that prevent immoral and degenerate behavior are a good thing.

[castlebasetone]

To answer your question, I was 20 when I left Europe for the first time, ending up in Malaysia among Chinese people, but this did not work out as expected. Later on moved to Japan, now married with a Japanese woman since 45 years, and with 2 daughters and 2 granddaughters and also with a Filipina fosterdaughter, wife and I we are 70, daughters 43 and 40, granddaughters 2 and 5, Filipina fosterdaughter living in Cebu is 27.

After my retirement we moved out of Tokyo to a less busy city, living now a bit outside of central Okayama/Kurashiki between Osaka/Kobe and Hiroshima, not so crowded, but still about 1.2 million people are here.

I never came back to Europe after moving to Japan, but I visit frequently a few Asian countries and I have a second home for holidays/retirement in Thailand.

Wishing you the best for your relocation - to where do you intend to move?

Wow, that's an inspiring story. I intend to check out different locations in Asia as much as possible and see what resonates the most before choosing somewhere to settle. Japan & Korea interest me but they weren't top priority due to higher cost. My first stop is actually Malaysia so wondering what didn't work for you there?

Goals are pretty simple :
1) Low cost of living so I can focus on personal projects that I enjoy
2) Quality women to choose from for a genuine LTR
3) Good weather & nature would be nice

This is coming from 15+ years of living the dream in NYC, but fed up with the ratrace, weather, women, vapid consumer culture etc.

[CaptainSkelebob]

@WanderingProtagonist

The rest of the world isn't flocking to live in Asia because Asian societies are very strict about their rules and they are notorious for this. Whereas everybody knows that America and Europe are basically throwing candy to everybody and saying "everybody's welcome! Come here! Come here!"

Asian societies on the other hand are much more "you will follow our rules, or else." Japan, after-all, deports thousands of foreigners every year.

Asian societies are a better place to live, but it definitely comes with more of a price so to speak. If you follow the rules in Asia then life is fantastic. But as soon as you break their rules, they almost treat you as subhuman. For people simply looking to take advantage, Asian societies aren't really a good choice. Asian societies are very much designed around collective happiness rather then individual choice.

You will follow our rules or else. lol that explains why they have so many passive males living in Asia too. The rules can be anything set only for the ordinary people to follow while those at the top simply don't have to. I can never live in a strict conformist society that shit would drive me insane especially if the government is doing something and the people are too much of a coward to stand up and do anything. Asia is full of old men obsessed with controlling people.

And I strongly doubt people in Japan are happy, they have the highest level of suicides there, an aging population, brutal work culture, very few men courting any women at all because they fear rejection. You seem to love societies where people have little to no freedom and everything is decided to them by those at the top that believe they are GOD above them. I have no interest in such countries. At least @Lucas88 did leave the country he said he didn't like. Some of you still live here in the States but keep bringing up how perfect Asia is. The only people who talk so much about Japan are anime nerds. Nobody else even gives a shit about that country. If I had a choice I'd rather go to Romania, Asia sounds like one hell of a boring place to live in if you're young. If I was Yohan's age, I could tolerate a strict society, it wouldn't matter to me at that point.

Japan doesn't have the highest level of suicides...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

Yeah I do love societies where people have little to no freedom because I realized most people are just sheep anyway. It doesn't matter if you give people individual freedom or not, because at the end of the day, people conform to what the culture expects them to do. There has never been a culture that isn't like this...

Despite what people think nowadays, liberalism has always prided itself on being about individual freedom. That's why people are allowed to hookup, do drugs, watch sketchy forms of pornography, or cheat on their partners in liberal societies. The truth is though, as soon as liberalism wins, truly wins... What happens is that you are expected to hookup, to never fall in love, to cheat on your partners and do lots of drugs and act like an idiot. What was once a "freedom" becomes a rule/restriction in of itself. You no longer can have a monogamous relationship because the culture considers it to be "pathetic and needy."

This is the way everything goes. First it begins with people saying "I know it isn't morally right, but people should have the FREEDOM to do it anyway." Then that freedom is granted, but people morally judge people who do it, so the next thing people say is "why are you judging people, why can't you let people have the FREEDOM to do whatever they want?" Eventually, people do accept it. Acceptance then turns into "you must do this." First people said "I should have the FREEDOM to hook up with 50 different girls if I WANT TO." Look how quickly that turned into "haha if you can't get bitches and p***y you're a pathetic incel! I can't believe you only want one girl for the rest of your life! Lmao you're such a beta!"

I have begun to hate freedom because all I ever see the flag and banner of "individual freedom" being used for is to normalize sick, degenerate, and immoral shit. We have no more worthy freedoms to fight for. The only freedoms people care about having nowadays is the freedom to watch disgusting porn, sleep with 50 different people, slap their partner during sex, do drugs, commit crimes, and kill their baby in the womb if they forget to wear a condom. That's what the banner of "freedom" stands for nowadays.

All societies are conformist, every single one of them. If I am going to live in a conformist society, I'd like to conform to rules that actually make things better and were written by good people. Rules that make sense, are a good thing. Rules that prevent immoral and degenerate behavior are a good thing.

Yeah... ppl are conformist....
Conformity to certain standards is how a society is able to function!!!
Everyone has to tow the line and do their bit...
Someone should explain this to Cornfed if you can get a word in edgeways with him....
Ur 2nd paragraph is wrong!!!
You just made all that up
That isnt how things work fella.
Ppl drink, bang women and take drugs for a good time!!!
If you werent such a stiff then maybe you would be able to wind down and have some fun once in a while
But ofc you support a society with no freedom coz that means little dweebs like you can get big ol daddy state to start dealing out women!!!
Freedom is what our vets fought for and ur here fuckin moaning about it like some vagina p***y!!!
Live and let live fella!!!!
Snort some snuff
Get drunk
Finger some crack whore and sniff ur fingers afterwards!!
No shame in any of it fella

[Lucas88]

You will follow our rules or else. lol that explains why they have so many passive males living in Asia too. The rules can be anything set only for the ordinary people to follow while those at the top simply don't have to. I can never live in a strict conformist society that shit would drive me insane especially if the government is doing something and the people are too much of a coward to stand up and do anything. Asia is full of old men obsessed with controlling people.

And I strongly doubt people in Japan are happy, they have the highest level of suicides there, an aging population, brutal work culture, very few men courting any women at all because they fear rejection. You seem to love societies where people have little to no freedom and everything is decided to them by those at the top that believe they are GOD above them. I have no interest in such countries. At least @Lucas88 did leave the country he said he didn't like. Some of you still live here in the States but keep bringing up how perfect Asia is. The only people who talk so much about living in Japan are anime nerds then they travel there and find out it's nothing like they visualize when they see how isolated the society really is. Nobody else even gives a shit about that country.

If I had a choice I'd rather go to Romania, somewhere that actually looks fun, Asia sounds like one hell of a boring place to live in if you're young because you're surrounded by so many conformist following any and every policy their gov puts out in front of them even if there's something wrong with it. If I was Yohan's age, I could tolerate a strict society, it wouldn't matter to me at that point. I'm fully aware that in America, this is a I don't give a f**k society. It's hard to live here, but I wouldn't trade it for life in Asia. There's a reason why most people who move there are mostly old people looking to retire. But most young people have little to no interest in living in Asia. The young obsessed with Japan only like it because of their anime nerdom. If it weren't for that, they could care less about the damn country.

Dude, your post is right on the money! + 1

Funnily enough, Lucas also left Japan too after more than a year of living there because I simply found the society too suffocatingly conformist and socially alienating and had grown quite tired of life in the country.

During my time in Japan, I learned the language to a high level (I passed JLPT level 1, although in recent years my level of Japanese language proficiency has gone down significantly due to disuse and language attrition) and I lived almost exclusively among Japanese people and other Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.), and I can say that life in Japan really isn't as great as some people like to make out. As you, myself and others have mentioned, Japan has high levels of social alienation, a brutal work culture, a high suicide rate (although not as high as those of South Korea and some of the former Soviet bloc countries), and a major incel problem and epidemic of loneliness. The people who think that Japan is the most awesome country in the world are indeed mostly anime nerds and weabos and curiously most of them have never even lived there or even visited the place. The notion of Japanese society's alleged superiority is just a collective delusion informed by fantasies.

You're right that most people other than anime nerds don't have much interest in Japan. At least that's how it is in my part of Europe. More people here have interest in countries like Spain, Italy, France and Greece and vacation to those places if they have enough money. Some more adventurous people have an interest in Thailand for its sunny beaches, tropical climate, cuisine and ladies. But Japan and other East Asian countries, hardly anybody who I've met gives a shit about them. I haven't met anybody who seriously wants to live there. Most Europeans prefer Europe by far and wouldn't dream of living outside of the continent.

I can't stand excessively conformist societies either. It's just not in my nature to act fake and submit to dozens upon dozens of rules that I don't give a shit about anyway and that were created by assholes who think that they were chosen by god and just want to lord over people like feudal masters. Medieval feudalism, Christian theocracies, Islamic caliphates, Soviet communism, Maoism, Asian-style hyperconformist societies, they all suck! When you live in an open and free-spirited society like Spain or Italy where you can just be yourself and don't have thought tyrants and anal-retentive hyperconformists breathing down your neck, you know that you've got it good! My soul loves and requires freedom and free-spiritedness and is utterly repulsed by any form of thought tyranny or hyperconformity. It's just something that I have at the core of my being.

I value rebelliousness of spirit because it is a trait that just might save us from absolute tyranny in the West. At least in America there are still rebellious libertarian types who are opposed to all of the woke stuff and will fight against the NWO's Great Reset until the very end. I wonder how Asians brought up on hyperconformity and notions of self-sacrifice to the collective will react when the NWO starts really cranking up the woke stuff and attempts to implement the Great Reset there. Just a thought.

[WanderingProtagonist]

You will follow our rules or else. lol that explains why they have so many passive males living in Asia too. The rules can be anything set only for the ordinary people to follow while those at the top simply don't have to. I can never live in a strict conformist society that shit would drive me insane especially if the government is doing something and the people are too much of a coward to stand up and do anything. Asia is full of old men obsessed with controlling people.

And I strongly doubt people in Japan are happy, they have the highest level of suicides there, an aging population, brutal work culture, very few men courting any women at all because they fear rejection. You seem to love societies where people have little to no freedom and everything is decided to them by those at the top that believe they are GOD above them. I have no interest in such countries. At least @Lucas88 did leave the country he said he didn't like. Some of you still live here in the States but keep bringing up how perfect Asia is. The only people who talk so much about living in Japan are anime nerds then they travel there and find out it's nothing like they visualize when they see how isolated the society really is. Nobody else even gives a shit about that country.

If I had a choice I'd rather go to Romania, somewhere that actually looks fun, Asia sounds like one hell of a boring place to live in if you're young because you're surrounded by so many conformist following any and every policy their gov puts out in front of them even if there's something wrong with it. If I was Yohan's age, I could tolerate a strict society, it wouldn't matter to me at that point. I'm fully aware that in America, this is a I don't give a f**k society. It's hard to live here, but I wouldn't trade it for life in Asia. There's a reason why most people who move there are mostly old people looking to retire. But most young people have little to no interest in living in Asia. The young obsessed with Japan only like it because of their anime nerdom. If it weren't for that, they could care less about the damn country.

Dude, your post is right on the money! + 1

Funnily enough, Lucas also left Japan too after more than a year of living there because I simply found the society too suffocatingly conformist and socially alienating and had grown quite tired of life in the country.

During my time in Japan, I learned the language to a high level (I passed JLPT level 1, although in recent years my level of Japanese language proficiency has gone down significantly due to disuse and language attrition) and I lived almost exclusively among Japanese people and other Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.), and I can say that life in Japan really isn't as great as some people like to make out. As you, myself and others have mentioned, Japan has high levels of social alienation, a brutal work culture, a high suicide rate (although not as high as those of South Korea and some of the former Soviet bloc countries), and a major incel problem and epidemic of loneliness. The people who think that Japan is the most awesome country in the world are indeed mostly anime nerds and weabos and curiously most of them have never even lived there or even visited the place. The notion of Japanese society's alleged superiority is just a collective delusion informed by fantasies.

You're right that most people other than anime nerds don't have much interest in Japan. At least that's how it is in my part of Europe. More people here have interest in countries like Spain, Italy, France and Greece and vacation to those places if they have enough money. Some more adventurous people have an interest in Thailand for its sunny beaches, tropical climate, cuisine and ladies. But Japan and other East Asian countries, hardly anybody who I've met gives a shit about them. I haven't met anybody who seriously wants to live there. Most Europeans prefer Europe by far and wouldn't dream of living outside of the continent.

I can't stand excessively conformist societies either. It's just not in my nature to act fake and submit to dozens upon dozens of rules that I don't give a shit about anyway and that were created by assholes who think that they were chosen by god and just want to lord over people like feudal masters. Medieval feudalism, Christian theocracies, Islamic caliphates, Soviet communism, Maoism, Asian-style hyperconformist societies, they all suck! When you live in an open and free-spirited society like Spain or Italy where you can just be yourself and don't have thought tyrants and anal-retentive hyperconformists breathing down your neck, you know that you've got it good! My soul loves and requires freedom and free-spiritedness and is utterly repulsed by any form of thought tyranny or hyperconformity. It's just something that I have at the core of my being.

I value rebelliousness of spirit because it is a trait that just might save us from absolute tyranny in the West. At least in America there are still rebellious libertarian types who are opposed to all of the woke stuff and will fight against the NWO's Great Reset until the very end. I wonder how Asians brought up on hyperconformity and notions of self-sacrifice to the collective will react when the NWO starts really cranking up the woke stuff and attempts to implement the Great Reset there. Just a thought.

Asia won't really do anything if the woke stuff reach them, they are outright terrified to criticize stuff. I notice the Japanese never criticize anything at all. They literately seem like people without views or opinions. The only time they ever speak up about something is when their characters are being white washed in a movie. THEN they'll say something and talk about how it's offensive, etc. Other than that they seem too damn tolerant and criticize stuff in silence.

[Yohan]

Funnily enough, Lucas also left Japan too after more than a year of living there because I simply found the society too suffocatingly conformist and socially alienating and had grown quite tired of life in the country.

I am living in Japan (Tokyo and after retirement in Okayama) since 45 years. Originally from Austria (EU).

During my time in Japan, I learned the language to a high level (I passed JLPT level 1, although in recent years my level of Japanese language proficiency has gone down significantly due to disuse and language attrition) and I lived almost exclusively among Japanese people and other Asians (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.), and I can say that life in Japan really isn't as great as some people like to make out.

It is great that you passed JLPT1 - I think without extensive exercise I will not pass it now, but many years ago I passed various technical exams in Japanese, also passed in a public university Japanese B (basic) and Japanese A (advanced) - it was something like JLPT 5 to 1, which did not exist at that time when I arrived. There was no computer test like now, just a pencil, a paper and a tape-recorder, all had to be written by hand...

Japan might not be as great as some people think about it, but if you compare Japan with all other ASIAN countries around it, it's still the best place in that region. It's relativ, compare Japan with which country in Asia?

Even comparing Japan with USA - At least Japan offers you as a foreigner (if you have a proper visa to live in Japan, except diplomats and tourists) a good health insurance system, a crime-low society and fully functioning public transport - you will not find this for example in USA.

As you, myself and others have mentioned, Japan has high levels of social alienation, a brutal work culture, a high suicide rate (although not as high as those of South Korea and some of the former Soviet bloc countries), and a major incel problem and epidemic of loneliness.
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You're right that most people other than anime nerds don't have much interest in Japan. At least that's how it is in my part of Europe......

This is true, Japanese people are not very communicative, not only against foreigners, but also among themselves.

Living in Japan permanently as a foreigner, you need to have a family - all these few people from my own native country (Austria, EU) who decided to live in Japan have Japanese family and found in Japan a regular job with reasonable income (often related to foreign companies) and also own their home and do not pay rent and are able to speak and read Japanese (otherwise you will feel to be an illiterate)

About 'brutal working culture' - in my case it was indeed a very irregular working time, I never could plan anything in advance - but working with an European related contract, I had in return as compensation not only fully paid overtime, but also the right for 6 full weeks paid vacation - so I could leave Japan 2 times a year for 3 weeks to another country - if you live as a foreigner in Japan, you have to get out of Japan from time to time.
I have another second home for holidays and now for retirement in Thailand, and sometimes I also visit Philippines, Malaysia, Cambodia etc. but I never came back to Europe.

About being interested in Japan, most foreigners living here are from nearby Asia - Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and also Brazil-Japanese, Vietnamese...
You might add some US-military servicemen, but almost all of them are coming and leaving. The few people from Europe (like I myself) or from elsewhere who stay in Japan are a tiny group only.

Foreigners are mostly living in the large cities in Japan, same with me before, because where can you earn money for your daily life?

But Japan is not only the life in the big cities, which is often really difficult, with high rent, small rooms, crowded wherever you go, no nice green area nearby to relax, lot of traffic (but is this so much different from other Asian large cities?)
Most foreigners were never living anywhere else in Japan and think, all Japan is like Tokyo....

However after retirement we were moving out to a smaller city, and our home is outside of the city center - plenty of space, no parking problems, I have 2 cars and also a motorcycle, nice view to river and forests and hills and not far away from the sea... Very different from Tokyo.
Real estate prices are about 1/3 or 1/4 or even less compared to Tokyo, but of course, there is no job here for a foreigner, you need an income from somewhere else, like in my case, a good retirement allowance.

a major incel problem and epidemic of loneliness

This is true, it was not always like that, and in Japan it is mostly a problem for the male population of any age, not only for young men.

The dating scene in Japan is not hateful or mistrusting - it cannot be compared with USA or UK. However there is now clearly a gender imbalance with more women in the large cities, with more men in the small cities and with almost no young women in rural areas.

The gender imbalance is not so bad if compared with China or India, but as far as I can see among young people (20 to 40 or so) it is around 15 %.
You can look for a foreign wife, and in Japan now there are many more Japanese men married with a foreign wife (usually from China, Korea, Philippines etc.) than Japanese women married with a foreign husband, outnumber them more than 2 vs. 1.

[MrPeabody]

Wow, that video was awesome. She gave the unvarnished truth in a clear and simple way.

[Outcast9428]

@Yohan

I notice that Japanese incels don't have the hatred and resentment towards women that Western incels do. I think this is because the Japanese incels don't feel that their women hate them the way Western incels do. Japanese incels just seem to be incredibly unmotivated people. I mean, dating in Japan is so easy. They literally have dating parties where there's an even number of men and women who get together as well as affordable matchmaking services. It seems incredibly normal in Japan to get set up with people through friends, co-workers, and family. There are very few countries on Earth where it is easier to date for shy people then it is in Japan. Another huge factor is that the girls there are all beautiful and much more girly/feminine. And they want to be married and in long term monogamous relationships more then Western women do. So Japanese men have way way more options then men in the West do. A lot of Japanese girls even approach guys themselves and it’s not uncommon there. I feel like with Japan, as long as you just put in a little bit of effort you can find a girlfriend. I honestly don't understand how anybody can be an incel in Japan.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Yohan

I notice that Japanese incels don't have the hatred and resentment towards women that Western incels do. I think this is because the Japanese incels don't feel that their women hate them the way Western incels do. Japanese incels just seem to be incredibly unmotivated people. I mean, dating in Japan is so easy. They literally have dating parties where there's an even number of men and women who get together as well as affordable matchmaking services. It seems incredibly normal in Japan to get set up with people through friends, co-workers, and family. There are very few countries on Earth where it is easier to date for shy people then it is in Japan. Another huge factor is that the girls there are all beautiful and much more girly/feminine. And they want to be married and in long term monogamous relationships more then Western women do. So Japanese men have way way more options then men in the West do. A lot of Japanese girls even approach guys themselves and it’s not uncommon there. I feel like with Japan, as long as you just put in a little bit of effort you can find a girlfriend. I honestly don't understand how anybody can be an incel in Japan.

They would feel that way if their women was doing the same shit white women were doing to white men. Look how many white girls in the West f**k around with blk men just to shove it in their own men face because white males are shown as being less in control and now you got white women even flocking to Muslim countries converting to Islam due to how much hate they have for their own race and men. White women are hardcore race traitors in the West so much so they are obsessed with murdering their own unborn.

If Japanese women were doing this on a large scale, Japanese males wouldn't bottle that up they would explode. People in Asia aren't expressive to begin with about their feelings, they tend to keep a lot to themselves because they don't want to be judged for complaining or being negative if their life is shit or they feel lonely.
Wintson talked about how taboo complaining is in the West, but it's even more taboo in certain Asian societies which is why you have so many Filipinos/Filipina's claiming "I'm so happy, I never get upset." And they all literately do this too, fake their happiness because they are afraid if someone knows how they really feel it will make them look bad. To them it's better to pretend you're content with your life and always happy even when they know times are rough.

That's the only reason you don't see Japanese incels showing what they really feel is because they don't want to feel ashamed if they are out openly expressing how they feel. I'm sure deep down they want to complain but fear of being called out on it is why they don't do it. Another thing is that not every girl in Japan is "attractive" Shyness isn't an attractive trait when you're aiming for women above your own league. It's probably easy to get a less attractive girlfriend in Japan who is shunned and overlooked by men unlike in the U.S. where even less attractive women can afford to overlook men.

Less attractive women abroad probably don't have that option because they don't get hounded for p***y by desperate mutha fuckers like how it is in the West where even some 300 pound female can reject you thinking she's entitled to a hyper attractive man above her own league. Japanese incels want women who are also out of their league like the women they see on billboards, idol looking type women. And those women aren't "easy" to get either just because you think they are less "westernized." These men don't want some Japanese girl working in a library or some average Japanese girl working the register in McDonalds selling garbage Western food, they want an idol honey and they know it's unattainable unless they were a certain type of man.

There use to be an Incel website and the Asian males would call themselves Ricecels Indian Incels went by Curicell or something along those lines. Believe me, they did plenty of complaining about women on that site it wasn't just Western incels. They did it because they were in the company of white incels that didn't judge them for it. They had a huge community of men they could relate to that understood what they were going through and there was zero shaming among them. Noway in hell they were going to do this openly among those in their own society. Within that incel community they had support, something they wouldn't get from the public if they were fussing about being unappealing to women. Incels in the West will complain about their women because they don't give a damn if you judge them for complaining. In Asian societies, complaining is a taboo and most of them simply don't do it that's another reason why they are conformist, if you have a problem with something it requires speaking up and taking action to make yourself heard. That's not something a lot of Asians are capable of doing other than the activist types.

[Outcast9428]

@Yohan

I notice that Japanese incels don't have the hatred and resentment towards women that Western incels do. I think this is because the Japanese incels don't feel that their women hate them the way Western incels do. Japanese incels just seem to be incredibly unmotivated people. I mean, dating in Japan is so easy. They literally have dating parties where there's an even number of men and women who get together as well as affordable matchmaking services. It seems incredibly normal in Japan to get set up with people through friends, co-workers, and family. There are very few countries on Earth where it is easier to date for shy people then it is in Japan. Another huge factor is that the girls there are all beautiful and much more girly/feminine. And they want to be married and in long term monogamous relationships more then Western women do. So Japanese men have way way more options then men in the West do. A lot of Japanese girls even approach guys themselves and it’s not uncommon there. I feel like with Japan, as long as you just put in a little bit of effort you can find a girlfriend. I honestly don't understand how anybody can be an incel in Japan.

They would feel that way if their women was doing the same shit white women were doing to white men. Look how many white girls in the West f**k around with blk men just to shove it in their own race face because white males are shown as being less in control and now you got white women even flocking to Muslim countries converting to Islam due to how much hate they have for their own race and men. White women are hardcore race traitors in the West so much so they are obsessed with murdering their own unborn.

If Japanese women were doing this on a large scale, Japanese males wouldn't bottle that up they would explode. People in Asia aren't expressive to begin with about their feelings, they tend to keep a lot of shit to themselves because they don't want to be judged for complaining or being negative if their life is shit or they feel lonely.

Wintson talked about how taboo complaining is in the West, but it's even more taboo in certain Asian societies which is why you have so many Filipinos/Filipina's claiming "I'm so happy, I never get upset." And they all literately do this too, fake their happiness because they are afraid if someone knows how they really feel it will make them look bad. To them it's better to pretend you're content with your life and always happy even when they know times are rough.

That's the only reason you don't see Japanese incels showing what they really feel is because they don't want to feel ashamed if they are out openly expressing how they feel. I'm sure deep down they want to complain but fear of being called out on it is why they don't do it. Another thing is that not every girl in Japan is "attractive" I don't understand why you think Oriental women are so perfect just because you're obsessed with them. Shyness isn't an attractive trait when you're aiming for women above your own league. It's probably easy to get a less attractive girlfriend in Japan who is shunned and overlooked by men unlike in the U.S. where even less attractive women can afford to overlook men.

Less attractive women abroad probably don't have that option because they don't get hounded for p***y by desperate mutha fuckers like how it is in the West where even some 300 pound female can reject you thinking she's entitled to a hyper attractive man above her own league. Japanese incels want women who are also their league like the women they see on billboards, idol looking type women. And those women aren't "easy" to get either just because you think they are less "westernized." These men don't want some Japanese girl working in a library or some average Japanese girl working the register in McDonalds selling garbage Western food, they want an idol honey and they know it's unattainable unless they were a certain type of man.

There use to be an Incel website and the Asian males would call themselves Ricecels Indian Incels went by Curicell or something along those lines. Believe me, they did plenty of complaining about women on that site it wasnt just Western incels. They did it because they were in the company of white incels that didn't judge them for it. They had a huge community of men they could relate to that understood what they were going through and there was zero shaming among them. Noway in hell they were going to do this openly among those in their own society. Within that incel community they had support, something they wouldn't get from the public if they were fussing about being unappealing to women. Incels in the West will complain about their women because they don't give a damn if you judge them for complaining. In Asian societies, complaining is a taboo and most of them simply don't do it that's another reason why they are conformist, if you have a problem with something it requires speaking up and taking action to make yourself heard. That's not something a lot of Asians are capable of doing other than the activist types.

If somebody lives in the West I completely understand. I understand the anger and why they are resentful and bitter. I don’t judge Western incels because it’s a completely understandable situation in their case.

But for Japanese incels, I really don’t get it. I mean it sounds to me like you’re saying they are pining for idol girls and generally girls who are well above their league instead of going for a girl who’s realistic. Why can’t they date the girl who works at McDonalds?

To be honest, I just don’t feel like Japanese incels have anywhere near as much of an excuse as Western incels do. Japan does not have a hookup culture so you can pretty much count on girls prioritizing long term relationships and not just seeking NSA sex, the girls in Japan also overwhelmingly want to be married (some 90% of them at least say they want to be), Japan is really big about matchmaking instead of approaching, there’s all sorts of matchmaking methods you can go through whether it’s dating parties, friends and family, or hiring a professional matchmaker (who are much more affordable in Japan then they are here). And yes, the girls are much much more attractive on an objective level then girls in the West are. I didn’t mean that literally every single Japanese girl is beautiful but most of them are. I mean Japanese guys honestly have even better options then American men in the 1950s did.

I mean I went on a date with a Japanese girl back in college who was a foreign exchange student. She just walked up to me, got my phone number and asked me out. I even asked a Japanese guy on the internet once if stuff like that was normal in Japan and he said it wasn’t uncommon. That guys still did it more then girls did but it wasn’t uncommon for girls to do that.

Not to mention the fact that Japan barely has any feminists. I saw a video of a guy asking girls in Tokyo about feminism and they literally didn’t even know what it was, they thought it was a word for lesbians.

So how the hell is anybody an incel in Japan?

[Cornfed]

But for Japanese incels, I really don’t get it.

It is quite simple. The social contract is that they get a job where they have a stable income and position of respect in society and in return a female of similar quality marries them and they can rent whores on the side. The problem is that they are missing the part about such jobs being available, so their romantic relationships are a non-starter.

[Outcast9428]

But for Japanese incels, I really don’t get it.

It is quite simple. The social contract is that they get a job where they have a stable income and position of respect in society and in return a female of similar quality marries them and they can rent whores on the side. The problem is that they are not missing the part about such jobs being available, so their romantic relationships are a non-starter.

Not sure if I quite understood that last sentence. Are you saying they are not able to get jobs?

[Cornfed]

Not sure if I quite understood that last sentence. Are you saying they are not able to get jobs?

Oops, edited to remove the word "not". Yes, they don't have the type of jobs that would traditionally allow them to get females.

[Outcast9428]

Not sure if I quite understood that last sentence. Are you saying they are not able to get jobs?

Oops, edited to remove the word "not". Yes, they don't have the type of jobs that would traditionally allow them to get females.

So you would argue it’s mainly an economic situation in Japan rather then a social problem?

[Cornfed]

Not sure if I quite understood that last sentence. Are you saying they are not able to get jobs?

Oops, edited to remove the word "not". Yes, they don't have the type of jobs that would traditionally allow them to get females.

So you would argue it’s mainly an economic situation in Japan rather then a social problem?

It doesn't make sense to separate the economic and social situation. Same in the West.